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This is just sick!

Dogs and Cats Used as Shark Bait on French Island


http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/10/1019_051019_dogs_sharks.html

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Got Plonked! ! !
"Tightwad" wrote in message
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This is just sick!

Dogs and Cats Used as Shark Bait on French Island


http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/10/1019_051019_dogs_sharks.html

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Paul BR wrote:

Got Plonked! ! !

Whatever!

How big a Chichiua do you use for Pike?

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"Tightwad" wrote in message
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Paul BR wrote:

Got Plonked! ! !

Whatever!

How big a Chichiua do you use for Pike?

Come on...if you a dog and/or cat lover you know damn well that "fishermen"
around
the world aren't a real threat. Even if there are isolated instances of
cruelty like that article.
If you're really concerned I think you ought to be more worried about the
habit of eating dogs
and raising them for that purpose in Korea and China.

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"Jim E.." wrote in message
news:Iw56f.8386$fC3.3747@trndny01...

"Tightwad" wrote in message
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Paul BR wrote:

Got Plonked! ! !

Whatever!

How big a Chichiua do you use for Pike?

Come on...if you a dog and/or cat lover you know damn well that
"fishermen"
around
the world aren't a real threat. Even if there are isolated instances of
cruelty like that article.
If you're really concerned I think you ought to be more worried about the
habit of eating dogs
and raising them for that purpose in Korea and China.

.... and the Philipines and in some places in the US.

--
Bob La Londe

Cheapskate's Ways to Do Fishing Stuff
(The Frugal Fisherman)
Through the Month of October 2005

http://www.YumaBassMan.com

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I'm not concerned for our Country. I was alarmed to read that People,
anywhere, would do such a thing.

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"Tightwad" wrote in message
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I'm not concerned for our Country. I was alarmed to read that People,
anywhere, would do such a thing.

That is because of the SOCIETY you were raised in. Its perfectly acceptable
to eat dog in other parts of the world. I served in Korea in 93 and 94. Most
Koreans dont eat dog, but its acceptable. Dog is not a staple in Korean
society like a lot of people make it out to be. It is considered a health
food and is served mostly in places like the top of Soyu Mountain although
you will see it skinned and hanging in some downtown shops. Just because, I
tried it, and it is really bad. And it is usually eaten in small quantities.
And like a previous poster mentioned, they are raised for that purpose. They
only eat one kind of dog, which to me (I saw them alive in pens and they all
looked alike) looked like a curly tailed short hair terrier, about the size
of a small Pit Bull but not as muscular.

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The people who are screaming the loudest about this are people who probably
don't agree with hunting and fishing. It is hard for me to believe it is
true. Dogs are pets and work animals to me and the line is usually blurred.
I have seen the dogs cut up in the market in Kunsan City, I could never
bring myself to try it.
George in Las Vegas

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George wrote:

The people who are screaming the loudest about this are people who probably
don't agree with hunting and fishing. It is hard for me to believe it is
true. Dogs are pets and work animals to me and the line is usually blurred.
I have seen the dogs cut up in the market in Kunsan City, I could never
bring myself to try it.
George in Las Vegas


I hunt and fish as often as I can. I would never consider even using a
mongrel for bait however or a horse for steaks.

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On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 21:46:48 -0700, "George" wrote:

The people who are screaming the loudest about this are people who probably
don't agree with hunting and fishing. It is hard for me to believe it is
true.

Because it's probably not true. Definitely not a very credible
source...

--
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Indianapolis, IN
Email:
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"Dwayne E. Cooper" wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 21:46:48 -0700, "George" wrote:

The people who are screaming the loudest about this are people who
probably
don't agree with hunting and fishing. It is hard for me to believe it is
true.

Because it's probably not true. Definitely not a very credible
source...


Its the National Geographic site. I went back to make sure it wasn't a hack
and searched it from the root part of the site, and found it also. I also
did some other searches on the National Geographic site on fishing, and
almost all of their stories are weight to make fishermen whether sport or
commercial look like evil villains who are sacking the world.

Whether the story is as true as it is sensationalized to be we can't tell,
but there is probably some seed of truth to it.

--
Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com

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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
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"Dwayne E. Cooper" wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 21:46:48 -0700, "George" wrote:

The people who are screaming the loudest about this are people who
probably
don't agree with hunting and fishing. It is hard for me to believe it
is
true.

Because it's probably not true. Definitely not a very credible
source...


Its the National Geographic site. I went back to make sure it wasn't a
hack
and searched it from the root part of the site, and found it also. I also
did some other searches on the National Geographic site on fishing, and
almost all of their stories are weight to make fishermen whether sport or
commercial look like evil villains who are sacking the world.

Whether the story is as true as it is sensationalized to be we can't tell,
but there is probably some seed of truth to it.


Here's my 2 cents..

Stories like this are usually blown up by PETA as well. Have you all heard
the latest dog killing PETA story, yes they collect dogs saying they are
going to find them homes and instead dispose of them. A vet in Virginia
turned over 200 dogs to members of PETA because they said they could find
homes. The vet said some of the dogs were VERY ADOPTABLE. Within hours the
dogs were killed and the carcasses illegally dumped on someones property.
This happened about 2 months ago. Two PETA members have been charged. Of
course you will be hard pressed to find the story posted anywhere.

PETA on fishing:

"Many people have never stopped to think about it, but fish are smart,
interesting animals with their own unique personalities" So do the fish you
catch have "Personalities"?

"Some fish gather information by eavesdropping on others" WHOA! SPY FISH!
They are super intelligent (I dont want to take anything from the fish, it
does take some intelligence to catch them with the worm and all).

Fish Feel Pain "While it may seem obvious that fish are able to feel pain,
like every other animal, some people still think of fish as swimming
vegetables. In fact, regarding the ability to feel pain, fish are equal to
dogs, cats, and all other animals. Dr. Donald Broom, scientific advisor to
the British government, explains that "The scientific literature is quite
clear. Anatomically, physiologically and biologically, the pain system in
fish is virtually the same as in birds and animals." I never doubted it
myself, but so do cows, pigs, goats, snakes, and any other animal. But as
long as humans rule the earth, they will be killed and eaten and there is
nothing PETA or NG can do about it short of getting the eating of meat and
fish outlawed which isnt likely to happen, at least not in my lifetime.

PETA wants people to stop fishing and has protested during the Bassmasters
Classic. As well, they have Lobster Liberation going on where they steal
lobsters from law abiding restaraunt owners and place them back in the ocean
(Usually where the go back into the food chain and are quickly gobbled
up...my note)

They do have aternatives, not to fishing but eating fish. Faux Fish recipes.
If you get tired of torturing and murdering fish you can always try the Red
Envelope Fish made out of Frozen Bean Curd. I am sure it compares favorably
with that tasty Bass you will no longer be eating.

PETA = People Eating Tasty Animals. Yes, I know its old but hey its funny.

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On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 01:11:31 GMT, "Jeff"
wrote:


"Tightwad" wrote in message
...
I'm not concerned for our Country. I was alarmed to read that People,
anywhere, would do such a thing.

That is because of the SOCIETY you were raised in. Its perfectly acceptable
to eat dog in other parts of the world. I served in Korea in 93 and 94. Most
Koreans dont eat dog, but its acceptable. Dog is not a staple in Korean
society like a lot of people make it out to be. It is considered a health
food and is served mostly in places like the top of Soyu Mountain although
you will see it skinned and hanging in some downtown shops. Just because, I
tried it, and it is really bad. And it is usually eaten in small quantities.
And like a previous poster mentioned, they are raised for that purpose. They
only eat one kind of dog, which to me (I saw them alive in pens and they all
looked alike) looked like a curly tailed short hair terrier, about the size
of a small Pit Bull but not as muscular.


Interesting opportunity to author a cookbook... 101 ways to Wok your
Dog...
John

http://groups.msn.com/scottishflyfisher

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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:59:28 -0500, Tightwad
wrote:

George wrote:

The people who are screaming the loudest about this are people who probably
don't agree with hunting and fishing. It is hard for me to believe it is
true. Dogs are pets and work animals to me and the line is usually blurred.
I have seen the dogs cut up in the market in Kunsan City, I could never
bring myself to try it.
George in Las Vegas


I hunt and fish as often as I can. I would never consider even using a
mongrel for bait however or a horse for steaks.

Well, at least they haven't made the logical progression towards
solving any unemployment problems they might have.

I think that the outrage is a little misplaced. After all, about
30,000 children die unnecessarily each day through poverty and
neglect. Kinds of puts this sensationalist report into perspective.

John

http://groups.msn.com/scottishflyfisher

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Are you from the phillipines, then you have no idea piehole!

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Why is it OK to kill and eat a cow or a pig, but not a dog? Why is it OK to
abuse a pig, but not a dog?
If you say they were bred for that purpose, then that means it's OK to
abuse, kill, and eat a dog if that is what I raised it for.

There is no difference.

George Burnt

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George wrote:
Why is it OK to kill and eat a cow or a pig, but not a dog? Why is it OK to
abuse a pig, but not a dog?
If you say they were bred for that purpose, then that means it's OK to
abuse, kill, and eat a dog if that is what I raised it for.

There is no difference.

George Burnt


To me there is a lot of difference, the intelligence of the animal, and
the animals ability to bond, and trust humans

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:41:44 -0500, Rodney wrote:

George wrote:
Why is it OK to kill and eat a cow or a pig, but not a dog? Why is it OK to
abuse a pig, but not a dog?
If you say they were bred for that purpose, then that means it's OK to
abuse, kill, and eat a dog if that is what I raised it for.

There is no difference.

George Burnt


To me there is a lot of difference, the intelligence of the animal, and
the animals ability to bond, and trust humans

OK, pigs aren't not as sociable as dogs, but they are on par with them
in the intelligence stakes. Why does an animal's worth have to depend
on how they fit in with our perception of what is cute and cuddly?

Meat is meat. Life is life.Everything has it's role to play... even
wasps and midges. shudder Differentiating is taking a polarised
view.

John

http://groups.msn.com/scottishflyfisher

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OK, pigs aren't not as sociable as dogs, but they are on par with them
in the intelligence stakes. Why does an animal's worth have to depend
on how they fit in with our perception of what is cute and cuddly?

I think humans have more of a connection with dogs than other animals. They
were probably the first animal we domesticated. We probably hunted with them
before they were "officially" domesticated.

I have raised pigs and while they won't climb in your lap they are fairly
social and as you mentioned very smart. Cattle are dumb, goats are smarter,
and from what I've seen sheep can't be any smarter than cattle.
George in Las Vegas

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On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:55:03 -0800, "George" wrote:

OK, pigs aren't not as sociable as dogs, but they are on par with them
in the intelligence stakes. Why does an animal's worth have to depend
on how they fit in with our perception of what is cute and cuddly?

I think humans have more of a connection with dogs than other animals. They
were probably the first animal we domesticated. We probably hunted with them
before they were "officially" domesticated.

I have raised pigs and while they won't climb in your lap they are fairly
social and as you mentioned very smart. Cattle are dumb, goats are smarter,
and from what I've seen sheep can't be any smarter than cattle.
George in Las Vegas

Sheep have to be the most stupid domesticated animal. They deserve to
be eaten, which is why it is my mission in life to consume as much
lamb masaladar as humanly possible.

I read somewhere that if you put a bag over a sheep's head, so no
visual stimuli reach the brain, it actually automatically falls
asleep.

Now, if this is true, and somebody actually spent time and money
researching this, with portable EEG machines and blindfolds, 2
questions spring to mind...

1. Who funded the project?

2. Why did they want to know how to put a sheep to sleep?

Inquiring, (and deeply suspicious,) minds want to know.

John

http://groups.msn.com/scottishflyfisher

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Inquiring, (and deeply suspicious,) minds want to know.


Somebody over in your corner of the world probably. Besides wool you have
trouble finding any sheep products over here.
George in Las Vegas

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I wouldn't use my cat for bait but a PETA member For sure
We had some idiot protesting eating fish in my area. I guess she didn't hear
how Jesus feed the crowd fish not lettuce and carrots

"Tightwad" wrote in message
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This is just sick!

Dogs and Cats Used as Shark Bait on French Island



http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...ogs_sharks.htm
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I wouldn't use my cat for bait but a PETA member For sure
We had some idiot protesting eating fish in my area. I guess she didn't
hear
how Jesus feed the crowd fish not lettuce and carrots

This is the best idea to come out of this whole discussion. BTW since they
are opposed to medical research maybe they would volunteer to test some
medicine or cosmetics in the lab.
George in Las Vegas

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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:05:18 -0800, "George" wrote:

Inquiring, (and deeply suspicious,) minds want to know.


Somebody over in your corner of the world probably. Besides wool you have
trouble finding any sheep products over here.
George in Las Vegas

Well, who am I to deny the reputation? Wait till the make it an
Olympic sport, then you won't be laughing! We Brits will have all the
gongs... all that Scottish and Welsh talent! ;-)

John

http://groups.msn.com/scottishflyfisher

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On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 13:26:55 GMT, "Larry and a Cat named Dub"
wrote:

I wouldn't use my cat for bait but a PETA member For sure
We had some idiot protesting eating fish in my area. I guess she didn't hear
how Jesus feed the crowd fish not lettuce and carrots


Well, that all depends on your belief system...

John

http://groups.msn.com/scottishflyfisher

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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:59:28 -0500, Tightwad
wrote:

George wrote:

The people who are screaming the loudest about this are people who probably
don't agree with hunting and fishing. It is hard for me to believe it is
true. Dogs are pets and work animals to me and the line is usually blurred.
I have seen the dogs cut up in the market in Kunsan City, I could never
bring myself to try it.
George in Las Vegas


I hunt and fish as often as I can. I would never consider even using a
mongrel for bait however or a horse for steaks.

Pardon my butting in, since I am not a contrinutor to this group.
However, I thought it may be of interest to point out the research on
this done by snopes.com. See the link
http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/sharkbait.asp

Apparently there is SOME truth, but it is NOT prevalent or tolerated.
Aslo they say the dogs so used are not usually alive.

PaulK

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It has come to my attention that dogs are eager hunters/fishers, and with
minimal training and equipment, they are multi functional either for field
or water game recovery.
Poodles are especially effective for shark fishing, as sharks are
extremely sensitive to foul odors and smells. Long tailed dogs are more
effective than bob-tails as the use of trail hooks is greatly enhanced by
the longer tails. Use of large spinner blades on each appendage greatly
enhances the fish attracting ability of these very capable fishing dogs.
It is recommended that the hook harness be attached with ties of lesser
strength than the main line to allow the fishing dog to be broken free upon
the strike to facilitate fighting the fish and recovery of the fishing dog
for further sets.
It is important to remember to use the fishing dogs only for surface
fishing, as the dog (when properly trained) will signal the
fisherman/handler to the approaching strike. Bobbers and other flotation
devices are not used as they impede the natural action of the fishing dogs.
Always carry dogs in various colors and patterns as varying light and
water conditions make some colors/patterns more effective at differing times
of day. Also the sharks are not stupid......a shark previously hooked by a
Dalmatian for example will most often refuse to approach spotted fishing
dogs.....switch to a red or black and tan under these conditions. Some
sharks prefer smaller or larger fishing dog combinations.....carry several
fishing dogs in various sizes in each preferred color combination.
Fishing with dogs is a very hazardous sport. Always retrieve the fishing
dog with a net when possible to avoid injury both to the dog and fisherman.
The loss of a treasured fishing dog is always possible, and
often unavoidable. We must remember that shark fishing, especially, is
dangerous for these courageous and spirited fishing dogs, but with proper
care a good fishing dog may be in peak condition for several fun-filled
years. Use of dogs is no longer recommended in North America for Orca
fishing due to several well publicized recent incidents.

Pepperoni
reposted from 1996