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riverman December 29th, 2005 03:00 PM

For the geeks
 
What's the difference between a Multimedia Card (MMC) and a San Disk
memory card?

My DV recorder came with a MMC card for still images, but its only a
measly 16MB, so I want to buy a larger card. My digital camera takes SD
cards that work in the DV camera, but the MMC won't work in the digital
camera. So I think I'd like to buy a couple of 1GB SD cards that can be
interchanged with the two cameras. Is there any reason I should not
use a SD card instead of a MMC in the DV camera?

--riverman


Daniel-San December 29th, 2005 03:34 PM

For the geeks
 

"riverman" wrote ...
What's the difference between a Multimedia Card (MMC) and a San Disk
memory card?



From:
http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art19616.asp

"Secure Digital & MultiMedia Cards
By physical dimensions these are the smallest of the memory cards and are
therefore commonly used in ultra-compact products. The only difference
between Secure Digital cards and MultiMedia Cards is that Secure Digital
cards have a write-protect switch for added data security."


My DV recorder came with a MMC card for still images, but its only a
measly 16MB, so I want to buy a larger card. My digital camera takes SD
cards that work in the DV camera, but the MMC won't work in the digital
camera. So I think I'd like to buy a couple of 1GB SD cards that can be
interchanged with the two cameras. Is there any reason I should not
use a SD card instead of a MMC in the DV camera?

--riverman


Dan



riverman December 29th, 2005 03:46 PM

For the geeks
 
Thanks, Dan-san. I wonder when that article was written, as the next
line is a doozy: "Currently 512 MB is the maximum capacity for these
cards though larger capacities will be out soon."

An article written just a year ago in PC world
http://tinyurl.com/yqe7w said that they expected 1GB cards later that
month (Jan, 2005), while the SanDisk website currently has them up to
2GB today http://tinyurl.com/78v3k.

I'd say SanDisk is ahead of the curve of Moore's Law.

--riverman


Daniel-San December 29th, 2005 03:54 PM

For the geeks
 

"riverman" wrote ...
Thanks, Dan-san. I wonder when that article was written, as the next
line is a doozy: "Currently 512 MB is the maximum capacity for these
cards though larger capacities will be out soon."


I've no idea when it was written, but I agree -- seems a bit dated. I have a
1gig SD in my brand-spankin' new Optio, so...

I just googled "media card differences" (no quotes). Found a bunch of sites
that said essentially the same thing.



An article written just a year ago in PC world
http://tinyurl.com/yqe7w said that they expected 1GB cards later that
month (Jan, 2005), while the SanDisk website currently has them up to
2GB today http://tinyurl.com/78v3k.

I'd say SanDisk is ahead of the curve of Moore's Law.


I'd guess that any company wanting to be successful in selling doo-dad
electronica would have to be.


I wonder if Moore and GM worked together on the whole planned obsolescence
thing?


--riverman


Dan



rw December 29th, 2005 04:08 PM

For the geeks
 
riverman wrote:

I'd say SanDisk is ahead of the curve of Moore's Law.


Moore's Law refers to the rate of increase of the number of transistors
per chip (roughly proportional to computing power and inversely
proportional to cost of computation). It doesn't apply to the rate of
increase of capacity of various storage media.

BTW, SanDisk (SNDK) has been a spectacularly performing stock over the
past six months.

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Frank Reid December 29th, 2005 04:09 PM

For the geeks
 
Moores law is processing power, not storage, so SanDisk is not doing
anything illegal.
By the way, I use SD cards. They fit in my Palm Pilot, my camera and
my thumb drive. I have a couple of 512 meg cards that I switch from
device to device. I can take a picture, pull the card and put it in my
Palm, look at the pic on a larger screen (even use a Palm application
to edit it or the picture data), pull the card and stick it in the
thumb drive, then download the pic to the computer. Works grea.
Frank Reid


riverman December 29th, 2005 04:58 PM

For the geeks
 
Ahhh, correct. Its Kryder's Law.

--riverman


rw December 29th, 2005 05:01 PM

For the geeks
 
riverman wrote:
Ahhh, correct. Its Kryder's Law.

--riverman


Kryder's Law applies to hard drives, not flash memory.

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JR December 29th, 2005 06:47 PM

For the geeks
 
rw wrote:
riverman wrote:

Ahhh, correct. Its Kryder's Law.


Kryder's Law applies to hard drives, not flash memory.


Looks like an opening for Buck's Law, Myron. Better jump on it. :)

JR

rw December 29th, 2005 07:26 PM

For the geeks
 
JR wrote:
rw wrote:

riverman wrote:

Ahhh, correct. Its Kryder's Law.



Kryder's Law applies to hard drives, not flash memory.



Looks like an opening for Buck's Law, Myron. Better jump on it. :)


The most efficient way to get correct information on the Internet is to
assert confidently the answer you believe to be right (or at least that
you *apparently* believe to be right). All it requires is a willingness
to look bad on occasion.

:-)

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Frank Reid December 29th, 2005 07:45 PM

For the geeks
 
The most efficient way to get correct information on the Internet is to
assert confidently the answer you believe to be right (or at least that
you *apparently* believe to be right).


Hmm, I won't say that I don't want to pick a nit, 'cause I do. If you
assert that what you are saying is true, then you will get the correct
infomation from the Internet?

All it requires is a willingness to look bad on occasion.


Lucky I don't have to worry about this statement.
Frank Reid


rw December 29th, 2005 07:48 PM

For the geeks
 
Frank Reid wrote:
The most efficient way to get correct information on the Internet is to
assert confidently the answer you believe to be right (or at least that
you *apparently* believe to be right).



Hmm, I won't say that I don't want to pick a nit, 'cause I do. If you
assert that what you are saying is true, then you will get the correct
infomation from the Internet?


Yes.

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Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

JR December 29th, 2005 07:54 PM

For the geeks
 
rw wrote:
The most efficient way to get correct information on the Internet is to
assert confidently the answer you believe to be right (or at least that
you *apparently* believe to be right). All it requires is a willingness
to look bad on occasion.


Perhaps, but Myron has made two confident assertions, and has so far
only been told they are incorrect, not whether there *is* a correct
"law," and if so, what it is.

This Internet thingy is not so efficient.

(he asserts confidently....)

Frank Reid December 29th, 2005 07:57 PM

For the geeks
 
Hmm, I won't say that I don't want to pick a nit, 'cause I do. If you
assert that what you are saying is true, then you will get the correct
infomation from the Internet?


Yes.


My lord man, that's the friggen Kansas version of the scientific
method. That's, that's.... Republican!? Don't you know that Al Gore
invented the Internet? Are you saying its been suborned by the
Neocons? Arrrggghhh!!! Time to move to a Blue state.
Frank Reid


rw December 29th, 2005 08:17 PM

For the geeks
 
Frank Reid wrote:
Hmm, I won't say that I don't want to pick a nit, 'cause I do. If you
assert that what you are saying is true, then you will get the correct
infomation from the Internet?



Yes.



My lord man, that's the friggen Kansas version of the scientific
method. That's, that's.... Republican!? Don't you know that Al Gore
invented the Internet? Are you saying its been suborned by the
Neocons? Arrrggghhh!!! Time to move to a Blue state.
Frank Reid


I'll give an excellent example.

Recently on abpf someone requested a high res photo of a smallmouth,
suitable for framing. Being a smart-ass SOB, I went on the web and found
a high res photo of a tiny fish, reputed to be a smallmouth bass,
cradled in someone's hand in what appeared to be a toilet bowl.

It was only a joke, but I confidently asserted (incorrectly) that the
fish was, in fact, a largemouth. I was promptly corrected. It's a
smallmouth.

If you're cynical and conniving enough (I'm not quite there yet), you
can use this weird Internet truth-revealing tactic to your advantage.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

rw December 29th, 2005 08:23 PM

For the geeks
 
JR wrote:
rw wrote:

The most efficient way to get correct information on the Internet is
to assert confidently the answer you believe to be right (or at least
that you *apparently* believe to be right). All it requires is a
willingness to look bad on occasion.



Perhaps, but Myron has made two confident assertions, and has so far
only been told they are incorrect, not whether there *is* a correct
"law," and if so, what it is.

This Internet thingy is not so efficient.

(he asserts confidently....)


No one has their name associated to the law predicting the rate of
growth of capacity of flash memory. No one! It hasn't been done!

:-)

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Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Wolfgang December 29th, 2005 08:30 PM

For the geeks
 

"rw" wrote in message
ink.net...
JR wrote:
rw wrote:

riverman wrote:

Ahhh, correct. Its Kryder's Law.


Kryder's Law applies to hard drives, not flash memory.



Looks like an opening for Buck's Law, Myron. Better jump on it. :)


The most efficient way to get correct information on the Internet is to
assert confidently the answer you believe to be right (or at least that
you *apparently* believe to be right). All it requires is a willingness
to look bad on occasion.


Stevie's law. Named not so much for its first formal statement as in honor
of its most notable practitioner/proover.

Wolfgang



rw December 29th, 2005 08:36 PM

For the geeks
 
Wolfgang wrote:
"rw" wrote in message
ink.net...

JR wrote:

rw wrote:


riverman wrote:


Ahhh, correct. Its Kryder's Law.


Kryder's Law applies to hard drives, not flash memory.


Looks like an opening for Buck's Law, Myron. Better jump on it. :)


The most efficient way to get correct information on the Internet is to
assert confidently the answer you believe to be right (or at least that
you *apparently* believe to be right). All it requires is a willingness
to look bad on occasion.



Stevie's law. Named not so much for its first formal statement as in honor
of its most notable practitioner/proover.


What's the name of the world's largest island in a lake on
an island in a lake?

Yet another near perfect example of Buck's Law in action. :-)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Wolfgang December 29th, 2005 08:45 PM

For the geeks
 

"rw" wrote in message
ink.net...
Wolfgang wrote:
"rw" wrote in message
ink.net...

JR wrote:

rw wrote:


riverman wrote:


Ahhh, correct. Its Kryder's Law.


Kryder's Law applies to hard drives, not flash memory.


Looks like an opening for Buck's Law, Myron. Better jump on it. :)

The most efficient way to get correct information on the Internet is to
assert confidently the answer you believe to be right (or at least that
you *apparently* believe to be right). All it requires is a willingness
to look bad on occasion.



Stevie's law. Named not so much for its first formal statement as in
honor of its most notable practitioner/proover.


What's the name of the world's largest island in a lake on
an island in a lake?

Yet another near perfect example of Buck's Law in action. :-)


Another absolutely perfect example of a boy who simply WILL NOT learn.
:)

Wolfgang



Frank Reid December 29th, 2005 08:46 PM

For the geeks
 
If you're cynical and conniving enough (I'm not quite there yet), you
can use this weird Internet truth-revealing tactic to your advantage.


I personally rely on my "Magic 8 Ball." Doesn't require a keyboard or
monitor.
Frank Reid


Scott Seidman December 29th, 2005 08:53 PM

For the geeks
 
"Frank Reid" wrote in
oups.com:

If you're cynical and conniving enough (I'm not quite there yet), you
can use this weird Internet truth-revealing tactic to your advantage.


I personally rely on my "Magic 8 Ball." Doesn't require a keyboard or
monitor.
Frank Reid




I just keep getting that "ask again later"

--
Scott
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riverman December 30th, 2005 04:40 AM

For the geeks
 
No, Buck's Law states that once the average price of all memory you
have purchased for all your portable electronic devices reaches $150
per GB, the devices on the market will change their memory type.

--riverman



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