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George Cleveland November 10th, 2005 12:37 AM

Anyone Here Have a Republican Congressman
 
If so then give him a call *tonight* and ask that he vote to remove
against the budget reconciliation bill until Richard Pombo's public
land giveaway is removed.

http://www.tu.org/siteapps/advocacy/...NuFmG&b=376957

http://www.bettermines.org/pombo.cfm


g.c.

George Cleveland November 10th, 2005 02:12 PM

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On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 18:37:46 -0600, George Cleveland
wrote:

If so then give him a call *tonight* and ask that he vote
against the budget reconciliation bill until Richard Pombo's public
land giveaway is removed.

http://www.tu.org/siteapps/advocacy/...NuFmG&b=376957

http://www.bettermines.org/pombo.cfm


g.c.



The Pombo proposal made it through the Rules committee, although ANWR
didn't.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...la-home-nation

The only hope to defeat the porvision is to have the entire budget
reconciliation bill defeated.


g.c.

FlyCaughtInTree November 10th, 2005 02:35 PM

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Just heard a news report on NPR that the Senate will probably block the
bill unless the ANWR thing is put back in. The Pombo proposal might be
moot if the bill gets ripped up in conference.
I have a Red congressman, but I doubt if he would care one way or the
other, probably leaning for it. We here in Texas would probably not be
affected, since we have no Federal public lands.


Johnson November 10th, 2005 04:33 PM

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Great post. Thanks for the heads up. Seems Pombo and Bush are in
cahoots with trying to ruin our nations great public lands, and in turn
the fragile coldwater fisheries we cherish.


Big Dale November 10th, 2005 06:09 PM

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My republican congressman seems to take pride in voting against
anything that I am for. I am suggesting that we vote agains ALL
politicians that are in office now on all levels of government. "I want
a different bunch of idiots."

Big Dale


Willi November 10th, 2005 07:07 PM

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THIS ****ES ME OFF!

This was one of my biggest fears when the present administration was
elected and my fears were amplified when Gale Norton was appointed as
the Secretary of the Interior. Gale Norton (who used to serve in my home
state CO) is in favor of managing OUR public lands by the principal of
"highest and best use" ie the usage that can produce the most (often
short term)income. (She was a member of the think tank Mountain States
Legal Foundation. Do some research on the think tank to see how they/she
feels our public lands should be managed)

This case goes even beyond being managed for the "highest and best use".
The sales would be MUCH below market value.

What's especially obnoxious to me is that, in a typical sleazy political
maneuver, it's just a "little" rider that got attached to a much larger
complicated Bill without any public input.

First we get "nothing" for the land and once that land is sold, we ain't
ever getting it back.

THIS SUX!!!

Willi

rw November 10th, 2005 07:43 PM

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Willi wrote:

THIS SUX!!!


It will be reversed when the Democrats win control of the House and the
Senate in 2006. :-)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Fat Freddy November 10th, 2005 07:46 PM

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I can't afford one.
If I were rich I might buy a couple though.

Larry L November 10th, 2005 07:51 PM

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"Willi" wrote

Gale Norton (who used to serve in my home
state CO) is in favor of managing OUR public lands by the principal of
"highest and best use" ie the usage that can produce the most (often short
term)income.


Pombo is a 'local' rancher/developer whose major ideology is "more money in
MY pocket, **** the future" He seems to have used millions of his own
money to gain office for the specific reason of profiting on those millions
spent by changing laws ( Endangered Species Act, for one ) that were slowing
his personal efforts to destroy as much of California as possible, as fast
as possible. TRUE scum and, therefore, I'm sure Bush must love him.

Let's all wave our flags, chant a mantra about 'protecting the American
people' and then do something to screw them while they aren't looking ....



David Snedeker November 11th, 2005 12:07 AM

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"Willi" wrote in message
...
THIS ****ES ME OFF!

SNIP
What's especially obnoxious to me is that, in a typical sleazy political
maneuver, it's just a "little" rider that got attached to a much larger
complicated Bill without any public input.

First we get "nothing" for the land and once that land is sold, we ain't
ever getting it back.

THIS SUX!!!

Willi


Where's the Unibomber when we really need him. (Just joking FBI screener)
;-II

Dave



Mike Connor November 11th, 2005 12:08 AM

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"David Snedeker" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
. ..
SNIP
Where's the Unibomber when we really need him. (Just joking FBI screener)
;-II

Dave


That´s "Unabomber".

http://www.thecourier.com/manifest.htm

MC

Ideology stinks.



David Snedeker November 11th, 2005 12:11 AM

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"Larry L" wrote in message
...

"Willi" wrote

Gale Norton (who used to serve in my home
state CO) is in favor of managing OUR public lands by the principal of
"highest and best use" ie the usage that can produce the most (often

short
term)income.


Pombo is a 'local' rancher/developer whose major ideology is "more money

in
MY pocket, **** the future" He seems to have used millions of his own
money to gain office for the specific reason of profiting on those

millions
spent by changing laws ( Endangered Species Act, for one ) that were

slowing
his personal efforts to destroy as much of California as possible, as fast
as possible. TRUE scum and, therefore, I'm sure Bush must love him.

Let's all wave our flags, chant a mantra about 'protecting the American
people' and then do something to screw them while they aren't looking ....


Bottomline is that the greed of this kind of scum is not usually intimidated
by anything short of physical fear.

Dave





[email protected] November 11th, 2005 12:15 AM

Anyone Here Have a Republican Congressman
 
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:07:15 -0700, Willi wrote:

THIS ****ES ME OFF!

This was one of my biggest fears when the present administration was
elected and my fears were amplified when Gale Norton was appointed as
the Secretary of the Interior. Gale Norton (who used to serve in my home
state CO) is in favor of managing OUR public lands by the principal of
"highest and best use" ie the usage that can produce the most (often
short term)income. (She was a member of the think tank Mountain States
Legal Foundation. Do some research on the think tank to see how they/she
feels our public lands should be managed)

This case goes even beyond being managed for the "highest and best use".
The sales would be MUCH below market value.

What's especially obnoxious to me is that, in a typical sleazy political
maneuver, it's just a "little" rider that got attached to a much larger
complicated Bill without any public input.

First we get "nothing" for the land and once that land is sold, we ain't
ever getting it back.

THIS SUX!!!

Willi


FWIW, you might want to look at more of the story and the rider itself.

For example, on the site George cited, there are several categories of
"outside" links. One category is "News Coverage" and the first link,

"Critics assail federal mining measure, Associated Press, 11/09/05"

goes to this:

http://www.theminingnews.org/news.cfm?newsID=1595

However, clicking on the "complete article" link (required for the
partial "quote") gets at least two sides of the story:

http://www.casperstartribune.net/art...b4000594ac.txt

Is the other side right or even accurate? Well, one will have to decide
for oneself, but I'd say that folks not having the whole story is a big
part of what you are ****ed off about. The way it was, er, "partially
quoted" suggests that the whole story getting coverage is not what the
folks running "theminingnews.com" want.

For example, this little item from the "complete article:"

"The bill exempts national parks, monuments and wilderness areas."

Easy to check, and if you find it to be accurate, it exempts quite a bit
of "public" land. That said, I'd readily agree that the "pro-rider"
folks in general aren't interested in the other side being heard either,
and many on that side would probably run as roughshod over things as
they felt like they would/could get away with.

Remember, the Congressional Record (http://www.gpoaccess.gov/crecord/)
is your friend...well, OK, so it probably isn't, so here's some help:

Go he

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...:h4241rh.t xt

and do a page search (it isn't a search box at the site - for example,
use "Edit" -- "Find (on This Page)" if using IE) for "Subtitle
B--Miscellaneous Amendments Relating to Mining."

TC,
R



David Snedeker November 11th, 2005 12:27 AM

Anyone Here Have a Republican Congressman
 

"George Cleveland" wrote in message
...
If so then give him a call *tonight* and ask that he vote to remove
against the budget reconciliation bill until Richard Pombo's public
land giveaway is removed.

http://www.tu.org/siteapps/advocacy/...NuFmG&b=376957

http://www.bettermines.org/pombo.cfm


g.c.


Get real, how many of these gutless swine have even spoken up in the face of
all the corruption, fraud, incompetence, espionage, lies, torture, and
treason of the Bushies? It isn't about the USA anymore for these scum . . .
its just protecting their partisan funnel for all the bribes they can pack
in before the gravytrain crashes. And from what Ive seen your average
Republican voter these days is either too embarrassed or cowed to speak up,
or is still repeating 6 year old Monica blowjob jokes and staying half
soused. And the Christian whackjobs are running amuck.

Damn few intelligent Republicans are speaking up. (Hegel, Graham, McCain).

Dave





Wolfgang November 11th, 2005 01:06 AM

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"David Snedeker" wrote in message
. ..

"Larry L" wrote in message
...

"Willi" wrote

Gale Norton (who used to serve in my home
state CO) is in favor of managing OUR public lands by the principal of
"highest and best use" ie the usage that can produce the most (often

short
term)income.


Pombo is a 'local' rancher/developer whose major ideology is "more money

in
MY pocket, **** the future" He seems to have used millions of his own
money to gain office for the specific reason of profiting on those

millions
spent by changing laws ( Endangered Species Act, for one ) that were

slowing
his personal efforts to destroy as much of California as possible, as
fast
as possible. TRUE scum and, therefore, I'm sure Bush must love him.

Let's all wave our flags, chant a mantra about 'protecting the American
people' and then do something to screw them while they aren't looking
....


Bottomline is that the greed of this kind of scum is not usually
intimidated
by anything short of physical fear.


You STILL believe that scum of this sort is motivated by greed? Well, isn't
that just precious!

Is it any wonder that scum of this sort remains eternally leagues ahead of
you?

Wolfgang
greed, as an ideology, is passé.......been that way for centuries.
sucks.......ainna? :)



Wolfgang November 11th, 2005 01:08 AM

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"Mike Connor" wrote in message
...

"David Snedeker" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
. ..
SNIP
Where's the Unibomber when we really need him. (Just joking FBI screener)
;-II

Dave


That´s "Unabomber".

http://www.thecourier.com/manifest.htm

MC

Ideology stinks.


Hee, hee, hee.

And illiteracy swallows. :)

Wolfgang
hey, gitcher weekly readers!......gitem while there hot!......step right
up!.......



Johnson November 11th, 2005 02:32 AM

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The whole story is covered. the potential for the wholesale of a
hundred million acres of national forest and BLM land. That's where the
nations best trout streams are, bar none. We are talking about millions
of anglers losing access and their streams for forever. It alos appears
that the mining companies won't be the only folks digging in.

This is perhaps the greatest anti-fly fishing measure I have ever seen
proposed by congress.


[email protected] November 11th, 2005 03:02 AM

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On 10 Nov 2005 18:32:18 -0800, "Johnson"
wrote:

The whole story is covered.


Ah, well, if you are sure, that's good enough for me...

the potential for the wholesale of a
hundred million acres of national forest and BLM land.


Well, there's _potential_ for bigfoots...er, bigfeets...well, big hairy
sumbitches to come out of trees and eat babies...so let's be
prophylactic and cut down all the trees...or get rid of all the tempting
babies...LET'S DO SOMETHING FOR GAWDSAKES!!!

That's where the
nations best trout streams are, bar none. We are talking about millions
of anglers losing access and their streams for forever. It alos appears
that the mining companies won't be the only folks digging in.

This is perhaps the greatest anti-fly fishing measure I have ever seen
proposed by congress.


Uh, huh - so we should protect the FFing streams at the cost of the
national interest, or protect them for you, or...???...hmm...IAC, that
might not be enough...some rogue might not get in under the guise of
being a FFer. Let's REALLY protect things and just ban any and all
access. I know that a true conservationist such as yourself will be the
first to publicly pledge to never enter public land again because it
might damage things...

Eleven-and-half-eagles....dick


George Cleveland November 11th, 2005 05:31 AM

Anyone Here Have a Republican Congressman
 
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:02:47 -0600, wrote:

On 10 Nov 2005 18:32:18 -0800, "Johnson"
wrote:

The whole story is covered.


Ah, well, if you are sure, that's good enough for me...

the potential for the wholesale of a
hundred million acres of national forest and BLM land.


Well, there's _potential_ for bigfoots...er, bigfeets...well, big hairy
sumbitches to come out of trees and eat babies...so let's be
prophylactic and cut down all the trees...or get rid of all the tempting
babies...LET'S DO SOMETHING FOR GAWDSAKES!!!

That's where the
nations best trout streams are, bar none. We are talking about millions
of anglers losing access and their streams for forever. It alos appears
that the mining companies won't be the only folks digging in.

This is perhaps the greatest anti-fly fishing measure I have ever seen
proposed by congress.


Uh, huh - so we should protect the FFing streams at the cost of the
national interest, or protect them for you, or...???...hmm...IAC, that
might not be enough...some rogue might not get in under the guise of
being a FFer. Let's REALLY protect things and just ban any and all
access. I know that a true conservationist such as yourself will be the
first to publicly pledge to never enter public land again because it
might damage things...




Gee Richard. He's making the perfectly valid point that people would
probably lose access to land if it is owned by private corporations as
opposed to being owned by the public, be they fly fishers, deer
hunters or mushroom pickers. How you got from that to keeping everyone
but flyfishers off the land is beyond me.

Eleven-and-half-eagles....dick



That too.

g.c.

Johnson November 11th, 2005 12:56 PM

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Wow that was perhaps the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen posted.

What kind of coldwater fly fishermen advocates selling off the national
forests? You do know where the best trout fishing is, don't you?

But I guess TU is just lying, and you are the one with all the
knowledge.


David Snedeker November 11th, 2005 09:27 PM

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"Mike Connor" wrote in message
...

"David Snedeker" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
. ..
SNIP
Where's the Unibomber when we really need him. (Just joking FBI

screener)
;-II

Dave


That´s "Unabomber".

Must be the Unibomber's brother.

Excuse me Mike, but next time you live in a country ruled by a man who says
that God tells him which countries to invade, where the government protects
companies who defraud millions of their pensions, where the primative
religion of snake-handlers and illiterates defines what birth control
methods will be legal, where the poor are taxed so the rich will have more
to spend, and where angry children are often armed with automatic weapons, .
.. . maybe I'll listen to you for advise as to what is and what is not
reasonable.

Dave
Ideology fa schifo



David Snedeker November 11th, 2005 09:35 PM

Anyone Here Have a Republican Congressman
 

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

SNIP
You STILL believe that scum of this sort is motivated by greed? Well,

isn't
that just precious!

Is it any wonder that scum of this sort remains eternally leagues ahead of
you?

Wolfgang
greed, as an ideology, is passé.......been that way for centuries.
sucks.......ainna? :)


True to form, you once again reveal a near complete ignorance of current
events, much less the background of the key actors.

Im curious: as much as you pee on your feet, do you at least remove your
shoes when you enter other's houses? And . . . were you bit by the Weekly
Reader when you were a kid or what?

Dave



November 11th, 2005 09:43 PM

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In article ,
says...

"Mike Connor" wrote in message
...

"David Snedeker" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
. ..
SNIP
Where's the Unibomber when we really need him. (Just joking FBI

screener)
;-II

Dave


That?s "Unabomber".

Must be the Unibomber's brother.

Excuse me Mike, but next time you live in a country ruled by a man who says
that God tells him which countries to invade, where the government protects
companies who defraud millions of their pensions, where the primative
religion of snake-handlers and illiterates defines what birth control
methods will be legal, where the poor are taxed so the rich will have more
to spend, and where angry children are often armed with automatic weapons, .
. . maybe I'll listen to you for advise as to what is and what is not
reasonable.

Dave
Ideology fa schifo



You forgot dogs and cats living together........angry children armed
with automatic weapons???? Talk about fear-mongering.
- Ken

P.S. Before you give yourself a heart attack responding, do yourself a
favor and look up automatic weapons. Automatic weapons are practically
outlawed (there's about 200-300K mostly owned by Hollywood and
collectors) and are rarely used in crimes.

Mike Connor November 11th, 2005 09:53 PM

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"David Snedeker" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
. ..
SNIP
Must be the Unibomber's brother.

Excuse me Mike, but next time you live in a country ruled by a man who
says
that God tells him which countries to invade, where the government
protects
companies who defraud millions of their pensions, where the primative
religion of snake-handlers and illiterates defines what birth control
methods will be legal, where the poor are taxed so the rich will have more
to spend, and where angry children are often armed with automatic weapons,
.
. . maybe I'll listen to you for advise as to what is and what is not
reasonable.

Dave
Ideology fa schifo



I was not giving you advice, merely providing information which you
apparently lack. Should you seriously be of the opinion that such a man as
the unabomber would solve any of the problems you keep waffling about on
here, then you do not need advice, you need therapy.

QUOTE FROM WIKIPEDIA
Dr. Theodore John Kaczynski, Ph.D., also known as the Unabomber (born May
22, 1942) is a Polish-American terrorist who attempted to fight against what
he perceived as the evils of technological progress by sending mail bombs to
various people over almost eighteen years, killing three and wounding 29. He
was the target of the FBI's most expensive manhunt ever.

Before his identity was known, the FBI referred to him as the UNABOM (from
"university and airline bomber"). Variants of the code name appeared when
the media started using the codename, including Unabomer, and Unabomber.

UNQUOTE

MC











David Snedeker November 11th, 2005 10:32 PM

Anyone Here Have a Republican Congressman
 

wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

"Mike Connor" wrote in message
...

"David Snedeker" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
. ..
SNIP
Where's the Unibomber when we really need him. (Just joking FBI

screener)
;-II

Dave


That?s "Unabomber".

Must be the Unibomber's brother.

Excuse me Mike, but next time you live in a country ruled by a man who

says
that God tells him which countries to invade, where the government

protects
companies who defraud millions of their pensions, where the primative
religion of snake-handlers and illiterates defines what birth control
methods will be legal, where the poor are taxed so the rich will have

more
to spend, and where angry children are often armed with automatic

weapons, .
. . maybe I'll listen to you for advise as to what is and what is not
reasonable.

Dave
Ideology fa schifo



You forgot dogs and cats living together........angry children armed
with automatic weapons???? Talk about fear-mongering.
- Ken

P.S. Before you give yourself a heart attack responding, do yourself a
favor and look up automatic weapons. Automatic weapons are practically
outlawed (there's about 200-300K mostly owned by Hollywood and
collectors) and are rarely used in crimes.


Hey, I could go for a positive note. So . . . where might you suggest I
"look up automatic weapons" to get your sublime point of view. And please
let me know what non-automatic weapons the various kid shooting up their
school mates, and doing the drive-bys etc.. favor.

Or maybe we are going to revisit that canard of an argument that denies that
a glock is an automatic weapon and the very existance of assault rifles
depend on what the definition of "is," is. In which case please spare me
from such enlightenment.

Dave
Ideology fa schifo




Wolfgang November 11th, 2005 10:49 PM

Anyone Here Have a Republican Congressman
 

"David Snedeker" wrote in message
. ..

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

SNIP
You STILL believe that scum of this sort is motivated by greed? Well,

isn't
that just precious!

Is it any wonder that scum of this sort remains eternally leagues ahead
of
you?

Wolfgang
greed, as an ideology, is passé.......been that way for centuries.
sucks.......ainna? :)


True to form, you once again reveal a near complete ignorance of current
events, much less the background of the key actors.


Oh? There are new developments in your psychosis that I haven't been
informed of? DO tell! :)

Im curious:


Would that you actually were........it would make a difference in your life
that you can't imagine.

as much as you pee on your feet, do you at least remove your
shoes when you enter other's houses?


Having spent a good deal of time cleaning toilets, I've made of point
achieving good aim. If someone or something gets peed upon you may rest
assured that the warm wet sensation you experience so often is no accident.
And my shoes are a good deal cleaner than what is festering in your head.
That said, shoe removal on entry has been my default action for
years.......not that it's much of an issue......I don't get invited in all
that often.

And . . . were you bit by the Weekly
Reader when you were a kid or what?


I read it regularly throughout my years of elementary education....six,
maybe seven years. Upon greater exposure to the wider world.....school,
libraries, the street, etc., I quickly learned that there are other
commendable sources of information. Some of them even surpass "Weekly
Reader" in both breadth and depth of news coverage. Not that they aren't
still good.....they ARE....but an occasional peek at something else probably
wouldn't do you much harm at your age. But, go easy on the PG 13 stuff on
TV and at the movies unless your Mom says it's o.k.........o.k.?

Wolfgang
any of y'all ever get that strange tingly sorta premonition that your about
to get cuffed.......again!?



Wolfgang November 11th, 2005 10:54 PM

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wrote in message
...
...Automatic weapons are practically
outlawed....


So is crack......and crank.

Wolfgang
and not a moment too soon......whew! um......come to think of it, homicide
is practically outlawed too. well, it's good to know we won't have THAT to
worry about anymore! :)



Thomas Littleton November 12th, 2005 12:59 AM

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wrote in message
Uh, huh - so we should protect the FFing streams at the cost of the
national interest


I would see your side, if I could find one bit of "national interest" beyond
personal enrichment on lands purchased on behalf of the nation as a whole.
Even with the exemptions, why should the government be selling off(at
bargain rates) National Forest lands??
Plus, if it was in the "National Interest", they probably wouldn't have to
sneak it into legislation, but could proudly pass it as a stand alone
measure........just my guess.

Tom




Thomas Littleton November 12th, 2005 01:01 AM

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"Johnson" wrote in message
oups.com...

Wow that was perhaps the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen posted.


Puhleeze, you haven't read much of ROFF for very long have you?bseg
Tom



JR November 12th, 2005 01:24 AM

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Thomas Littleton wrote:

I would see your side, if I could find one bit of "national interest" beyond
personal enrichment on lands purchased on behalf of the nation as a whole.
Even with the exemptions, why should the government be selling off(at
bargain rates) National Forest lands??
Plus, if it was in the "National Interest", they probably wouldn't have to
sneak it into legislation, but could proudly pass it as a stand alone
measure........just my guess.


You can see the deficit reduction bill in its current form by going he

http://thomas.loc.gov ,

clicking on Search Bills and Resolutions, then typing in "HR 4241" for
the bill number.

The relevant sections are 6201 to 6207, under TITLE VI--COMMITTEE ON
RESOURCES, Subtitle B--Miscellaneous Amendments Relating to Mining.

At risk are millions of acres of National Forest land and Bureau of Land
Management land, which have almost endless hunting and fishing
opportunities..... opportunities now accessible to everyone, not just to
the scions of Dean Foods and their ilk.

Now maybe it's just me, but I tend to think that reclassification of
our public lands should only be done through an entirely open and
transparent process into which the public has significant input, not
through “miscellaneous amendments” to a budget bill.

JR





[email protected] November 12th, 2005 01:45 AM

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On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 00:59:37 GMT, "Thomas Littleton"
wrote:


wrote in message
Uh, huh - so we should protect the FFing streams at the cost of the
national interest


I would see your side, if I could find one bit of "national interest" beyond
personal enrichment on lands purchased on behalf of the nation as a whole.
Even with the exemptions, why should the government be selling off(at
bargain rates) National Forest lands??


First, I have no side in this, but that said, this all seems to be much
ado about nothing. It does not allow the selling off of vast amounts
of, much less anywhere near _all_, "public land." Also, I didn't say
this part of the HR _was_ in the national interest, I simply asked
(rhetorically) if the national interest should be a lesser issue than
protecting the "public" right to access (a few/some) trout streams.
Read up on this particular part of the whole issue, and look into some
of the background on the whole issue. For example, the "fake" bill he
(Pombo) circulated some time back about selling national monuments and
other stuff. Google up "Pombo Markey sale Frederick Olmstead" (Olmstead
was one of the parks - hopefully, it will work to cut down on unrelated
stuff) and you should see quite a bit, much of it leftish media-driven
hysteria about something Pombo plainly said he wasn't going to actually
introduce.

Plus, if it was in the "National Interest", they probably wouldn't have to
sneak it into legislation, but could proudly pass it as a stand alone
measure........just my guess.


There are lots of things that would be in the national interest that
would have to be disguised as Paris Hilton, carrying a Starflocks'
Frappacappamochabreeze, and washing a Bentley while wearing nothing but
a "Trumpthong" and a $485USD t-shirt to sneak it into legislation...for
example, a Bill authorizing...nay, _requiring_ the sale (final, "as is,
where is," with no warranties expressed or implied) of Paris Hilton to
the Yakuza, Donald Trump to the Chinese, and making the possession of a
Frappacappamochabreeze or anything remotely similar a Federal rap with
some serious time.

TC,
R





Wolfgang November 12th, 2005 02:45 AM

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wrote in message
...
...I have no side in this..


Hm.....

A lot like life its own self......ainna?

Wolfgang
who, eternal optimist, stands firm in the conviction that the boy will
discover that he has something to say.......someday......maybe.



BJ Conner November 12th, 2005 03:24 AM

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Wolfgang wrote:
wrote in message
...
...I have no side in this..


Hm.....

A lot like life its own self......ainna?

Wolfgang
who, eternal optimist, stands firm in the conviction that the boy will
discover that he has something to say.......someday......maybe.


He's a convincing argument that the best thing to do about the national
debt is to give Texas to the Chinese and call it good.


David Snedeker November 12th, 2005 04:55 AM

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"Mike Connor" wrote in message
...


Well Mike, perhaps my hyperbole went a little far in the "Where is the
Unibomber when we really need him" line, but my frustration with the
situation in my country is not an orphan, and well within the normal curve.

Dave
The only reason some people are still alive is because its against the law
to kill em. (FF: Canadian bumper sticker)



Mike Connor November 12th, 2005 05:18 AM

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"David Snedeker" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
. ..

"Mike Connor" wrote in message
...


Well Mike, perhaps my hyperbole went a little far in the "Where is the
Unibomber when we really need him" line, but my frustration with the
situation in my country is not an orphan, and well within the normal
curve.

Dave
The only reason some people are still alive is because its against the law
to kill em. (FF: Canadian bumper sticker)


Indeed, excessive hyperbole merely detracts from what one is trying to say.

While I often sympathise with a lot of what you say, I can not see it doing
anybody any good airing such grievances here. If you feel so strongly about
it, why are you not politically active? Petty squabbling on here, with
others who are in any case apparently well aware of the unfortunate
situations pertaining, is not going to get you anywhere at all.

Lots of people are frustrated at all sorts of things, not only in America.
This is a result of being more or less powerless to change things that one
feels are wrong, or that one disagrees with. Your only recourse in a
democracy, is to try and find other people who agree with you, and use this
collective power to change things.If you are unable to do this, it usually
means that not enough people care enough about it to do anything. This is
indeed usually the case.

People, groups, countries, invariably receive the officials and governments
they deserve. This is unfortunate for those who do not deserve it, but that
is democracy.

In a democracy, mediocrity rules, for the simple reason that there are more
mediocre people than any other. Obviously there are quite a few people who
are aware of corruption, lies, misdirection, etc etc. But they simply don´t
care. Those in power do what they do for their own reasons, and it would be
foolish in the extreme to imagine that this is liable to be the result of
altruism.

Enough.

TL
MC



David Snedeker November 12th, 2005 05:25 AM

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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

Having spent a good deal of time cleaning toilets, I've made of point
achieving good aim. SNIP


Im sorry. Having replaced a toilet last week I can empathize.

That said, shoe removal on entry has been my default action for
years.......not that it's much of an issue......I don't get invited in all
that often.

Good idea. And do you enjoy these visits? Would you like more invitations?

"But, go easy on the PG 13 stuff on TV and at the movies unless your Mom
says it's o.k.........o.k.?

Not really a problem as all but 2-3 of the movies I see in a year at the
indy theater on the island, are not rated. And my Mom at 83 is more
interested in her new SUV than supervising my media choices.

Wolfgang
any of y'all ever get that strange tingly sorta premonition that your

about
to get cuffed.......again!?


Now, now, now, lets not project too far ahead. Im sure we can keep this
session productive.

You have renewed your mental health coverage, right?

Dave
Fa schifo ideology



Wolfgang November 12th, 2005 12:34 PM

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"David Snedeker" wrote in message
. ..

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

Having spent a good deal of time cleaning toilets, I've made of point
achieving good aim. SNIP


Im sorry. Having replaced a toilet last week I can empathize.


Well.....gosh. That's touching. Um......you want to be careful about
touching in this day and age......it can lead to all sorts of trouble.

That said, shoe removal on entry has been my default action for
years.......not that it's much of an issue......I don't get invited in
all
that often.

Good idea.


I've always thought so.

And do you enjoy these visits?


Some of them.

Would you like more invitations?


No thanks. I have little enough time to devote to various other pursuits as
it is.

"But, go easy on the PG 13 stuff on TV and at the movies unless your Mom
says it's o.k.........o.k.?

Not really a problem as all but 2-3 of the movies I see in a year at the
indy theater on the island, are not rated.


Somehow, we all knew that your film viewing habits would evince an
unmistakable and doubtless well timed psychic shudder at the mediocre and
mindless tripe offerred up by the majors. :)

And my Mom at 83 is more
interested in her new SUV than supervising my media choices.


Hm.....so you've been every bit as conscientious in instilling an
environmental awareness in her as she has been moderating your prurient
interests, eh?

Wolfgang
any of y'all ever get that strange tingly sorta premonition that your

about
to get cuffed.......again!?


Now, now, now, lets not project too far ahead. Im sure we can keep this
session productive.

You have renewed your mental health coverage, right?


Insurance is a wonderful thing for those who need the coverage. But, I
don't think I'm Dave Stoller......and I've never put myself in the position
of having to continue to use a sig line that I now realize is stupid (after
this fact has been clearly demonstrated innumerable times) because
discontinuing its use would be correctly seen as a tacit admission of that
realization. :)

Dave
Fa schifo ideology


Wolfgang
hm......snedeker......snedeker.....what the hell kinda name is that,
anyway?......is that eyetalian? :(



November 12th, 2005 03:48 PM

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In article ,
says...
QUOTE FROM WIKIPEDIA
Dr. Theodore John Kaczynski, Ph.D., also known as the Unabomber (born May
22, 1942) is a Polish-American terrorist who attempted to fight against what
he perceived as the evils of technological progress by sending mail bombs to
various people over almost eighteen years, killing three and wounding 29. He
was the target of the FBI's most expensive manhunt ever.


Extra trivia: I went to the same high school as him (about 30 years
later). My uncle was in the same graduating class and apparently knew
him.
- Ken

November 12th, 2005 04:06 PM

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In article ,
says...

angry children are often armed with automatic

weapons, .
. . maybe I'll listen to you for advise as to what is and what is not
reasonable.

Dave
Ideology fa schifo



You forgot dogs and cats living together........angry children armed
with automatic weapons???? Talk about fear-mongering.
- Ken

P.S. Before you give yourself a heart attack responding, do yourself a
favor and look up automatic weapons. Automatic weapons are practically
outlawed (there's about 200-300K mostly owned by Hollywood and
collectors) and are rarely used in crimes.


Hey, I could go for a positive note. So . . . where might you suggest I
"look up automatic weapons" to get your sublime point of view. And please
let me know what non-automatic weapons the various kid shooting up their
school mates, and doing the drive-bys etc.. favor.


Think the Department of Justice is a relatively unbiased group?

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/guic.pdf

Percent of gun tracing requests by weapon type:
Handgun: 79.1%
Pistol: 53.0%
Pistol Revolver: 24.7%
Pistol Derringer: 1.4$
Rifle: 11.1%
Shotgun: 9.7%
Other (including machineguns): 0.1% ---- This is automatic weapons.

"Automatic weapons are considered machineguns subject to the provisions
of the National Firearms Act." - Same webpage, page 2 under 'What are
the different types of firearms?'

- Ken

David Snedeker November 15th, 2005 05:33 AM

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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...


Slicing thru your drivel, I guess it comes down to you liking the movie
product of the "majors," and your feeling that ideology doesn't suck. As to
"innumerable" whatnot, you have never demonstrated anything regarding
ideology sucking, with the exception of revealing you don't understand
either word.

As for your taste in movies, if trash culture does it for you, fill er up.
I find most of it painful (hurts my ears) and degrading. I stopped
apologizing years ago for my tastes in fine art, film, and music, life is
too short to spend it on crap, pretend that Arnold is kool, pretend Billy
Crystal is funny, or pretend that women who look like boys with tits as big
as their heads are inherently interesting.

As for "fa schifo" I doubt you will ever understand either its similarity to
the English "suck," or the difference. And if someone learning the basics of
a few languages is another one of those things that make you uncomfortable,
thats just sad.

Dave
Ideology still sucks




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