Fishing question
 

How do you all feel about fish and release. I love to fish, but I don't
like to eat the fish so they are released, when I mention this some people
feels that it is not a nice thing to do. You should fish to eat or not fish
at all. I'm just curious as to what the opinion of this group is.

--

"I believe that friends are quiet Angels that lift us to our feet
when our wings have trouble remembering how to fly"

Fishing question
 

On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:08:22 -0600, "Stinkweed"
wrote:

How do you all feel about fish and release. I love to fish, but I don't
like to eat the fish so they are released, when I mention this some people
feels that it is not a nice thing to do. You should fish to eat or not fish
at all. I'm just curious as to what the opinion of this group is.

I catch and release all the time. I only take a fish very
occasionally.

Those people who believe that you should only "fish to eat," as you
put it, are missing an important point... there are very few people in
the developed world who need to fish as a matter of survival. We do it
for pleasure. If anybody can't handle that simple fact of life, they
need to see a proctologist to assist them with the removal of their
heads from the orifice from which they are pontificating.

Unless they are vegans, (you can identify them by the pale complexion,
dry brittle hair and the plastic shoes,) they subscribe to a system
that provides them with meat and dairy produce through farming methods
that are"not nice." Don't concern yourself with the judgment of
ignorant hypocrites. Why should you waste your breath trying to
justify yourself to the likes of them?

Then there are those who believe that C&R has little to contribute to
conservation of wild stock, so you might as well take the fish you
catch home, but at least their argument is cogent. They will tell you
that C&R is a pointless exercise. Sadly, this is a valid POV.

All in all, it is down to personal choice and I choose to C&R.

As long as you treat the fish properly, it has little chance of
suffering any long term problems from being hooked. Have a look here.
http://www.letsflyfish.com/candr.htm It's on Ally Gowan's site, (the
man who gave us Ally's Shrimp.) I happen to agree with his take on the
C&R debate.

The trouble is, I've seen some fishermen abuse fish when they are
C&Ring. The last time I was out stockie bashing, I saw an idiot drag a
trout right up the bank, (which was sandy,) take the hook out of the
fish, before picking it up with dry hands and throwing it back in the
water. I don't give that trout much chance of survival.

John

http://groups.msn.com/scottishflyfisher

Fishing question
 

From: "Stinkweed"

| How do you all feel about fish and release. I love to fish, but I don't
| like to eat the fish so they are released, when I mention this some people
| feels that it is not a nice thing to do. You should fish to eat or not fish
| at all. I'm just curious as to what the opinion of this group is.
|

I practice Catch & Release and only eat a few fish I catch. There are times I will catch a
fish and give it to another to eat but the vast majority of fish I catch are released.

If one feels a barbed hook cause too much damage, use barbless hooks or use a Dremel or
other file and remove the barb.

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm

Fishing question
 

On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:08:22 -0600, "Stinkweed"
wrote (with possible editing):

How do you all feel about fish and release. I love to fish, but I don't
like to eat the fish so they are released, when I mention this some people
feels that it is not a nice thing to do. You should fish to eat or not fish
at all. I'm just curious as to what the opinion of this group is.

Well, fwiw, our government feels that C&R is ok. Otherwise why would
they designate sections of streams and lakes as C&R? My favorite
stream is C&R, now. I used to eat a lot of fish, but now that most
fresh water fish in New England are so mercury laden, the government
recommends only one per month. I'd like to keep in shape, though, so
I support C&R.
--

Larry
Email to rapp at lmr dot com

Fishing question
 

"Scottish Fly Fisher" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:08:22 -0600, "Stinkweed"
wrote:

How do you all feel about fish and release. I love to fish, but I don't
like to eat the fish so they are released, when I mention this some people
feels that it is not a nice thing to do. You should fish to eat or not
fish
at all. I'm just curious as to what the opinion of this group is.

I catch and release all the time. I only take a fish very
occasionally.

Those people who believe that you should only "fish to eat," as you
put it, are missing an important point... there are very few people in
the developed world who need to fish as a matter of survival. We do it
for pleasure. If anybody can't handle that simple fact of life, they
need to see a proctologist to assist them with the removal of their
heads from the orifice from which they are pontificating.

Unless they are vegans, (you can identify them by the pale complexion,
dry brittle hair and the plastic shoes,) they subscribe to a system
that provides them with meat and dairy produce through farming methods
that are"not nice." Don't concern yourself with the judgment of
ignorant hypocrites. Why should you waste your breath trying to
justify yourself to the likes of them?

Then there are those who believe that C&R has little to contribute to
conservation of wild stock, so you might as well take the fish you
catch home, but at least their argument is cogent. They will tell you
that C&R is a pointless exercise. Sadly, this is a valid POV.

All in all, it is down to personal choice and I choose to C&R.

As long as you treat the fish properly, it has little chance of
suffering any long term problems from being hooked. Have a look here.
http://www.letsflyfish.com/candr.htm It's on Ally Gowan's site, (the
man who gave us Ally's Shrimp.) I happen to agree with his take on the
C&R debate.

The trouble is, I've seen some fishermen abuse fish when they are
C&Ring. The last time I was out stockie bashing, I saw an idiot drag a
trout right up the bank, (which was sandy,) take the hook out of the
fish, before picking it up with dry hands and throwing it back in the
water. I don't give that trout much chance of survival.

John

http://groups.msn.com/scottishflyfisher

Ok, I will go one question more. Does it hurt the bass physically to hold
it by the lower lip to take a picture or to take the hook out? I have been
told this is cruel and it does hurt the fish. I have also been told it
hurts the fish when it is hooked. I'm not trying to start trouble here,
these are things that have been told to me and I just want to know if they
are true or if the people were just giving me a bad time.

I'm glad to hear that all of you, including David and Larry agree that C&R
is an OK sport. We have also ate some of them too, but mostly we fish for
the sport of it.

Fishing question
 

From: "Stinkweed"

|
| Ok, I will go one question more. Does it hurt the bass physically to hold
| it by the lower lip to take a picture or to take the hook out? I have been
| told this is cruel and it does hurt the fish. I have also been told it
| hurts the fish when it is hooked. I'm not trying to start trouble here,
| these are things that have been told to me and I just want to know if they
| are true or if the people were just giving me a bad time.
|
| I'm glad to hear that all of you, including David and Larry agree that C&R
| is an OK sport. We have also ate some of them too, but mostly we fish for
| the sport of it.
|

About holding the fish for a picture. There are two factors to take into account here.
The time out of water and the angle you hold the lower jaw. Simply put, take the picture as
quickly as possible and hold the fish such that gravity isn't causing too much pressure on
the lower jaw and joint.

Of course try not to remove too much mucous off the fish when handling it. It is there to
protect the fish from bacteria and parasites.

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm

Fishing question
 

Stinkweed wrote:
"Scottish Fly Fisher" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:08:22 -0600, "Stinkweed"
wrote:

How do you all feel about fish and release. I love to fish, but I don't
like to eat the fish so they are released, when I mention this some people
feels that it is not a nice thing to do. You should fish to eat or not
fish
at all. I'm just curious as to what the opinion of this group is.

Anyone who says all fish should be kept is a PETA nut. Believe it or
not, many parts of Europe FORCE all caught fish to be killed. If the
fish is only 3 inches long, it must be killed. If the fish is an
endangered species, it must be killed. If the species is inedible, it
must be killed. If a fish contains toxins (lead, chlordane, mercury,
etc) and therefore cannot be consumed, it must be killed.

For example, where I live, lake sturgeon are endangered, plus they're
on a toxin list. If PETA had their way, a catfisherman would be forced
to keep a toxic endangered sturgeon caught incidentally while fishing
for Cat.

Some meathog nuts try to use the PETA nuts as an excuse to rationalize
meathogging. For example, In-Fisherman had a terrible editorial in the
early 1990s; IIRC it had "Tofu" in the title. The editorial writer of
this Bible-thumping publication (with the attitude of "God created fish
to be eaten by people"), claimed that pure C&R anglers MUST not
complain when people keep fish. To their credit, In-Fisherman did use
the term "Selective Harvest" which SHOULD include 100% C&R.

I catch and release all the time. I only take a fish very
occasionally.

I've caught over 1000 fish this year, eaten 2, used no more than 10
others as bait. The two I kept were an invasive species so I was
helping the ecosystem. The bait were Gizzard Shad and common minnow
species. A few dozen of the fish I released probably died, but most of
them were sunfish, low on the food chain, probably consumed by turtles
shortly after they died.

Those people who believe that you should only "fish to eat," as you
put it, are missing an important point... there are very few people in
the developed world who need to fish as a matter of survival. We do it
for pleasure. If anybody can't handle that simple fact of life, they
need to see a proctologist to assist them with the removal of their
heads from the orifice from which they are pontificating.

If expert fishermen were forced to keep every fish, they'd have to quit
early into a fishing session as they'd reach their limit quickly.

that are"not nice." Don't concern yourself with the judgment of
ignorant hypocrites. Why should you waste your breath trying to
justify yourself to the likes of them?

In parts of Europe, those ignorant hypocrites succeeded in creating
laws banning catch-and-release. Normally I don't condone
passive-aggressive behavior, but in those waters, I suggest anglers let
the fish "miraculously" get away at the bank or the side of the boat.
"Whoops, the fish slipped out of my hands!"

Some pay lakes have rules prohibiting catch-and-release. Whatever you
catch, you must pay by the pound.

Then there are those who believe that C&R has little to contribute to
conservation of wild stock, so you might as well take the fish you
catch home, but at least their argument is cogent. They will tell you
that C&R is a pointless exercise. Sadly, this is a valid POV.

C&R _IS_ good. This past summer I caught a Channel Catfish with half a
barbel missing. Caught what was probably the same Channel Catfish on a
different bait two months later, two inches longer. In parts of
Europe, some specimen Carp are well-known for their distinctive
features, having been caught and released multiple times. This shows
that the "no effect" is NOT a valid POV.

The only time it's valid is if the fish is likely to die, for example
Walleye tournaments might as well keep their Walleye because most of
them die. Many deep water fish have their swim bladders explode, so
it'd be a waste to release them.

All in all, it is down to personal choice and I choose to C&R.

As long as you treat the fish properly, it has little chance of
suffering any long term problems from being hooked. Have a look here.
http://www.letsflyfish.com/candr.htm It's on Ally Gowan's site, (the
man who gave us Ally's Shrimp.) I happen to agree with his take on the
C&R debate.

The trouble is, I've seen some fishermen abuse fish when they are
C&Ring. The last time I was out stockie bashing, I saw an idiot drag a
trout right up the bank, (which was sandy,) take the hook out of the
fish, before picking it up with dry hands and throwing it back in the
water. I don't give that trout much chance of survival.

Some people kill fish by using abrasive gloves which rub off the
protective slime. That's just one type of mishandling. Abusive
mishandling is extremely common.


John

http://groups.msn.com/scottishflyfisher

Some people suggest making it legal to keep mortally wounded trout.
This is bad because passive-aggressive meathogs would deliberately
abuse the fish to rationalize keeping them.

Ok, I will go one question more. Does it hurt the bass physically to hold
it by the lower lip to take a picture or to take the hook out? I have been
told this is cruel and it does hurt the fish. I have also been told it
hurts the fish when it is hooked. I'm not trying to start trouble here,
these are things that have been told to me and I just want to know if they
are true or if the people were just giving me a bad time.

Fish probably feel pain, but the pain is only a tiny percentage as
painful as human pain. Fish are a lot tougher than people. It's best
to minimize handling and get them back in the water ASAP. Holding a
large fish vertically out of the water is bad for their internal organs
(I believe many of the TV tournament bass die, as they're held out of
the water for huge amounts of time). I don't like Bass tournaments
anyway because Bass are homebodies, and they're taken miles from their
home territory.

One way C&R can be even worse than meathogging: imagine a meat angler
catching a limit of 4 trout and keeping the 4, then quitting fishing.
Then imagine a C&R angler catching and releasing 50 trout with a 90%
survival rate: he killed 5 trout and didn't utilize them.

Some lure anglers are snobs, saying bait users kill more fish. In
reality, when a fish swallows a baited hook, we quickly cut the line,
while a lure user will keep a fish out of the water for many minutes
trying to salvage a more expensive lure. Lure anglers often hold fish
out of the water for huge amounts of time.

Any fish not released unharmed immediately counts against an angler's
limit.

A high percentage of kept fish are illegal: out of season, protected
size, illegal method, etc. On one trip I was at a boat ramp where a
redneck family caught a Largemouth within a protected 12-15" slot limit
range. I told them the fish was illegal, but the redneck scum kept the
fish anyway. It's good to get the license plate numbers and boat
registration numbers of poachers.

One common meathog rationalization occurs on long travels. Meathogs
from out of state think they must keep fish to help pay for their trip.
For rare homebody species such as smallmouth bass, one meathog can
ruin an entire stretch of stream. Usually such meathogs are from out
of state, for example Southerners are known for often practicing catch
and release, but many northerners practice a bizarre Yankee ritual
called "shore lunch". I remember on one local outdoors radio show, a
Yankee called to say he had visited the (southern) state and kept a
limit of smallmouth on a stream, then thrown away all the fish uneaten
because he saw some small grubs in the fish. The host pointed out that
the grubs are harmless to people and die when cooked, and that most
locals have an understanding to release all smallmouth. The host could
barely control his anger at the meathog Yankee. Catch-and-release
southerners have a message for those meathogs: Yankee go home!

Fishing question
 

"David H. Lipman" wrote in message
news:YBu9f.953$0d.243@trnddc08...
From: "Stinkweed"

|
| Ok, I will go one question more. Does it hurt the bass physically to
hold
| it by the lower lip to take a picture or to take the hook out? I have
been
| told this is cruel and it does hurt the fish. I have also been told it
| hurts the fish when it is hooked. I'm not trying to start trouble here,
| these are things that have been told to me and I just want to know if
they
| are true or if the people were just giving me a bad time.
|
| I'm glad to hear that all of you, including David and Larry agree that
C&R
| is an OK sport. We have also ate some of them too, but mostly we fish
for
| the sport of it.
|

About holding the fish for a picture. There are two factors to take into
account here.
The time out of water and the angle you hold the lower jaw. Simply put,
take the picture as
quickly as possible and hold the fish such that gravity isn't causing too
much pressure on
the lower jaw and joint.

Of course try not to remove too much mucous off the fish when handling it.
It is there to
protect the fish from bacteria and parasites.

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm



Thanks Dave, I knew about the water, they can't be out long and didn't
think it hurt to hold them by the lower jaw for a quick picture. That is
true if you tried to hold it and your hand wasn't wet that would for sure
hurt the fish. Although I didn't know the reason why your hands had to be
wet, I'm a little squeamish, so I have used a very wet rag. I'm not a big
fisherman, err fisher lady, but I live on a lake and I love to fish. I
have since I was a kid and don't have to catch a monster to make me happy,
but is would be nice.

Fishing question
 

"Terry Lomax" wrote in message
oups.com...
Stinkweed wrote:
"Scottish Fly Fisher" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:08:22 -0600, "Stinkweed"
wrote:

How do you all feel about fish and release. I love to fish, but I
don't
like to eat the fish so they are released, when I mention this some
people
feels that it is not a nice thing to do. You should fish to eat or not
fish
at all. I'm just curious as to what the opinion of this group is.

Anyone who says all fish should be kept is a PETA nut. Believe it or
not, many parts of Europe FORCE all caught fish to be killed. If the
fish is only 3 inches long, it must be killed. If the fish is an
endangered species, it must be killed. If the species is inedible, it
must be killed. If a fish contains toxins (lead, chlordane, mercury,
etc) and therefore cannot be consumed, it must be killed.

For example, where I live, lake sturgeon are endangered, plus they're
on a toxin list. If PETA had their way, a catfisherman would be forced
to keep a toxic endangered sturgeon caught incidentally while fishing
for Cat.

Some meathog nuts try to use the PETA nuts as an excuse to rationalize
meathogging. For example, In-Fisherman had a terrible editorial in the
early 1990s; IIRC it had "Tofu" in the title. The editorial writer of
this Bible-thumping publication (with the attitude of "God created fish
to be eaten by people"), claimed that pure C&R anglers MUST not
complain when people keep fish. To their credit, In-Fisherman did use
the term "Selective Harvest" which SHOULD include 100% C&R.

I catch and release all the time. I only take a fish very
occasionally.

I've caught over 1000 fish this year, eaten 2, used no more than 10
others as bait. The two I kept were an invasive species so I was
helping the ecosystem. The bait were Gizzard Shad and common minnow
species. A few dozen of the fish I released probably died, but most of
them were sunfish, low on the food chain, probably consumed by turtles
shortly after they died.

Those people who believe that you should only "fish to eat," as you
put it, are missing an important point... there are very few people in
the developed world who need to fish as a matter of survival. We do it
for pleasure. If anybody can't handle that simple fact of life, they
need to see a proctologist to assist them with the removal of their
heads from the orifice from which they are pontificating.

If expert fishermen were forced to keep every fish, they'd have to quit
early into a fishing session as they'd reach their limit quickly.

that are"not nice." Don't concern yourself with the judgment of
ignorant hypocrites. Why should you waste your breath trying to
justify yourself to the likes of them?

In parts of Europe, those ignorant hypocrites succeeded in creating
laws banning catch-and-release. Normally I don't condone
passive-aggressive behavior, but in those waters, I suggest anglers let
the fish "miraculously" get away at the bank or the side of the boat.
"Whoops, the fish slipped out of my hands!"

Some pay lakes have rules prohibiting catch-and-release. Whatever you
catch, you must pay by the pound.

Then there are those who believe that C&R has little to contribute to
conservation of wild stock, so you might as well take the fish you
catch home, but at least their argument is cogent. They will tell you
that C&R is a pointless exercise. Sadly, this is a valid POV.

C&R _IS_ good. This past summer I caught a Channel Catfish with half a
barbel missing. Caught what was probably the same Channel Catfish on a
different bait two months later, two inches longer. In parts of
Europe, some specimen Carp are well-known for their distinctive
features, having been caught and released multiple times. This shows
that the "no effect" is NOT a valid POV.

The only time it's valid is if the fish is likely to die, for example
Walleye tournaments might as well keep their Walleye because most of
them die. Many deep water fish have their swim bladders explode, so
it'd be a waste to release them.

All in all, it is down to personal choice and I choose to C&R.

As long as you treat the fish properly, it has little chance of
suffering any long term problems from being hooked. Have a look here.
http://www.letsflyfish.com/candr.htm It's on Ally Gowan's site, (the
man who gave us Ally's Shrimp.) I happen to agree with his take on the
C&R debate.

The trouble is, I've seen some fishermen abuse fish when they are
C&Ring. The last time I was out stockie bashing, I saw an idiot drag a
trout right up the bank, (which was sandy,) take the hook out of the
fish, before picking it up with dry hands and throwing it back in the
water. I don't give that trout much chance of survival.

Some people kill fish by using abrasive gloves which rub off the
protective slime. That's just one type of mishandling. Abusive
mishandling is extremely common.


John

http://groups.msn.com/scottishflyfisher

Some people suggest making it legal to keep mortally wounded trout.
This is bad because passive-aggressive meathogs would deliberately
abuse the fish to rationalize keeping them.

Ok, I will go one question more. Does it hurt the bass physically to
hold
it by the lower lip to take a picture or to take the hook out? I have
been
told this is cruel and it does hurt the fish. I have also been told it
hurts the fish when it is hooked. I'm not trying to start trouble here,
these are things that have been told to me and I just want to know if
they
are true or if the people were just giving me a bad time.

Fish probably feel pain, but the pain is only a tiny percentage as
painful as human pain. Fish are a lot tougher than people. It's best
to minimize handling and get them back in the water ASAP. Holding a
large fish vertically out of the water is bad for their internal organs
(I believe many of the TV tournament bass die, as they're held out of
the water for huge amounts of time). I don't like Bass tournaments
anyway because Bass are homebodies, and they're taken miles from their
home territory.

One way C&R can be even worse than meathogging: imagine a meat angler
catching a limit of 4 trout and keeping the 4, then quitting fishing.
Then imagine a C&R angler catching and releasing 50 trout with a 90%
survival rate: he killed 5 trout and didn't utilize them.

Some lure anglers are snobs, saying bait users kill more fish. In
reality, when a fish swallows a baited hook, we quickly cut the line,
while a lure user will keep a fish out of the water for many minutes
trying to salvage a more expensive lure. Lure anglers often hold fish
out of the water for huge amounts of time.

Any fish not released unharmed immediately counts against an angler's
limit.

A high percentage of kept fish are illegal: out of season, protected
size, illegal method, etc. On one trip I was at a boat ramp where a
redneck family caught a Largemouth within a protected 12-15" slot limit
range. I told them the fish was illegal, but the redneck scum kept the
fish anyway. It's good to get the license plate numbers and boat
registration numbers of poachers.

One common meathog rationalization occurs on long travels. Meathogs
from out of state think they must keep fish to help pay for their trip.
For rare homebody species such as smallmouth bass, one meathog can
ruin an entire stretch of stream. Usually such meathogs are from out
of state, for example Southerners are known for often practicing catch
and release, but many northerners practice a bizarre Yankee ritual
called "shore lunch". I remember on one local outdoors radio show, a
Yankee called to say he had visited the (southern) state and kept a
limit of smallmouth on a stream, then thrown away all the fish uneaten
because he saw some small grubs in the fish. The host pointed out that
the grubs are harmless to people and die when cooked, and that most
locals have an understanding to release all smallmouth. The host could
barely control his anger at the meathog Yankee. Catch-and-release
southerners have a message for those meathogs: Yankee go home!


Why would the people in Europe force the people to keep even 3 inch fish,
that doesn't make sense? Or for that matter fish on the endangered list.
That makes even less sense. There should be a law not to kill them.

I think the Sturgeon are running here right now, not positive. I live in
one of those "Yankee" states. BG But we don't go down South to fish,
darn the fishing is so good here why would we want to go South? :-Pffft.

I'm not into Bass tournaments, we just have them in our lake and if we catch
an especially large one we will take a picture of it. Then release it to
let it grow and maybe catch it again at a later date. I know people who are
though and I can't condemn them. This is what they enjoy doing the same as
we enjoy doing what we do.

Fishing question
 

On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:13:17 -0600, "Stinkweed"
wrote:


"Scottish Fly Fisher" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:08:22 -0600, "Stinkweed"
wrote:

How do you all feel about fish and release. I love to fish, but I don't
like to eat the fish so they are released, when I mention this some people
feels that it is not a nice thing to do. You should fish to eat or not
fish
at all. I'm just curious as to what the opinion of this group is.

I catch and release all the time. I only take a fish very
occasionally.

Those people who believe that you should only "fish to eat," as you
put it, are missing an important point... there are very few people in
the developed world who need to fish as a matter of survival. We do it
for pleasure. If anybody can't handle that simple fact of life, they
need to see a proctologist to assist them with the removal of their
heads from the orifice from which they are pontificating.

Unless they are vegans, (you can identify them by the pale complexion,
dry brittle hair and the plastic shoes,) they subscribe to a system
that provides them with meat and dairy produce through farming methods
that are"not nice." Don't concern yourself with the judgment of
ignorant hypocrites. Why should you waste your breath trying to
justify yourself to the likes of them?

Then there are those who believe that C&R has little to contribute to
conservation of wild stock, so you might as well take the fish you
catch home, but at least their argument is cogent. They will tell you
that C&R is a pointless exercise. Sadly, this is a valid POV.

All in all, it is down to personal choice and I choose to C&R.

As long as you treat the fish properly, it has little chance of
suffering any long term problems from being hooked. Have a look here.
http://www.letsflyfish.com/candr.htm It's on Ally Gowan's site, (the
man who gave us Ally's Shrimp.) I happen to agree with his take on the
C&R debate.

The trouble is, I've seen some fishermen abuse fish when they are
C&Ring. The last time I was out stockie bashing, I saw an idiot drag a
trout right up the bank, (which was sandy,) take the hook out of the
fish, before picking it up with dry hands and throwing it back in the
water. I don't give that trout much chance of survival.

John

http://groups.msn.com/scottishflyfisher

Ok, I will go one question more. Does it hurt the bass physically to hold
it by the lower lip to take a picture or to take the hook out? I have been
told this is cruel and it does hurt the fish. I have also been told it
hurts the fish when it is hooked. I'm not trying to start trouble here,
these are things that have been told to me and I just want to know if they
are true or if the people were just giving me a bad time.

Personally, I would wet my hands, getting them as cold as possible,
while the fish was still submerged in the net. Get the photographer
ready, while I was doing this, then hold the fish, horizontally, in
both hands, cradling it just behind the head while holding the caudal
peduncle.

I'm glad to hear that all of you, including David and Larry agree that C&R
is an OK sport. We have also ate some of them too, but mostly we fish for
the sport of it.

Well, if you find yourself being judged, you can sleep soundly at
night, because you have cared enough to explore what you practice.

John

http://groups.msn.com/scottishflyfisher

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"Stinkweed" wrote in message
...
How do you all feel about fish and release. I love to fish, but I don't
like to eat the fish so they are released, when I mention this some people
feels that it is not a nice thing to do. You should fish to eat or not
fish
at all. I'm just curious as to what the opinion of this group is.

--


I fish for fun, I work to eat and I golf to drink beer.

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"Terry Lomax" wrote in message
oups.com...

but many northerners practice a bizarre Yankee ritual
called "shore lunch".

I have been fishing for 40 years. First time I heard of "Shore Lunch" was at
Woodlands Park Colorado. I was fishing there one early cold morning in 1992
and saw this group along the bank cooking. (I always fished off the Dam). I
walked over being that I was nosy to see if they had caught anything. There
were 4 of them, I recall that they had about 50 trout. Stockers about 12
inches long. And they were frying them up. I am for the most part a C&R
fisherman with the exception of Catfish. Anyway, they had about 50. IIRC the
possesion limit was 8. They told me they were having "Shore Lunch" at 7 in
the morning. I know for a fact this group didnt eat 50 fish, were well in
excess of possesion limits and I have no doubt some were under 12 inches.
When the game warden came along later that morning, I sent him thier way.

Fishing question
 

I catch and release. If a fish is hooked deep or bleeding I keep it to eat.
I catch Bream and Bass, in the weedbeds, on top by the dozens, even a
more than a hundred on occassion. There is no way I could justify keep
them all.

Fishing question
 

"Jeff" wrote in message
...

"Terry Lomax" wrote in message
oups.com...

but many northerners practice a bizarre Yankee ritual
called "shore lunch".

I have been fishing for 40 years. First time I heard of "Shore Lunch" was
at
Woodlands Park Colorado. I was fishing there one early cold morning in
1992
and saw this group along the bank cooking. (I always fished off the Dam).
I
walked over being that I was nosy to see if they had caught anything.
There
were 4 of them, I recall that they had about 50 trout. Stockers about 12
inches long. And they were frying them up. I am for the most part a C&R
fisherman with the exception of Catfish. Anyway, they had about 50. IIRC
the
possesion limit was 8. They told me they were having "Shore Lunch" at 7 in
the morning. I know for a fact this group didnt eat 50 fish, were well in
excess of possesion limits and I have no doubt some were under 12 inches.
When the game warden came along later that morning, I sent him thier way.



To be honest, I had never heard of "shore lunch" before.

Fishing question
 

"Jeff" wrote in message
...

"Stinkweed" wrote in message
...
How do you all feel about fish and release. I love to fish, but I don't
like to eat the fish so they are released, when I mention this some
people
feels that it is not a nice thing to do. You should fish to eat or not
fish
at all. I'm just curious as to what the opinion of this group is.

--


I fish for fun, I work to eat and I golf to drink beer.


I fish for fun, I.. well, I fish for fun and enjoy life I am retired.

Fishing question
 

"Tightwad" wrote in message
...
I catch and release. If a fish is hooked deep or bleeding I keep it to eat.
I catch Bream and Bass, in the weedbeds, on top by the dozens, even a
more than a hundred on occassion. There is no way I could justify keep
them all.

I have not heard of Bream, where are you from?

Fishing question
 

Stinkweed wrote:


To be honest, I had never heard of "shore lunch" before.



Shore lunch is a common service provided by guides, especially Walleye,
and trout guides. Most of the time they catch a daily limit, then go to
the shore and fix it up for lunch, then continue fishing, keeping
another daily limit. It's not legal, but they have eaten the evidence of
keeping more than the daily limits.

I have to admit, eating fish that fresh on the bank somewhere, sure is a
great out door experience

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

Fishing question
 

Stinkweed wrote:


I have not heard of Bream, where are you from?

Almost everywhere in the US, they are great "little" pan fish, pound for
pound, out fighting everything, they are easy to catch and most kids
first fishing experience is catching them, they hit worms, and other
small insects . They are one of the best tasting fish in US waters




--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

Fishing question
 

Stinkweed wrote:

"Tightwad" wrote in message
...

I catch and release. If a fish is hooked deep or bleeding I keep it to eat.
I catch Bream and Bass, in the weedbeds, on top by the dozens, even a
more than a hundred on occassion. There is no way I could justify keep
them all.


I have not heard of Bream, where are you from?


Bream are known as Sunfish , Blugills, etc. This is on the tennessee
River System. These fish are all over North America so I assume you are
from elsewhere.

Fishing question
 

Stinkweed wrote:


Hey I like your paddle boat in the picture.

That's "Peddle"


That thing is the greatest , The trouble is, I can't keep the wife, kids
and grand kids out of it, so I can use it fishing, they scoot all over
the lake on it,, we have a 4 passenger peddle boat as well, but it is
slow compared to the Out Back fisherman. It is so stable, no one has
ever flipped it, my son can get 8 miles an hour when peddling it, it
actually throws a wake.


For those who don't know what fishing boat we are talking about, it's on
my home page, it's a Hobie Out Back Fisherman , you peddle it with
your feet so your hands are free to fish, you can still paddle it (which
is it's only reverse), it comes fully rigged for fishing, anchor, 4 rod
holders, tackle box, and even a cooler. It has wheels that you stick
under it and it can be rolled anywhere you can walk, although it only
weighs 67 pounds

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

Fishing question
 

Stinkweed wrote:
"Rodney" wrote in message
...
Stinkweed wrote:

I guess our last fish fry was Bream then, the Bluegill.


Yep, it covers a dozen or so related species

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

Fishing question
 

"Rodney" wrote in message
...
Stinkweed wrote:


To be honest, I had never heard of "shore lunch" before.

Shore lunch is a common service provided by guides, especially Walleye,
and trout guides. Most of the time they catch a daily limit, then go to
the shore and fix it up for lunch, then continue fishing, keeping another
daily limit. It's not legal, but they have eaten the evidence of keeping
more than the daily limits.

I have to admit, eating fish that fresh on the bank somewhere, sure is a
great out door experience

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

Thanks for explaining this to me, I had never heard of this before. My
brother has told me before that he has fished and eaten some trout that he
caught right after catching them and he said there is no better taste. I
was surprised at the attitude as I know my brother wouldn't do anything
wrong like kill them just for the fun of it. This summer when our son come
out with his kids, we fished on the lake for perch and had fish fries, I
know the fish did taste very good and we ate all that we caught. But Bass,
we put back, no matter how big.
Hey I like your paddle boat in the picture. We have a pontoon and we fish
off it a lot, but our favorite is to take our 2 person paddle boat out and
fish off it. Good exercise and lots of fun. When we use it we use don't
laugh ice fishing poles because they are so small that the work perfect
with the paddle boat.

Fishing question
 

"Tightwad" wrote in message
...
Stinkweed wrote:

"Tightwad" wrote in message
...

I catch and release. If a fish is hooked deep or bleeding I keep it to
eat.
I catch Bream and Bass, in the weedbeds, on top by the dozens, even a
more than a hundred on occassion. There is no way I could justify keep
them all.


I have not heard of Bream, where are you from?
Bream are known as Sunfish , Blugills, etc. This is on the tennessee River
System. These fish are all over North America so I assume you are from
elsewhere.

OK, just never heard of them called that I guess. Yes, the Bluegills and
Sunfish do put up a great fight, you think "boy do I have a whopper this
time" only to find it is a Bluegill. I find Perch fun to catch too. I
would like to catch a Big Northern one day, but we will have to get a more
portable boat to fish in another lake. All we have right now is a pontoon.
It is already pulled out for the winter now. :-(

Fishing question
 

"Rodney" wrote in message
...
Stinkweed wrote:


I have not heard of Bream, where are you from?

Almost everywhere in the US, they are great "little" pan fish, pound for
pound, out fighting everything, they are easy to catch and most kids first
fishing experience is catching them, they hit worms, and other small
insects . They are one of the best tasting fish in US waters




--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

I guess our last fish fry was Bream then, the Bluegill.

Fishing question
 

"Rodney" wrote in message
...
Stinkweed wrote:


Hey I like your paddle boat in the picture.

That's "Peddle"


That thing is the greatest , The trouble is, I can't keep the wife, kids
and grand kids out of it, so I can use it fishing, they scoot all over the
lake on it,, we have a 4 passenger peddle boat as well, but it is slow
compared to the Out Back fisherman. It is so stable, no one has ever
flipped it, my son can get 8 miles an hour when peddling it, it actually
throws a wake.


For those who don't know what fishing boat we are talking about, it's on
my home page, it's a Hobie Out Back Fisherman , you peddle it with your
feet so your hands are free to fish, you can still paddle it (which is
it's only reverse), it comes fully rigged for fishing, anchor, 4 rod
holders, tackle box, and even a cooler. It has wheels that you stick under
it and it can be rolled anywhere you can walk, although it only weighs 67
pounds

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

I never noticed as I just went through there really fast, do you sell them?
How much? We just got Kayaks summer before last and have enjoyed them a
great deal, but I can't fish in them. My husband won't even try. Are they
easier to use than the paddle boat? I know after awhile my legs get pretty
tired in it even with my husband peddling too. But I need him there with me
to get the fish off the hook for me. I'm learning to do it, but he can do
it much quicker and get the fish back in the water. I actually like to fish
more than he does. He wants to come in way before I do. So we compromise
and stay just a little longer. :-)

Fishing question
 

"Stinkweed" wrote in message
...

"Jeff" wrote in message
...

"Stinkweed" wrote in message
...
How do you all feel about fish and release. I love to fish, but I
don't
like to eat the fish so they are released, when I mention this some
people
feels that it is not a nice thing to do. You should fish to eat or not
fish
at all. I'm just curious as to what the opinion of this group is.

--


I fish for fun, I work to eat and I golf to drink beer.


I fish for fun, I.. well, I fish for fun and enjoy life I am retired.



Me too. Retired Military. Came back from Iraq (Government COntractor) in
April and spent 5 months just fishing every day. Thought I would get tired
of fishing but never did.

Fishing question
 

"Stinkweed" wrote in message
...

"Tightwad" wrote in message
...
I catch and release. If a fish is hooked deep or bleeding I keep it to
eat.
I catch Bream and Bass, in the weedbeds, on top by the dozens, even a
more than a hundred on occassion. There is no way I could justify keep
them all.

I have not heard of Bream, where are you from?



Down here in the South we have tons of Bream, back where I am originally
from (Maryland) we called them Spot.

Fishing question
 

"Jeff" wrote in message
...

"Stinkweed" wrote in message
...

"Jeff" wrote in message
...

"Stinkweed" wrote in message
...
How do you all feel about fish and release. I love to fish, but I
don't
like to eat the fish so they are released, when I mention this some
people
feels that it is not a nice thing to do. You should fish to eat or
not
fish
at all. I'm just curious as to what the opinion of this group is.

--


I fish for fun, I work to eat and I golf to drink beer.


I fish for fun, I.. well, I fish for fun and enjoy life I am retired.



Me too. Retired Military. Came back from Iraq (Government COntractor) in
April and spent 5 months just fishing every day. Thought I would get tired
of fishing but never did.


Thank you for what you have sacrificed/done for our country. I can't think
of a better way to come home and heal than to pick up a fishing pole and go
fishing. There is something so relaxing yet exciting about fishing.
Fishing is over here for the season unless I do it from the bank, as the
boat has been brought in along with the dock. We are going to have some
nice days coming up though so maybe I can throw my line out before the week
is over. :-)

Fishing question
 

"Jeff" wrote in message
...

"Stinkweed" wrote in message
...

"Tightwad" wrote in message
...
I catch and release. If a fish is hooked deep or bleeding I keep it to
eat.
I catch Bream and Bass, in the weedbeds, on top by the dozens, even a
more than a hundred on occassion. There is no way I could justify keep
them all.

I have not heard of Bream, where are you from?



Down here in the South we have tons of Bream, back where I am originally
from (Maryland) we called them Spot.


I'm not familiar with Spot either. We just call a Bluegill a Bluegill and a
Sunfish a Sunfish. Seems like I might have heard them refered to as Panfish
though.

Fishing question
 

I think Sunfish covers it. I'm not anything on Fish Biology.
We have Red Ear Sunfish, Pumpkin Seeds, Shell Crackers and several other
distinctively different ones. The Shell Crackers are the largest,
usually, sometimes weighing over 1 1/2 lb.
You can catch a bit of everything that swims in the weed beds.
I've caught many many Bass up to six pounds, Catfish, Crappie, White
Bass, and Hybrid Bass and Stiped Bass even a few Sauger.
I had such a high pressure job, that every evening I would go to the
weedbed with Poppers and catch countless fish.

Fishing question
 

Stinkweed wrote:

I never noticed as I just went through there really fast, do you sell them?


No,, I just love mine

http://www.hobiecat.com/fishing/mode...fisherman.html


How much?

Well they are not cheap for a Kayak, that's because of the "peddle drive"
We just got Kayaks summer before last and have enjoyed them a
great deal, but I can't fish in them. My husband won't even try.

This is no regular Kayak it's actually designed just for fishing, super
stable, they are not designed to be rolled. I didn't even put my bass
boat in the water last season (I did go with others in their boats)
every time I went fishing alone, I just took the Out Back
Are they
easier to use than the paddle boat?


You mean "peddle boat", many times easier , the peddles don't turn a
wheel, they activate flippers, on the underside of the boat, these have
Zero drag, you can peddle once and coast 25 feet. You can peddle real,
real, slow, about as slow as you can move your feet and the thing will
go about walking speed on the ground (2 to 3 miles an hour) you also
don't have to do a full peddle, you can just move your feet a couple of
inches back and forth
I know after awhile my legs get pretty
tired in it even with my husband peddling too.

It takes so little effort with the Out Back, you just pace yourself, now
if you want to get a work out, you can peddle fast, and you will go
faster than any other human powered boat on the water, even faster than
one of them skinny racing row boats

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

Fishing question
 

On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:21:42 -0600, Rodney wrote:

Stinkweed wrote:


To be honest, I had never heard of "shore lunch" before.



Shore lunch is a common service provided by guides, especially Walleye,
and trout guides. Most of the time they catch a daily limit, then go to
the shore and fix it up for lunch, then continue fishing, keeping
another daily limit. It's not legal, but they have eaten the evidence of
keeping more than the daily limits.

Hmm. The way I've read about it, I didn't think they cooked up a
whole limit. That's usually several fish per person. A wee bit too
filling for a lunch, especially with legal walleye. Never occurred
to me that some might do it to avoid limit rules. Just the taste of
the fish and the fun of them being fresh caught would be the thrill
for me.

I have to admit, eating fish that fresh on the bank somewhere, sure is a
great out door experience


Cyli
r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels.
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli
email: lid (strip the .invalid to email)

Fishing question
 

Cyli wrote:
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:21:42 -0600, Rodney wrote:

Stinkweed wrote:

To be honest, I had never heard of "shore lunch" before.


Shore lunch is a common service provided by guides, especially Walleye,
and trout guides. Most of the time they catch a daily limit, then go to
the shore and fix it up for lunch, then continue fishing, keeping
another daily limit. It's not legal, but they have eaten the evidence of
keeping more than the daily limits.

Hmm. The way I've read about it, I didn't think they cooked up a
whole limit. That's usually several fish per person. A wee bit too
filling for a lunch, especially with legal walleye. Never occurred
to me that some might do it to avoid limit rules.

The trips that I have been on, the shore lunch consumption was not added
to the afternoons catch, but on these trips (fly in's) every fish that
was kept, was consumed, none were flown out (walleye 2 meals a day for
7 days, and I still didn't get bored with eating it)

Since the law was you could not transport over one day's catch, a 7 day
trip meant eating every thing that was caught and kept the first 6 days,
few people can eat more than a daily limit in a day's fishing, unless
some were not fishing in the group, over daily limits were seldom kept

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

Fishing question
 

"Rodney" wrote in message
...
Stinkweed wrote:

I never noticed as I just went through there really fast, do you sell
them?


No,, I just love mine

http://www.hobiecat.com/fishing/mode...fisherman.html


How much?

Well they are not cheap for a Kayak, that's because of the "peddle drive"
We just got Kayaks summer before last and have enjoyed them a great deal,
but I can't fish in them. My husband won't even try.

This is no regular Kayak it's actually designed just for fishing, super
stable, they are not designed to be rolled. I didn't even put my bass boat
in the water last season (I did go with others in their boats) every time
I went fishing alone, I just took the Out Back
Are they easier to use than the paddle boat?


You mean "peddle boat", many times easier , the peddles don't turn a
wheel, they activate flippers, on the underside of the boat, these have
Zero drag, you can peddle once and coast 25 feet. You can peddle real,
real, slow, about as slow as you can move your feet and the thing will go
about walking speed on the ground (2 to 3 miles an hour) you also don't
have to do a full peddle, you can just move your feet a couple of inches
back and forth
I know after awhile my legs get pretty tired in it even with my husband
peddling too.

It takes so little effort with the Out Back, you just pace yourself, now
if you want to get a work out, you can peddle fast, and you will go faster
than any other human powered boat on the water, even faster than one of
them skinny racing row boats

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

Sounds very interesting, I have called my little peddle boat a paddle boat
for so long it is going to be hard to remember I am using the wrong name. I
will have to go back and take another look at it.

Fishing question
 

"Rodney" wrote in message
...
Cyli wrote:
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:21:42 -0600, Rodney wrote:

Stinkweed wrote:

To be honest, I had never heard of "shore lunch" before.

Shore lunch is a common service provided by guides, especially Walleye,
and trout guides. Most of the time they catch a daily limit, then go to
the shore and fix it up for lunch, then continue fishing, keeping
another daily limit. It's not legal, but they have eaten the evidence of
keeping more than the daily limits.

Hmm. The way I've read about it, I didn't think they cooked up a
whole limit. That's usually several fish per person. A wee bit too
filling for a lunch, especially with legal walleye. Never occurred
to me that some might do it to avoid limit rules.

The trips that I have been on, the shore lunch consumption was not added
to the afternoons catch, but on these trips (fly in's) every fish that was
kept, was consumed, none were flown out (walleye 2 meals a day for 7
days, and I still didn't get bored with eating it)

Since the law was you could not transport over one day's catch, a 7 day
trip meant eating every thing that was caught and kept the first 6 days,
few people can eat more than a daily limit in a day's fishing, unless some
were not fishing in the group, over daily limits were seldom kept

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

I have never been on a fishing trip like that, my fishing has just been on
lakes with a boat of your own or you rent a boat. With the exception of a
boat trip out on the Gulf of Mexico to deep sea fish and that turned out not
to be so good as I got sea sick. I caught a couple but I don't even know
what they were and I gave them to friends.

Fishing question
 

wrote in message ...
I think Sunfish covers it. I'm not anything on Fish Biology.
We have Red Ear Sunfish, Pumpkin Seeds, Shell Crackers and several other
distinctively different ones. The Shell Crackers are the largest, usually,
sometimes weighing over 1 1/2 lb.
You can catch a bit of everything that swims in the weed beds.
I've caught many many Bass up to six pounds, Catfish, Crappie, White Bass,
and Hybrid Bass and Stiped Bass even a few Sauger.
I had such a high pressure job, that every evening I would go to the
weedbed with Poppers and catch countless fish.

I think fishing is one of the most relaxing hobbies there is as long as you
don't take it really serious. Just go out there for fun and relaxation and
always hope your going to catch that really big one.
My biggest bass, I didn't weigh but he was 17 1/2 inches long. I caught him
right off our dock. Then the Bluegill and alot of Perch are in the lake. I
caught one that was really weird that I have no idea what it was, it was
short it was not a Rock Bass, but had the mouth of a Bass, but absolutely
huge red eyes. I didn't take it's picture and could kick myself for not
doing it. It fought like the devil. We also have Walleye, Pike and I'm not
sure if there are Northerns in this lake or not. I know there are Crappie
and I'm not sure what else. What is a Hybrid Bass? I have never seen a
White Bass either. Shell Crackers is new to me also.

Fishing question
 

White Bass is a freshwater Striped Bass.
A Hybrid is a cross between the fresh water Striped Bass and Salt water
Striped Bass.
A shell Cracker is just another type of Bream it is a thicker and
larger in general. It has a more yellow bellie than some others. I'm
not sure why they are called that.

Fishing question
 

wrote in message ...
I think Sunfish covers it.

A Spot isnt a Sunfish. Here's a link:

http://www.chesapeakebay.net/info/spot.cfm

A Bream is a Bluegill. Go to this link and scroll down to Bluegill and read:

http://floridafisheries.com/Fishes/panfish.html

Fishing question
 

"Jeff" wrote in message
...

wrote in message ...
I think Sunfish covers it.

A Spot isnt a Sunfish. Here's a link:

http://www.chesapeakebay.net/info/spot.cfm

A Bream is a Bluegill. Go to this link and scroll down to Bluegill and
read:

http://floridafisheries.com/Fishes/panfish.html




And a certain species of Sunfish is called a Bream as well. On that link
above, scroll down to the third fish (a sunfish) and read that.

Fishing question
 

"Jeff" wrote in message
...

"Jeff" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
I think Sunfish covers it.

A Spot isnt a Sunfish. Here's a link:

http://www.chesapeakebay.net/info/spot.cfm

A Bream is a Bluegill. Go to this link and scroll down to Bluegill and
read:

http://floridafisheries.com/Fishes/panfish.html




And a certain species of Sunfish is called a Bream as well. On that link
above, scroll down to the third fish (a sunfish) and read that.



Looking further, I see something I didnt know. Black Crappie (Which I always
called Black Crappie) are also called White Perch. White Perch where I am
from are an entirely different species.