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Envelope please .... http://groups.google.com/group/rec.o...hing.fly/about ;-) -- Ken Fortenberry |
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote ... And the all-time top poster to roff is .... Envelope please .... http://groups.google.com/group/rec.o...hing.fly/about ;-) -- Ken Fortenberry Interesting info. Be nice to the guy in ROFB who just said "baseball ethics is [sic] a joke". :-) Dan |
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wrote: Be nice to the guy in ROFB who just said "baseball ethics is [sic] a joke". :-) 'Ethics', like 'mathematics' etc., can be either singular or plural. And Fowler, in 'Modern English useage', would probably favour a singular here. 'The presence of a singular noun complement often makes the verb singular: "Mathematics, or even Athletics, is his strong point." ' Lazarus -- Remover the rock from the email address |
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Daniel-San wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote ... http://groups.google.com/group/rec.o...hing.fly/about Interesting info. Be nice to the guy in ROFB who just said "baseball ethics is [sic] a joke". :-) To hear some of those guys prattle on about "professional tournament fishing" you'd think a day of fishing was like going ten rounds with Muhammad Ali. They're serious as a heart attack about competitive fishing, hell even their 'Claves (they call them Classics) are fishing contests. And then there's this guy: "When ESPN airs a "trout fishing competition" are they doing it because it is a sport or because they just like seeing men wade around in rubber pants? I urge you again to go into your fly fishing group and tell that crowd they aren't involved in a sport.I guarantee you a lot of them would have their rubber britches in a wad!" So, OK. Fly fishing is not a sport, baseball is a sport, football is a sport, fly fishing is recreation. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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"Lazarus Cooke" wrote ... Daniel-San Be nice to the guy in ROFB who just said "baseball ethics is [sic] a joke". :-) 'Ethics', like 'mathematics' etc., can be either singular or plural. And Fowler, in 'Modern English useage', would probably favour a singular here. A grammarian I ain't -- I was just pointing it out to Ken. From what I've noticed (which, after 102 Dead shows isn't an awful lot), the use of the singular here is a British 'thing'. For example: In American, we would (probably) say "U2 is one of my favorite bands". In English, they would probably say "U2 are one of my favorite bands." Just using U2 as an example. 'The presence of a singular noun complement often makes the verb singular: "Mathematics, or even Athletics, is his strong point." ' Lazarus -- Dan |
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote ... Daniel-San wrote: So, OK. Fly fishing is not a sport, baseball is a sport, football is a sport, fly fishing is recreation. To me (for whatever small change that may be worth), it's not a sport until it requires physical skill(s) not possessed by the average person. I sure as hell can't hit a Major League fastball. But I can catch a bass. -- Ken Fortenberry Dan |
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On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:33:15 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: So, OK. Fly fishing is not a sport, baseball is a sport, football is a sport, fly fishing is recreation. Baseball, football, basketball, et al are GAMES. As someone once said, the only "sports" are mountain climbing, auto racing, and bull fighting. And, yes, flyfishing is a recreation. bmiak d;o) |
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"Daniel-San" wrote in message .. . "Ken Fortenberry" wrote ... Daniel-San wrote: So, OK. Fly fishing is not a sport, baseball is a sport, football is a sport, fly fishing is recreation. To me (for whatever small change that may be worth), it's not a sport until it requires physical skill(s) not possessed by the average person. I sure as hell can't hit a Major League fastball. But I can catch a bass. Hm..... It looks like you're saying that hitting a major league fastball is a sport while baseball (played at one level or another by tens of millions of people in the U.S......the majority of whom, by definition, cannot possess greater than average skills) in general is not. The same would of course be true with regard to some analogous feat (if you'll pardon the pun) in football (played by hundreds of millions of people worldwide......most of them with no more than average skills). But then, most people who try can catch a bass. It follows that there must be some level of bass catching skills at which this too becomes a sport. And, since we have only the one criterion by which to judge, there must be a level at which macramé, Parcheesi, Christmas tree decorating, and shaving become sports. I think we may need to tweak this definition a bit. :) Wolfgang |
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"Wolfgang" wrote ... "Daniel-San" .. Hm..... I think we may need to tweak this definition a bit. :) Ok, let's give it a shot. Me thinks I should have said ... playing it well requires physical skills..... The "playing it well" part seems to indicate that there is some sort of an elite group present in the sport -- defined by physical skills. MLB, NFL, NBA, etc. are the elite of the 'sports' played by millions. Michael Jordan, Mark Grace, Joe Montana, etc. were all players with exceptional physical (and probably mental -- for the 'sport') abilities. They played their respective games very well. Bill Dance, OTOH, is one hell of a bass fisherman. The real difference betwixt he and I (other than various preferences in the method-of-take department) is knowledge. He knows (and for the sake of discusssion, let's pretend he's calling the shots on his show. I ain't got a clue who really does...) where to put the boat, where to cast, how fast to reel in whatever he's throwing, etc. But I doubt his contract with OLN has a dimished skills clause. Dan |
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The fact the flyfishing is a recreation and not a competitive activity
is the thing that attracts me to it. I will admit that I have flung lures at bass and catfish, but it was a solo activity. I would never consort with the BASS crowd with their fancy boats pulled by equally fancy pickups, wearing their fancy bass accoutrements. The lure (no pun intended) for me is the solitude, the contemplative nature of fishing by oneself without the pressure of outdoing ones companion. The whole competition thing is anathema to the experience I seek. Standing in a stream in rubber pants, as they so derisively put it, is the most relaxing thing I can think of. That having been said, the cameraderie of like-minded fellows only makes the experience all the better. So, hand me my waders and let's go slosh about in the brook. I ain't apologizing for my "recreation". --Steve (throw in some beer and sandwiches and I'm there) |
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That was none other than Ernest Hemingway, who was something of a
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says... So, OK. Fly fishing is not a sport, baseball is a sport, football is a sport, fly fishing is recreation. www.dictionary.com turns up the below as definitions of the word sport. Seems to me that every one of the meanings could be construed to be about flyfishing, except possible (9). Kevin, sportin' fool sport Audio pronunciation of "sport" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sp?rt, sprt) n. 1. 1. Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively. 2. A particular form of this activity. 2. An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively. 3. An active pastime; recreation. 4. 1. Mockery; jest: He made sport of his own looks. 2. An object of mockery, jest, or play: treated our interests as sport. 3. A joking mood or attitude: She made the remark in sport. 5. 1. One known for the manner of one's acceptance of rules, especially of a game, or of a difficult situation: a poor sport. 2. Informal. One who accepts rules or difficult situations well. 3. Informal. A pleasant companion: was a real sport during the trip. 6. Informal. 1. A person who lives a jolly, extravagant life. 2. A gambler at sporting events. 7. Biology. An organism that shows a marked change from the normal type or parent stock, typically as a result of mutation. 8. Maine. See summercater. See Regional Note at summercater. 9. Obsolete. Amorous dalliance; lovemaking. |
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Kevin Vang wrote:
says... So, OK. Fly fishing is not a sport, baseball is a sport, football is a sport, fly fishing is recreation. www.dictionary.com turns up the below as definitions of the word sport. Seems to me that every one of the meanings could be construed to be about flyfishing, except possible (9). Kevin, sportin' fool Oh codswallop meniscus, we don't need no steenking dictionaries. And besides (9) is the *best* fit of the whole lot. 9. Obsolete. Amorous dalliance; lovemaking. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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It's less important than whether to use oval or round wire when tying a
'Reelin Red', but the English too would say 'U2 is one of my favo(u)rite bands'. I wouldn't. I'm not keen on them. ;) L |
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It's less important than whether to use oval or round wire when tying a
'Reelin Red', but the English too would say 'U2 is one of my favo(u)rite bands'. I wouldn't. I'm not keen on them. ;) L |
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"Daniel-San" wrote in message . .. "Wolfgang" wrote ... I think we may need to tweak this definition a bit. :) Ok, let's give it a shot. Me thinks I should have said ... playing it well requires physical skills..... The "playing it well" part seems to indicate that there is some sort of an elite group present in the sport -- defined by physical skills. MLB, NFL, NBA, etc. are the elite of the 'sports' played by millions. Michael Jordan, Mark Grace, Joe Montana, etc. were all players with exceptional physical (and probably mental -- for the 'sport') abilities. They played their respective games very well. Bill Dance, OTOH, is one hell of a bass fisherman. The real difference betwixt he and I (other than various preferences in the method-of-take department) is knowledge. He knows (and for the sake of discusssion, let's pretend he's calling the shots on his show. I ain't got a clue who really does...) where to put the boat, where to cast, how fast to reel in whatever he's throwing, etc. But I doubt his contract with OLN has a dimished skills clause. "Sport" is one of those words that most of us tend to use rather casually, but which turns out to be a pretty tough concept to pin down upon close examination. Looking again at the examples I cited earlier, baseball and football, played at sandlot or street level, I think that most people would have no trouble accepting these as "sport" in a clean and uncontroversial sense of the term. But things rapidly get more complicated as we look at a list of commonly sensed connotations and compare these with many equally common practices which are thought by many to be sports....or sporting activities. Some examples...... Commonly perceived and widely accepted attributes of sports include: 1. they are leisure time activities, 2. they are harmless....at least in intent....and when practiced in accordance with standard safety measures, 3. they involve physical exercise of some sort. 4. participation is voluntary. 1. Would exclude any "sport" engaged in only professionally....that is to say, for pay; Indy car racing, for instance. It would also exclude practice at that level for any activity......professional baseball, as opposed to Little League. But where does that leave college or Olympic athletes who are often heavily subsidized? How about club footballers? Part time bush league players? On the other hand, spectators at any of these events ARE engaged in a leisure time activity, ainna? Is watching the sport? Hm.....see number 3. 2. Obviously excludes bear or bull baiting. Dogfights, bullfights, and cockfights are also obviously eliminated. Boxing? Well, the whole point of the exercise is to hurt someone else, right? Fox hunting.....tally ho! Arguably justifiable back in the day when foxes were a demonstrable threat to one chicken coop.....but a sport? And then (you knew it was coming!) there's angling. Leaving aside the (mostly) inconsequential damage we do ourselves in the process, the fish, were they allowed to vote, would likely invoke number 4 above. 3. High stakes poker, even assuming it could squeak by 1. and 2. would surely fail on any but the most absurdly liberal interpretation of "exercise". Well, how about ping pong? I used to work up a good sweat. Shuffleboard? Chess? 4. Kennie, davie, davie, stevie, dicklet, jon, et al. are here of their own volition as far as I can tell. So, yeah, I AM a sportsman! :) Wolfgang see what i mean? |
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"7. Biology. An organism that shows a marked change from the normal
type or parent stock, typically as a result of mutation." I think I used to date her. Frank Reid |
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"Wolfgang" wrote And.....what?.....you think that's easy? Wolfgang does anyone know if one's total postings include those made under all isp's? f'rinstance, i am listed under my former station as wayno@netmcr; i have been for quite a while. i mean, i want to get all the glory that's due myownself, doncha know... yfitons wayno |
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On 16 Nov 2005 08:46:47 -0800, "lazarus"
wrote: It's less important than whether to use oval or round wire when tying a 'Reelin Red', but the English too would say 'U2 is one of my favo(u)rite bands'. I wouldn't. I'm not keen on them. ;) L Um, it potentially would be "U2 is/is not one of our favourite bands".... HTH, R ....well, granted, some of them are more English than others... |
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On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:47:14 GMT, "Daniel-San"
wrote: "Ken Fortenberry" wrote ... Daniel-San wrote: So, OK. Fly fishing is not a sport, baseball is a sport, football is a sport, fly fishing is recreation. To me (for whatever small change that may be worth), it's not a sport until it requires physical skill(s) not possessed by the average person. I sure as hell can't hit a Major League fastball. But I can catch a bass. I have a lot of problems with some 'sports', even at the Olympic level. I cannot accept any sport that takes away points if the participant is not smiling at all times, i.e. synchronized swimming and ballroom dancing. I can accept figure skating. All are good exercise, fun to watch, and I'm sure the participants take them with extreme seriousness at the competition level. Oh, yeah, cheerleading, though very active, only approaches being a sport when they do gymnastic things, which would detract from any action on the field of the sport they're supposed to be getting the cheers going for. Cyli r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels. Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless. http://www.visi.com/~cyli email: lid (strip the .invalid to email) |
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In Britain, 'sports' were originally just hunting, shooting and
fishing. The term broadened (quite recently) so that now the definition is much the same (with the same arguments) as in the US. I imagine that this early definition - ie 'sports' always involve killing (or trying to kill) something - was there in american english too. Will explore. Lazarus -- Remover the rock from the email address |
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"Me thinks I should have said ... playing it well requires physical
skills..... " So, you're saying that anything I participate in is not a sport? Frank Reid (unless, of course, you count Reiding. Takes a lot of skill that.) |
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pace whoever-it-was who said we don't need no dictionaries, I've just checked in the historical Oxford English Dictionary and the Dictionary of American English (since I'm in the library and should be doing something else). In britain sport meaning killing things first mentioned in Walton's compleat angler, 1653. Sport meaning an organized game more than two hundred years later. American useage doesn't differ - early references to 'sporting cartridges' in the eighteenth century suggest killing. The one big American difference is that, right from the eighteenth century, 'sporting' and 'sportsman' often used to refer to gambling. Stdhaa (Sure this doesn't help at all) L |
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"lazarus cooke" wrote in message oups.com... pace whoever-it-was who said we don't need no dictionaries, I've just checked in the historical Oxford English Dictionary and the Dictionary of American English (since I'm in the library and should be doing something else). In britain sport meaning killing things first mentioned in Walton's compleat angler, 1653. Sport meaning an organized game more than two hundred years later. American useage doesn't differ - early references to 'sporting cartridges' in the eighteenth century suggest killing. The one big American difference is that, right from the eighteenth century, 'sporting' and 'sportsman' often used to refer to gambling. Stdhaa (Sure this doesn't help at all) L Lazarus, since you're in the library, I have a question for you. Why are fisherman called anglers? -tom |
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Tom Nakashima wrote:
Lazarus, since you're in the library, I have a question for you. Why are fisherman called anglers? -tom I think it refers to the "angle" of a fish hook: Dost thou draw leviathan with an angle? And with a rope thou lettest down -- his tongue? (YLT) Job 41:1 -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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On 11/18/05 2:46 PM, in article , "Tom
Nakashima" wrote: Lazarus, since you're in the library, I have a question for you. Why are fisherman called anglers? -tom It's evening in London and Lazarus has surely (surely!) retired to the nearest pub, whence it is unlikely he has wireless access to the OED. I, however, am on EST and am still SHSBDSE and can tippity-tap into the OED as well as the next man. "Angler" of course stems from "angle", which has been in the English language for quite some time- according to the clever folks in Oxford, it was referred to by King Aelfred way on back in 880. In Old English the word was "angul" and its cognates were the Old High German and Old Saxon. It, of course, refers to the fishing hook itself, became the verb "to angle" in 1496 and then, long about 1552, the person who uses the angle to catch fish. This is all, of course, presuming that you aren't just setting me up for a one liner joke. Hwaet! Bill |
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"William Claspy" wrote in message ... On 11/18/05 2:46 PM, in article , "Tom Nakashima" wrote: Lazarus, since you're in the library, I have a question for you. Why are fisherman called anglers? -tom It's evening in London and Lazarus has surely (surely!) retired to the nearest pub, whence it is unlikely he has wireless access to the OED. I, however, am on EST and am still SHSBDSE and can tippity-tap into the OED as well as the next man. "Angler" of course stems from "angle", which has been in the English language for quite some time- according to the clever folks in Oxford, it was referred to by King Aelfred way on back in 880. In Old English the word was "angul" and its cognates were the Old High German and Old Saxon. It, of course, refers to the fishing hook itself, became the verb "to angle" in 1496 and then, long about 1552, the person who uses the angle to catch fish. This is all, of course, presuming that you aren't just setting me up for a one liner joke. Hwaet! Bill Good explanation William, no joke and all seriousness aside, my brother-in-law asked me why fisherman are called anglers? I didn't have an answer for him, but told him I'll ask the experts on roff. -tom |
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On 11/18/05 3:43 PM, in article , "Tom
Nakashima" wrote: "William Claspy" wrote in message ... On 11/18/05 2:46 PM, in article , "Tom Nakashima" wrote: Lazarus, since you're in the library, I have a question for you. Why are fisherman called anglers? -tom It's evening in London and Lazarus has surely (surely!) retired to the nearest pub, whence it is unlikely he has wireless access to the OED. I, however, am on EST and am still SHSBDSE and can tippity-tap into the OED as well as the next man. "Angler" of course stems from "angle", which has been in the English language for quite some time- according to the clever folks in Oxford, it was referred to by King Aelfred way on back in 880. In Old English the word was "angul" and its cognates were the Old High German and Old Saxon. It, of course, refers to the fishing hook itself, became the verb "to angle" in 1496 and then, long about 1552, the person who uses the angle to catch fish. This is all, of course, presuming that you aren't just setting me up for a one liner joke. Hwaet! Bill Good explanation William, no joke and all seriousness aside, my brother-in-law asked me why fisherman are called anglers? I didn't have an answer for him, but told him I'll ask the experts on roff. -tom Two other interesting notes. I looked up "fisherman" to see when that word came about, and it (well, the earlier "fisher") was nearly simultaneous to "angler", and also came from northern Europe, Old Frisian. Because the online version of OED has so many cool ways to search, I thought I would see how many times Walton's Compleat Angler is quoted in the dictionary. It is quoted 644 times. Not as many as Shakespeare or Dickens, but not too shabby! Bill |
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wrote: It's evening in London and Lazarus has surely (surely!) retired to the nearest pub, whence it is unlikely he has wireless access to the OED. Hwaet, Bill! (first time that damn word has ever been any use to me since I learnt it thirty-five odd years ago). Your knowledge of my whereabouts is terrifying! You were quite right about my departure to the pub, but, you'll be glad to hear, although my email address is based in the modern building on Euston Road (which I actually like very much), the library I was in when I wrote, (and which I'm heading off to now) is the London Library, on St. James's Square, pretty much unchanged since it was founded by Thomas Carlyle. The Reading Room is surrounced by wrought iron galleries filled with arcane dictionaries, and the floor sprinkled with comfortable leather armchairs to doze in, a facility greatly appreciated by members. They do now have, believe it or not, this new-fangled computer device for the index. But it's only been in place for a few months. And it only covers things printed since 1950. For everything else you have to handle great leather-bound tomes with printed slips glued on on to pages. The up side is that members can themselves access books, and periodicals, from the ancient Victorian stacks, where books are arranged according to a bizarre London Library scheme. (There is one classification 'Science/Walking Sticks'). And you can borrow both books and periodcials. So if you want to take, say, the illustrated London News for 1867, or a first edition of Halford or Skues, home for a few weeks, you can. see http://webpac.londonlibrary.co.uk/ Have forgotten (if I ever knew) the OE for 'cheers' Lazarus -- Remover the rock from the email address |
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On 11/21/05 5:55 AM, in article
, "Lazarus Cooke" wrote: In article , William Claspy wrote: It's evening in London and Lazarus has surely (surely!) retired to the nearest pub, whence it is unlikely he has wireless access to the OED. Hwaet, Bill! (first time that damn word has ever been any use to me since I learnt it thirty-five odd years ago). Try peppering your daily language with it. You'll find it quite useful! :-) Your knowledge of my whereabouts is terrifying! :-) You were quite right about my departure to the pub, but, you'll be glad to hear, although my email address is based in the modern building on Euston Road (which I actually like very much), I only visited the public areas on the ground floor, and certainly liked that portion of it. Did not make a "professional" visit to the rest of the facility. I got side tracked in the exhibition area, bookstore and café...! the library I was in when I wrote, (and which I'm heading off to now) is the London Library, on St. James's Square, pretty much unchanged since it was founded by Thomas Carlyle. The Reading Room is surrounced by wrought iron galleries filled with arcane dictionaries, and the floor sprinkled with comfortable leather armchairs to doze in, a facility greatly appreciated by members. Mmmm, yes. I'm fond of both arcana AND armchairs! They do now have, believe it or not, this new-fangled computer device for the index. But it's only been in place for a few months. And it only covers things printed since 1950. For everything else you have to handle great leather-bound tomes with printed slips glued on on to pages. I did not experience it myself, but I have heard the British Museum Library (before the move to the new Euston Road facility) described exactly thus- that you had to consult the great tomes, fill out a request card for what you wanted, go out for tea, return in an hour or so to find the books waiting for you. Sounds romantic, but must have been hell to do any actual research! The up side is that members can themselves access books, and periodicals, from the ancient Victorian stacks, where books are arranged according to a bizarre London Library scheme. (There is one classification 'Science/Walking Sticks'). And you can borrow both books and periodcials. So if you want to take, say, the illustrated London News for 1867, or a first edition of Halford or Skues, home for a few weeks, you can. Worth the membership price! Although the notion of a private lending library is strange for those of us in the land of the free and the brave... see http://webpac.londonlibrary.co.uk/ Looks like an interesting place. I like the announcement for the members' drinks party right on the front page. :-) And I walked right past the place when I was in your town last November, didn't even know it was there. I have that feeling most of the time when walking London, that there is so much on each block of which I'm not even aware. Actually, the afternoon I walked past your library was just after I'd visited Farlow's on Pall Mall (obligatory fly fishing content). Have forgotten (if I ever knew) the OE for 'cheers' And I've already reached the (shallow) depth of my personal knowledge of OE. We'll just have to stick with... Cheers! Bill |
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William Claspy wrote: On 11/21/05 5:55 AM, in article , "Lazarus Cooke" wrote: In article , William Claspy wrote: Although the notion of a private lending library is strange for those of us in the land of the free and the brave... ?? I assume you're being ironic. Can anyone wander in off the street and use Harvard or Yale libraries? The LL is a charity - the sub covers only small part of the real cost. An American criticizing Britain for privatising knowledge is a bit like an Englishman telling the Italians they're too cold and unemotional, or an an Irishman deriding the feckless light-heartedness of the Germans and Swedes. Public museums, galleries and libraries in Britain (including the big one at Euston) are all free, to everyone. But in addition there's the BBC, that makes all those programmes that you guys have to pay to watch on Discovery or HBO. It is, sadly, America that's been trying to privatise and profit from publicly available knowledge. In particular the attempt by 'Darth' Venter to patent the public deciphering of the Human Genome project made by Sulston's international team at Cambridge, England. If the www had been invented by an American rather than an Englishman it might not be free. ;-) hwaet L |
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wrote: William Claspy wrote: wrote: In article , William Claspy wrote: Although the notion of a private lending library is strange for those of us in the land of the free and the brave... ?? I assume you're being ironic. Can anyone wander in off the street and use Harvard or Yale libraries? I bet *I* couldn't even get into Widener. Some of the (dozens of) Harvard libraries are open to the public though. Not sure about Yale. Can't vouch for Yale, but I've been into some of the Harvard libraries (they didn't kick me out or nothin'). Did you know they have books in those places? Some of 'em have pikturs and stuff. Some of 'em have blech poetry. ;-) I'll guess that Yale probably has the same open-door policy. When I was helping to research a project on anadromous fish, travels took me to five or six colleges, and I wasn't booted out of one. Well, at least not for just walking in. -- TL, Tim ------------------------ http://css.sbcma.com/timj/ |
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William Claspy wrote: Must make a note, however, to put the Bodleian on my list for a future trip. :-) Not sure if it's open to the public unless they need it for research. I remember when I was an undergraduate, reading Milton in my first term, discovering to my shock that I could go there and read it there in the first edition. Whoa, whoa, WHOA there! Just because I didn't put a smiley in doesn't mean you get to go all Wayne Knight on me! :-) eeeeeeeeeek (LC slither to a halt on his hind legs) But subscription lending libraries like the London Library are few and far between over on this side of the puddle, and I just thought it was something that most of my countrymen would find quaint, odd and rather Victorian. They're few and far between here, too. Except that it's essentially a club that specializes in its library and has little else (apart from Christmas drinks etc.) Don't you have any clubs with their own library? I don't know the case you mention of the Human Genome project. This is worth reading about. See, for example http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Ar...348541,00.html or just google 'sulston' and 'venter' Ps. And if you want to discuss turning profit on "public" commodities, how much cash should I bring along when you and I fish the Test? Or should we just aim for Donegal? :-) We had this one before. The Test isn't knowledge. Or a 'public commodity'. It's a place. People have been owning places for a while, and charging others admission. Not necessarily a good idea, but changing it will take a bit of work. And thanks to you I've wasted a hell of a lot of time this morning struggling through Anglo-Saxon Dictionaries (which are all anglo-saxon to English) and grammars, and anthologies, trying to find the OE for 'goodbye' to no avail. Finally found the text of an OE letter (there don't seem to be very many), but with no sign of a 'goodbye' in it at all. So don't expect me to be anything but curmudgeonly. LC |
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"William Claspy" wrote in message ... ...ps. So if they didn't kick you out for just walking in, what WERE you kicked out for? I got a shiny new nickel says it was for the unauthorized installation and application of a color enhancement module! :) Wolfgang who, it must be admitted, sometimes still has trouble coloring inside the box despite years of practice in many a public repository. :( |
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