Anyone remember this article?
 

Many years ago an article appeared somewhere (Esquire, Fly Fisherman I
don't know where)
that was the story of an accidental evesdropping on a 'famous
fisherman'

The writer had a guest invitation to spend the day fishing at an
exclusive Long Island
fishing club. He went into the bushes to pee, and on his way back,
while peering through
the bushes, he recognized a 'famous fly fishing writer' working over
the pool he had
just left. He succombed to temptation and surreptiously watched this
famous fisherman
from afar, for several hours....until the end of the day, in fact.

The punchline came the following day, when the writer read the club's
fishing logs.
The famous fisherman had entered into the log that he'd caught over 30
fish.
But the writer had watched him all day, and knew he had caught only a
half a dozen or so.

I'd like to find a copy or a reprint of that article. I read it once,
so long ago I no longer
remember who wrote it or who published it. Help me out if you can.

Anyone remember this article?
 

I remember reading it.....Field & Stream, IIRC, and I remember who the
"famous fisherman" was, but I don't remember the author. I even
remember that they were fishing a Sulphur hatch.

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Ah: Field and Stream. That's a good start. Thank you.

RE "and I remember who the 'famous fisherman' was"
....I thought they kept that hidden from the reader.
It was a long time ago.

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Anyone remember this article?
 

Sandy The writer had a guest invitation to spend the day fishing at
Sandy an exclusive Long Island fishing club. He went into the bushes
Sandy to pee, and on his way back, while peering through the bushes,
Sandy he recognized a 'famous fly fishing writer' working over the
Sandy pool he had just left. He succombed to temptation and
Sandy surreptiously watched this famous fisherman from afar, for
Sandy several hours....until the end of the day, in fact.

Sandy The punchline came the following day, when the writer read the
Sandy club's fishing logs. The famous fisherman had entered into the
Sandy log that he'd caught over 30 fish. But the writer had watched
Sandy him all day, and knew he had caught only a half a dozen or so.

Sandy I'd like to find a copy or a reprint of that article. I read it
Sandy once, so long ago I no longer remember who wrote it or who
Sandy published it. Help me out if you can.

I know this one: the author is Nick Lyons, but it wasn't him who
watched the famous fisherman, it was a friend.

I can check the original source (book) later if you want to, but the
story can be found in Lyons' collection book titled 'Full Creel'. I
think that the very first publication was in a magazine (so the
'original' books are collected from magazine articles, and 'Full
Creel' is a collection of the books).

Actually, if you email me your home address, I can mail you a
papercopy of the article.

--
Jarmo Hurri

Commercial email countermeasures included in header email
address. Remove all garbage from header email address when replying,
or just use .

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No, in the article I read, (it might even have been a letter to the
editor), they named names. Won't give the name, but the initials were
S.G.H. Not 100% sure about the magazine....first thought was F&S, but
it could have been Fly Fisherman.

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Peter A. Collin wrote:

One chum of mine saw John Geirach on a western stream, and commented on
how he didn't catch as many as my friend. I would hate to be famous and
always have that stress on me to exceed. Many people I know who are in
the business lie about their catches, just so they don't sound like just
another schmoe.


While I don't find Geirach as enjoyable as I once did, I can not recall
him ever claiming to be anything other than a writer of fishing stories
and a lover of cane rods. I doubt he stresses out over "having" to
catch fish and on his home water would probably outfish most of us and
call it *lucky*.

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Wayne Knight wrote:
Peter A. Collin wrote:

One chum of mine saw John Geirach on a western stream, and commented on
how he didn't catch as many as my friend. I would hate to be famous and
always have that stress on me to exceed. Many people I know who are in
the business lie about their catches, just so they don't sound like just
another schmoe.



While I don't find Geirach as enjoyable as I once did, I can not recall
him ever claiming to be anything other than a writer of fishing stories
and a lover of cane rods. I doubt he stresses out over "having" to
catch fish and on his home water would probably outfish most of us and
call it *lucky*.

Oh, I realize that. However, he is "in the fly fishing world" and would
inevitably bear scrutiny. Hell, he even wrote about taking crap from
his own friends when promotional blurbs from publishers would aggrandize
him more than they thought appropriate.

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The story was written by Nick Lyons in an article titled, "Experts and
Friends" . In the article, he doesn't mention the name or the place, just
that it was in "some choice club water in the East." The 'expert' caught
not a single fish and at the lodge that evening boasted of catching 32. The
article is reprinted in his book, "Bright Rivers". The index does not say
which magazine it originally appeared in, and he wrote for Field and Stream,
Outdoor Life, Harpers, Gray's Sporting Journal and Fly Fisherman.


--
Gene Cottrell

wrote in message
ups.com...
Many years ago an article appeared somewhere (Esquire, Fly Fisherman I
don't know where)
that was the story of an accidental evesdropping on a 'famous
fisherman'

The writer had a guest invitation to spend the day fishing at an
exclusive Long Island
fishing club. He went into the bushes to pee, and on his way back,
while peering through
the bushes, he recognized a 'famous fly fishing writer' working over
the pool he had
just left. He succombed to temptation and surreptiously watched this
famous fisherman
from afar, for several hours....until the end of the day, in fact.

The punchline came the following day, when the writer read the club's
fishing logs.
The famous fisherman had entered into the log that he'd caught over 30
fish.
But the writer had watched him all day, and knew he had caught only a
half a dozen or so.

I'd like to find a copy or a reprint of that article. I read it once,
so long ago I no longer
remember who wrote it or who published it. Help me out if you can.

Anyone remember this article?
 

Gene Cottrell wrote:
The story was written by Nick Lyons in an article titled, "Experts and
Friends" . In the article, he doesn't mention the name or the place, just
that it was in "some choice club water in the East." The 'expert' caught
not a single fish and at the lodge that evening boasted of catching 32.

I think that even saying you caught exactly 32 fish is bad form, even if
you did catch them.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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"rw" wrote in message
m...

I think that even saying you caught exactly 32 fish is bad form, even if
you did catch them.

Actually, it's perfectly acceptable......as long as you snag them.

Wolfgang
the boy just WILL NOT learn.

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I was told about this story and in the telling, which could be wildly
inaccurate, the person named had the initials ES and recently passed away.

I don't know the authenticity but it has become a bit of joke among some
guides here if they get skunked... when asked how they got on the answer
"32" answers all questions.

Clark


"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

"rw" wrote in message
m...

I think that even saying you caught exactly 32 fish is bad form, even if
you did catch them.

Actually, it's perfectly acceptable......as long as you snag them.

Wolfgang
the boy just WILL NOT learn.

Anyone remember this article?
 

"Clark Reid" wrote in message
...
I was told about this story and in the telling, which could be wildly
inaccurate, the person named had the initials ES and recently passed away.

I don't know the authenticity but it has become a bit of joke among some
guides here if they get skunked... when asked how they got on the answer
"32" answers all questions.

Clark


What you say is exactly what I was given to understand, but in the story,
the name is not given. At one time I hung at a fly shop with some pretty
knowledgeable guys and "ES" was known among them to be the culprit.


--
Gene Cottrell

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"Gene Cottrell" wrote in message
...

"Clark Reid" wrote in message
...
I was told about this story and in the telling, which could be wildly
inaccurate, the person named had the initials ES and recently passed away.

I don't know the authenticity but it has become a bit of joke among some
guides here if they get skunked... when asked how they got on the answer
"32" answers all questions.

Clark


What you say is exactly what I was given to understand, but in the story,
the name is not given. At one time I hung at a fly shop with some pretty
knowledgeable guys and "ES" was known among them to be the culprit.

I wasn't aware of this particular story until it came up here. For that
matter, looking through the thread I'm not at all convinced that it is "A"
story......it could easily be....in fact, it looks like it IS a
concatenation of two or more similar stories. At any rate, I suspect that
the original predates S.G.H., E.S, and J.G. by a couple of millennia, give
or take a century or two. It may be every bit as hoary as the one about the
famous angler purchasing a nice mess of trout from the barefoot boy with
cheeks of tan (and a piece of string and a safety pin).

Meanwhile, what's really interesting is that folks tend to accept not only
the veracity of the story but also the famous fisherman's implicit intent to
deceive as gospel. Given the pressure to perform that has already been
mentioned here, it seems to me just as likely that the famous fisherman
might get tired of the close scrutiny and might occasionally say
"thirty-two" as a polite alternative to "**** you". :)

Wolfgang
who ALWAYS counts......but generally gets distracted and loses track by 3 or
4.

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.. I would hate to be famous and
always have that stress on me to exceed.
Pete Collin

Good point Peter which is why I hope never to be famous and just
remain a "legend in my own mind"
Besides I like getting my butt kicked by tough trout.

MT

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Tried to e mail this direct but not bloodylikely.com is not a bloody
valid address :)

HI Clark
How are you doing??
I dont read this group much but good to see you writing. Is
Colorado Steve still out there?
I went to AK this year for salmon and bows, was a little too easy for
my taste.
I moved to within 3 miles of the Missourri River in MT so now I
mostly
dryfly fish and only in good conditions. Talk about being spoiled! Hope
things are well and hope to get back to NZ one day

MT

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Gidday Mark... which article are you referring to?

Glad to hear things are going well, I must admit when it comes to the
freshwater these days I don't fish too much. Did spend a morning on the
Tonagriro the other last week but still only could get interested in fishing
by tying on a dry. Of course 99% of New Zealanders think the Tongariro is a
nymph or wetfly river but I managed to get several fish to others none on a
big Turk's tarantula... so I left feeling about as smug as possible :)

I have gone completely obsessed with sal****er flyfishing though and may
even make a career change in that direction at some stage.

Steve is doing well and guiding up a storm. He has a new a Baby boy "Miles"
and is happier than a dog with two tails.

I hope you do get back this way and we'll spend some time ont he stream.

Kind rergards


Clark oh and clarkatdryflynz.com will get hold of me.
"mark tinsky" wrote in message
...

Tried to e mail this direct but not bloodylikely.com is not a bloody
valid address :)

HI Clark
How are you doing??
I dont read this group much but good to see you writing. Is
Colorado Steve still out there?
I went to AK this year for salmon and bows, was a little too easy for
my taste.
I moved to within 3 miles of the Missourri River in MT so now I
mostly
dryfly fish and only in good conditions. Talk about being spoiled! Hope
things are well and hope to get back to NZ one day

MT

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Mark, Dries only? Wow, times change.

Clark, your success at sal****er was probably immediate, because it
seems to me that the New Zealand style, ie, sight fishing and long
accurate casts, is probably super good experience for the salt.

bruce h

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"bruiser" wrote in message Mark, Dries only? Wow, times change.

Clark, your success at sal****er was probably immediate, because it
seems to me that the New Zealand style, ie, sight fishing and long
accurate casts, is probably super good experience for the salt.

Yes and no Bruce. On my first "serious" excursion after Kingfish
(Yellowtail Kingfish, rated by many as the dirtiest toughest streetfighter
type in the Ocean down here) I hooked three which I felt was beginners luck.
I had done the research and believe that's how I got some shots... but after
hook up I got severely spanked by them and in Three fish lost three flies, a
flyline and most of my composure. My wife was with me and she found it
hilarious as I sat on a rock after the first one just saying "Holy F&^k"
over and over again... I had never felt power from a fish like it.
http://www.amonline.net.au/fishes/st...ellowtail2.htm

However, we don't have a lot of flats fishing here so sighted stuff is
limited to what comes in close. In a lot of cases we use burley to attract
the baitfish to the rock ledges, this then brings the predators in... Then
we are often sight fishing for kahawai (Australian Slamon, not a salmonid)
http://www.kahawai.co.nz/ I believe the Kahawai is, pound for pound one of
the great sports fishesof the world and is, as yet, virtually unknown. You
do get to sight fish for these, although there are sometimes 10,000 of them
in the group which makes spotting easy :)!

The "Kingies" will often hang out around structure like Beacon poles etc so
we often use a boat and drift in [pitching our fly as close to the down
current side as we dare and then double strip like crazy... On one beacon we
did this and about 100 kingfish (Rats all less than 36 inches) chased our
flies with all three anglers hooking up... What a buzz..... The problem in
those situations though is the nasty buggers will always try and head strait
back to the barnacle covered pole... tough on gear! The Kahawai is a much
cleaner fighter with long runs and often aerobatic displays.

I think after years in the frsh the main advantages over most newbies are
just knowing a bit about the tackle, how to cast, rig etc... the rest is all
new and that has been part of the delight... I love being the one asking
dumb questions for once instead of answering them and even more fun not
feeling like I have some BS expectation to live up to....

Clark

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Those are obviously badass fish Clark. I've caught very few "good"
sal****er fish and have described it here as having my big flyrod
turned into a running chainsaw. I can hardly imagine what one of those
Yellowtails of yours would do. Looks like great fun. bruce h

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bruiser wrote:

Those are obviously badass fish Clark. I've caught very few "good"
sal****er fish and have described it here as having my big flyrod
turned into a running chainsaw. I can hardly imagine what one of those
Yellowtails of yours would do. Looks like great fun. bruce h


they look like our false albacore. you oughta try the annual run off
cape lookout in november. wally and i did it this year, and it was a hoot.

jeff

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Jeff Miller wrote:
bruiser wrote:

Those are obviously badass fish Clark. I've caught very few "good"
sal****er fish and have described it here as having my big flyrod
turned into a running chainsaw. I can hardly imagine what one of those
Yellowtails of yours would do. Looks like great fun. bruce h


they look like our false albacore. you oughta try the annual run off
cape lookout in november. wally and i did it this year, and it was a hoot.

jeff


They're a cool looking fish. I hear they can really tear ya up!
Good to hear Wally's still kickin'

Willi

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that's on my list for next year... there or Harker's Island but
somewhere down that way!

up in NJ the albie run never materialized in the surf, though some boat
anglers had great days.

just when conditions were right we had that 8 day noreaster which blew
the entire season out for albies.... they just never came in after that.

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Clark,

Excellent report and some outstanding catches of great fish.

Nothing to compare with those, the striped bass elicit a similar
response the first
time caught on a fly rod. The pelagics here (mackeral/tuna family) give
the best
fight pound for pound... though bluefish do their best as well.

-- Rob

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Willi wrote:

They're a cool looking fish. I hear they can really tear ya up!
Good to hear Wally's still kickin'


Yup, he is indeed still kickin...although i think the business of
flyfishing has overwhelmed his ability to enjoy partaking of the sport
(plus, his wife is now working at his store). We had a good time
chasing the fat alberts, and they do zing the line off the reel. Wally
caught several on his flyrod, i caught a couple on it as well, and i
caught a bunch on light spinning tackle. If you guys want to come out
sometime, let me know and we'll organize a harkers island/cape lookout
gathering.

jeff

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Jeff. Let's do that sometime. What's the best time of year? False
Albacore are obviously screamers and I'd love to get a shot at some.
bruce h

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"bruiser" wrote in message
oups.com...
Jeff. Let's do that sometime. What's the best time of year? False
Albacore are obviously screamers and I'd love to get a shot at some.
bruce h

me too, me too!

yfitons
wayno

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Ahem...you've no excuse for not having done it thus far, especially with
two willing cohorts in Pitt County. g Next November...assuming we're
all still alive and speaking to one another by then G.

jeff

Wayne Harrison wrote:

"bruiser" wrote in message
oups.com...

Jeff. Let's do that sometime. What's the best time of year? False
Albacore are obviously screamers and I'd love to get a shot at some.
bruce h


me too, me too!

yfitons
wayno

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Late October through November is usually the best time. The Fat Alberts
are off Cape Lookout for about 3 weeks to a month in heavy numbers when
the schools of glass minnows are moving through. It's fascinating
fishing when the weather cooperates and you can see football field size
busts of false albacore. Wally and I found them about a mile offshore
one placid Sunday. You'll like it, no doubt...and it's a pleasant place
to be as well. We could also do a bit of offshore fishing for Kings and
Wahoo, maybe some Tuna. Better come while I still have my boats...

jeff

bruiser wrote:

Jeff. Let's do that sometime. What's the best time of year? False
Albacore are obviously screamers and I'd love to get a shot at some.
bruce h

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"bruiser" Those are obviously badass fish Clark. I've caught very few
"good"
sal****er fish and have described it here as having my big flyrod
turned into a running chainsaw. I can hardly imagine what one of those
Yellowtails of yours would do. Looks like great fun. bruce h


This is a video of me landing my first one (Landed) this time from a boat. A
few "F" word in there so the faint of heart should give it a miss...

www.dryflynz.com/kingfish.wmv (About 6 megs I think...)

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Yep, we have those species here too... the difference with the Kings and I
have spoken to a number of US and Aussie anglers who have fished both the US
and down here is they all comment at the king fish being "dirty" "nasty"
words like that. If you hook a 50 lb King (They grow to 100 but I defy
anyone to land a 100 lb king on a flyrod... )is that he will, always, head
for structure... If that structure is 400 yards away... that's where he is
going...

I have read a lot about the species you have up there and Stripers, redfish,
bonefish, Tarpon and Permit are all on the list. I will probably get a shot
at bones in the pacific down here somewhere and Aussie has probably the
finest Permit fishing in the world...

Clark
wrote in message
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Clark,

Excellent report and some outstanding catches of great fish.

Nothing to compare with those, the striped bass elicit a similar
response the first
time caught on a fly rod. The pelagics here (mackeral/tuna family) give
the best
fight pound for pound... though bluefish do their best as well.

-- Rob

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Great stuff, Clark. Great video. You Aussies are so cool. No wonder
Kasey Chambers and the Hoodoo Gurus are so great! Pretty thrilling
when you hoist that fish up. bruce h

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In article .com,
says...
You Aussies are snip


Wait for it....

Kevin

--
reply to:
kevin dot vang at minotstateu dot edu

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ARRRGGHHH!!! Clark I now remember that you're not an Aussie. I'm a
typical American. Please forgive me. bruce h

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Well Kevin, thankfully NZ is a long ways from NM! Yes I'm a doofus.
bruce h

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"bruiser" Great stuff, Clark. Great video.
You Aussies are so cool. No wonder
Kasey Chambers and the Hoodoo Gurus are so great! Pretty thrilling
when you hoist that fish up. bruce h


This household plays a lot of kasey Chambers. I prefer a lot of her stuff
from the "Dead Ringer Band" days and have played a few gigs with her father
Bill who started it all, is one of the finest guitar players in Aussie and
palys lead in her band.

Now to the real issue. I am NOT an AUSTRALIAN!!! I like Australians but I am
not one :). On the boat is three new Zealanders and one Australian...

The difference between Australians and us? The ugly sheep are safe with us!

Clark

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"bruiser" wrote in message ARRRGGHHH!!!
Clark I now remember that you're not an Aussie. I'm a
typical American. Please forgive me. bruce h


No worries Mate!

Clark

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So there WAS an Aussie on the boat? Whew. (G) Really I do remember
that you're from NZ and I think it was the sal****er and the video that
made me think Australia for some reason. And I just like to prove what
a dork I am from time to time to keep my oversized ego in check.

I really like Kasey Chambers dad too, although I haven't got any of his
records. When my wife and I saw them last Summer he stood up at one
point during the show and said something super funny. So far I've just
got Barricades and Brick Walls and the new one, Wayward Angel. They're
both great - I'll check out the other stuff too.

And Clark, speaking of sheep.... you've probably heard the one about
why some folks around here wear their jeans tucked into their boots....

bruce h

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"bruiser" So there WAS an Aussie on the boat? Whew. (G) Really I do
remember
that you're from NZ and I think it was the sal****er and the video that
made me think Australia for some reason. And I just like to prove what
a dork I am from time to time to keep my oversized ego in check.

I really like Kasey Chambers dad too, although I haven't got any of his
records. When my wife and I saw them last Summer he stood up at one
point during the show and said something super funny. So far I've just
got Barricades and Brick Walls and the new one, Wayward Angel. They're
both great - I'll check out the other stuff too.

And Clark, speaking of sheep.... you've probably heard the one about
why some folks around here wear their jeans tucked into their boots....

bruce h


There's not many sheep jokes we haven't used on the Aussies yet or them on
us...

The latest I like is ... "Baaa means NO"!

Clark

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"Clark Reid" wrote in message
...

There's not many sheep jokes we haven't used on the Aussies yet or them on
us...

The latest I like is ... "Baaa means NO"!


Here is one you can use on the Aussies Clark...

Why do the Aussies screw sheep at the edge of a cliff...?

Cause they push back!

JT :)