Almost Chris No More (long)
 

Was very excited to get to actually fish on Saturday after these last couple
of weeks of work. It was very nice out, maybe a little chilly, but great to
just be out.

Well I decided to go in and fish some largemouth's in a large channel system
I have fished about 1000 times before. I had just entered the channel, I'd
say I was about 30 yards off the lake and into the channel by this time.

I want to say before I type this, this all happened within a fraction of a
second. I started moving up to a dock , to fish it had my jig rod in hand,
when all of a sudden I hear a pop, so I look up to where the pop came from
to see birds scatter, and then a whizzing sound, and then leaves rustling on
the other side of the channel. I then turned back to where the pop came
from, and here is a handle cranking the window closed on a house, no more
than 30 feet away from the center of the channel where I am. Again, this
all happened in the fraction of a second, yet I can still see , feel, and
hear it all as if it is in slow motion and happening right now.

Well, needless to say, I can put two and two together, and as I stood there
stunned for what seemed like eternity, I finally snapped out of it, threw my
rod down, and jump on the outboard and got the hell out of there, and out
into the main lake to gather myself, and strap everything. I then decided
to run around the point to see if I could see this houses address, but It
was too far away. Mind you , this channel system is VERY residential,
houses lining both sides, and very nice houses. I was still in shock after
I went around the point, and just kind of motored around aimlessly till I
finally decided to just leave and pull my boat out. I had my cell in my
pocket, and had about 4 numbers dialed before I would just close it and say
forget it. I just couldn't believe that this really happened.

I ended up at home, and actually slept great Saturday night, I kind of wrote
it off as a kid with a BB gun. I then talked to some friends who hunt a lot
, on Sunday. I told them step by step what happened, and my feeling of what
had happened. They proceeded to inform me that the loudness of the pop led
them to believe it was either a high powered pellet rifle or a 22.
Especially with the whizzing sound coming and going. I have friends who
were in the first Gulf War that tell me that Bullets make a very distinct
whizzing as they go past. It all happened so fast. And as fast as the
"person" cranked that window closed told me the story. How close would it
have to be for me to hear it!

I won't go into all the emotions I have been going through over the last few
days, but Sunday night I had nightmares , pretty much my mind going through
every possible scenario on the negative side. Getting hit in the head at 35
feet with a 22, or in the eye, or in the chest and falling overboard, and
drowning, or in the head and getting knocked overboard, but being able to
grab my boat, but I bleed to death because nobody can help me in time.

So this continued on Monday night, so Tuesday I said screw it, I am going to
call the cops. I called the county sheriffs department. They sent out an
officer to my place of employment and we talked about what happened. He
proceeded to inform me, that outside of this guy coming out and admitting
that he took a shot at me , there was "NOTHING" he could do to this
"person". Which, not only ****ed me off, it sent me into an even worse
spiral. So now, it is alright to take a shot at a fisherman, with a weapon
that could very well be lethal at 35' , and as long as I do not have a
witness and as long as they are on their property, there is nothing you can
do????? I know that it is easy to say, "at least you are all right
(physically), and that "they are not stalking you, so get over it", or "time
will heal". It doesn't excuse the fact that there is no consequence for a
situation like this! That kills me, I wasn't ready to say goodbye to my
wife, friends, and family. Especially not because some idiot thought it
would be cool to see how close he could get to a fisherman.

I apologize for such a long post, I haven't slept more than 2 hours since
Sunday, I don't know what to do. I really am lost.

take care guys,

Chris

Almost Chris No More (long)
 

Chris

As a gun owner and volunteer firearms safety instructor, you have
my sincerest condolences. There is absolutely no reason for that
incident to have occured.

The person who did this to you is a complete idiot.

I understand your outrage and frustration - but I also understand
the position that the officer you spoke to is in. Its your word
against that of the person in the house w/o a witness having
seen anything. Your notification to the authorities though has most
likely gone on the record, I would guess that they will be watching
for other incidents from the house/area.

Hug your wife/SO, dog etc, you are still with us.

Jim

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:06:13 -0600, "chris rennert"
wrote:

Was very excited to get to actually fish on Saturday after these last couple
of weeks of work. It was very nice out, maybe a little chilly, but great to
just be out.

Well I decided to go in and fish some largemouth's in a large channel system
I have fished about 1000 times before. I had just entered the channel, I'd
say I was about 30 yards off the lake and into the channel by this time.

I want to say before I type this, this all happened within a fraction of a
second. I started moving up to a dock , to fish it had my jig rod in hand,
when all of a sudden I hear a pop, so I look up to where the pop came from
to see birds scatter, and then a whizzing sound, and then leaves rustling on
the other side of the channel. I then turned back to where the pop came
from, and here is a handle cranking the window closed on a house, no more
than 30 feet away from the center of the channel where I am. Again, this
all happened in the fraction of a second, yet I can still see , feel, and
hear it all as if it is in slow motion and happening right now.

Well, needless to say, I can put two and two together, and as I stood there
stunned for what seemed like eternity, I finally snapped out of it, threw my
rod down, and jump on the outboard and got the hell out of there, and out
into the main lake to gather myself, and strap everything. I then decided
to run around the point to see if I could see this houses address, but It
was too far away. Mind you , this channel system is VERY residential,
houses lining both sides, and very nice houses. I was still in shock after
I went around the point, and just kind of motored around aimlessly till I
finally decided to just leave and pull my boat out. I had my cell in my
pocket, and had about 4 numbers dialed before I would just close it and say
forget it. I just couldn't believe that this really happened.

I ended up at home, and actually slept great Saturday night, I kind of wrote
it off as a kid with a BB gun. I then talked to some friends who hunt a lot
, on Sunday. I told them step by step what happened, and my feeling of what
had happened. They proceeded to inform me that the loudness of the pop led
them to believe it was either a high powered pellet rifle or a 22.
Especially with the whizzing sound coming and going. I have friends who
were in the first Gulf War that tell me that Bullets make a very distinct
whizzing as they go past. It all happened so fast. And as fast as the
"person" cranked that window closed told me the story. How close would it
have to be for me to hear it!

I won't go into all the emotions I have been going through over the last few
days, but Sunday night I had nightmares , pretty much my mind going through
every possible scenario on the negative side. Getting hit in the head at 35
feet with a 22, or in the eye, or in the chest and falling overboard, and
drowning, or in the head and getting knocked overboard, but being able to
grab my boat, but I bleed to death because nobody can help me in time.

So this continued on Monday night, so Tuesday I said screw it, I am going to
call the cops. I called the county sheriffs department. They sent out an
officer to my place of employment and we talked about what happened. He
proceeded to inform me, that outside of this guy coming out and admitting
that he took a shot at me , there was "NOTHING" he could do to this
"person". Which, not only ****ed me off, it sent me into an even worse
spiral. So now, it is alright to take a shot at a fisherman, with a weapon
that could very well be lethal at 35' , and as long as I do not have a
witness and as long as they are on their property, there is nothing you can
do????? I know that it is easy to say, "at least you are all right
(physically), and that "they are not stalking you, so get over it", or "time
will heal". It doesn't excuse the fact that there is no consequence for a
situation like this! That kills me, I wasn't ready to say goodbye to my
wife, friends, and family. Especially not because some idiot thought it
would be cool to see how close he could get to a fisherman.

I apologize for such a long post, I haven't slept more than 2 hours since
Sunday, I don't know what to do. I really am lost.

take care guys,

Chris

Almost Chris No More (long)
 

Sorry this happened to you Chris. I haven't run into this fishing but
I have had a guy threaten me while hunting on public land. Hopefully
you can find a way to bring closure to this so you can enjoy fishing
again.

Gary

Almost Chris No More (long)
 

I would have called the cops right away. If they took the time to visit the
house they might smell the pwoeder in the house giving them probably cause
to search and parafin test the persons in the house. Whikle they might stil
come up with a good story to get out of it atleast they would then know that
takign a scare shot at somebody is illegal. Even if they did the, "we are
just taking a pots hsot out the window and didn;t see him," story they might
be chargeable with a number of other crimes such as firing a gun in
proximity to occupied buildings opr wreckless disharge of a firearm (a
felony in some states). Of course hindsight is 20/20. I am very sorry this
happened to you, and I firmly believe as a gun owner that irresponsible gun
owners should be severley punished.

--
Bob La Londe
http://www.YumaBassMan.com

Almost Chris No More (long)
 

DUDE! Thank God you weren't hurt.

WW

"chris rennert" wrote in message
.. .
Was very excited to get to actually fish on Saturday after these last
couple
of weeks of work. It was very nice out, maybe a little chilly, but great
to
just be out.

Well I decided to go in and fish some largemouth's in a large channel
system
I have fished about 1000 times before. I had just entered the channel,
I'd
say I was about 30 yards off the lake and into the channel by this time.

I want to say before I type this, this all happened within a fraction of a
second. I started moving up to a dock , to fish it had my jig rod in
hand,
when all of a sudden I hear a pop, so I look up to where the pop came from
to see birds scatter, and then a whizzing sound, and then leaves rustling
on
the other side of the channel. I then turned back to where the pop came
from, and here is a handle cranking the window closed on a house, no more
than 30 feet away from the center of the channel where I am. Again, this
all happened in the fraction of a second, yet I can still see , feel, and
hear it all as if it is in slow motion and happening right now.

Well, needless to say, I can put two and two together, and as I stood
there
stunned for what seemed like eternity, I finally snapped out of it, threw
my
rod down, and jump on the outboard and got the hell out of there, and out
into the main lake to gather myself, and strap everything. I then decided
to run around the point to see if I could see this houses address, but It
was too far away. Mind you , this channel system is VERY residential,
houses lining both sides, and very nice houses. I was still in shock
after
I went around the point, and just kind of motored around aimlessly till I
finally decided to just leave and pull my boat out. I had my cell in my
pocket, and had about 4 numbers dialed before I would just close it and
say
forget it. I just couldn't believe that this really happened.

I ended up at home, and actually slept great Saturday night, I kind of
wrote
it off as a kid with a BB gun. I then talked to some friends who hunt a
lot
, on Sunday. I told them step by step what happened, and my feeling of
what
had happened. They proceeded to inform me that the loudness of the pop
led
them to believe it was either a high powered pellet rifle or a 22.
Especially with the whizzing sound coming and going. I have friends who
were in the first Gulf War that tell me that Bullets make a very distinct
whizzing as they go past. It all happened so fast. And as fast as the
"person" cranked that window closed told me the story. How close would it
have to be for me to hear it!

I won't go into all the emotions I have been going through over the last
few
days, but Sunday night I had nightmares , pretty much my mind going
through
every possible scenario on the negative side. Getting hit in the head at
35
feet with a 22, or in the eye, or in the chest and falling overboard, and
drowning, or in the head and getting knocked overboard, but being able to
grab my boat, but I bleed to death because nobody can help me in time.

So this continued on Monday night, so Tuesday I said screw it, I am going
to
call the cops. I called the county sheriffs department. They sent out an
officer to my place of employment and we talked about what happened. He
proceeded to inform me, that outside of this guy coming out and admitting
that he took a shot at me , there was "NOTHING" he could do to this
"person". Which, not only ****ed me off, it sent me into an even worse
spiral. So now, it is alright to take a shot at a fisherman, with a
weapon
that could very well be lethal at 35' , and as long as I do not have a
witness and as long as they are on their property, there is nothing you
can
do????? I know that it is easy to say, "at least you are all right
(physically), and that "they are not stalking you, so get over it", or
"time
will heal". It doesn't excuse the fact that there is no consequence for a
situation like this! That kills me, I wasn't ready to say goodbye to my
wife, friends, and family. Especially not because some idiot thought it
would be cool to see how close he could get to a fisherman.

I apologize for such a long post, I haven't slept more than 2 hours since
Sunday, I don't know what to do. I really am lost.

take care guys,

Chris

Almost Chris No More (long)
 

While my brother & I have fished the canals on St. Clair dozens of
times & have had to face dozens of extremely rude & thoughtless
homeowners we have yet to face any gunfire!! Maybe you should attach a
note to his dock & let him know that you reported the incident to the
police. It may be just enough to stop him from a second "attack" on the
next guy. It may even alert a parent to question an idiot youngster
that may be responsible.

Almost Chris No More (long)
 

No Chris, the answer is quite simple. You simply need to carry
superior firepower with you! I guarantee that if you would have
responded with, say fifty or sixty rounds from your favorite assault
rifle into the side of that ass#%&s house, that would have been the
last time he would have ever pulled anything like that again! And he
might even warn his dumbass friends to boot! :))

Glad to hear that your ok.

Heavy

Almost Chris No More (long)
 

He wouldn't have top warn any of his friends. The moment you shoot one
ass@#_$ the word gets out. I love it when ass(&%* and bullets meet.


"Heavy" wrote in message
oups.com...
No Chris, the answer is quite simple. You simply need to carry
superior firepower with you! I guarantee that if you would have
responded with, say fifty or sixty rounds from your favorite assault
rifle into the side of that ass#%&s house, that would have been the
last time he would have ever pulled anything like that again! And he
might even warn his dumbass friends to boot! :))

Glad to hear that your ok.

Heavy

Almost Chris No More (long)
 

Jerry Barton wrote:
He wouldn't have top warn any of his friends. The moment you shoot one
ass@#_$ the word gets out. I love it when ass(&%* and bullets meet.

Well yeah, but if you shoot an a**hole you're gonna have
to share the love behind bars. And if you value your own
a**hole you don't want to be sharin' no love behind bars,
if you know what I mean.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Almost Chris No More (long)
 

Chris, that is a scary thing! It happened to me on the Colorado River
one time. I know I would avoid the channel from now on...but I would
pursue it further, I would contact the District Attourney in your area
and give him a full report with addresses and such. If they did not at
least investigate the situation, I would contact the local newspaper and
give them the story! Someone should respond to your concerns!!!!
If you raise enough fuss, the idiot that did this might just get the
message!

John K

Almost Chris No More (long)
 

Glad your Ok Chris, I once came across an older german couple vacationing up
here, they were both severely overweight and wearing thongs. I still wake up
sweating from time to time... :-)

--
www.wermieerniebaits.com
"Quality Hand Poured Baits"
"Lowering Tips, and Ripping Lips"
"John Kerr" wrote in message
...
Chris, that is a scary thing! It happened to me on the Colorado River
one time. I know I would avoid the channel from now on...but I would
pursue it further, I would contact the District Attourney in your area
and give him a full report with addresses and such. If they did not at
least investigate the situation, I would contact the local newspaper and
give them the story! Someone should respond to your concerns!!!!
If you raise enough fuss, the idiot that did this might just get the
message!

John K

Almost Chris No More (long)
 

Even better, invite your cop buddy out for a day of fishing...

Warren

"John Kerr" wrote in message
...
Chris, that is a scary thing! It happened to me on the Colorado River
one time. I know I would avoid the channel from now on...but I would
pursue it further, I would contact the District Attourney in your area
and give him a full report with addresses and such. If they did not at
least investigate the situation, I would contact the local newspaper and
give them the story! Someone should respond to your concerns!!!!
If you raise enough fuss, the idiot that did this might just get the
message!

John K

Almost Chris No More (long)
 

rotflmfao!

I gotta fish with you Randy...

WW

"alwaysfishking" wrote in message
...
Glad your Ok Chris, I once came across an older german couple vacationing
up
here, they were both severely overweight and wearing thongs. I still wake
up
sweating from time to time... :-)

--
www.wermieerniebaits.com
"Quality Hand Poured Baits"
"Lowering Tips, and Ripping Lips"
"John Kerr" wrote in message
...
Chris, that is a scary thing! It happened to me on the Colorado River
one time. I know I would avoid the channel from now on...but I would
pursue it further, I would contact the District Attourney in your area
and give him a full report with addresses and such. If they did not at
least investigate the situation, I would contact the local newspaper and
give them the story! Someone should respond to your concerns!!!!
If you raise enough fuss, the idiot that did this might just get the
message!

John K

Almost Chris No More (long)
 

You just ain't right. ;-)

"alwaysfishking" wrote in message
...
Glad your Ok Chris, I once came across an older german couple vacationing
up here, they were both severely overweight and wearing thongs. I still
wake up sweating from time to time... :-)

--
www.wermieerniebaits.com
"Quality Hand Poured Baits"
"Lowering Tips, and Ripping Lips"
"John Kerr" wrote in message
...
Chris, that is a scary thing! It happened to me on the Colorado River
one time. I know I would avoid the channel from now on...but I would
pursue it further, I would contact the District Attourney in your area
and give him a full report with addresses and such. If they did not at
least investigate the situation, I would contact the local newspaper and
give them the story! Someone should respond to your concerns!!!!
If you raise enough fuss, the idiot that did this might just get the
message!

John K

Almost Chris No More (long)
 

Wow, that would be truly scary.

Ratman, I have had duck hunters fire a shot in the air to warn me that I
was getting too close to their blinds around the St. Clair channels, and on
Baseline lake in Hamburg, Michigan or near Hamburg. But I have never had
someone shot at me while on the water.


--
Craig Baugher

Almost Chris No More (long)
 

GL3Loomis wrote:
Wow, that would be truly scary.

Ratman, I have had duck hunters fire a shot in the air to warn me that I
was getting too close to their blinds around the St. Clair channels, and on
Baseline lake in Hamburg, Michigan or near Hamburg. But I have never had
someone shot at me while on the water.




It's something you get used to if you fish big rivers a lot in the fall.
Been shot at plenty of times on the Mississippi and Illinois rivers.
But they haven't seemed to get the distance to lead a bass boat just
right yet.

I can tell you also, that if it was a pellet rifle, no burnt powder to
smell. Depending upon where you are it may not be illegal to shoot it
in town. I have one that shoots about 1000 fps and it sounds just like
a .22 going off. Yeah, it's damn dangerous in the wrong hands.

Carlos

Almost Chris No More (long)
 

"Jerry Barton" wrote in message You just ain't right. ;-)

You say that like it's a bad thing

Almost Chris No More (long)
 

I don't want to bum you out further, Chris, but the reality is that it's
gonna get a lot worse. That stupid SOB is probably part the new, growing
bunch of idiots that has no clue that a 22 is a world more dangerous than a
pea-shooter. Look at the stupid-human capital of the planet, San Francisco:
the semi-literate voters there are giving the "government should run your
life" freaks the power to take over everything. Legal handgun owners there
actually have to turn in their guns (for destruction) in early Feb., I
believe. It is probably even against the law to even try to learn anything
at all about guns or gun safety.

The only good news is that stupid societies like this seldom survive long.
Like motorcycle riders who refuse to wear helmets, the dumbest ones quickly
get wiped-out, which protects the gene pool. Eventually the fools who remain
will catch on & run the rest of the unrealistic socialists out of town...
running out idiots happens everywhere but in France. A country doesn't even
need an army to defeat France, which is what is obviously happening again.

Bob


"chris rennert" wrote in message
.. .
Was very excited to get to actually fish on Saturday after these last
couple
of weeks of work. It was very nice out, maybe a little chilly, but great
to
just be out.

Well I decided to go in and fish some largemouth's in a large channel
system
I have fished about 1000 times before. I had just entered the channel,
I'd
say I was about 30 yards off the lake and into the channel by this time.

I want to say before I type this, this all happened within a fraction of a
second. I started moving up to a dock , to fish it had my jig rod in
hand,
when all of a sudden I hear a pop, so I look up to where the pop came from
to see birds scatter, and then a whizzing sound, and then leaves rustling
on
the other side of the channel. I then turned back to where the pop came
from, and here is a handle cranking the window closed on a house, no more
than 30 feet away from the center of the channel where I am. Again, this
all happened in the fraction of a second, yet I can still see , feel, and
hear it all as if it is in slow motion and happening right now.

Well, needless to say, I can put two and two together, and as I stood
there
stunned for what seemed like eternity, I finally snapped out of it, threw
my
rod down, and jump on the outboard and got the hell out of there, and out
into the main lake to gather myself, and strap everything. I then decided
to run around the point to see if I could see this houses address, but It
was too far away. Mind you , this channel system is VERY residential,
houses lining both sides, and very nice houses. I was still in shock
after
I went around the point, and just kind of motored around aimlessly till I
finally decided to just leave and pull my boat out. I had my cell in my
pocket, and had about 4 numbers dialed before I would just close it and
say
forget it. I just couldn't believe that this really happened.

I ended up at home, and actually slept great Saturday night, I kind of
wrote
it off as a kid with a BB gun. I then talked to some friends who hunt a
lot
, on Sunday. I told them step by step what happened, and my feeling of
what
had happened. They proceeded to inform me that the loudness of the pop
led
them to believe it was either a high powered pellet rifle or a 22.
Especially with the whizzing sound coming and going. I have friends who
were in the first Gulf War that tell me that Bullets make a very distinct
whizzing as they go past. It all happened so fast. And as fast as the
"person" cranked that window closed told me the story. How close would it
have to be for me to hear it!

I won't go into all the emotions I have been going through over the last
few
days, but Sunday night I had nightmares , pretty much my mind going
through
every possible scenario on the negative side. Getting hit in the head at
35
feet with a 22, or in the eye, or in the chest and falling overboard, and
drowning, or in the head and getting knocked overboard, but being able to
grab my boat, but I bleed to death because nobody can help me in time.

So this continued on Monday night, so Tuesday I said screw it, I am going
to
call the cops. I called the county sheriffs department. They sent out an
officer to my place of employment and we talked about what happened. He
proceeded to inform me, that outside of this guy coming out and admitting
that he took a shot at me , there was "NOTHING" he could do to this
"person". Which, not only ****ed me off, it sent me into an even worse
spiral. So now, it is alright to take a shot at a fisherman, with a
weapon
that could very well be lethal at 35' , and as long as I do not have a
witness and as long as they are on their property, there is nothing you
can
do????? I know that it is easy to say, "at least you are all right
(physically), and that "they are not stalking you, so get over it", or
"time
will heal". It doesn't excuse the fact that there is no consequence for a
situation like this! That kills me, I wasn't ready to say goodbye to my
wife, friends, and family. Especially not because some idiot thought it
would be cool to see how close he could get to a fisherman.

I apologize for such a long post, I haven't slept more than 2 hours since
Sunday, I don't know what to do. I really am lost.

take care guys,

Chris

Almost Chris No More (long)
 

Bob, according to packing.org, the bill that passed in San Fran is actually
illegal, because no city can overrule a state law concerning firearms. The
ones who started this whole thing knew about the illegalities going in, but
they just wanted to bring notice that there were so many people that wanted
a resolution to outlaw firearms.


"Bob Rickard" wrote in message
et...
I don't want to bum you out further, Chris, but the reality is that it's
gonna get a lot worse. That stupid SOB is probably part the new, growing
bunch of idiots that has no clue that a 22 is a world more dangerous than
a
pea-shooter. Look at the stupid-human capital of the planet, San
Francisco:
the semi-literate voters there are giving the "government should run your
life" freaks the power to take over everything. Legal handgun owners there
actually have to turn in their guns (for destruction) in early Feb., I
believe. It is probably even against the law to even try to learn anything
at all about guns or gun safety.

The only good news is that stupid societies like this seldom survive long.
Like motorcycle riders who refuse to wear helmets, the dumbest ones
quickly
get wiped-out, which protects the gene pool. Eventually the fools who
remain
will catch on & run the rest of the unrealistic socialists out of town...
running out idiots happens everywhere but in France. A country doesn't
even
need an army to defeat France, which is what is obviously happening again.

Bob


"chris rennert" wrote in message
.. .
Was very excited to get to actually fish on Saturday after these last
couple
of weeks of work. It was very nice out, maybe a little chilly, but great
to
just be out.

Well I decided to go in and fish some largemouth's in a large channel
system
I have fished about 1000 times before. I had just entered the channel,
I'd
say I was about 30 yards off the lake and into the channel by this time.

I want to say before I type this, this all happened within a fraction of
a
second. I started moving up to a dock , to fish it had my jig rod in
hand,
when all of a sudden I hear a pop, so I look up to where the pop came
from
to see birds scatter, and then a whizzing sound, and then leaves rustling
on
the other side of the channel. I then turned back to where the pop came
from, and here is a handle cranking the window closed on a house, no more
than 30 feet away from the center of the channel where I am. Again, this
all happened in the fraction of a second, yet I can still see , feel, and
hear it all as if it is in slow motion and happening right now.

Well, needless to say, I can put two and two together, and as I stood
there
stunned for what seemed like eternity, I finally snapped out of it, threw
my
rod down, and jump on the outboard and got the hell out of there, and out
into the main lake to gather myself, and strap everything. I then
decided
to run around the point to see if I could see this houses address, but It
was too far away. Mind you , this channel system is VERY residential,
houses lining both sides, and very nice houses. I was still in shock
after
I went around the point, and just kind of motored around aimlessly till I
finally decided to just leave and pull my boat out. I had my cell in my
pocket, and had about 4 numbers dialed before I would just close it and
say
forget it. I just couldn't believe that this really happened.

I ended up at home, and actually slept great Saturday night, I kind of
wrote
it off as a kid with a BB gun. I then talked to some friends who hunt a
lot
, on Sunday. I told them step by step what happened, and my feeling of
what
had happened. They proceeded to inform me that the loudness of the pop
led
them to believe it was either a high powered pellet rifle or a 22.
Especially with the whizzing sound coming and going. I have friends who
were in the first Gulf War that tell me that Bullets make a very distinct
whizzing as they go past. It all happened so fast. And as fast as the
"person" cranked that window closed told me the story. How close would
it
have to be for me to hear it!

I won't go into all the emotions I have been going through over the last
few
days, but Sunday night I had nightmares , pretty much my mind going
through
every possible scenario on the negative side. Getting hit in the head at
35
feet with a 22, or in the eye, or in the chest and falling overboard, and
drowning, or in the head and getting knocked overboard, but being able to
grab my boat, but I bleed to death because nobody can help me in time.

So this continued on Monday night, so Tuesday I said screw it, I am going
to
call the cops. I called the county sheriffs department. They sent out
an
officer to my place of employment and we talked about what happened. He
proceeded to inform me, that outside of this guy coming out and admitting
that he took a shot at me , there was "NOTHING" he could do to this
"person". Which, not only ****ed me off, it sent me into an even worse
spiral. So now, it is alright to take a shot at a fisherman, with a
weapon
that could very well be lethal at 35' , and as long as I do not have a
witness and as long as they are on their property, there is nothing you
can
do????? I know that it is easy to say, "at least you are all right
(physically), and that "they are not stalking you, so get over it", or
"time
will heal". It doesn't excuse the fact that there is no consequence for
a
situation like this! That kills me, I wasn't ready to say goodbye to my
wife, friends, and family. Especially not because some idiot thought it
would be cool to see how close he could get to a fisherman.

I apologize for such a long post, I haven't slept more than 2 hours since
Sunday, I don't know what to do. I really am lost.

take care guys,

Chris

Almost Chris No More (long)
 

"Carlos" wrote in message

I can tell you also, that if it was a pellet rifle, no burnt powder to
smell. Depending upon where you are it may not be illegal to shoot it in
town. I have one that shoots about 1000 fps and it sounds just like a .22
going off. Yeah, it's damn dangerous in the wrong hands.


I have been looking at those since the high speed spring pistons first came
out. I looked at one in the mid 80s. Having grown up as an airgun owner I
was amazed. In fact I refused to believe the speeds until the showed me on
a chronograph. However, there is a new (realtively) breed that takes a
special compressor or a hand pump. Some guys charge them off a charged
scuba tank. They will fire, depending on the model, pellets up to .50 and
have an order of magnitude more impact energy. Some models are semi
automatic too. You dial in the presure on each shot and fire until your
bulk pressure drops below the firing pressure. These are serious airguns
capable of taking small and medium size game at moderate range, and are very
dangerous even deadly with a competant shooter.

As a side note. High powered air guns are not new. I have heard that
French troops used and experimented with an air powered rifle in the 1930s
and 1940s. (maybe it was earlier, I'm not really up on that.)

Yes, most municipalities have passed ordinances against the use of airguns
inside their limits. Soem treat airgun and bow use just like a firearm and
will cite you acordingly. Remember not all areas that are developed are
part of a town or city though. Also most states game laws prohibit the
discaharge of a firearm within a certian distance of an occupied building
without the permission of the inhabitants of the building.

--
Bob La Londe
http://www.YumaBassMan.com

Almost Chris No More (long)
 

"Jerry Barton" wrote in message
...
Bob, according to packing.org, the bill that passed in San Fran is
actually illegal, because no city can overrule a state law concerning
firearms. The ones who started this whole thing knew about the
illegalities going in, but they just wanted to bring notice that there
were so many people that wanted a resolution to outlaw firearms.


As near as I can tell they have already done it in Los Angelos. Not exactly
the same because they did slightly different things, but basically they
ruled for restrictions far and above anything dictated bylaw in the state
legislature. Maybe its just Orange County. I'm not up on this, but you
should check out some of the gun groups. Its old news in that area. I'm
sure San Francisco has just followed LAs example.

--
Bob La Londe
http://www.YumaBassMan.com

Almost Chris No More (long)
 

Good news, Jerry. For all of us, I hope packing.org is right.

--
Bob Rickard
www.secretweaponlures.com
Better design, better lures, better results
--------------------------~ 0')))


"Jerry Barton" wrote in message
...
Bob, according to packing.org, the bill that passed in San Fran is
actually
illegal, because no city can overrule a state law concerning firearms. The
ones who started this whole thing knew about the illegalities going in,
but
they just wanted to bring notice that there were so many people that
wanted
a resolution to outlaw firearms.


"Bob Rickard" wrote in message
et...
I don't want to bum you out further, Chris, but the reality is that it's
gonna get a lot worse. That stupid SOB is probably part the new, growing
bunch of idiots that has no clue that a 22 is a world more dangerous
than
a
pea-shooter. Look at the stupid-human capital of the planet, San
Francisco:
the semi-literate voters there are giving the "government should run
your
life" freaks the power to take over everything. Legal handgun owners
there
actually have to turn in their guns (for destruction) in early Feb., I
believe. It is probably even against the law to even try to learn
anything
at all about guns or gun safety.

The only good news is that stupid societies like this seldom survive
long.
Like motorcycle riders who refuse to wear helmets, the dumbest ones
quickly
get wiped-out, which protects the gene pool. Eventually the fools who
remain
will catch on & run the rest of the unrealistic socialists out of
town...
running out idiots happens everywhere but in France. A country doesn't
even
need an army to defeat France, which is what is obviously happening
again.

Bob


"chris rennert" wrote in message
.. .
Was very excited to get to actually fish on Saturday after these last
couple
of weeks of work. It was very nice out, maybe a little chilly, but
great
to
just be out.

Well I decided to go in and fish some largemouth's in a large channel
system
I have fished about 1000 times before. I had just entered the channel,
I'd
say I was about 30 yards off the lake and into the channel by this
time.

I want to say before I type this, this all happened within a fraction
of
a
second. I started moving up to a dock , to fish it had my jig rod in
hand,
when all of a sudden I hear a pop, so I look up to where the pop came
from
to see birds scatter, and then a whizzing sound, and then leaves
rustling
on
the other side of the channel. I then turned back to where the pop
came
from, and here is a handle cranking the window closed on a house, no
more
than 30 feet away from the center of the channel where I am. Again,
this
all happened in the fraction of a second, yet I can still see , feel,
and
hear it all as if it is in slow motion and happening right now.

Well, needless to say, I can put two and two together, and as I stood
there
stunned for what seemed like eternity, I finally snapped out of it,
threw
my
rod down, and jump on the outboard and got the hell out of there, and
out
into the main lake to gather myself, and strap everything. I then
decided
to run around the point to see if I could see this houses address, but
It
was too far away. Mind you , this channel system is VERY residential,
houses lining both sides, and very nice houses. I was still in shock
after
I went around the point, and just kind of motored around aimlessly till
I
finally decided to just leave and pull my boat out. I had my cell in
my
pocket, and had about 4 numbers dialed before I would just close it and
say
forget it. I just couldn't believe that this really happened.

I ended up at home, and actually slept great Saturday night, I kind of
wrote
it off as a kid with a BB gun. I then talked to some friends who hunt
a
lot
, on Sunday. I told them step by step what happened, and my feeling of
what
had happened. They proceeded to inform me that the loudness of the pop
led
them to believe it was either a high powered pellet rifle or a 22.
Especially with the whizzing sound coming and going. I have friends
who
were in the first Gulf War that tell me that Bullets make a very
distinct
whizzing as they go past. It all happened so fast. And as fast as the
"person" cranked that window closed told me the story. How close would
it
have to be for me to hear it!

I won't go into all the emotions I have been going through over the
last
few
days, but Sunday night I had nightmares , pretty much my mind going
through
every possible scenario on the negative side. Getting hit in the head
at
35
feet with a 22, or in the eye, or in the chest and falling overboard,
and
drowning, or in the head and getting knocked overboard, but being able
to
grab my boat, but I bleed to death because nobody can help me in time.

So this continued on Monday night, so Tuesday I said screw it, I am
going
to
call the cops. I called the county sheriffs department. They sent out
an
officer to my place of employment and we talked about what happened.
He
proceeded to inform me, that outside of this guy coming out and
admitting
that he took a shot at me , there was "NOTHING" he could do to this
"person". Which, not only ****ed me off, it sent me into an even worse
spiral. So now, it is alright to take a shot at a fisherman, with a
weapon
that could very well be lethal at 35' , and as long as I do not have a
witness and as long as they are on their property, there is nothing you
can
do????? I know that it is easy to say, "at least you are all right
(physically), and that "they are not stalking you, so get over it", or
"time
will heal". It doesn't excuse the fact that there is no consequence
for
a
situation like this! That kills me, I wasn't ready to say goodbye to
my
wife, friends, and family. Especially not because some idiot thought
it
would be cool to see how close he could get to a fisherman.

I apologize for such a long post, I haven't slept more than 2 hours
since
Sunday, I don't know what to do. I really am lost.

take care guys,

Chris

Almost Chris No More (long)
 

Chris,
The answer from your Sherrifs Dept. is wrong. Discharging a firearm in a
residential area is VERY illegal. Write a letter to the editor about the
whole situation... better yet go to the house. 90% chance it was a kid or
kids and the parents aren't aware it even happened.
"chris rennert" wrote in message
.. .
Was very excited to get to actually fish on Saturday after these last
couple
of weeks of work. It was very nice out, maybe a little chilly, but great
to
just be out.

Well I decided to go in and fish some largemouth's in a large channel
system
I have fished about 1000 times before. I had just entered the channel,
I'd
say I was about 30 yards off the lake and into the channel by this time.

I want to say before I type this, this all happened within a fraction of a
second. I started moving up to a dock , to fish it had my jig rod in
hand,
when all of a sudden I hear a pop, so I look up to where the pop came from
to see birds scatter, and then a whizzing sound, and then leaves rustling
on
the other side of the channel. I then turned back to where the pop came
from, and here is a handle cranking the window closed on a house, no more
than 30 feet away from the center of the channel where I am. Again, this
all happened in the fraction of a second, yet I can still see , feel, and
hear it all as if it is in slow motion and happening right now.

Well, needless to say, I can put two and two together, and as I stood
there
stunned for what seemed like eternity, I finally snapped out of it, threw
my
rod down, and jump on the outboard and got the hell out of there, and out
into the main lake to gather myself, and strap everything. I then decided
to run around the point to see if I could see this houses address, but It
was too far away. Mind you , this channel system is VERY residential,
houses lining both sides, and very nice houses. I was still in shock
after
I went around the point, and just kind of motored around aimlessly till I
finally decided to just leave and pull my boat out. I had my cell in my
pocket, and had about 4 numbers dialed before I would just close it and
say
forget it. I just couldn't believe that this really happened.

I ended up at home, and actually slept great Saturday night, I kind of
wrote
it off as a kid with a BB gun. I then talked to some friends who hunt a
lot
, on Sunday. I told them step by step what happened, and my feeling of
what
had happened. They proceeded to inform me that the loudness of the pop
led
them to believe it was either a high powered pellet rifle or a 22.
Especially with the whizzing sound coming and going. I have friends who
were in the first Gulf War that tell me that Bullets make a very distinct
whizzing as they go past. It all happened so fast. And as fast as the
"person" cranked that window closed told me the story. How close would it
have to be for me to hear it!

I won't go into all the emotions I have been going through over the last
few
days, but Sunday night I had nightmares , pretty much my mind going
through
every possible scenario on the negative side. Getting hit in the head at
35
feet with a 22, or in the eye, or in the chest and falling overboard, and
drowning, or in the head and getting knocked overboard, but being able to
grab my boat, but I bleed to death because nobody can help me in time.

So this continued on Monday night, so Tuesday I said screw it, I am going
to
call the cops. I called the county sheriffs department. They sent out an
officer to my place of employment and we talked about what happened. He
proceeded to inform me, that outside of this guy coming out and admitting
that he took a shot at me , there was "NOTHING" he could do to this
"person". Which, not only ****ed me off, it sent me into an even worse
spiral. So now, it is alright to take a shot at a fisherman, with a
weapon
that could very well be lethal at 35' , and as long as I do not have a
witness and as long as they are on their property, there is nothing you
can
do????? I know that it is easy to say, "at least you are all right
(physically), and that "they are not stalking you, so get over it", or
"time
will heal". It doesn't excuse the fact that there is no consequence for a
situation like this! That kills me, I wasn't ready to say goodbye to my
wife, friends, and family. Especially not because some idiot thought it
would be cool to see how close he could get to a fisherman.

I apologize for such a long post, I haven't slept more than 2 hours since
Sunday, I don't know what to do. I really am lost.

take care guys,

Chris

Almost Chris No More (long)
 

PAULINE HAMEL wrote:

Chris,
The answer from your Sherrifs Dept. is wrong. Discharging a firearm in a
residential area is VERY illegal.

That totally depends on the laws of that "area", It is "NOT" illegal at
my house or area. I have a shooting range in my back yard, that many
police officers have actually used through the years.

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

Almost Chris No More (long)
 

There are criminal charges that would cover what you describe; recklessly
endandering another persons life, terroristic threats, harrassment, criminal
mischief, disorderly condcut, etc. Depends on your state laws. The problem
is, unless you observed and can identify the person(s) doing the shooting,
there is no case. To be able to point to the house where the shots came
from, doesn't ID the actor. The owner could always claim that there are
other perople in the house, or he was not home at the time and has no idea
who could have done it, etc. The Sheriff was corrent in what he told you,
unfortunately. Sending a letter to the editor may not be a very good idea,
because most newspapers won't print a letter without a name and location
attached to it; and I'm not so sure I would want the guy or his neighbors to
know who I was.
Stay Safe,
Mike (PA)


"PAULINE HAMEL" wrote in message
news:yzjhf.10639$%Z5.3568@trndny07...
Chris,
The answer from your Sherrifs Dept. is wrong. Discharging a firearm in a
residential area is VERY illegal. Write a letter to the editor about the
whole situation... better yet go to the house. 90% chance it was a kid or
kids and the parents aren't aware it even happened.
"chris rennert" wrote in message
.. .
Was very excited to get to actually fish on Saturday after these last
couple
of weeks of work. It was very nice out, maybe a little chilly, but great
to
just be out.

Well I decided to go in and fish some largemouth's in a large channel
system
I have fished about 1000 times before. I had just entered the channel,
I'd
say I was about 30 yards off the lake and into the channel by this time.

I want to say before I type this, this all happened within a fraction of
a
second. I started moving up to a dock , to fish it had my jig rod in
hand,
when all of a sudden I hear a pop, so I look up to where the pop came
from
to see birds scatter, and then a whizzing sound, and then leaves rustling
on
the other side of the channel. I then turned back to where the pop came
from, and here is a handle cranking the window closed on a house, no more
than 30 feet away from the center of the channel where I am. Again, this
all happened in the fraction of a second, yet I can still see , feel, and
hear it all as if it is in slow motion and happening right now.

Well, needless to say, I can put two and two together, and as I stood
there
stunned for what seemed like eternity, I finally snapped out of it, threw
my
rod down, and jump on the outboard and got the hell out of there, and out
into the main lake to gather myself, and strap everything. I then
decided
to run around the point to see if I could see this houses address, but It
was too far away. Mind you , this channel system is VERY residential,
houses lining both sides, and very nice houses. I was still in shock
after
I went around the point, and just kind of motored around aimlessly till I
finally decided to just leave and pull my boat out. I had my cell in my
pocket, and had about 4 numbers dialed before I would just close it and
say
forget it. I just couldn't believe that this really happened.

I ended up at home, and actually slept great Saturday night, I kind of
wrote
it off as a kid with a BB gun. I then talked to some friends who hunt a
lot
, on Sunday. I told them step by step what happened, and my feeling of
what
had happened. They proceeded to inform me that the loudness of the pop
led
them to believe it was either a high powered pellet rifle or a 22.
Especially with the whizzing sound coming and going. I have friends who
were in the first Gulf War that tell me that Bullets make a very distinct
whizzing as they go past. It all happened so fast. And as fast as the
"person" cranked that window closed told me the story. How close would
it
have to be for me to hear it!

I won't go into all the emotions I have been going through over the last
few
days, but Sunday night I had nightmares , pretty much my mind going
through
every possible scenario on the negative side. Getting hit in the head at
35
feet with a 22, or in the eye, or in the chest and falling overboard, and
drowning, or in the head and getting knocked overboard, but being able to
grab my boat, but I bleed to death because nobody can help me in time.

So this continued on Monday night, so Tuesday I said screw it, I am going
to
call the cops. I called the county sheriffs department. They sent out
an
officer to my place of employment and we talked about what happened. He
proceeded to inform me, that outside of this guy coming out and admitting
that he took a shot at me , there was "NOTHING" he could do to this
"person". Which, not only ****ed me off, it sent me into an even worse
spiral. So now, it is alright to take a shot at a fisherman, with a
weapon
that could very well be lethal at 35' , and as long as I do not have a
witness and as long as they are on their property, there is nothing you
can
do????? I know that it is easy to say, "at least you are all right
(physically), and that "they are not stalking you, so get over it", or
"time
will heal". It doesn't excuse the fact that there is no consequence for
a
situation like this! That kills me, I wasn't ready to say goodbye to my
wife, friends, and family. Especially not because some idiot thought it
would be cool to see how close he could get to a fisherman.

I apologize for such a long post, I haven't slept more than 2 hours since
Sunday, I don't know what to do. I really am lost.

take care guys,

Chris

Almost Chris No More (long)
 

I wanted to thank everyone who posted on this subject. Time does heal, and
though I am still not happy with the outcome of my call to the Police, I
have moved on and put this in the past. I still tell the story to those who
are willing to listen in hopes of finding a solution that is just for every
party involved.
On another note, it looks like my boat is ready to go into the marina
unfortunately! Steelhead are calling my name. Have a great winter
everyone!

Chris
"chris rennert" wrote in message
.. .
Was very excited to get to actually fish on Saturday after these last
couple of weeks of work. It was very nice out, maybe a little chilly, but
great to just be out.

Well I decided to go in and fish some largemouth's in a large channel
system I have fished about 1000 times before. I had just entered the
channel, I'd say I was about 30 yards off the lake and into the channel by
this time.

I want to say before I type this, this all happened within a fraction of a
second. I started moving up to a dock , to fish it had my jig rod in
hand, when all of a sudden I hear a pop, so I look up to where the pop
came from to see birds scatter, and then a whizzing sound, and then leaves
rustling on the other side of the channel. I then turned back to where
the pop came from, and here is a handle cranking the window closed on a
house, no more than 30 feet away from the center of the channel where I
am. Again, this all happened in the fraction of a second, yet I can still
see , feel, and hear it all as if it is in slow motion and happening right
now.

Well, needless to say, I can put two and two together, and as I stood
there stunned for what seemed like eternity, I finally snapped out of it,
threw my rod down, and jump on the outboard and got the hell out of there,
and out into the main lake to gather myself, and strap everything. I then
decided to run around the point to see if I could see this houses address,
but It was too far away. Mind you , this channel system is VERY
residential, houses lining both sides, and very nice houses. I was still
in shock after I went around the point, and just kind of motored around
aimlessly till I finally decided to just leave and pull my boat out. I
had my cell in my pocket, and had about 4 numbers dialed before I would
just close it and say forget it. I just couldn't believe that this really
happened.

I ended up at home, and actually slept great Saturday night, I kind of
wrote it off as a kid with a BB gun. I then talked to some friends who
hunt a lot , on Sunday. I told them step by step what happened, and my
feeling of what had happened. They proceeded to inform me that the
loudness of the pop led them to believe it was either a high powered
pellet rifle or a 22. Especially with the whizzing sound coming and going.
I have friends who were in the first Gulf War that tell me that Bullets
make a very distinct whizzing as they go past. It all happened so fast.
And as fast as the "person" cranked that window closed told me the story.
How close would it have to be for me to hear it!

I won't go into all the emotions I have been going through over the last
few days, but Sunday night I had nightmares , pretty much my mind going
through every possible scenario on the negative side. Getting hit in the
head at 35 feet with a 22, or in the eye, or in the chest and falling
overboard, and drowning, or in the head and getting knocked overboard, but
being able to grab my boat, but I bleed to death because nobody can help
me in time.

So this continued on Monday night, so Tuesday I said screw it, I am going
to call the cops. I called the county sheriffs department. They sent out
an officer to my place of employment and we talked about what happened.
He proceeded to inform me, that outside of this guy coming out and
admitting that he took a shot at me , there was "NOTHING" he could do to
this "person". Which, not only ****ed me off, it sent me into an even
worse spiral. So now, it is alright to take a shot at a fisherman, with a
weapon that could very well be lethal at 35' , and as long as I do not
have a witness and as long as they are on their property, there is nothing
you can do????? I know that it is easy to say, "at least you are all
right (physically), and that "they are not stalking you, so get over it",
or "time will heal". It doesn't excuse the fact that there is no
consequence for a situation like this! That kills me, I wasn't ready to
say goodbye to my wife, friends, and family. Especially not because some
idiot thought it would be cool to see how close he could get to a
fisherman.

I apologize for such a long post, I haven't slept more than 2 hours since
Sunday, I don't know what to do. I really am lost.

take care guys,

Chris

Almost Chris No More (long)
 

"chris rennert" wrote in message
...
I wanted to thank everyone who posted on this subject. Time does heal, and
though I am still not happy with the outcome of my call to the Police, I
have moved on and put this in the past. .



Are you not happy with the outcome of your call to the police, or your
reaction to the situation?

Almost Chris No More (long)
 

Mike,

I guess I can't be upset about how I reacted because I had no experience to
gauge it against. If it happens again, I would probably call the police
immediately, hindsight is 20/20 as I have heard ten million times.
I am really upset about how something like this happened and there was no
consequence for the party involved. Whether it was a kid "screwing" around,
an adult with a grudge, or just an straight up idiot, that is all irrelevant
to me, especially since the outcome treats all 3 in the exact regard, an
upstanding citizen who has done absolutely nothing wrong.
People can site fairness laws, and constitutional rights, and I understand
all those things, but where does that leave the victim.
Lets look at this scenario, the same thing happens, guy shoots, misses, I
happen to be carrying a firearm (illegal in Wisconsin or is it?????) in my
boat, pick it up, and with no intention of hitting this person, but since I
felt threatened I took a shot back, and it lands in his yard, nowhere near
him, but he sees the gun, hears the shot, and calls the cops. They meet me
at the launch, find the gun, and site me for at the very LEAST discharging a
firearm in a residential area, I am sure the DNR would get involved since I
discharged a firearm while using an electric motor. So my retaliation
creates nothing but problems for myself, right???
Scenario #2, same thing happens, guy shoots, misses, I happen to live across
the channel directly from his house. So I build up my anger, tie my boat up
to "my dock" , walk into my house, grab my gun, open a window, take a shot
with no intention of hitting this person, bullet lands in the grass
somewhere, nobody knows where, and from what I understand from what was
explained to me by the police, that guy could call the cops and they could
do absolutely nothing.
So too me, we could have a neighborhood war as long as nobody "AT THE VERY
LEAST" at someone else, let alone just flat out missing them
"unintentionally".
I know this is just hypothetical, and I could drop it, especially since I
didn't get hit, my boat didn't get hit, and everybody is ok??? Well,
everyone isn't ok, and that is where the problem lies.
Again I am an outdoors man, and would never dream of infringing on the
constitutional right of the right to arms, too many people actually did get
hit to give us that ability. I think it is up to those of us that do have
firearms to make very known that this type of thing is unacceptable , and
that solution shoves it up PETA's ass, as well as keeps the control within
firearm owners hands.

I apologize for ranting......

Chris
"Mike" wrote in message
...

"chris rennert" wrote in message
...
I wanted to thank everyone who posted on this subject. Time does heal,
and though I am still not happy with the outcome of my call to the Police,
I have moved on and put this in the past. .



Are you not happy with the outcome of your call to the police, or your
reaction to the situation?

Almost Chris No More (long)
 

Chris,
The laws are every bit as frustrating to the police. They are more
protective of the rights of the acused than the victims. But if we tip the
scales too far the other way, then we become a police state.

Scenario#1: The guy across the creek doesn't like you for whatever reason.
Knowing that you are a hunter and have guns, he reports to the police that
you took a shot a him. If we lived in a police state with out the individual
rights we are granted under the constitution , the cops would come, kick
down the door and find that you do have guns. They would take your guns,
arrest you and cart you off to jail. You are left with the burden of proving
that you didn't commit the act.
Our founding fathers had great foresight when they drafted the constitution,
but in a free nation there are the downsides also. We must constantly weigh
the scales between individual freedom and governmental protection.
Take care,
Mike

"chris rennert" wrote in message
...
Mike,

I guess I can't be upset about how I reacted because I had no experience
to gauge it against. If it happens again, I would probably call the
police immediately, hindsight is 20/20 as I have heard ten million times.
I am really upset about how something like this happened and there was no
consequence for the party involved. Whether it was a kid "screwing"
around, an adult with a grudge, or just an straight up idiot, that is all
irrelevant to me, especially since the outcome treats all 3 in the exact
regard, an upstanding citizen who has done absolutely nothing wrong.
People can site fairness laws, and constitutional rights, and I understand
all those things, but where does that leave the victim.
Lets look at this scenario, the same thing happens, guy shoots, misses, I
happen to be carrying a firearm (illegal in Wisconsin or is it?????) in my
boat, pick it up, and with no intention of hitting this person, but since
I felt threatened I took a shot back, and it lands in his yard, nowhere
near him, but he sees the gun, hears the shot, and calls the cops. They
meet me at the launch, find the gun, and site me for at the very LEAST
discharging a firearm in a residential area, I am sure the DNR would get
involved since I discharged a firearm while using an electric motor. So
my retaliation creates nothing but problems for myself, right???
Scenario #2, same thing happens, guy shoots, misses, I happen to live
across the channel directly from his house. So I build up my anger, tie
my boat up to "my dock" , walk into my house, grab my gun, open a window,
take a shot with no intention of hitting this person, bullet lands in the
grass somewhere, nobody knows where, and from what I understand from what
was explained to me by the police, that guy could call the cops and they
could do absolutely nothing.
So too me, we could have a neighborhood war as long as nobody "AT THE VERY
LEAST" at someone else, let alone just flat out missing them
"unintentionally".
I know this is just hypothetical, and I could drop it, especially since I
didn't get hit, my boat didn't get hit, and everybody is ok??? Well,
everyone isn't ok, and that is where the problem lies.
Again I am an outdoors man, and would never dream of infringing on the
constitutional right of the right to arms, too many people actually did
get hit to give us that ability. I think it is up to those of us that do
have firearms to make very known that this type of thing is unacceptable
, and that solution shoves it up PETA's ass, as well as keeps the control
within firearm owners hands.

I apologize for ranting......

Chris
"Mike" wrote in message
...

"chris rennert" wrote in message
...
I wanted to thank everyone who posted on this subject. Time does heal,
and though I am still not happy with the outcome of my call to the
Police, I have moved on and put this in the past. .



Are you not happy with the outcome of your call to the police, or your
reaction to the situation?

Almost Chris No More (long)
 

I agree with you Mike, I do not doubt the police are just as frustrated. I
don't wish to have a Police State, I value the freedoms that I have, with
life being one of those freedoms.
I guess that is all that can be really said on the subject, I really
appreciate all your feedback, and the reality is, there is nothing I can do
, but move forward.

Thanks again,

Chris
"Mike" wrote in message
...
Chris,
The laws are every bit as frustrating to the police. They are more
protective of the rights of the acused than the victims. But if we tip the
scales too far the other way, then we become a police state.

Scenario#1: The guy across the creek doesn't like you for whatever reason.
Knowing that you are a hunter and have guns, he reports to the police that
you took a shot a him. If we lived in a police state with out the
individual rights we are granted under the constitution , the cops would
come, kick down the door and find that you do have guns. They would take
your guns, arrest you and cart you off to jail. You are left with the
burden of proving that you didn't commit the act.
Our founding fathers had great foresight when they drafted the
constitution, but in a free nation there are the downsides also. We must
constantly weigh the scales between individual freedom and governmental
protection.
Take care,
Mike

"chris rennert" wrote in message
...
Mike,

I guess I can't be upset about how I reacted because I had no experience
to gauge it against. If it happens again, I would probably call the
police immediately, hindsight is 20/20 as I have heard ten million times.
I am really upset about how something like this happened and there was no
consequence for the party involved. Whether it was a kid "screwing"
around, an adult with a grudge, or just an straight up idiot, that is all
irrelevant to me, especially since the outcome treats all 3 in the exact
regard, an upstanding citizen who has done absolutely nothing wrong.
People can site fairness laws, and constitutional rights, and I
understand all those things, but where does that leave the victim.
Lets look at this scenario, the same thing happens, guy shoots, misses, I
happen to be carrying a firearm (illegal in Wisconsin or is it?????) in
my boat, pick it up, and with no intention of hitting this person, but
since I felt threatened I took a shot back, and it lands in his yard,
nowhere near him, but he sees the gun, hears the shot, and calls the
cops. They meet me at the launch, find the gun, and site me for at the
very LEAST discharging a firearm in a residential area, I am sure the DNR
would get involved since I discharged a firearm while using an electric
motor. So my retaliation creates nothing but problems for myself,
right???
Scenario #2, same thing happens, guy shoots, misses, I happen to live
across the channel directly from his house. So I build up my anger, tie
my boat up to "my dock" , walk into my house, grab my gun, open a window,
take a shot with no intention of hitting this person, bullet lands in the
grass somewhere, nobody knows where, and from what I understand from what
was explained to me by the police, that guy could call the cops and they
could do absolutely nothing.
So too me, we could have a neighborhood war as long as nobody "AT THE
VERY LEAST" at someone else, let alone just flat out missing them
"unintentionally".
I know this is just hypothetical, and I could drop it, especially since I
didn't get hit, my boat didn't get hit, and everybody is ok??? Well,
everyone isn't ok, and that is where the problem lies.
Again I am an outdoors man, and would never dream of infringing on the
constitutional right of the right to arms, too many people actually did
get hit to give us that ability. I think it is up to those of us that do
have firearms to make very known that this type of thing is unacceptable
, and that solution shoves it up PETA's ass, as well as keeps the control
within firearm owners hands.

I apologize for ranting......

Chris
"Mike" wrote in message
...

"chris rennert" wrote in message
...
I wanted to thank everyone who posted on this subject. Time does heal,
and though I am still not happy with the outcome of my call to the
Police, I have moved on and put this in the past. .



Are you not happy with the outcome of your call to the police, or your
reaction to the situation?