Bimini Twist in 50lb Power Pro
 

I am using 50 lb Power Pro on my son's bonefish rod (OK, it's a fly rod, cut
me a break here).

Has anyone every tried tying a loop in the Power Pro using a standard Bimini
Twist? I have tied it on the bench and it seems to work fine, but I don't
want to learn that it isn't really a good knot while "on-the-job".

Thanks from Rick

Bimini Twist in 50lb Power Pro
 

On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:28:26 -0500, "Richard Liebert"
sent into the ether:

I am using 50 lb Power Pro on my son's bonefish rod (OK, it's a fly rod, cut
me a break here).

Has anyone every tried tying a loop in the Power Pro using a standard Bimini
Twist? I have tied it on the bench and it seems to work fine, but I don't
want to learn that it isn't really a good knot while "on-the-job".

Thanks from Rick

What is a Bimini Twist?

I use a Palomar knot most of the time.

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Bimini Twist in 50lb Power Pro
 

It's a knot. Do a search on bimini twist fishing knot.

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On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:28:26 -0500, "Richard Liebert"
sent into the ether:

I am using 50 lb Power Pro on my son's bonefish rod (OK, it's a fly
rod, cut
me a break here).

Has anyone every tried tying a loop in the Power Pro using a standard
Bimini
Twist? I have tied it on the bench and it seems to work fine, but I
don't
want to learn that it isn't really a good knot while "on-the-job".

Thanks from Rick

What is a Bimini Twist?

I use a Palomar knot most of the time.

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Bimini Twist in 50lb Power Pro
 

On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 14:13:56 -0500, "Richard Liebert"
sent into the ether:

It's a knot. Do a search on bimini twist fishing knot.

"Dan, danl, danny boy, Redbeard, actually Greybeard now"
wrote in message
...
On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:28:26 -0500, "Richard Liebert"
sent into the ether:

I am using 50 lb Power Pro on my son's bonefish rod (OK, it's a fly
rod, cut
me a break here).

Has anyone every tried tying a loop in the Power Pro using a standard
Bimini
Twist? I have tied it on the bench and it seems to work fine, but I
don't
want to learn that it isn't really a good knot while "on-the-job".

Thanks from Rick

What is a Bimini Twist?

I use a Palomar knot most of the time.

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Why do I need to do a search. I use a palomar knot on all my fifty
pound Power Pro. It works.

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Why do I need to do a search. I use a palomar knot on all my fifty
pound Power Pro. It works.

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Bimini Twist in 50lb Power Pro
 

"Richard Liebert" wrote in
message ...
I am using 50 lb Power Pro on my son's bonefish rod (OK, it's a fly rod,
cut
me a break here).

Has anyone every tried tying a loop in the Power Pro using a standard
Bimini
Twist? I have tied it on the bench and it seems to work fine, but I don't
want to learn that it isn't really a good knot while "on-the-job".

Thanks from Rick



Most every San Diego long range tuna boat uses the Bimini Twist for
connecting topshots of mono to spectra.

Bimini Twist in 50lb Power Pro
 

The bimini twist has been a popular knot for years in heavy salt water
fishing applications however it is starting to become very popular with
freshwater fishermen also. Lefty Kreh has been using the knot for several
years on his light tackle.

I did tie up a bimini loop on some 50lb Power Pro during lunch today and
tried to break it in vain. I just could not break it. I think I answered my
own question.

For those of you who wondered what the knot is, it is basically a large loop
on the end of your line. What makes it special is that it is one of the few
knots that retains 100% of the line strength once tied (correctly) assuming
you are tying mono. I read that it does not retain 100% of a braided super
line strength, more like 75%. I don't know if this is true yet. Also, the
knot is pretty slim and can slide through a guide without getting hung up.
This is a nice feature if you are attaching a long leader onto a fishing
line or fly line onto backing using loops.


"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Richard Liebert" wrote in
message ...
I am using 50 lb Power Pro on my son's bonefish rod (OK, it's a fly rod,
cut
me a break here).

Has anyone every tried tying a loop in the Power Pro using a standard
Bimini
Twist? I have tied it on the bench and it seems to work fine, but I
don't
want to learn that it isn't really a good knot while "on-the-job".

Thanks from Rick



Most every San Diego long range tuna boat uses the Bimini Twist for
connecting topshots of mono to spectra.

Bimini Twist in 50lb Power Pro
 

"Richard Liebert" wrote in
message ...
I am using 50 lb Power Pro on my son's bonefish rod (OK, it's a fly rod,
cut
me a break here).

Has anyone every tried tying a loop in the Power Pro using a standard
Bimini
Twist? I have tied it on the bench and it seems to work fine, but I don't
want to learn that it isn't really a good knot while "on-the-job".

Thanks from Rick



Looks like a fairly complex knot to tie to me. Why tie it? To be able to
change leaders more quickly by passing a leader loop through the main line
loop?

I have had very good luck tying back to back uni knots when I want a leader.
--
Bob La Londe
http://www.YumaBassMan.com

Bimini Twist in 50lb Power Pro
 

The application is fly line to Power Pro backing. The usual knots don't work
well. I actually am starting to think a loop will not work since the super
line will probably cut through the fly line. It looks like I'll end up
connecting the lines together with a knot called a "Fishys" Braid-to-Line
Knot (Basically a unitknot slipped up against a simple overhand knot, then
whipped with 6/0 thread.

"Richard Liebert" wrote in
message ...
I am using 50 lb Power Pro on my son's bonefish rod (OK, it's a fly rod,
cut
me a break here).

Has anyone every tried tying a loop in the Power Pro using a standard
Bimini
Twist? I have tied it on the bench and it seems to work fine, but I don't
want to learn that it isn't really a good knot while "on-the-job".

Thanks from Rick

Bimini Twist in 50lb Power Pro
 

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
"Richard Liebert" wrote in
message ...
I am using 50 lb Power Pro on my son's bonefish rod (OK, it's a fly rod,
cut
me a break here).

Has anyone every tried tying a loop in the Power Pro using a standard
Bimini
Twist? I have tied it on the bench and it seems to work fine, but I
don't
want to learn that it isn't really a good knot while "on-the-job".

Thanks from Rick



Looks like a fairly complex knot to tie to me. Why tie it? To be able to
change leaders more quickly by passing a leader loop through the main line
loop?

I have had very good luck tying back to back uni knots when I want a
leader.


Uni-to-uni knots also work well for tying braid onto spooled mono as well.
That way we can prespool enough mono to give the superline something to
"bite into" on the reel's spool while not requiring a full length of the
braid to fill the spool. Saves me a few $$ a year by backing braid with mono
on my bassin rigs. Let's face it, PP is so much smaller in diameter than
equaivalent poundage of mono, we'd need more than a 150yd spool to "fill" a
typical baitcaster almost.

I've recently done these same connecting unis to connect leader to PP in
sal****er situations, and haven't had a failure as of yet. You just have to
be somewhat careful to get "close" to similar line diameters. If the mono is
too "big" and the braid is "too small", the braid can sometimes cut thru the
mono.

--
Bob La Londe
http://www.YumaBassMan.com

Bimini Twist in 50lb Power Pro
 

I don't know if this comment applies to bonefishing but for big bass fly
fishing I do not normally choose to use any loop to loop connection between
my bass taper fly line and continuous mono leader. IMHO the twin loops make
a secondary topwater splash which tends to spook larger bass.

FWIW instead of any knot losing X% of its rated strength, I am far more
concerned with fly line or leader retaining memory which is a royal pain in
the. g Does Power Pro retain memory?

John


"Richard Liebert" wrote in
message ...
I am using 50 lb Power Pro on my son's bonefish rod (OK, it's a fly rod,
cut
me a break here).

Has anyone every tried tying a loop in the Power Pro using a standard
Bimini
Twist? I have tied it on the bench and it seems to work fine, but I don't
want to learn that it isn't really a good knot while "on-the-job".

Thanks from Rick

Bimini Twist in 50lb Power Pro
 

Power Pro does not retain any memory. It is always limp. Thank you for your
comments about the big bass. I like fly fishing for bass too. Have you every
tried smallmouth fishing with a light fly rod. It's great fun.

Bonefish leaders are 10 feet long plus the tippet. It's usually windy out on
the flats so the loops are no problem since there is a lot going on.



"John" wrote in message
...
I don't know if this comment applies to bonefishing but for big bass fly
fishing I do not normally choose to use any loop to loop connection
between
my bass taper fly line and continuous mono leader. IMHO the twin loops
make
a secondary topwater splash which tends to spook larger bass.

FWIW instead of any knot losing X% of its rated strength, I am far more
concerned with fly line or leader retaining memory which is a royal pain
in
the. g Does Power Pro retain memory?

John


"Richard Liebert" wrote in
message ...
I am using 50 lb Power Pro on my son's bonefish rod (OK, it's a fly rod,
cut
me a break here).

Has anyone every tried tying a loop in the Power Pro using a standard
Bimini
Twist? I have tied it on the bench and it seems to work fine, but I
don't
want to learn that it isn't really a good knot while "on-the-job".

Thanks from Rick

Bimini Twist in 50lb Power Pro
 

"John" wrote in message
...
I don't know if this comment applies to bonefishing but for big bass fly
fishing I do not normally choose to use any loop to loop connection
between
my bass taper fly line and continuous mono leader. IMHO the twin loops
make
a secondary topwater splash which tends to spook larger bass.

FWIW instead of any knot losing X% of its rated strength, I am far more
concerned with fly line or leader retaining memory which is a royal pain
in
the. g Does Power Pro retain memory?

John

I've never experienced any memory with PP, whether using it in fresh water
or salt water.

*About* the only drawback to using PP that I have found, is that it will
fade in color with a lot of use. The pretty dark "moss green" color I start
out with, will usually fade to a pale, yellowish green after a couple of
hard days on the water. That said, it's never seemed to bother the fish
after fading (I still get bit, and still catch fish on it, months after
fading), but it does fade. I just keep a Sharpie onboard if I feel like I
need to stripe or "camoflage" the bait end of the line in extremely clear or
still water occasionally.

Just as an FYI, I stripped last year's PP off my (braid) reels just
yesterday, and compared to the fluorocarbon and mono I took off some other
reels, it had NO memory to speak of, even after a couple of months just
being wrapped around my reels' spools out in the shop. Berkley Big Game was
the worst yesterday. I took a couple hundred yards of 10lb off a spinning
rig yesterday and it coiled up like you wouldn't believe on the floor. It
was quite a messy nest. The PP came off nice and flat, and had been
"dormant" out in the shop just as long. I still like my basic "Big Game"
line, it just has a memory from hell.

*The "other" drawback to Power Pro is trying to break loose a snag. That
stuff is so strong, that I've pulled up significant branches from the lake
bottom with it (the heaviest weight I use is 20#). I've straightened hooks
out on lures trying to break them loose as well...not that saving a lure is
"bad", it just takes a while to deal with if you can't break it off after a
couple of good college tries...and "time is money" when you're on the water.
Of course none of these "drawbacks" outweigh, IMO, PP's excellent
performance (great sensitivety, near zero stretch and no memory to speak
of). And no, I don't work for nor am I sponsored by Power Pro...I am self
employed in an unrelated industry and am sponsored solely by my own bank
accounts... ;-)



"Richard Liebert" wrote in
message ...
I am using 50 lb Power Pro on my son's bonefish rod (OK, it's a fly rod,
cut
me a break here).

Has anyone every tried tying a loop in the Power Pro using a standard
Bimini
Twist? I have tied it on the bench and it seems to work fine, but I
don't
want to learn that it isn't really a good knot while "on-the-job".

Thanks from Rick

Bimini Twist in 50lb Power Pro
 

Thank you for your thoughtful comments. I have had similar experiences with
Power Pro. I also use Stren braided line and highly recommend it, less color
loss.

I also find the knots take more time to tie. I have had Palomar knots slip
out with a fish on so I only use Uni knots now. Uni knots take an extra
minute to tie but they never ever slip.



"SimRacer" wrote in message
. ..

"John" wrote in message
...
I don't know if this comment applies to bonefishing but for big bass fly
fishing I do not normally choose to use any loop to loop connection
between
my bass taper fly line and continuous mono leader. IMHO the twin loops
make
a secondary topwater splash which tends to spook larger bass.

FWIW instead of any knot losing X% of its rated strength, I am far more
concerned with fly line or leader retaining memory which is a royal pain
in
the. g Does Power Pro retain memory?

John

I've never experienced any memory with PP, whether using it in fresh water
or salt water.

*About* the only drawback to using PP that I have found, is that it will
fade in color with a lot of use. The pretty dark "moss green" color I
start
out with, will usually fade to a pale, yellowish green after a couple of
hard days on the water. That said, it's never seemed to bother the fish
after fading (I still get bit, and still catch fish on it, months after
fading), but it does fade. I just keep a Sharpie onboard if I feel like I
need to stripe or "camoflage" the bait end of the line in extremely clear
or
still water occasionally.

Just as an FYI, I stripped last year's PP off my (braid) reels just
yesterday, and compared to the fluorocarbon and mono I took off some other
reels, it had NO memory to speak of, even after a couple of months just
being wrapped around my reels' spools out in the shop. Berkley Big Game
was
the worst yesterday. I took a couple hundred yards of 10lb off a spinning
rig yesterday and it coiled up like you wouldn't believe on the floor. It
was quite a messy nest. The PP came off nice and flat, and had been
"dormant" out in the shop just as long. I still like my basic "Big Game"
line, it just has a memory from hell.

*The "other" drawback to Power Pro is trying to break loose a snag. That
stuff is so strong, that I've pulled up significant branches from the lake
bottom with it (the heaviest weight I use is 20#). I've straightened hooks
out on lures trying to break them loose as well...not that saving a lure
is
"bad", it just takes a while to deal with if you can't break it off after
a
couple of good college tries...and "time is money" when you're on the
water.
Of course none of these "drawbacks" outweigh, IMO, PP's excellent
performance (great sensitivety, near zero stretch and no memory to speak
of). And no, I don't work for nor am I sponsored by Power Pro...I am self
employed in an unrelated industry and am sponsored solely by my own bank
accounts... ;-)



"Richard Liebert" wrote in
message ...
I am using 50 lb Power Pro on my son's bonefish rod (OK, it's a fly
rod,
cut
me a break here).

Has anyone every tried tying a loop in the Power Pro using a standard
Bimini
Twist? I have tied it on the bench and it seems to work fine, but I
don't
want to learn that it isn't really a good knot while "on-the-job".

Thanks from Rick

Bimini Twist in 50lb Power Pro
 

"Richard Liebert" wrote in
message . ..
Thank you for your thoughtful comments. I have had similar experiences
with
Power Pro. I also use Stren braided line and highly recommend it, less
color
loss.

I also find the knots take more time to tie. I have had Palomar knots slip
out with a fish on so I only use Uni knots now. Uni knots take an extra
minute to tie but they never ever slip.

It's interesting to me that you've had that issue with the palomar. If I am
thinking correctly, it is the knot of choice recommened by a lot of the
superlines' box instructions.

I use it most of the time in a fresh water situation, when using Power Pro
and some heavier mono too, haven't had an issue with it slipping out, yet.
Plus, to me, a Uni takes more than "an extra" minute to tie! lol :-) I am
apparently all thumbs when it comes to getting semi-complicated knots tied
correctly...




"SimRacer" wrote in message
. ..

"John" wrote in message
...
I don't know if this comment applies to bonefishing but for big bass
fly
fishing I do not normally choose to use any loop to loop connection
between
my bass taper fly line and continuous mono leader. IMHO the twin
loops
make
a secondary topwater splash which tends to spook larger bass.

FWIW instead of any knot losing X% of its rated strength, I am far
more
concerned with fly line or leader retaining memory which is a royal
pain
in
the. g Does Power Pro retain memory?

John

I've never experienced any memory with PP, whether using it in fresh
water
or salt water.

*About* the only drawback to using PP that I have found, is that it will
fade in color with a lot of use. The pretty dark "moss green" color I
start
out with, will usually fade to a pale, yellowish green after a couple of
hard days on the water. That said, it's never seemed to bother the fish
after fading (I still get bit, and still catch fish on it, months after
fading), but it does fade. I just keep a Sharpie onboard if I feel like
I
need to stripe or "camoflage" the bait end of the line in extremely
clear
or
still water occasionally.

Just as an FYI, I stripped last year's PP off my (braid) reels just
yesterday, and compared to the fluorocarbon and mono I took off some
other
reels, it had NO memory to speak of, even after a couple of months just
being wrapped around my reels' spools out in the shop. Berkley Big Game
was
the worst yesterday. I took a couple hundred yards of 10lb off a
spinning
rig yesterday and it coiled up like you wouldn't believe on the floor.
It
was quite a messy nest. The PP came off nice and flat, and had been
"dormant" out in the shop just as long. I still like my basic "Big Game"
line, it just has a memory from hell.

*The "other" drawback to Power Pro is trying to break loose a snag. That
stuff is so strong, that I've pulled up significant branches from the
lake
bottom with it (the heaviest weight I use is 20#). I've straightened
hooks
out on lures trying to break them loose as well...not that saving a lure
is
"bad", it just takes a while to deal with if you can't break it off
after
a
couple of good college tries...and "time is money" when you're on the
water.
Of course none of these "drawbacks" outweigh, IMO, PP's excellent
performance (great sensitivety, near zero stretch and no memory to speak
of). And no, I don't work for nor am I sponsored by Power Pro...I am
self
employed in an unrelated industry and am sponsored solely by my own bank
accounts... ;-)



"Richard Liebert" wrote in
message ...
I am using 50 lb Power Pro on my son's bonefish rod (OK, it's a fly
rod,
cut
me a break here).

Has anyone every tried tying a loop in the Power Pro using a
standard
Bimini
Twist? I have tied it on the bench and it seems to work fine, but I
don't
want to learn that it isn't really a good knot while "on-the-job".

Thanks from Rick

Bimini Twist in 50lb Power Pro
 

I invented this knot a few years ago, to replace the Bimini Twist,, it
is possible to use other nail knot tools to tie it

http://ezknot.com/DL.htm
--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Long Shot "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, Decoy Activator
and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com

Bimini Twist in 50lb Power Pro
 

Thank you for your comments.

It's true, the Palomar is recommended by the manufacturers. I admit I
probably did not tighten the knot correctly before the two failures which
cost me big bass. However, the Power Pro knot guide (or is it the Stren
guide?) does state that you should pass the line through the hook eye twice
if possible and it also states that the Palomar knot is strong, but the Uni
is stronger. I don't mind tying the Uni knot so I use it. I hate knot
failures.


"SimRacer" wrote in message
. ..

"Richard Liebert" wrote in
message . ..
Thank you for your thoughtful comments. I have had similar experiences
with
Power Pro. I also use Stren braided line and highly recommend it, less
color
loss.

I also find the knots take more time to tie. I have had Palomar knots
slip
out with a fish on so I only use Uni knots now. Uni knots take an extra
minute to tie but they never ever slip.

It's interesting to me that you've had that issue with the palomar. If I
am
thinking correctly, it is the knot of choice recommened by a lot of the
superlines' box instructions.

I use it most of the time in a fresh water situation, when using Power Pro
and some heavier mono too, haven't had an issue with it slipping out, yet.
Plus, to me, a Uni takes more than "an extra" minute to tie! lol :-) I am
apparently all thumbs when it comes to getting semi-complicated knots tied
correctly...




"SimRacer" wrote in message
. ..

"John" wrote in message
...
I don't know if this comment applies to bonefishing but for big bass
fly
fishing I do not normally choose to use any loop to loop connection
between
my bass taper fly line and continuous mono leader. IMHO the twin
loops
make
a secondary topwater splash which tends to spook larger bass.

FWIW instead of any knot losing X% of its rated strength, I am far
more
concerned with fly line or leader retaining memory which is a royal
pain
in
the. g Does Power Pro retain memory?

John

I've never experienced any memory with PP, whether using it in fresh
water
or salt water.

*About* the only drawback to using PP that I have found, is that it
will
fade in color with a lot of use. The pretty dark "moss green" color I
start
out with, will usually fade to a pale, yellowish green after a couple
of
hard days on the water. That said, it's never seemed to bother the
fish
after fading (I still get bit, and still catch fish on it, months
after
fading), but it does fade. I just keep a Sharpie onboard if I feel
like
I
need to stripe or "camoflage" the bait end of the line in extremely
clear
or
still water occasionally.

Just as an FYI, I stripped last year's PP off my (braid) reels just
yesterday, and compared to the fluorocarbon and mono I took off some
other
reels, it had NO memory to speak of, even after a couple of months
just
being wrapped around my reels' spools out in the shop. Berkley Big
Game
was
the worst yesterday. I took a couple hundred yards of 10lb off a
spinning
rig yesterday and it coiled up like you wouldn't believe on the floor.
It
was quite a messy nest. The PP came off nice and flat, and had been
"dormant" out in the shop just as long. I still like my basic "Big
Game"
line, it just has a memory from hell.

*The "other" drawback to Power Pro is trying to break loose a snag.
That
stuff is so strong, that I've pulled up significant branches from the
lake
bottom with it (the heaviest weight I use is 20#). I've straightened
hooks
out on lures trying to break them loose as well...not that saving a
lure
is
"bad", it just takes a while to deal with if you can't break it off
after
a
couple of good college tries...and "time is money" when you're on the
water.
Of course none of these "drawbacks" outweigh, IMO, PP's excellent
performance (great sensitivety, near zero stretch and no memory to
speak
of). And no, I don't work for nor am I sponsored by Power Pro...I am
self
employed in an unrelated industry and am sponsored solely by my own
bank
accounts... ;-)



"Richard Liebert" wrote
in
message ...
I am using 50 lb Power Pro on my son's bonefish rod (OK, it's a fly
rod,
cut
me a break here).

Has anyone every tried tying a loop in the Power Pro using a
standard
Bimini
Twist? I have tied it on the bench and it seems to work fine, but
I
don't
want to learn that it isn't really a good knot while "on-the-job".

Thanks from Rick

Bimini Twist in 50lb Power Pro
 

"Richard Liebert" wrote in
message ...
Thank you for your comments.

It's true, the Palomar is recommended by the manufacturers. I admit I
probably did not tighten the knot correctly before the two failures which
cost me big bass. However, the Power Pro knot guide (or is it the Stren
guide?) does state that you should pass the line through the hook eye
twice
if possible and it also states that the Palomar knot is strong, but the
Uni
is stronger. I don't mind tying the Uni knot so I use it. I hate knot
failures.


Yeah man, go with what you are comfortable with. A Uni is a great knot if
you can tie it with ease on the water and have faith in it, no doubt.

But for me and my "usual" fishing chores (typically LM bass here in NC where
the state record is even less than 15lbs), the Palomar is plenty strong.
When we get out to the coast with running fish, and fish that are much
heavier, that's when I break out the multi-looped knots like the Uni.

I am still practicing the Uni with regularity though (ie: don't need 'the
book' to get it right anymore) just so I can continue to attached my
superline to a layer of mono on my reels to a) save braid, and b) give it
something to bite into on the slick reel spools.


"SimRacer" wrote in message
. ..

"Richard Liebert" wrote in
message . ..
Thank you for your thoughtful comments. I have had similar experiences
with
Power Pro. I also use Stren braided line and highly recommend it, less
color
loss.

I also find the knots take more time to tie. I have had Palomar knots
slip
out with a fish on so I only use Uni knots now. Uni knots take an
extra
minute to tie but they never ever slip.

It's interesting to me that you've had that issue with the palomar. If I
am
thinking correctly, it is the knot of choice recommened by a lot of the
superlines' box instructions.

I use it most of the time in a fresh water situation, when using Power
Pro
and some heavier mono too, haven't had an issue with it slipping out,
yet.
Plus, to me, a Uni takes more than "an extra" minute to tie! lol :-) I
am
apparently all thumbs when it comes to getting semi-complicated knots
tied
correctly...




"SimRacer" wrote in message
. ..

"John" wrote in message
...
I don't know if this comment applies to bonefishing but for big
bass
fly
fishing I do not normally choose to use any loop to loop
connection
between
my bass taper fly line and continuous mono leader. IMHO the twin
loops
make
a secondary topwater splash which tends to spook larger bass.

FWIW instead of any knot losing X% of its rated strength, I am far
more
concerned with fly line or leader retaining memory which is a
royal
pain
in
the. g Does Power Pro retain memory?

John

I've never experienced any memory with PP, whether using it in fresh
water
or salt water.

*About* the only drawback to using PP that I have found, is that it
will
fade in color with a lot of use. The pretty dark "moss green" color
I
start
out with, will usually fade to a pale, yellowish green after a
couple
of
hard days on the water. That said, it's never seemed to bother the
fish
after fading (I still get bit, and still catch fish on it, months
after
fading), but it does fade. I just keep a Sharpie onboard if I feel
like
I
need to stripe or "camoflage" the bait end of the line in extremely
clear
or
still water occasionally.

Just as an FYI, I stripped last year's PP off my (braid) reels just
yesterday, and compared to the fluorocarbon and mono I took off some
other
reels, it had NO memory to speak of, even after a couple of months
just
being wrapped around my reels' spools out in the shop. Berkley Big
Game
was
the worst yesterday. I took a couple hundred yards of 10lb off a
spinning
rig yesterday and it coiled up like you wouldn't believe on the
floor.
It
was quite a messy nest. The PP came off nice and flat, and had been
"dormant" out in the shop just as long. I still like my basic "Big
Game"
line, it just has a memory from hell.

*The "other" drawback to Power Pro is trying to break loose a snag.
That
stuff is so strong, that I've pulled up significant branches from
the
lake
bottom with it (the heaviest weight I use is 20#). I've straightened
hooks
out on lures trying to break them loose as well...not that saving a
lure
is
"bad", it just takes a while to deal with if you can't break it off
after
a
couple of good college tries...and "time is money" when you're on
the
water.
Of course none of these "drawbacks" outweigh, IMO, PP's excellent
performance (great sensitivety, near zero stretch and no memory to
speak
of). And no, I don't work for nor am I sponsored by Power Pro...I am
self
employed in an unrelated industry and am sponsored solely by my own
bank
accounts... ;-)



"Richard Liebert" wrote
in
message ...
I am using 50 lb Power Pro on my son's bonefish rod (OK, it's a
fly
rod,
cut
me a break here).

Has anyone every tried tying a loop in the Power Pro using a
standard
Bimini
Twist? I have tied it on the bench and it seems to work fine,
but
I
don't
want to learn that it isn't really a good knot while
"on-the-job".

Thanks from Rick

Bimini Twist in 50lb Power Pro
 

Thank everyone for their thoughtful posts! Gonna try PP on my fly line and
see if it works out!!!

Be well and fish more.
John
"SimRacer" wrote in message
. ..

"John" wrote in message
...
I don't know if this comment applies to bonefishing but for big bass fly
fishing I do not normally choose to use any loop to loop connection
between
my bass taper fly line and continuous mono leader. IMHO the twin loops
make
a secondary topwater splash which tends to spook larger bass.

FWIW instead of any knot losing X% of its rated strength, I am far more
concerned with fly line or leader retaining memory which is a royal pain
in
the. g Does Power Pro retain memory?

John

I've never experienced any memory with PP, whether using it in fresh water
or salt water.

*About* the only drawback to using PP that I have found, is that it will
fade in color with a lot of use. The pretty dark "moss green" color I
start
out with, will usually fade to a pale, yellowish green after a couple of
hard days on the water. That said, it's never seemed to bother the fish
after fading (I still get bit, and still catch fish on it, months after
fading), but it does fade. I just keep a Sharpie onboard if I feel like I
need to stripe or "camoflage" the bait end of the line in extremely clear
or
still water occasionally.

Just as an FYI, I stripped last year's PP off my (braid) reels just
yesterday, and compared to the fluorocarbon and mono I took off some other
reels, it had NO memory to speak of, even after a couple of months just
being wrapped around my reels' spools out in the shop. Berkley Big Game
was
the worst yesterday. I took a couple hundred yards of 10lb off a spinning
rig yesterday and it coiled up like you wouldn't believe on the floor. It
was quite a messy nest. The PP came off nice and flat, and had been
"dormant" out in the shop just as long. I still like my basic "Big Game"
line, it just has a memory from hell.

*The "other" drawback to Power Pro is trying to break loose a snag. That
stuff is so strong, that I've pulled up significant branches from the lake
bottom with it (the heaviest weight I use is 20#). I've straightened hooks
out on lures trying to break them loose as well...not that saving a lure
is
"bad", it just takes a while to deal with if you can't break it off after
a
couple of good college tries...and "time is money" when you're on the
water.
Of course none of these "drawbacks" outweigh, IMO, PP's excellent
performance (great sensitivety, near zero stretch and no memory to speak
of). And no, I don't work for nor am I sponsored by Power Pro...I am self
employed in an unrelated industry and am sponsored solely by my own bank
accounts... ;-)



"Richard Liebert" wrote in
message ...
I am using 50 lb Power Pro on my son's bonefish rod (OK, it's a fly rod,
cut
me a break here).

Has anyone every tried tying a loop in the Power Pro using a standard
Bimini
Twist? I have tied it on the bench and it seems to work fine, but I
don't
want to learn that it isn't really a good knot while "on-the-job".

Thanks from Rick

Bimini Twist in 50lb Power Pro
 

"John" wrote in message
...
Thank everyone for their thoughtful posts! Gonna try PP on my fly line
and
see if it works out!!!

Be well and fish more.
John

Hey man, best of luck to ya! Power Pro came to us flat/fresh water
fisherpeople from sal****er fisherpeople anyway (that is a "redfish" on the
box afterall, or so it appears to me) so it's use anywhere should be
invesitaged if not just flat out exploited. ;-)

I came to it after trying Fireline, Spiderwire, and Stren's braid. PP is my
current line of choice among those 3. YMMV.

"SimRacer" wrote in message
. ..

"John" wrote in message
...
I don't know if this comment applies to bonefishing but for big bass
fly
fishing I do not normally choose to use any loop to loop connection
between
my bass taper fly line and continuous mono leader. IMHO the twin loops
make
a secondary topwater splash which tends to spook larger bass.

FWIW instead of any knot losing X% of its rated strength, I am far more
concerned with fly line or leader retaining memory which is a royal
pain
in
the. g Does Power Pro retain memory?

John

I've never experienced any memory with PP, whether using it in fresh
water
or salt water.

*About* the only drawback to using PP that I have found, is that it will
fade in color with a lot of use. The pretty dark "moss green" color I
start
out with, will usually fade to a pale, yellowish green after a couple of
hard days on the water. That said, it's never seemed to bother the fish
after fading (I still get bit, and still catch fish on it, months after
fading), but it does fade. I just keep a Sharpie onboard if I feel like
I
need to stripe or "camoflage" the bait end of the line in extremely
clear
or
still water occasionally.

Just as an FYI, I stripped last year's PP off my (braid) reels just
yesterday, and compared to the fluorocarbon and mono I took off some
other
reels, it had NO memory to speak of, even after a couple of months just
being wrapped around my reels' spools out in the shop. Berkley Big Game
was
the worst yesterday. I took a couple hundred yards of 10lb off a
spinning
rig yesterday and it coiled up like you wouldn't believe on the floor.
It
was quite a messy nest. The PP came off nice and flat, and had been
"dormant" out in the shop just as long. I still like my basic "Big Game"
line, it just has a memory from hell.

*The "other" drawback to Power Pro is trying to break loose a snag. That
stuff is so strong, that I've pulled up significant branches from the
lake
bottom with it (the heaviest weight I use is 20#). I've straightened
hooks
out on lures trying to break them loose as well...not that saving a lure
is
"bad", it just takes a while to deal with if you can't break it off
after
a
couple of good college tries...and "time is money" when you're on the
water.
Of course none of these "drawbacks" outweigh, IMO, PP's excellent
performance (great sensitivety, near zero stretch and no memory to speak
of). And no, I don't work for nor am I sponsored by Power Pro...I am
self
employed in an unrelated industry and am sponsored solely by my own bank
accounts... ;-)



"Richard Liebert" wrote in
message ...
I am using 50 lb Power Pro on my son's bonefish rod (OK, it's a fly
rod,
cut
me a break here).

Has anyone every tried tying a loop in the Power Pro using a standard
Bimini
Twist? I have tied it on the bench and it seems to work fine, but I
don't
want to learn that it isn't really a good knot while "on-the-job".

Thanks from Rick

Bimini Twist in 50lb Power Pro
 

The only reason I used PP on my son's fly reel was to get more backing on
the reel. We are going bone fishing next week and his 8wt reel could only
hold 55 yds of backing and line, not enough. With the PP spooled on as the
backing we are getting about 150yds plus which is still cutting it close if
you hook into a double digit bone.

The knot I ended up with required whipping to keep it smooth. Other than the
whipping it was really easy to tie in fact it was featured in last months
Sal****er Fly Fishing magazine. If you are interested let me know and I'll
get you the exact issue # etc.

Rick


"John" wrote in message
...
Thank everyone for their thoughtful posts! Gonna try PP on my fly line
and
see if it works out!!!

Be well and fish more.
John
"SimRacer" wrote in message
. ..

"John" wrote in message
...
I don't know if this comment applies to bonefishing but for big bass
fly
fishing I do not normally choose to use any loop to loop connection
between
my bass taper fly line and continuous mono leader. IMHO the twin loops
make
a secondary topwater splash which tends to spook larger bass.

FWIW instead of any knot losing X% of its rated strength, I am far more
concerned with fly line or leader retaining memory which is a royal
pain
in
the. g Does Power Pro retain memory?

John

I've never experienced any memory with PP, whether using it in fresh
water
or salt water.

*About* the only drawback to using PP that I have found, is that it will
fade in color with a lot of use. The pretty dark "moss green" color I
start
out with, will usually fade to a pale, yellowish green after a couple of
hard days on the water. That said, it's never seemed to bother the fish
after fading (I still get bit, and still catch fish on it, months after
fading), but it does fade. I just keep a Sharpie onboard if I feel like
I
need to stripe or "camoflage" the bait end of the line in extremely
clear
or
still water occasionally.

Just as an FYI, I stripped last year's PP off my (braid) reels just
yesterday, and compared to the fluorocarbon and mono I took off some
other
reels, it had NO memory to speak of, even after a couple of months just
being wrapped around my reels' spools out in the shop. Berkley Big Game
was
the worst yesterday. I took a couple hundred yards of 10lb off a
spinning
rig yesterday and it coiled up like you wouldn't believe on the floor.
It
was quite a messy nest. The PP came off nice and flat, and had been
"dormant" out in the shop just as long. I still like my basic "Big Game"
line, it just has a memory from hell.

*The "other" drawback to Power Pro is trying to break loose a snag. That
stuff is so strong, that I've pulled up significant branches from the
lake
bottom with it (the heaviest weight I use is 20#). I've straightened
hooks
out on lures trying to break them loose as well...not that saving a lure
is
"bad", it just takes a while to deal with if you can't break it off
after
a
couple of good college tries...and "time is money" when you're on the
water.
Of course none of these "drawbacks" outweigh, IMO, PP's excellent
performance (great sensitivety, near zero stretch and no memory to speak
of). And no, I don't work for nor am I sponsored by Power Pro...I am
self
employed in an unrelated industry and am sponsored solely by my own bank
accounts... ;-)



"Richard Liebert" wrote in
message ...
I am using 50 lb Power Pro on my son's bonefish rod (OK, it's a fly
rod,
cut
me a break here).

Has anyone every tried tying a loop in the Power Pro using a standard
Bimini
Twist? I have tied it on the bench and it seems to work fine, but I
don't
want to learn that it isn't really a good knot while "on-the-job".

Thanks from Rick

Bimini Twist in 50lb Power Pro
 

This is the right issue of the right magazine. They don't discuss the knot
on the web though, you will have to buy the magazine.

http://www.flyfishingmagazines.com/s...ture_052.shtml


"SimRacer" wrote in message
...

"John" wrote in message
...
Thank everyone for their thoughtful posts! Gonna try PP on my fly line
and
see if it works out!!!

Be well and fish more.
John

Hey man, best of luck to ya! Power Pro came to us flat/fresh water
fisherpeople from sal****er fisherpeople anyway (that is a "redfish" on
the
box afterall, or so it appears to me) so it's use anywhere should be
invesitaged if not just flat out exploited. ;-)

I came to it after trying Fireline, Spiderwire, and Stren's braid. PP is
my
current line of choice among those 3. YMMV.

"SimRacer" wrote in message
. ..

"John" wrote in message
...
I don't know if this comment applies to bonefishing but for big bass
fly
fishing I do not normally choose to use any loop to loop connection
between
my bass taper fly line and continuous mono leader. IMHO the twin
loops
make
a secondary topwater splash which tends to spook larger bass.

FWIW instead of any knot losing X% of its rated strength, I am far
more
concerned with fly line or leader retaining memory which is a royal
pain
in
the. g Does Power Pro retain memory?

John

I've never experienced any memory with PP, whether using it in fresh
water
or salt water.

*About* the only drawback to using PP that I have found, is that it
will
fade in color with a lot of use. The pretty dark "moss green" color I
start
out with, will usually fade to a pale, yellowish green after a couple
of
hard days on the water. That said, it's never seemed to bother the
fish
after fading (I still get bit, and still catch fish on it, months
after
fading), but it does fade. I just keep a Sharpie onboard if I feel
like
I
need to stripe or "camoflage" the bait end of the line in extremely
clear
or
still water occasionally.

Just as an FYI, I stripped last year's PP off my (braid) reels just
yesterday, and compared to the fluorocarbon and mono I took off some
other
reels, it had NO memory to speak of, even after a couple of months
just
being wrapped around my reels' spools out in the shop. Berkley Big
Game
was
the worst yesterday. I took a couple hundred yards of 10lb off a
spinning
rig yesterday and it coiled up like you wouldn't believe on the floor.
It
was quite a messy nest. The PP came off nice and flat, and had been
"dormant" out in the shop just as long. I still like my basic "Big
Game"
line, it just has a memory from hell.

*The "other" drawback to Power Pro is trying to break loose a snag.
That
stuff is so strong, that I've pulled up significant branches from the
lake
bottom with it (the heaviest weight I use is 20#). I've straightened
hooks
out on lures trying to break them loose as well...not that saving a
lure
is
"bad", it just takes a while to deal with if you can't break it off
after
a
couple of good college tries...and "time is money" when you're on the
water.
Of course none of these "drawbacks" outweigh, IMO, PP's excellent
performance (great sensitivety, near zero stretch and no memory to
speak
of). And no, I don't work for nor am I sponsored by Power Pro...I am
self
employed in an unrelated industry and am sponsored solely by my own
bank
accounts... ;-)



"Richard Liebert" wrote in
message ...
I am using 50 lb Power Pro on my son's bonefish rod (OK, it's a fly
rod,
cut
me a break here).

Has anyone every tried tying a loop in the Power Pro using a
standard
Bimini
Twist? I have tied it on the bench and it seems to work fine, but I
don't
want to learn that it isn't really a good knot while "on-the-job".

Thanks from Rick