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AT this week says that "The taking of Freshwater Fish by rod & line for an
anglers own may be perfectly legal even if many anglers do not like this
activity"
Ok now some questions.

1. Does this apply to Club lakes, commercial fisheries & syndicate waters.
Or is this known as Theft.

2. On free stretches does this mean it is not Theft?

3. I have taken the odd Pike & eaten ie 5lb Jacks certainly no bigger, has
anyone else eaten any other freshwater fish?

4. is there a limit set out for taking fish for Live or Dead baiting?

5. Dose anyone have anything else to add?

Colin.
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Lowestoft
Suffolk.
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In message , Colin Jacobs
writes
AT this week says that "The taking of Freshwater Fish by rod & line for an
anglers own may be perfectly legal even if many anglers do not like this
activity"
Ok now some questions.

1. Does this apply to Club lakes, commercial fisheries & syndicate waters.
Or is this known as Theft.

From http://www.defra.gov.uk/paw/publications/law/4_1_10.htm :

"In England and Wales the Theft Act usually applies to fish in enclosed
waters and breeding tanks where they can be classed as property and not
as wild creatures. Under section 32 of and Schedule 1 to the Theft Act,
however, it is an offence unlawfully to take or destroy or attempt to
take or destroy any fish in private waters. Any person may arrest anyone
who is committing such an offence unless they are using rod and line in
daytime. In all cases conviction for an offence may lead to the
forfeiture or seizure of the fishing tackle involved."

So as I read that it isn't technically theft on a non-enclosed private
water, but it is still an offence under the theft act.

2. On free stretches does this mean it is not Theft?

Taking "stretches" to imply "river", yes. It may still be illegal,
however, depending on who owns the water. Permission to fish for free
does not guarantee permission to take fish away, and free fishing does
not necessarily mean that nobody owns the stretch.

3. I have taken the odd Pike & eaten ie 5lb Jacks certainly no bigger, has
anyone else eaten any other freshwater fish?

I've eaten pike, perch, zander and whitefish (the latter three not in
the UK). And trout, rainbow and brown, obviously.

--
Steve Walker

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In article , Steve Walker
wrote:
In message , Colin Jacobs
writes
AT this week says that "The taking of Freshwater Fish by rod & line for an
anglers own may be perfectly legal even if many anglers do not like this
activity"
Ok now some questions.

1. Does this apply to Club lakes, commercial fisheries & syndicate waters.
Or is this known as Theft.

From http://www.defra.gov.uk/paw/publications/law/4_1_10.htm :

"In England and Wales the Theft Act usually applies to fish in enclosed
waters and breeding tanks where they can be classed as property and not
as wild creatures. Under section 32 of and Schedule 1 to the Theft Act,
however, it is an offence unlawfully to take or destroy or attempt to
take or destroy any fish in private waters. Any person may arrest anyone
who is committing such an offence unless they are using rod and line in
daytime. In all cases conviction for an offence may lead to the
forfeiture or seizure of the fishing tackle involved."

So as I read that it isn't technically theft on a non-enclosed private
water, but it is still an offence under the theft act.

AIui: A fish in an open environment - connected to a river/canal or in a
water with multiple bankside owners is a wild creature and so has no owner.

You cannot steal what does not belong to someone. As and when it is caught
the fish becomes the property of the captor unless other contractual
obligations apply. If it is returned it is released into the wild.

In a completely enclosed pond they belong to the owner of the pond and so
the theft act (as above) does apply. In the UK the only such waters are
artificial - garden and farm ponds mostly. Any connection to another water,
even a tiny drain, is enough to make the fish wild btw. It only has to be
enough that the occasional fry or fish eggs *might* pass. The connection
does not have to be permanent, a winterbourne is a connection even if it is
dry 10 months of the year and a pond in a flood plain probably should be
considered connected to the adjacent river even if only at times of flooding.

2. On free stretches does this mean it is not Theft?

Taking "stretches" to imply "river", yes. It may still be illegal,
however, depending on who owns the water. Permission to fish for free
does not guarantee permission to take fish away, and free fishing does
not necessarily mean that nobody owns the stretch.

Sounds right, you might have worded it differently. The fish and the right
to fish for them are separate entities.

Don't forget that when you join a club, buy a ticket or otherwise arrange
permission to fish (*including taking any advantage of any general
dispensation) you are entering a contract and it may specify what happens to
anything you catch.

3. I have taken the odd Pike & eaten ie 5lb Jacks certainly no bigger, has
anyone else eaten any other freshwater fish?

I've eaten pike, perch, zander and whitefish (the latter three not in
the UK). And trout, rainbow and brown, obviously.

I've tried a few. Imo gudgeon are the best eating.

Cheerio,

--

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I've tried a few. Imo gudgeon are the best eating.

Cheerio,

--

How do you cook Gudgeon? The canal near me is full of them

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"Derek.Moody" wrote in message

In general -any- recipe that requires 'goujons' of plaice or sole is a
cheap
attempt to copy real gudgeon - so substitute the real thing.

erm.....

Noun: goujon goojun
1. Large catfish of central United States having a flattened head and
projecting jaw
- flathead catfish, mudcat, shovelnose catfish, spoonbill catfish,
Pylodictus olivaris

goujons:
plural noun

2. cookery.
Strips of fish or meat coated in flour, batter or breadcrumbs and
deep-fried.
Etymology: 1940s: French.

From : Dictionnaire de L'Académie française, 8th Edition

1. GOUJON. n. m. Petit poisson du genre Cyprin, qui se tient volontiers sur
les fonds sablonneux des rivières. Pêcher du goujon. Des goujons frits. Un
plat de goujons.

in English:
Small fish of the Cyprin kind, which is caught readily on the sandy mouths
of the rivers. To fish for goujons. Fried goujons. A dish of goujons.

2. GOUJON. n. m. T. d'Arts. Petite gouge de sculpteur. Il désigne aussi une
Petite cheville de fer qui sert à lier les pièces de certains ouvrages, de
certaines machines. Assembler des planches avec des goujons. Goujon de
poulie.

in English :

Of the Arts. Small gouge of a sculptor. The lexicon also shows this as a
Small angle iron which is used to bind the parts of certain works, certain
machines. To assemble boards with pins ( or nails ). Centre Pin of a pulley.

Hope that is complete enough information,
and the last word on GOUJONS.

........ Lloyd

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In message , Lloyd George
writes

"Derek.Moody" wrote in message

In general -any- recipe that requires 'goujons' of plaice or sole is a
cheap
attempt to copy real gudgeon - so substitute the real thing.

erm.....

2. cookery.
Strips of fish or meat coated in flour, batter or breadcrumbs and
deep-fried.
Etymology: 1940s: French.

From : Dictionnaire de L'Académie française, 8th Edition

1. GOUJON. n. m. Petit poisson du genre Cyprin, qui se tient volontiers sur
les fonds sablonneux des rivières. Pêcher du goujon. Des goujons frits. Un
plat de goujons.

in English:
Small fish of the Cyprin kind, which is caught readily on the sandy mouths
of the rivers. To fish for goujons. Fried goujons. A dish of goujons.

"Genre Cyprin" == "Cyprinid". More reasonably translated to "A small
fish of the carp family...".

Exactly like a gudgeon.

--
Steve Walker

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In article , Steve Walker
wrote:

Exactly like a gudgeon.

's OK, he can go eat deep fried pulley-pins if he wants to. Leaves more of
the other sort for us ;-)

Cheerio,

--

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"Lloyd George" wrote in message
...

see also new thread
"Gudgeons and Goujons"

........... Lloyd

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"Steve Walker" wrote in message
...
In message , Derek.Moody
writes
In article , Steve Walker
wrote:

Exactly like a gudgeon.

's OK, he can go eat deep fried pulley-pins if he wants to. Leaves more
of
the other sort for us ;-)

You know, gudgeon played such a part in my childhood
snip

I remember a little weir on the river Gade that ran through Cassibury Park,
Croxley Green, Hertfordshire which was my favourite haunt as a child in my
first days as a fisherman. We would also wonder up the river through the
park trying spots as we went. The Minnow was my first prey and I would be
'chuffed to bits' if I caught a good bagful. Then we started to get
Gudgeoned, Dace, Roach and one day to my utter amazement I picked up a small
rainbow trout. As early teenagers we fished the same water with hemp using
those wooden (bamboo I recall) roach poles and had huge numbers of roach.

I wonder what it's like these days (35ish years on).

Richard

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There are some specimen Gudgeon at Field Farm Fisheries at Wrentham Suffolk.
It is normall a kids playground in Summer but in winter you have the place
to yourself & the Roach fishing is excellant I have had several three
pounders out of the house pond on Casters in the middle of winter.
Colin.
"Lloyd George" wrote in message
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"Lloyd George" wrote in
message
...

see also new thread
"Gudgeons and Goujons"

.......... Lloyd