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my first fly
today I realized my first fly :)
http://snipurl.com/firstfly I know It sucks, but I'm proud :) I tried to realize just taking ideas from other flies, I didn't read anything about fly realizing yet, so please don't kill me :) the only thing is that it is a little too much unbalanced, it sinks down too much with the head, I'd like it could go down less vertically. I would stop during the flipping action sometimes and during these stops I'd like it goes down to the bottom as a natural insect (I really don't know how a natural insect sinks). any suggestion? -- ciao Vittorix |
"Vittorix" wrote in message ... today I realized my first fly :) http://snipurl.com/firstfly I know It sucks... Well, if it's supposed to be an Adams or an Elk Hair Caddis, yeah, it sucks. Otherwise...... any suggestion? Ask the fish. :) Wolfgang |
Wolfgang wrote:
I know It sucks... Well, if it's supposed to be an Adams or an Elk Hair Caddis, yeah, it sucks. Otherwise...... no, it's just a my fantasy creation :) any suggestion? Ask the fish. :) Great! -- ciao Vittorix |
"Vittorix" wrote in message ... Wolfgang wrote: I know It sucks... Well, if it's supposed to be an Adams or an Elk Hair Caddis, yeah, it sucks. Otherwise...... no, it's just a my fantasy creation :) any suggestion? Ask the fish. :) Great! In all seriousness, the only way to know whether or not a fly will be effective is to try it. The fact that your creation nosedives shouldn't cause you any concern unless you're looking for a particular action for a specific situation. Many very effective flies are designed to do exactly what yours does.....an up and down darting movement is characteristic of lots of bait fish and other piscine delicacies. Give yours a try in an actual fishing situation.....it might surprise you. Good luck. Wolfgang |
Wolfgang wrote:
I know It sucks... Well, if it's supposed to be an Adams or an Elk Hair Caddis, yeah, it sucks. Otherwise...... no, it's just a my fantasy creation :) any suggestion? Ask the fish. :) Great! In all seriousness infact, I was serious too, only results can tell the best and decisive answer if it works or not The fact that your creation nosedives shouldn't cause you any concern unless you're looking for a particular action for a specific situation. Many very effective flies are designed to do exactly what yours does.....an up and down darting movement is characteristic of lots of bait fish and other piscine delicacies. Give yours a try in an actual fishing situation.....it might surprise you. Good luck. thanks a lot. I would know how a dead big fly would sink and I think it's a huge argument about sinking flies (instead of floating ones), am I right? fly fishing it's the only fishing I didn't tried and I think I'll appasionate very badly, I'm ordering a float tube (Creek ODC 420) and when I'll have enough money I'll buy a fly rod. they're so expensive! 600$! I saw a 69$ fly rod and tried to find differences with the good one and it's too soft, do you think I should start from that or I have to wait when I can afford a good one? -- ciao Vittorix |
"Vittorix" wrote in message
... Wolfgang wrote: I know It sucks... Well, if it's supposed to be an Adams or an Elk Hair Caddis, yeah, it sucks. Otherwise...... no, it's just a my fantasy creation :) any suggestion? Ask the fish. :) Great! In all seriousness infact, I was serious too, only results can tell the best and decisive answer if it works or not The fact that your creation nosedives shouldn't cause you any concern unless you're looking for a particular action for a specific situation. Many very effective flies are designed to do exactly what yours does.....an up and down darting movement is characteristic of lots of bait fish and other piscine delicacies. Give yours a try in an actual fishing situation.....it might surprise you. Good luck. thanks a lot. I would know how a dead big fly would sink and I think it's a huge argument about sinking flies (instead of floating ones), am I right? fly fishing it's the only fishing I didn't tried and I think I'll appasionate very badly, I'm ordering a float tube (Creek ODC 420) and when I'll have enough money I'll buy a fly rod. they're so expensive! 600$! I saw a 69$ fly rod and tried to find differences with the good one and it's too soft, do you think I should start from that or I have to wait when I can afford a good one? -- ciao Vittorix As I mentioned in another group, I am not a fly fisherman. I do own a few fly rods. (cheap ones) They work. I am sure that a dedicated fly angler can give you reasons why a very expensive fly rod is ideal for different circumstances. I can tell you exactly why I like certain spinning or casting rods for particular applications. I can also catch fish on a snoopy rod. I think if you become a dedicated hard corps fly angler you to will desire to own some very high end equipment, but... all that being said, you will find that there is some very fishable mid price stuff out there. I think you might be better served by determining what fish you are likely to catch in the area you wish to fly fish and what rod power, length, and action would best suit those applications. Then you can look for a rod you can afford that fits that application. It might sound like I am saying a cheap rod is as good as an expensive one. I am absolutely not saying that. I am saying that if you know or take the time to learn what characteristics you need in a rod for your application you may be able to find one that will do the job adequately for a reasonable middle of the road price. In bass fishing (spinning and casting) I can tell you that G.Loomis is arguably one of the best manufacturers of rods, but I can also tell you that for a fraction of the price I own a number of Lamiglass and St Croix (premier line) rods that do a very very good job for what I use them for. I have one fly rod that cost about $40 dollars that does a fantastic job for small stream trout in the 8-12" range. Would I use it for hunting trophy steelhead or Salmon. Not a chance. It isn't suitable for the job. Would a more expensive rod do a better job. Probably for a better fly angler, but I doubt I would catch one more fish with it myself. I just don't have those skills. Would it benefit me if I fly fished primarily and my hands had the experience to tell the difference. Probably. So (Egad, I hate doing this, LOL) in conclusion. Go buy a moderate priced fly rod suitable in weight, length and action for your application and go fishing with it. If you really like fly fishing you will eventually want to upgrade to something better. If not then you will still have had the experience to relive and enjoy. -- Bob La Londe www.YumaBassMan.com |
Bob La Londe wrote:
I think if you become a dedicated hard corps fly angler you to will desire to own some very high end equipment, but... all that being said, you will find that there is some very fishable mid price stuff out there. I think you might be better served by determining what fish you are likely to catch in the area you wish to fly fish and what rod power, length, and action would best suit those applications. Then you can look for a rod you can afford that fits that application. It might sound like I am saying a cheap rod is as good as an expensive one. I am absolutely not saying that. I am saying that if you know or take the time to learn what characteristics you need in a rod for your application you may be able to find one that will do the job adequately for a reasonable middle of the road price. I completely agree with you, dear BLB, I other fishing techniques I know quite well, first things are 1) sense of the water 2) knowing fishes habits 3) presentation ecc.. and the rod is not that important if you have all those caracteristics. but I thought in fly fishing could be more important the rod 'cause you have to manage for hours up your head and maibe a mediocre rod won't cast so far as a good one. I wait an expert fly fisherman answer for this question. In bass fishing (spinning and casting) I can tell you that G.Loomis is arguably one of the best manufacturers of rods, but I can also tell you that for a fraction of the price I own a number of Lamiglass and St Croix (premier line) rods that do a very very good job for what I use them for. I know Gloomis and St. Croux but I don't find so much difference in using chosen Abu Barcia, Shakespeare and Shimano rod for bass fishing with success. So (Egad, I hate doing this, LOL) in conclusion. Go buy a moderate priced fly rod suitable in weight, length and action for your application and go fishing with it. If you really like fly fishing you will eventually want to upgrade to something better. I know myself and I'll love fly fishing. I didn't 'til now for some reasons (costs and places where I'm from). there is a problem somebody says about starting with economic stuff in fly fishing: maybe I could learn some defect in casting technique that should be hard to remove later. I don't know -- ciao Vittorix |
Vittorix wrote:
I would know how a dead big fly would sink and I think it's a huge argument about sinking flies (instead of floating ones), am I right? fly fishing it's the only fishing I didn't tried and I think I'll appasionate very badly, I'm ordering a float tube (Creek ODC 420) and when I'll have enough money I'll buy a fly rod. they're so expensive! 600$! I saw a 69$ fly rod and tried to find differences with the good one and it's too soft, do you think I should start from that or I have to wait when I can afford a good one? Ciao, Vittorix. $600 US is a lot to pay for a first fly rod. There are some good rods that are not too expensive, but without knowing the brand and model you're thinking about, it's hard to give advice. Look here http://www.pipam.com/pipam/MERCATINO/#Vendo to see if you can find a nice inexpensive used rod and reel. (If it's primarily for trout fishing there in Italy, look for a medium-fast action rod, 8.5 or 9 foot, 4 or 5 weight.) Buona fortuna...... JR |
"Vittorix" wrote in message ... I completely agree with you, dear BLB, Oh, please its rude to abbreviate when not everybody will know what it means. LOL. I know Gloomis and St. Croux but I don't find so much difference in using chosen Abu Barcia, Shakespeare and Shimano rod for bass fishing with success. True, but I bass fish (spinning and casting) very seriously, and I can tell a lot of differences. For instance. I like to pitch light baits which is a very arm, wrist, and elbow intensive activity. Something as simple as a few grams difference in weight or balance can mean the difference after an 8+ hour tournament between having an arm like a wet knoodle and and being able to go back out on the water the next day and do it again. If I didn't have the expereince and didn't hammer it for hours on end I would not be able to tell the difference, and on any given cast I doubt it makes any difference in my catch rate. Over the course of a day it can make a huge differnce in my arm, number of cast, accuracy as the day wears on, etc... So (Egad, I hate doing this, LOL) in conclusion. Go buy a moderate priced fly rod suitable in weight, length and action for your application and go fishing with it. If you really like fly fishing you will eventually want to upgrade to something better. I know myself and I'll love fly fishing. That is good. Abit premature IMO since you say you are brand new to it, but its always good to have a clear definition of your passions. I didn't 'til now for some reasons (costs and places where I'm from). there is a problem somebody says about starting with economic stuff in fly fishing: maybe I could learn some defect in casting technique that should be hard to remove later. I had not thought of that, but unless you get really crappy junk I don't think so. If you really believe that is a possibility you might instead spring for the cash for a fly fishing clinic to teach you the basics. Personally I think more bad habits are likely to arise from being self taught than from medium vs high price equipment. At the very least go out and purchase some fly fishing videos so you can see what it looks like when and experienced fly angler does it right. I don't know Fair enough. P.S. I thought you said you weren't going to respond to any more of my posts LOL. -- Bob La Londe www.YumaBassMan.com |
JR wrote:
Ciao, Vittorix ciao! I like you used Ciao :) $600 US is a lot to pay for a first fly rod. There are some good rods that are not too expensive, but without knowing the brand and model you're thinking about, it's hard to give advice. I've a Orvis shop down my house that sells a Orvis rod on sale for 69$ (original 89$) think could be positive to start? http://www.pipam.com/pipam/MERCATINO/#Vendo thanks but I live in Chicago downtown, Italy is too far away from me now :-( (how much I miss the sea ....) Buona fortuna...... grazie altrettanto a te! how do you know so much Italian? :) -- ciao Vittorix |
JR wrote:
... (If it's primarily for trout fishing there in Italy, look for a medium-fast action rod, 8.5 or 9 foot, 4 or 5 weight.) Poor Vittorix is in Chicago. From what I can tell by his posts here and in some of the other fishing groups he hasn't really decided, or doesn't have enough info yet to decide, which species he wants to target. Chicago could mean anything from bluegill to salmon and most everything in between. If I were to give him fly fishing advice, I'd say MOVE. ;-) -- Ken Fortenberry |
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
... JR wrote: ... (If it's primarily for trout fishing there in Italy, look for a medium-fast action rod, 8.5 or 9 foot, 4 or 5 weight.) Poor Vittorix is in Chicago. From what I can tell by his posts here and in some of the other fishing groups he hasn't really decided, or doesn't have enough info yet to decide, which species he wants to target. Chicago could mean anything from bluegill to salmon and most everything in between. If I were to give him fly fishing advice, I'd say MOVE. ;-) Ken, Aren't you in that region these days? Why not offer to give our poor friend some lessons on the water? -- Bob La Londe www.YumaBassMan.com |
Vittorix wrote:
thanks but I live in Chicago downtown, Italy is too far away from me now :-( Whoops. It was the libero.it email address that derailed me.... (how much I miss the sea ....) Where are you from? grazie altrettanto a te! how do you know so much Italian? :) I lived in Rome for a couple of years. "So much", though, grossly exaggerates my competence. ;) About the set-up, since you're in the U.S., perhaps you could go to http://www.ezflyfish.com/index.html and look at the 4-piece Sage Launch rods (very decent rods for the price, good beginner's rods). The proprietor of the site is a ROFF old-timer and highly reputable. BTW, that's an interesting fly you designed there. Appears better suited for sal****er maybe than for the Mid-West. Sort of a psychedelic shrimp pattern. :-) As Wolfgang said, you'll only know its effectiveness, though, by testing it. What size hook did you tie it on? JR |
Bob La Londe wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote: Poor Vittorix is in Chicago. snip If I were to give him fly fishing advice, I'd say MOVE. ;-) Ken, Aren't you in that region these days? ... I'm 150 miles south of Chicago in Urbana. -- Ken Fortenberry |
JR wrote:
thanks but I live in Chicago downtown, Italy is too far away from me now :-( Whoops. It was the libero.it email address that derailed me.... it's my historical about 6yo mail I still use :) (how much I miss the sea ....) Where are you from? Palermo, Sicily. I grow on the wonderful Mondello beach.. About the set-up, since you're in the U.S., perhaps you could go to http://www.ezflyfish.com/index.html and look at the 4-piece Sage Launch rods (very decent rods for the price, good beginner's rods) 195$ too much for me for now :\ The proprietor of the site is a ROFF old-timer and highly reputable. which is his nickname? BTW, that's an interesting fly you designed there. Appears better suited for sal****er maybe than for the Mid-West. Sort of a psychedelic shrimp pattern. :-) good to try where there are river shrimps too, not? what colors/contrasts would you suggest for Vermillion river (Illinois)? or generical Mid-West rivers and lakes. As Wolfgang said, you'll only know its effectiveness, though, by testing it. What size hook did you tie it on? it's a light black 1/0 aberdeen. it is straight (not off set hook) -- ciao Vittorix |
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
If I were to give him fly fishing advice, I'd say MOVE. ;-) I know Illinois it's not the best for the nature, but I have a car and I can MOVE about 100miles around Chicago :) -- ciao Vittorix |
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Aren't you in that region these days? ... I'm 150 miles south of Chicago in Urbana. and tomorrow I leave 3 days for Las Vegas :) if you come closer, let me know -- ciao Vittorix |
"Vittorix" wrote in message ... ...I would know how a dead big fly would sink and I think it's a huge argument about sinking flies (instead of floating ones), am I right? The word "fly" is misleading. Fishing flies are designed to represent all manner of creatures, everything from "true" flies in the taxonomic sense (the diptera) through the big three of trout stream aquatic insects, the mayflies (ephemeroptera), the caddis flies (tricoptera) and stoneflies (plecoptera) in all the stages of their life cycles, and on to bait fish (including immatures of many a game species), crayfish, shrimp, crabs, worms.....even mice and baby ducks. There are indeed arguments about what flies work best in which situations, and even some about whether or not one should use various styles and whether or not some are rightly judged as flies at all. You can safely ignore ALL of those arguments. Advice is usually worth listening to.....and you can get tons of it here for free.....but you get to decide for yourself what you want to use. fly fishing it's the only fishing I didn't tried and I think I'll appasionate very badly, I'm ordering a float tube (Creek ODC 420) and when I'll have enough money I'll buy a fly rod. they're so expensive! 600$! I saw a 69$ fly rod and tried to find differences with the good one and it's too soft, do you think I should start from that or I have to wait when I can afford a good one? A $69 rod is not necessarily going to be soft, nor a $600 rod fast. In short, price is not at all a good indicator of a rod's action. The conventional wisdom is that more money will buy greater quality, regardless of desired characteristics. Generally, this tends toward truth, but the exceptions are so numerous as to make the observation nearly worthless. There are many rods in the low to mid range that are every bit as good as many very expensive ones in terms of performance and often enough even in cosmetics, durability, and whatever other traits might interest you. This topic comes up here frequently. You'll get no end of opposed opinions on which rods (and other pieces of equipment) are superior and why. Unfortunately, there is simply no substitute for trying various combinations to see what you like. Obviously, trying many is simply out of the question for a beginner on his own. Your best bet is to get together with experienced fly fishers and try as many rigs as possible before making up your mind about what to buy. Barring this, it only makes sense to start out relatively cheap (you may decide you hate fly fishing regardless of your equipments' performance) and then work your way up as you gain experience of your own and input from others you meet along the way.....unless you have more money than you know how to deal with sensibly. Once again, good luck. Wolfgang |
"Vittorix" wrote in :
I would know how a dead big fly would sink and I think it's a huge argument about sinking flies (instead of floating ones), am I right? Only if you don't like catching fish! -- Scott Reverse name to reply |
"Vittorix" wrote in message ... The proprietor of the site is a ROFF old-timer and highly reputable. which is his nickname? ciao Vittorix Go to this website: http://css.sbcma.com/timj/roffpics/Willi_roff_folks/ The 13th pic from the bottom and the fine "old-timer" is the guy with the blackeye and abrasions. I haven't a clue who the other fellow is? Mark --aka Op, Opie, GUYZ-N-FLYZ, beausdad, bearsbuddy-- |
Guyz-N-Flyz wrote:
The proprietor of the site is a ROFF old-timer and highly reputable. which is his nickname? Go to this website: http://css.sbcma.com/timj/roffpics/Willi_roff_folks/ The 13th pic from the bottom and the fine "old-timer" is the guy with the blackeye and abrasions. I think he fighted with a bear for a salmon there :) I haven't a clue who the other fellow is? and Waldo sprinkled you with beer after sending ko the bear :) -- ciao Vittorix |
Scott Seidman wrote:
I would know how a dead big fly would sink and I think it's a huge argument about sinking flies (instead of floating ones), am I right? Only if you don't like catching fish! ?! can you explain? -- ciao Vittorix |
"Vittorix" wrote in :
Scott Seidman wrote: I would know how a dead big fly would sink and I think it's a huge argument about sinking flies (instead of floating ones), am I right? Only if you don't like catching fish! ?! can you explain? Subsurface flies provide more fishing opportunities than dry flies. Fish are eating underwater more than they eat on top of the water. -- Scott Reverse name to reply |
"Vittorix" wrote in message ... Guyz-N-Flyz wrote: The proprietor of the site is a ROFF old-timer and highly reputable. which is his nickname? Go to this website: http://css.sbcma.com/timj/roffpics/Willi_roff_folks/ The 13th pic from the bottom and the fine "old-timer" is the guy with the blackeye and abrasions. I think he fighted with a bear for a salmon there :) hilarious, and *so* innocent. wayno I haven't a clue who the other fellow is? and Waldo sprinkled you with beer after sending ko the bear :) -- ciao Vittorix |
Vittorix wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: I'm 150 miles south of Chicago in Urbana. and tomorrow I leave 3 days for Las Vegas :) if you come closer, let me know Chicago isn't one of my fishing destinations. Apparently you have heard of the Vermillion River system. That's a lot closer to me than it is to you. I don't know if I'd be comfortable fishing with an international luminary such as yourself who consorts with world champions and knows it all but if you ever get down towards Urbana let me know and I'll be glad to tell you where to go. -- Ken Fortenberry |
"Vittorix" wrote in message ... Ken Fortenberry wrote: If I were to give him fly fishing advice, I'd say MOVE. ;-) I know Illinois it's not the best for the nature, but I have a car and I can MOVE about 100miles around Chicago :) -- ciao Vittorix Kankakee River (south on I57 or I55), Dupage River (west of the city), Desplaines River (also west from Wisconsin to about Lockport), Fox River (far west), Various Cook County, Dupage County and Will County Forest Preserves, the lakefront in the city (lots of access points), Illinois River (starts in Channahon just south of I80 and I55), Fox Chain of Lakes (NW of city), awe hell...Get a map! Mark |
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message ... Vittorix wrote: Ken Fortenberry wrote: I'm 150 miles south of Chicago in Urbana. and tomorrow I leave 3 days for Las Vegas :) if you come closer, let me know Chicago isn't one of my fishing destinations. Apparently you have heard of the Vermillion River system. That's a lot closer to me than it is to you. I don't know if I'd be comfortable fishing with an international luminary such as yourself who consorts with world champions and knows it all but if you ever get down towards Urbana let me know and I'll be glad to tell you where to go. Wow.....you are SUCH a piece of ****. Wolfgang |
"Wolfgang" wrote in message ... Wow.....you are SUCH a piece of ****. Wolfgang Yes, but all but Vittorix already knew that fact! 'bout time some one filled him in! Mark |
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
I'm 150 miles south of Chicago in Urbana. and tomorrow I leave 3 days for Las Vegas :) if you come closer, let me know Chicago isn't one of my fishing destinations. Apparently you have heard of the Vermillion River system. That's a lot closer to me than it is to you. I went to Vermillion River 3 times and it's 'til now my favourite spot! (meaning that I don't know so many others). probably I'l go there the following weekend. I also went in 2 lakes where there are lots of catfishes and striper basses, but they are kind of artificial lakes, I don't go crazy for them. I prefer the natural environment and now I'm buying a belly boat.. I don't know if I'd be comfortable fishing with an international luminary such as yourself who consorts with world champions don't worry, I still concede audience to normal people ;-))) I met 3 world champions in surfcasting (fishing from the sea beaches) that tought me a lot of things, nothing to do with freshwater, where I'm absolutely an enthusiastic learner :-) I know some spinning and I fish quite well on the bottom and with live bait. I know well the 'english and bolognese fishing' made with italian and english bobbers in finesse. but I don't know anything of fly fishing, and the first person that will teach me, I'll follow him and his hints like a baby goose follows mama duck. and knows it all but if you ever get down towards Urbana let me know and I'll be glad to tell you where to go. how do you judge Illinois? do you know spots not overfished close to Chicago? -- ciao Vittorix |
"Vittorix" wrote how do you judge Illinois? gently. wayno |
Mark W. Oots wrote:
I know Illinois it's not the best for the nature, but I have a car and I can MOVE about 100miles around Chicago :) Kankakee River (south on I57 or I55) WOW, thanks! this is a great hint. I found this web site and looks good for fishing http://pages.ripco.net/~jwn/kankakee.html is it adapt for belly boat? Dupage River (west of the city) Desplaines River (also west from Wisconsin to about Lockport), Fox River (far west), Various Cook County, Dupage County and Will County Forest Preserves Illinois River (starts in Channahon just south of I80 and I55), Fox Chain of Lakes (NW of city), awe hell...Get a map! other interesting spots! thanks. are you from Illinois too? I ordered on Borders three guides: Illinois, Winsconsin and Indiana Atlas & Gazetteer (Delorme), do you know? the lakefront in the city (lots of access points), I often go there, but it's a kind of overfished. recently I saw two 6pounds like fishes following my lures (a muskie and another fish like a trout). the muskie tried to bite but it didn't attached hard so I didn't get -- ciao Vittorix |
Scott Seidman wrote:
Subsurface flies provide more fishing opportunities than dry flies. Fish are eating underwater more than they eat on top of the water. nice to know, thanks. I read that dry flies (dry fly it's the same of float fly?) fishing is way more exciting to fish with of sinking ones, is it true? -- ciao Vittorix |
Wolfgang wrote:
...I would know how a dead big fly would sink and I think it's a huge argument about sinking flies (instead of floating ones), am I right? The word "fly" is misleading. Fishing flies are designed to represent all manner of creatures, everything from "true" flies in the taxonomic sense (the diptera) through the big three of trout stream aquatic insects, the mayflies (ephemeroptera), the caddis flies (tricoptera) and stoneflies (plecoptera) thanks a lot for the description, I searched the flies and they are so interesting to imitate and to imitate and use (I can imagine) in all the stages of their life cycles, and on to bait fish (including immatures of many a game species), crayfish, shrimp, crabs, worms.....even mice and baby ducks I thought these ones where referred more to spinning and casting fishing There are indeed arguments about what flies work best in which situations, and even some about whether or not one should use various styles and whether or not some are rightly judged as flies at all. You can safely ignore ALL of those arguments. Advice is usually worth listening to.....and you can get tons of it here for free.....but you get to decide for yourself what you want to use. I'll take care of this. I think that I'm starving to pratice and start fly fishing. I spoke with my wife about belly boat and rod/waders/fly rod few minutes ago and plannig going to move nearer to the nature in the future (I love Chicago downtown but I am definitively attracted from nature).. :) fly fishing it's the only fishing I didn't tried and I think I'll appasionate very badly, I'm ordering a float tube (Creek ODC 420) and when I'll have enough money I'll buy a fly rod. they're so expensive! 600$! I saw a 69$ fly rod and tried to find differences with the good one and it's too soft, do you think I should start from that or I have to wait when I can afford a good one? A $69 rod is not necessarily going to be soft, nor a $600 rod fast the one I tried gave me the impression, respect the 600$ one, that it would not return all the energy you charge and it bends more irregorally than the other. this for what I know from other tecniques, maybe there's more. In short, price is not at all a good indicator of a rod's action. The conventional wisdom is that more money will buy greater quality, regardless of desired characteristics. Generally, this tends toward truth, but the exceptions are so numerous as to make the observation nearly worthless. There are many rods in the low to mid range that are every bit as good as many very expensive ones in terms of performance and often enough even in cosmetics, durability, and whatever other traits might interest you. can you suggest some? I think I'll get the 69$ :) This topic comes up here frequently. You'll get no end of opposed opinions on which rods (and other pieces of equipment) are superior and why. Unfortunately, there is simply no substitute for trying various combinations to see what you like. this happens in many other techniques. I just thought in fly fishing the rod could be more important (and I read so) Obviously, trying many is simply out of the question for a beginner on his own. Your best bet is to get together with experienced fly fishers and try as many rigs as possible before making up your mind about what to buy. Barring this, it only makes sense to start out relatively cheap (you may decide you hate fly fishing regardless of your equipments' performance) it's impossible I'll hate fly fishing, I know myself and then work your way up as you gain experience of your own and input from others you meet along the way.....unless you have more money than you know how to deal with sensibly. I'm going to accept a I-don't-like-to-work-here job more happily these days knowing I will effort more fishing gears :) Once again, good luck. thanks man! -- ciao Vittorix |
"Wayne Harrison" wrote in message . com... "Vittorix" wrote how do you judge Illinois? gently. wayno Too. Wolfgang |
Bob La Londe wrote:
I know Gloomis and St. Croux but I don't find so much difference in using chosen Abu Barcia, Shakespeare and Shimano rod for bass fishing with success. True, but I bass fish (spinning and casting) very seriously, and I can tell a lot of differences. For instance. I like to pitch light baits which is a very arm, wrist, and elbow intensive activity. Something as simple as a few grams difference in weight or balance can mean the difference after an 8+ hour tournament the wrong word is "tournament". it's something I don't think I'll ever love. for me fishing is like a primitive return to our ancestral origins and a return to nature. not a fact of weight and scoring and frenzy and stress and I do have to resist and I can't rest for a while enjoying the landscape :) I know myself and I'll love fly fishing. That is good. Abit premature IMO since you say you are brand new to it, but its always good to have a clear definition of your passions. I started climbing the balconyěs railing at the 8th floor telling my mother "I want to fly" when I was 4yo. when I was 24 I went to the Palermo's skydiving centre and I jumped 80 times from the plane. I stopped skydiving and other dangerous activities now that I feel the responsabilities of being married and I still say "I wanna fly". maybe I misunderstood myself and I meant "I wanna fly-fishing" :-D I had not thought of that, but unless you get really crappy junk I don't think so. If you really believe that is a possibility you might instead spring for the cash for a fly fishing clinic to teach you the basics. I have a sort of rule about fishing and sports: I didn't ever get money for teaching sport techniques and I didn't payed yet. I'd like to learn from a expert friend and I'll do the same in the future as usual. but maybe I'll take some lesson for fly fishing P.S. I thought you said you weren't going to respond to any more of my posts LOL. I won't about that discussion. I'll still respond to you when you experience pauses among your drugging moments, BLB ;-D Prrrrrrrr -- ciao Vittorix |
Wolfgang wrote:
how do you judge Illinois? gently. wayno Too. can I say I didn't understand anything? -- ciao Vittorix |
Vittorix wrote:
can I say I didn't understand anything? Basically I blew you off and said that I'd rather tell you to go to hell than fish with you. I don't like your Usenet attitude. The gruesome gnome from Milwaukee thought that was rather untoward, but then he doesn't read rofb. OFITONS doesn't know what the hell is going on but he's such a sweetheart I bet he'd give you fly fishing lessons for free if you ever showed up in North Carolina. And that's about all the translation I'm going to provide. You're on your own from here on out. -- Ken Fortenberry |
"Vittorix" wrote in message I'll still respond to you when you experience pauses among your drugging moments, BLB ;-D Prrrrrrrr There you go again. If you are going to continue to attempt to insult me then you should atleast spell it out for everybody to see. You are just being rude to everybody else who reads your posts and wonders what the heck you are saying. LOL. -- Bob La Londe http://www.YumaBassMan.com |
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
can I say I didn't understand anything? Basically I blew you off and said that I'd rather tell you to go to hell than fish with you. I don't like your Usenet attitude. I still am a nice person whenever you like my 'attitude' or not. I'll try to survive your aversion :) The gruesome gnome from Milwaukee thought that was rather untoward, but then he doesn't read rofb. OFITONS doesn't know what the hell is going on but he's such a sweetheart I bet he'd give you fly fishing lessons for free if you ever showed up in North Carolina. And that's about all the translation I'm going to provide. You're on your own from here on out. thanks for the explanation -- ciao Vittorix |
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