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The cost of one day of the war in Iraq could pay for one year of health
insurance for 400,000 uninsured children.

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"rw" wrote in message
ink.net...
The cost of one day of the war in Iraq could pay for one year of health
insurance for 400,000 uninsured children.


it's a disgrace, and a nightmare.

but where are the children warriors, who drove lbj out of office? they,
and their parents, ourselves, are cowering in the fog of internet message
boards.

this nation is on its way down.

yfitons
wayno

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rw wrote:

The cost of one day of the war in Iraq could pay for one year of health
insurance for 400,000 uninsured children.


stunning, isn't it. wonder what we could do in the education field with
those funds? my state has a ridiculously hig drop out rate in high
school. have you seen the latest cuts proposed in congress to help with
the impossible budget crisis created by shrub and his minions?
appalling...

i think i can see the writing on the wall..."abandon all hope ye who
enter here".

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Jeff Miller wrote:
rw wrote:

The cost of one day of the war in Iraq could pay for one year of
health insurance for 400,000 uninsured children.


stunning, isn't it. wonder what we could do in the education field with
those funds? my state has a ridiculously hig drop out rate in high
school. have you seen the latest cuts proposed in congress to help with
the impossible budget crisis created by shrub and his minions? appalling...

i think i can see the writing on the wall..."abandon all hope ye who
enter here".

Do you remember that they told us the war would pay for itself with oil
revenues?

http://www.house.gov/schakowsky/iraqquotes_web.htm

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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 03:51:23 GMT, "Wayne Harrison"
wrote:


"rw" wrote in message
link.net...
The cost of one day of the war in Iraq could pay for one year of health
insurance for 400,000 uninsured children.


it's a disgrace, and a nightmare.

Now think about that statement a second. It isn't, "the cost could pay
to provide necessary, even life-saving treatment to a lot more than
400,000 children," it's framed in terms of paying for _insurance_ for
400,000 children. Sick or injured children who have no insurance
coverage don't need insurance, they need medical care, and healthy
children obviously don't need care - if you insure 400,000, some will go
without, but if treat those who actually need, more could be
accomplished.

but where are the children warriors, who drove lbj out of office?

Mostly, they're worried about other things - building up their IRAs,
buying the latest and greatest, be it a home, car, insuring rather than
treating, or (obROFF), new co-o-o-o-l FFing equipment. And since there
is no draft and they are well above the age to go IAC, there's nothing
to spur them to self-interest. And, of course, being a "hippie" isn't
nearly as appealing as it once seemed.

they, and their parents, ourselves, are cowering in the fog of
internet message boards.

Oh, you meant those in their late-teens to mid-twenties now...OK, let's
take a poll (OH, GOODY! A POLL!!):

(All questions based on 16-20 year olds)
1. What percent would you guess have cell phones?
2. What percent would you guess have tastes well beyond their means?
3. What percent would you guess have parents whose tastes are well
beyond their means?
4. What percent would you guess are taught some social responsibility?
5. What percent would you guess think looking and being able to act
like insert idiotic celeb here is one of the 3 top priorities of their
lives?
6. What percent would you guess would be satisfied with having hair
like John, Paul, George, and/or Ringo as opposed to having a $400,000
car, lots of gaudy "bling," and being a "gangsta mofo" just like Enema M
or 50 Nocents (and that's just the girls...)?
7. And for those with kids from 12 years old and up, what would you
guess that an objective observer might answer if the above questions
were limited to your kids and their friends?

this nation is on its way down.

IMO, being the eternal optimist, probably not, but when even those who
think of themselves as social liberals think of problems like sick kids
in terms of not having insurance, it's just another problem...

your friend, currently in the magnolia stat...er, iowa,
R

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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:18:44 -0500, Jeff Miller
wrote:

rw wrote:

The cost of one day of the war in Iraq could pay for one year of health
insurance for 400,000 uninsured children.


stunning, isn't it. wonder what we could do in the education field with
those funds? my state has a ridiculously hig drop out rate in high
school. have you seen the latest cuts proposed in congress to help with
the impossible budget crisis created by shrub and his minions?
appalling...

Hmmm...from the NC Department of Public Instruction:

During Clinton's last term:

"The dropout rate for students in grades seven through 12 was 4.6
percent in 1998-99. A total of 25,578 students dropped out last year in
these grades. In the previous reporting year, the rate was 3.61 percent
representing 19,541 students dropping out in 1997-98."

And the latest under Bush:

"North Carolina’s annual high school dropout rate was released for the
2003-04 school year, showing that 3.29 percent of students in grades
7-12 "

i think i can see the writing on the wall..."abandon all hope ye who
enter here".

Would that be on the wall of UNC or NC State? Oh, OK, for the
terminally-serious, G

Seriously, I'm sure you know those numbers are, um, "generous," but how
is spending more money going to help? It isn't going to be a matter of
throwing more money into a bottomless pit, it's going to be a matter of
spending whatever money in more meaningful way. And the biggest part
of the problem isn't educating the kids, it's educating the parents.

TC,
R

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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 15:59:42 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
"Wayne Harrison" wrote:
"rw" wrote:
The cost of one day of the war in Iraq could pay for one year of health
insurance for 400,000 uninsured children.

it's a disgrace, and a nightmare.


Now think about that statement a second. It isn't, "the cost could pay
to provide necessary, even life-saving treatment to a lot more than
400,000 children," it's framed in terms of paying for _insurance_ for
400,000 children. Sick or injured children who have no insurance
coverage don't need insurance, they need medical care, and healthy
children obviously don't need care - if you insure 400,000, some will go
without, but if treat those who actually need, more could be
accomplished.

I'm surprised to hear you coming out in favor of socialized
medicine. I think it's a ****ing disgrace that we don't have
it in this country already.

And you've not heard me come out in favor of socialized medicine. It's
just a ****ed-up quasi insurance company run by bureaucrats,and as such,
it doesn't work, either. First and foremost, the _health care_ system
in this country is pretty good, with relatively few going without. In
fact, I'd guess (but don't know absolutely) that overall care would
probably decrease with socialized medicine.

OTOH, the payment scheme is screwed up beyond belief and that idea that
people need insurance rather than the underlying treatment that
insurance _might_ be called upon to provide is part of why it is so
screwed up. Figure in overall malpractice costs (or really, costs
resulting from the ridiculous awards - you want to punish a truly
negligent doctor? Yank his license and toss his ass in jail, but don't
give some individual 100 million USD...minus 40% and costs...), product
and premise liability costs, bureaucratic costs, advertising costs,
across-the-board profit, etc., and at the end of the day, there's going
to be a bill for all that extra slop in the trough.

TC,
R

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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 02:44:19 GMT, rw
wrote:

The cost of one day of the war in Iraq could pay for one year of health
insurance for 400,000 uninsured children.

And you, acting independently without help from the government, could
reduce that to 399,998.

Instead of sitting and complaining, bitching and moaning about Bush,
why don't you DO something. You haven't an idea on how to solve any
problems except to bitch and moan. Why don't you use some of that
retirement money or investment money and help a couple of kids?

Dave

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Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 02:44:19 GMT, rw
wrote:


The cost of one day of the war in Iraq could pay for one year of health
insurance for 400,000 uninsured children.


And you, acting independently without help from the government, could
reduce that to 399,998.

Instead of sitting and complaining, bitching and moaning about Bush,
why don't you DO something. You haven't an idea on how to solve any
problems except to bitch and moan. Why don't you use some of that
retirement money or investment money and help a couple of kids?

I'm not bitching and moaning. I'm merely stating a fact. If you don't
like it, too bad.

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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:00:58 GMT, rw
wrote:

I'm not bitching and moaning. I'm merely stating a fact. If you don't
like it, too bad.

It's not a question of liking it or not. YOU could do something, yet
you don't. That's bitchin and moanin in my book. Now, if you don't
like my position, too bad.

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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:00:58 GMT, rw
wrote:

I'm not bitching and moaning. I'm merely stating a fact. If you don't
like it, too bad.

It's not a question of liking it or not. YOU could do something, yet
you don't. That's bitchin and moanin in my book. Now, if you don't
like my position, too bad.

Hm.......

You know, a boy almost has to wonder what it is about a simple expression of
concern about other human beings......and especially children.....that
invariably causes the tops of yours and dicklet's heads to blow off.

Um......seriously.......right, dicklet? :)

Wolfgang

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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 15:17:31 -0600, "Wolfgang"
wrote:

You know, a boy almost has to wonder what it is about a simple expression of
concern about other human beings....

Could it be because you bitch and moan and never come up with an
original idea on how to help them, or even put your money where your
mouth is? Is that what's botherin' ya, Binky?

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Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 15:17:31 -0600, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


You know, a boy almost has to wonder what it is about a simple expression of
concern about other human beings....


Could it be because you bitch and moan and never come up with an
original idea on how to help them, or even put your money where your
mouth is? Is that what's botherin' ya, Binky?

Here's an idea: Stop the pointless, bloody, no-exit-strategy,
based-on-lies war in Iraq, bring our troops home, and have hundreds of
billions of dollars per year to spend on stuff that's actually valuable.

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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 15:17:31 -0600, "Wolfgang"
wrote:

You know, a boy almost has to wonder what it is about a simple expression
of
concern about other human beings....

Could it be because you bitch and moan and never come up with an
original idea on how to help them, or even put your money where your
mouth is? Is that what's botherin' ya, Binky?

Well, if you call raucous laughter a sign of bother, then that's me all
over, sarge.

Wolfgang
but then, it ain't MY evil grandchildren turning on the spit out in the back
yard.......ainna? :)

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stunning, isn't it. wonder what we could do in the education field with
those funds?

Our society is hugely wasteful in the private sector, too, Jeff. I'm
retired now, so my data are not the latest; but I'll bet it's still
true, as it was 20-30 years ago, that we spend more money on
advertising every year than on all of higher education.

(Think of the thousands of poor kids we could send to college with the
money spent just on tobacco advertising!)

During the first decade of the space program, when we sent a man to to
moon and back, we spent five times as much on advertising as on the
space program.

Some of it (e.g., the Yellow Pages) served a useful purpose; most of
it served no socially-useful purpose at all. It merely enabled the
advertisers to reap monopoly profits.

vince

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On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 03:07:38 GMT, rw
wrote:

Here's an idea: Stop the pointless, bloody, no-exit-strategy,
based-on-lies war in Iraq, bring our troops home, and have hundreds of
billions of dollars per year to spend on stuff that's actually valuable.

Like I said: Come up with an original idea and put your money where
your mouth is. Don't rely on the guvment to solve all of your
"problems." Act on your own, Steve. DO SOMETHING!

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Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 03:07:38 GMT, rw
wrote:


Here's an idea: Stop the pointless, bloody, no-exit-strategy,
based-on-lies war in Iraq, bring our troops home, and have hundreds of
billions of dollars per year to spend on stuff that's actually valuable.


Like I said: Come up with an original idea and put your money where
your mouth is. Don't rely on the guvment to solve all of your
"problems." Act on your own, Steve. DO SOMETHING!

GWB and his cronies have driven the bus into the ditch. Someone has to
get it out.

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"vincent p. norris" wrote in message
...
stunning, isn't it. wonder what we could do in the education field with
those funds?

Our society is hugely wasteful in the private sector, too, Jeff. I'm
retired now, so my data are not the latest; but I'll bet it's still
true, as it was 20-30 years ago, that we spend more money on
advertising every year than on all of higher education.

(Think of the thousands of poor kids we could send to college with the
money spent just on tobacco advertising!)

During the first decade of the space program, when we sent a man to to
moon and back, we spent five times as much on advertising as on the
space program.

Some of it (e.g., the Yellow Pages) served a useful purpose; most of
it served no socially-useful purpose at all. It merely enabled the
advertisers to reap monopoly profits.

I think that depends on who you mean by "the advertisers". If it's the
folks paying for the advertising, it's debatable at best. While there have
certainly been cases of monopolies (or near monopolies) reaping profits
attributable at least in part to successful advertising campaigns (Roland
Marchand's "AT&T: The Vision of a Loved Monopoly"* is an excellent treatment
of just such a case), it is more often the case that vast ad budgets benefit
the producers and distributors at least as much.....if not much more
than.....those paying for it. Moreover, those huge budgets are typically
the provenance of companies locked in deadly competition with equally (or
near enough) large and prosperous (and all too often indistinguishable)
opponents........Coke-Pepsi.......Ford-GM.....Miller-Anheuser Busch.....the
various tobacco companies, etc.

Wolfgang
* in "Colossus: How the Corporation Changed America", Jack Beatty (ed.),
Broadway Books, New York, 2001, pp. 179-205.

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
I'm surprised to hear you coming out in favor of socialized
medicine. I think it's a ****ing disgrace that we don't have
it in this country already.

Considering the influence and power wielded by the pharmaceutical
companies, HMO's, and a large percentage of AMA members, we are just as
likely to see socialized oil production.

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On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 03:22:29 GMT, rw
wrote:

GWB and his cronies have driven the bus into the ditch. Someone has to
get it out.

I'll say it again: Do something. Stop moanin' about the world. YOU
can do something. We all can. But, it appears that you are not
willing to put your life on the line or your money where your mouth
is. Too sad.

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On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 03:22:29 GMT, rw wrote:

GWB and his cronies have driven the bus into the ditch. Someone has to
get it out.

Dave is probably referring to this on the theme of "one person can make a
difference": http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1015-04.htm g
--
Charlie...
http://www.chocphoto.com

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Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 03:22:29 GMT, rw
wrote:


GWB and his cronies have driven the bus into the ditch. Someone has to
get it out.


I'll say it again: Do something. Stop moanin' about the world. YOU
can do something. We all can. But, it appears that you are not
willing to put your life on the line or your money where your mouth
is. Too sad.

You are evidently insane, LaCourse.

At least you've given up explicitly defending this godawful ****ed up war.

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On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 08:17:21 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:

Dave is probably referring to this on the theme of "one person can make a
difference": http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1015-04.htm g
--

Hardly. If Barnard is concerned about children then he should put his
money where his mouth is. HE should make it possible for a couple of
kids to have insurance. We all know he has the money, so why not
spend some of it on a worthy cause instead of bitchin and moanin about
it. His trip to Bali would buy a helluva lot of insurance for a
couple of kids. What he is now employing is called the "Kerry
Option." With an income of more than $300,000 back in the 90s, Kerry
chose to give a whopping $300 to charity, and then turns around and
wants to raise taxes "for the children." He won't spend his money but
sure as hell wants to spend ours.

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Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 08:17:21 -0500, Charlie Choc
wrote:


Dave is probably referring to this on the theme of "one person can make a
difference": http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1015-04.htm g
--


Hardly. If Barnard is concerned about children then he should put his
money where his mouth is. HE should make it possible for a couple of
kids to have insurance. We all know he has the money, so why not
spend some of it on a worthy cause instead of bitchin and moanin about
it. His trip to Bali would buy a helluva lot of insurance for a
couple of kids. What he is now employing is called the "Kerry
Option." With an income of more than $300,000 back in the 90s, Kerry
chose to give a whopping $300 to charity, and then turns around and
wants to raise taxes "for the children." He won't spend his money but
sure as hell wants to spend ours.

First of all, I figure that my federal taxes last year, if devoted
solely to military spending, would pay for three minutes and 42 seconds
of the war. I'd rather it not be spent that way.

Secondly, you have no idea what charities I donate to or how much, and
I'm not telling.

Third, my Bali trip is costing me approximately nothing. The airfare
comes from a rewards program and I'm staying with friends.

Fourth, and once again, I'm gratified to see that even you, ROFF's own
bathtub general, has given up on defending this horrible, botched,
deceptive strategic blunder.

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On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 07:57:48 -0500, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 03:22:29 GMT, rw
wrote:

GWB and his cronies have driven the bus into the ditch. Someone has to
get it out.

I'll say it again: Do something. Stop moanin' about the world. YOU
can do something. We all can. But, it appears that you are not
willing to put your life on the line or your money where your mouth
is. Too sad.


But not as sad as one who is so totally consumed by monetary measurement, eh?

Not to mention how utterly tragic are the ****wits that voted for the nitwits
that made this all happen...

/daytripper ()

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daytripper wrote:
On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 07:57:48 -0500, Dave LaCourse
wrote:


On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 03:22:29 GMT, rw
wrote:


GWB and his cronies have driven the bus into the ditch. Someone has to
get it out.

I'll say it again: Do something. Stop moanin' about the world. YOU
can do something. We all can. But, it appears that you are not
willing to put your life on the line or your money where your mouth
is. Too sad.



But not as sad as one who is so totally consumed by monetary measurement, eh?

Not to mention how utterly tragic are the ****wits that voted for the nitwits
that made this all happen...

/daytripper ()

LaCourse if offering up the Republican/NeoCon talking point of the day:
The Democrats have no ideas, and all they can do is bitch and moan.

Dave apparently got the memo.

So here we are in Iraq, over 2000 US servicemen dead, ten times as many
wounded, many grievously, the insurgency picking up steam, after mistake
after mistake: the cooked intelligence, the rush to war, allowing
looting, disbanding the Iraqi army and sending them off unpaid with
their weapons, massive graft and corruption, and torture, for God's
sake. Torture! After this shameful, incompetent, deceitful, ruinous
performance, these ****wits have the gall to ask, "What's your solution?"

The only ray of hope is that, according to the polls, the public is no
longer swallowing this bull****.

--
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"rw" wrote in message

So here we are in Iraq, over 2000 US servicemen dead, ten times as many
wounded, many grievously, the insurgency picking up steam, after mistake
after mistake: the cooked intelligence, the rush to war, allowing
looting, disbanding the Iraqi army and sending them off unpaid with
their weapons, massive graft and corruption, and torture, for God's
sake. Torture! After this shameful, incompetent, deceitful, ruinous
performance, these ****wits have the gall to ask, "What's your solution?"

The only ray of hope is that, according to the polls, the public is no
longer swallowing this bull****.


I think the tide has turned on this debacle, at last, with the public
myopia. As I have stated elsewhere, the people responsible for dragging us
to war in Iraq, in a fair and just world, should be strung up by their
testicles and left to dangle from lampposts down Pennsylvania Avenue, so as
to serve as a warning to others who would "lead" us in such a fashion. Those
that supported, and still do support them, so vigorously will simply reap
the scorn and disgust of their children and grandchildren, who will no doubt
be paying for this folly. No worse fate could be imagined......
Tom

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On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:37:21 GMT, rw
wrote:

daytripper wrote:
On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 07:57:48 -0500, Dave LaCourse
wrote:


On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 03:22:29 GMT, rw
wrote:


GWB and his cronies have driven the bus into the ditch. Someone has to
get it out.

I'll say it again: Do something. Stop moanin' about the world. YOU
can do something. We all can. But, it appears that you are not
willing to put your life on the line or your money where your mouth
is. Too sad.



But not as sad as one who is so totally consumed by monetary measurement, eh?

Consumed by monetary measurement? Hmmmm. Explain yourself, please.

Not to mention how utterly tragic are the ****wits that voted for the nitwits
that made this all happen...

/daytripper ()

LaCourse if offering up the Republican/NeoCon talking point of the day:
The Democrats have no ideas, and all they can do is bitch and moan.

No, I am offering you the chance to do some good in this world; give
of yourself and your treasures and help a kid or two instead of
relying on the government to do it. It was the same thing during
Katrina. No one offered up advice, or their time/treasure/talents,
they simply bitched about how GWB ****ed it all up.

Dave apparently got the memo.

I got no memo and have no idea what you are refering to.

So here we are in Iraq, over 2000 US servicemen dead, ten times as many
wounded, many grievously, the insurgency picking up steam, after mistake
after mistake: the cooked intelligence, the rush to war, allowing
looting, disbanding the Iraqi army and sending them off unpaid with
their weapons, massive graft and corruption, and torture, for God's
sake. Torture! After this shameful, incompetent, deceitful, ruinous
performance, these ****wits have the gall to ask, "What's your solution?"

We are at war, and Iraq is simply a battle. There will be more
battles, and I hope and pray they do not occur on U.S. soil.

The only ray of hope is that, according to the polls, the public is no
longer swallowing this bull****.

And, what exactly does that have to do with you helping two children?
Do it, Barnard, and stop your complaining. For once in your life, do
something good.

At that included you, Tatosian.

Dave




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On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 13:51:16 GMT, rw
wrote:

Fourth, and once again, I'm gratified to see that even you, ROFF's own
bathtub general, has given up on defending this horrible, botched,
deceptive strategic blunder.

Ah, but I haven't. I see Iraq simply as a battlefield in an all out
war on terrorism. THEY aren't going away if we simply retreat from
Iraq. On the contrary, I believe it will encourage them because they
have defeated (once again) the big paper tiger called the U.S. of A.

Thanks for the promotion, btw.

And, don't forget that YOU can do something about some kids' medical
expenses. YOU!

Dave

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Dave LaCourse wrote:
snip
No, I am offering you the chance to do some good in this world; give
of yourself and your treasures and help a kid or two instead of
relying on the government to do it. It was the same thing during
Katrina. No one offered up advice, or their time/treasure/talents,
they simply bitched about how GWB ****ed it all up. ...

Apparently you don't understand *why* we have a government in
the first place. Here's a direct quote from the Owner's Manual:

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect
union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for
the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the
blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and
establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

So we do rely on the government, and not on the largesse of Steve
and Dave and Louie, to promote the general welfare.

Why do you hate America so much ? ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Dave LaCourse wrote:
snip
And, don't forget that YOU can do something about some kids' medical
expenses. YOU!

That's your current theme, you've repeated it several times
here lately, so tell us, outside your immediate family, how
many children's medical expenses do you personally pay for ?

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Dave LaCourse wrote in
:

I see Iraq simply as a battlefield in an all out
war on terrorism.

Well, it certainly is now, but wasn't before we went in.

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

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On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 21:38:48 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

So we do rely on the government, and not on the largesse of Steve
and Dave and Louie, to promote the general welfare.


But when is the last time the guvment gave out health care? It has
been a hot button for as long as I can remember, during good and bad
times. The good times of the 90s so us no closer to it that the bad
times of the late 70s.

Why do you hate America so much ? ;-)

I don't hate America, but I do dislike crackers that live in
Illernoise who should be living in North Cackalakie. d;o)

BTW, who won yesterday. I fell asleep watching the game.

D.

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On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 21:45:08 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

outside your immediate family, how
many children's medical expenses do you personally pay for ?


I'd rather not say, but I do.

Dave

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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
But when is the last time the guvment gave out health care?


did they get rid of Medicare and Medicaid?? I've been tying flies and stuff,
and seem to have missed something.
Tom

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Dave LaCourse wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Why do you hate America so much ? ;-)

I don't hate America, but I do dislike crackers that live in
Illernoise who should be living in North Cackalakie. d;o)

BTW, who won yesterday. I fell asleep watching the game.

The North Cackalacky Tarheels beat their archenemies Dook and
the Illini lost to those preppie pricks from Northwestern.

Which makes my decision not to make a football bet with the
boy lawyer this year seem downright prescient. I already owe
him two bottles of booze and dinner for two while dressed in
a powder blue outfit so I'd appreciate your not rubbing it in,
thank you very much.

--
Ken Fortenberry

a sense of perspective
 

"Thomas Littleton" wrote in message
news:bB5gf.4356$kw2.1964@trnddc05...

...Those
that supported, and still do support them, so vigorously will simply reap
the scorn and disgust of their children and grandchildren...

Nah, probably not.

Wolfgang
vietnam?....like, wasn't that back before mccartney was in wings,
dood.....like around washington and the civil war and stuff?

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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 21:38:48 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

So we do rely on the government, and not on the largesse of Steve
and Dave and Louie, to promote the general welfare.


But when is the last time the guvment gave out health care?

When was the last time you visited a military reservation?

Wolfgang
who thinks they really shouldn't let soldiers and sailors......especially
the latter......play with guns and ****.

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Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 21:38:48 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:


So we do rely on the government, and not on the largesse of Steve
and Dave and Louie, to promote the general welfare.



But when is the last time the guvment gave out health care?

Close of business, last Friday.

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