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Is it illegal to take home coarse fish and eat them
I am a keen angler and fish throughout the entire year. I'm a big
believer in returning fish as quickly as possible with the minimum amount of disruption and distress towards the fish. But... A work college asked if i ever took my catch home to eat, which i replied absolutely not. He then asked is it against the law, and i said, well.. So i started to do some research on the subject and i can't find anything which states you can or can't take fish home to eat. From rivers that is. The only thing I've found out is that it's illegal to fish using crayfish as bait, and you can't take fish from private waters, i.e. poaching. Maybe there are byelaws for particular areas? Maybe you can take certain types of fish home, perhaps eels? What about live bait? Can you fish for say, small roach on rivers and use them in the same area for live/dead bait? If you can take fish home then what about clubs who "own" that section of water. Do they have rights to stop people taking fish home to eat? If anyone can point me in the right direction then please let me know. I would like to point out that i'm not advocating or trying to promote the idea for taking fish home. I'm just curious. |
"Russ" wrote in message oups.com... I am a keen angler and fish throughout the entire year. I'm a big believer in returning fish as quickly as possible with the minimum amount of disruption and distress towards the fish. But... A work college asked if i ever took my catch home to eat, which i replied absolutely not. He then asked is it against the law, and i said, well.. So i started to do some research on the subject and i can't find anything which states you can or can't take fish home to eat. From rivers that is. The only thing I've found out is that it's illegal to fish using crayfish as bait, and you can't take fish from private waters, i.e. poaching. Maybe there are byelaws for particular areas? Maybe you can take certain types of fish home, perhaps eels? What about live bait? Can you fish for say, small roach on rivers and use them in the same area for live/dead bait? If you can take fish home then what about clubs who "own" that section of water. Do they have rights to stop people taking fish home to eat? If anyone can point me in the right direction then please let me know. I would like to point out that i'm not advocating or trying to promote the idea for taking fish home. I'm just curious. I for one would also never consider taking a fish home to eat, it is probably covered by By-laws. I'm sure most coarse fishermen in the UK take the catch and release policy. John H http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uk_fishing |
In message .com, Russ
writes Maybe there are byelaws for particular areas? Maybe you can take certain types of fish home, perhaps eels? What about live bait? Can you fish for say, small roach on rivers and use them in the same area for live/dead bait? If you can take fish home then what about clubs who "own" that section of water. Do they have rights to stop people taking fish home to eat? If anyone can point me in the right direction then please let me know. There is no law against eating coarse fish. What you require is the consent of the owner of the fishing rights, which is unlikely to be forthcoming in a managed coarse fishery. The attitude of the manager of a game fishery to taking coarse fish may be entirely different... Taking fish (coarse or otherwise) from private water without consent is, as far as I know, treated as theft. -- Steve Walker |
"Steve Walker" wrote in message ... In message .com, Russ writes Maybe there are byelaws for particular areas? Maybe you can take certain types of fish home, perhaps eels? What about live bait? Can you fish for say, small roach on rivers and use them in the same area for live/dead bait? If you can take fish home then what about clubs who "own" that section of water. Do they have rights to stop people taking fish home to eat? If anyone can point me in the right direction then please let me know. There is no law against eating coarse fish. What you require is the consent of the owner of the fishing rights, which is unlikely to be forthcoming in a managed coarse fishery. The attitude of the manager of a game fishery to taking coarse fish may be entirely different... Taking fish (coarse or otherwise) from private water without consent is, as far as I know, treated as theft. -- Steve Walker Hi Steve, I agree with that ........... 4 main 'boundaries', namely commercial coarse, river coarse (in the main) game fishing and sea fishing ............ and of course (if you extend the discussion beyond the UK) other countries 'local & accepted' habits/behaviour. Richard |
So if you are fishing a, "free" water, i.e. a stretch of water which
isn't owned by a club/sole owner etc, then theoretically you can take home any fish you catch. Or would you have to contact the environment agency instead as i would assume they become the default owner? |
In message .com, Russ
writes So if you are fishing a, "free" water, i.e. a stretch of water which isn't owned by a club/sole owner etc, then theoretically you can take home any fish you catch. Or would you have to contact the environment agency instead as i would assume they become the default owner? I would guess that most free fishing is technically owned by local councils. -- Steve Walker |
"Russ" wrote in message oups.com... So if you are fishing a, "free" water, i.e. a stretch of water which isn't owned by a club/sole owner etc, then theoretically you can take home any fish you catch. snip No, I didn't say or mean to imply that. I'm not sure what the legal position is in the UK regarding for example the removal of coarse fish from the types of water you mention. However, the UK culture for coarse angling is catch and release so it hasn't really been a major issue in the past .... whether it will become one in the future is another question. Richard |
In message , Derek.Moody
writes In article .com, Russ wrote: So if you are fishing a, "free" water, i.e. a stretch of water which isn't owned by a club/sole owner etc, then theoretically you can take home any fish you catch. Or would you have to contact the environment agency instead as i would assume they become the default owner? Ianal Paraphrasing from "Anglers' Law", Millichamp, Black. 1987. (I don't know whether any more recent legislation applies) Fish in a completely enclosed water in single ownership belong to the owner of the water. Taking them without permission is theft. Fish in a water that is not completely enclosed - eg, a river, a lake connected to a river without a fish-proof barrier, the sea - belong to no-one, even if stocked they become creatures released into the wild. As they have no owner it is impossible to steal them. They belong to the captor. Laws, bylaws and local regulations may restrict what you can do with your property just as they restrict what you can do with your car. When you are given permission to fish you agree a civil contract with the proprietor and that will include further restrictions - breach of these is a civil law matter. /Ianal Hmm. Interesting. It looks to me as if taking fish from an enclosed water is treated as theft, but as if there is an additional provision within the act covering taking fish from "private waters". From http://www.defra.gov.uk/paw/publications/law/4_1_10.htm : "In England and Wales the Theft Act usually applies to fish in enclosed waters and breeding tanks where they can be classed as property and not as wild creatures. Under section 32 of and Schedule 1 to the Theft Act, however, it is an offence unlawfully to take or destroy or attempt to take or destroy any fish in private waters. Any person may arrest anyone who is committing such an offence unless they are using rod and line in daytime. In all cases conviction for an offence may lead to the forfeiture or seizure of the fishing tackle involved." -- Steve Walker |
Local councils will have by-laws covering stretches of water that they
are responsible for. These in conjunction with Water authorities which may have additional laws. I would suspect that taking fish away would be prohibited and the angler who does so without permission or on assumption it might be ok should not be allowed to own a rod. http://piscatorialtimes.blogspot.com/ |
Why Gudgeon???
"Derek.Moody" wrote in message ... In article .com, Russ wrote: So if you are fishing a, "free" water, i.e. a stretch of water which isn't owned by a club/sole owner etc, then theoretically you can take home any fish you catch. Or would you have to contact the environment agency instead as i would assume they become the default owner? Ianal Paraphrasing from "Anglers' Law", Millichamp, Black. 1987. (I don't know whether any more recent legislation applies) Fish in a completely enclosed water in single ownership belong to the owner of the water. Taking them without permission is theft. Fish in a water that is not completely enclosed - eg, a river, a lake connected to a river without a fish-proof barrier, the sea - belong to no-one, even if stocked they become creatures released into the wild. As they have no owner it is impossible to steal them. They belong to the captor. Laws, bylaws and local regulations may restrict what you can do with your property just as they restrict what you can do with your car. When you are given permission to fish you agree a civil contract with the proprietor and that will include further restrictions - breach of these is a civil law matter. /Ianal As far as eating coarse fish goes - about the only one's I'd bother with now are gudgeon. Cheerio, -- |
re-ordered to convention. In article , misterP wrote: "Derek.Moody" wrote in message ... As far as eating coarse fish goes - about the only one's I'd bother with now are gudgeon. Why Gudgeon??? Flavour and texture. When you buy 'goujons' of plaice or sole they're an attempt to recreate true gudgeon with easier to get sea fish. Cheerio, -- |
In article , Alec Powell
wrote: to be very popular years ago. Now sadly even the gudgeon is becoming scarce in some rivers. I've noticed them come and go - they seem to be very dependant on the nature of the bottom. There's a stretch near here where dredging more or less got rid of them and now after some more bottom work, they are becoming common again. All the while another stretch of the same river has had plenty. Cheerio, -- |
Well thanks for all you comments. Very interesting.
I'm off fishing tomorrow morning. The drains near Ramsey, so hopefully a few pike, roach, bream will be the catch of the day. And you never know, maybe even a Gudgen! Enjoy your fishing. Russ Derek.Moody wrote: In article , Alec Powell wrote: to be very popular years ago. Now sadly even the gudgeon is becoming scarce in some rivers. I've noticed them come and go - they seem to be very dependant on the nature of the bottom. There's a stretch near here where dredging more or less got rid of them and now after some more bottom work, they are becoming common again. All the while another stretch of the same river has had plenty. Cheerio, -- |
On Sat, 24 Sep 2005, Russ, gave forth these words of wisdom:
I'm off fishing tomorrow morning. The drains near Ramsey, so hopefully a few pike Good luck Russ, and if you manage a 3-4 lb. jack then take it home. Poach it in plain water with a few herbs added to give it a bit of a flavour and serve it with a Hollandaise sauce. Lovely! Very underestimated fish is the pike as far as eating is concerned, (although some Irish and Polish think more highly of them than salmon :-) Good luck and tight lines! Alec -- Alec Powell Watlington Oxon. UK |
In article , Alec Powell
wrote: On Sat, 24 Sep 2005, Russ, gave forth these words of wisdom: I'm off fishing tomorrow morning. The drains near Ramsey, so hopefully a few pike Good luck Russ, and if you manage a 3-4 lb. jack then take it home. Poach it in plain water with a few herbs added to give it a bit of a flavour and serve it with a Hollandaise sauce. Lovely! Very underestimated fish is the pike as far as eating is concerned, (although some Irish and Polish think more highly of them than salmon :-) Imo that's a bit small - still rather soft fleshed and not a lot of flavour. Roughly 7lb is about right. The problem with pike (and most other coarse fish) is that they pick up taint from their food - so unless you can get one that you know has been eating clean-gravel feeders it's often disappointing. Middle sized trout stream pike are often OK. (And the best size to take to control the population.) There are a few waters around here where they allow coarse fishing during the game closed seasons on condition that all pike are killed. If you actually do kill the big ones you get hundreds of jacks. Cheerio, -- |
After gutting always leave overnight in salt water this removes that muddy
flavour. John. |
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I have beenfishing in the Middle East, Asia and Africa where we used to catch fish to take home and eat!! It is the pleasure of catching the fish plus the pleasure of then cooking and eating them fresh. Much better than the frozen stuff you buy from a fishmonger!! Of course small fish or fish that I do not intend to cook and eat must be released as quickly and as gently as possible.
The culture in the UK seems completely contrary to my perspective and understanding of fishing as I have known it in my 65 years of life, and the whole objective is lost to me!! I may be wrong. However, before I venture out and get myself a rod license and get myself "kitted out" I would like to be sure that, in the process of pursuing one of my hobbies, I break no laws and step on nobody's toes. In this very interesting thread I have noticed that nobdy seems to know for sure what is and what is not legal!! I was hoping to be able to go out fishing and bring home a few fish for domestic private consumption!! This could be bream, bass, trout, pike, or eel. I do not like carp as they are too bony!! Any information and/or guidance in this matter to my email: would be greatly appreciated. Quote:
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There is no law against eating coarse fish. What you need is for the owner of fishing, which is unlikely to be forthcoming with coarse fisheries management agreement. Of a game to take rough fish fishery manager's attitude may be completely different.
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No law against eating coarse fish. You need the consent of the owners of fishing rights, this is unlikely to fisheries management in the upcoming rough. The attitude of the manager to take a game fishing rough fish may be completely different.
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Medium-sized pike trout tends OK. the best size to be taken Control population. There are some in the vicinity they allow Coarse fishing, fishing in the race, on condition that all the Pike Killed. If you really do big, you get to kill hundreds of jack.
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