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snip When I'm tempted to get into one of these, I think: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...NINGRETARD.jpg What a pity you didn't think before posting that. Wolfgang Wolfgang, my favorite Troll... Happy New Year Man! Add me to the list of favorites, then. That link is *WAY* off base, and that you think it's funny is sad. -- TL, Tim ------------------------ http://css.sbcma.com/timj/ |
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"Tim J." wrote in message ... Skwala typed: snip When I'm tempted to get into one of these, I think: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...NINGRETARD.jpg What a pity you didn't think before posting that. Wolfgang Wolfgang, my favorite Troll... Happy New Year Man! Add me to the list of favorites, then. That link is *WAY* off base, and that you think it's funny is sad. -- TL, Tim ------------------------ http://css.sbcma.com/timj/ Actually, I had no wish to offend any one with disabilities. The picture is commonly used on usenet for the sort of endless and pointless exchanges between posters with a whacko agenda and reasonable and articulate responders that try to inject reason amnd logic into the trhread. The point being, you cant win an argument or correct the skewed reasoning of the poster with the agenda, becuase the whole exchange is; excuse me here - retarded. But if I did indeed offend any one for any reason, then I most humbly, and sincerly, apologize. I didn't think it violated the assumed rules of this newsgroup, however. |
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"Skwala" wrote in message ... ....But if I did indeed offend any one for any reason, then I most humbly, and sincerly, apologize.... Ah! And a liar to boot. Wolfgang well, really, is anyone surprised? :) |
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"Wolfgang" wrote in message ... "Skwala" wrote in message ... ....But if I did indeed offend any one for any reason, then I most humbly, and sincerly, apologize.... Ah! And a liar to boot. Wolfgang well, really, is anyone surprised? :) Well except to you, of course... still drinking every day? |
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"Skwala" wrote in message ... "Wolfgang" wrote in message ... "Skwala" wrote in message ... ....But if I did indeed offend any one for any reason, then I most humbly, and sincerly, apologize.... Ah! And a liar to boot. Wolfgang well, really, is anyone surprised? :) Well except to you, of course... dleof943,f? still drinking every day? Yeah, pretty much. Got any friends who have family members with disabilities they've never told you about? Won't it be a hoot when they find out how funny you think "retards" are? Wolfgang |
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Skwala typed:
"Tim J." wrote in message ... Skwala typed: snip When I'm tempted to get into one of these, I think: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...NINGRETARD.jpg What a pity you didn't think before posting that. Wolfgang Wolfgang, my favorite Troll... Happy New Year Man! Add me to the list of favorites, then. That link is *WAY* off base, and that you think it's funny is sad. Actually, I had no wish to offend any one with disabilities. The picture is commonly used on usenet for the sort of endless and pointless exchanges between posters with a whacko agenda and reasonable and articulate responders that try to inject reason amnd logic into the trhread. All sorts of things are commonly said and done, but that doesn't make their use the right thing to do. The point being, you cant win an argument or correct the skewed reasoning of the poster with the agenda, becuase the whole exchange is; excuse me here - retarded. There you go again! Other words, like "pointless" or "useless" or "idiotic" would better suit your point. My guess is that far fewer people would be offended (well, except for the pointless, useless, idiotic ones.) But if I did indeed offend any one for any reason, then I most humbly, and sincerly, apologize. I didn't think it violated the assumed rules of this newsgroup, however. It has nothing to do with any assumed rules, just common decency and respect for a group of the population that gets precious little of either. -- HTH, Tim ------------------------ http://css.sbcma.com/timj/ |
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Tim J. wrote: Skwala typed: ............ Wolfgang, my favorite Troll... Happy New Year Man! Add me to the list of favorites, then. .... Me too. |
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wrote in message oups.com... Tim J. wrote: Skwala typed: ............ Wolfgang, my favorite Troll... Happy New Year Man! Add me to the list of favorites, then. .... Me too. Done... |
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"Tim J." wrote in message
Add me to the list of favorites, then. That link is *WAY* off base, and that you think it's funny is sad. What he said. Joe F. |
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Kevin Vang wrote:
In article , lid says... There you go again! Other words, like "pointless" or "useless" or "idiotic" would better suit your point. My guess is that far fewer people would be offended (well, except for the pointless, useless, idiotic ones.) A perfectly good argument shot right in the ass by an unfortunate choice of word... Hmmm. . . enlighten, please. Maybe my dictionary is acting up again. -- TL, Tim --------------------------- http://css.sbcma.com/timj/ |
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Tim J. typed:
Kevin Vang wrote: In article , lid says... There you go again! Other words, like "pointless" or "useless" or "idiotic" would better suit your point. My guess is that far fewer people would be offended (well, except for the pointless, useless, idiotic ones.) A perfectly good argument shot right in the ass by an unfortunate choice of word... Hmmm. . . enlighten, please. Maybe my dictionary is acting up again. Ahhhh. . . why wait (patience was never my long suit.) You have to drill down pretty deep to get from the word "idiotic" to "retarded". The word "idiot" hasn't been used in a psychological sense for around fifty years, while the word "retarded" still has as its main definition, "Often offensive. Affected with mental retardation." Both of the newer dictionaries I consulted list "showing foolishness or stupidity" as the main definition of idiotic. I had to go back to a 1954 copy to find a main definition that even vaguely referred to mental retardation, and then only by referring to the word "idiot". Obviously, words morph over time, exemplified by the fact that the root of the word, "idios", means one's own, or private person. Also, I didn't hold up a photo of someone afflicted with Down syndrome and use the word, which would change its context. We're crossing into the gray area of political correctness, which I abhor. Man (oops), this freakin' (oops) stuff is idiotic [sic]. Maybe we should consult the same dictionary together. Wolfgang? ;-) -- TL, Tim ------------------------ http://css.sbcma.com/timj/ |
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"Tim J." wrote in message ... ....Wolfgang? ;-) Well, I think maybe Kevin's use of "unfortunate choice of word" referred to Skwala's, not yours. Hard to say for sure. If I'm wrong, I think you acquitted yourself nicely. If I'm right, the only thing unfortunate thing about it (it was, after all, deliberate) is that Skwala revealed a great deal more about himself than he probably intended. Unfortunate for him.....not for those who like to know who they are dealing with. Wolfgang who firmly believes that usenet serves more than important purpose. |
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Tim J. wrote:
You have to drill down pretty deep to get from the word "idiotic" to "retarded". The word "idiot" hasn't been used in a psychological sense for around fifty years, while the word "retarded" still has as its main definition, "Often offensive. Affected with mental retardation." "Retarded" is the opposite of "advanced." I restrict my use of the word to ignition timing. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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I think in Kevin's case (and I could be wrong here), it was a perfectly
good argument shot in the ass by replying to the wrong post. I don't believe he took issue with Tim's post so much as suggesting that Skwala may have had a valid point about the futility of this particular thread, but that he chose a very poor vehicle for illustration, thus distracting from his main argument. ..02, Joe F. p.s. Thanks for the etymology anyway. |
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On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:20:42 -0500, "Tim J."
wrote: ...its context. AHEM... We're crossing into the gray area of political correctness Uh, no. "Political correctness" would suggest, nay, DEMAND, that the word itself is "incorrect," such as would require the changing of photo captions from their original "negro" to "African-American." Common sense, being in opposition to "political correctness" would correctly suggest that the contextual usage in the instant case would be widely offensive to many/most. If only common sense were a lot more common... HTH, R ....now, if he'd posted a link to a "lookee, Ma!" picture of some bozo holding a trout with 9 other LDR'd flies in its mouth, captioned "some critters never learn"... |
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The word "idiot" hasn't been used in a psychological sense for
around fifty years, ... Obviously, words morph over time, exemplified by the fact that the root of the word, "idios", means one's own, or private person. one of our professors here in "greenvuhl", dr. steven cerutti, has written a just-published book, "the words of the day: the unlikely evolution of common english"... according to him, in ancient greece, a person who kept to himself and out of public life was referred to as an "idiotes", by the mid-14th century, "idiot" meant anything from an uneducated person to a feeble-minded fool. jeff (who admittedly is properly described by all of the ancient and current definitions/meanings of the word) |
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Not that I disagree entirely; but I have to take issue with the blanket
assertion that common sense is in opposition to political correctness. To be sure, some PC phrases do seem nonsensical (OBROFF: fisherpersons vs. fishermen); but it's my overall unscientific impression that more often than not, the two go hand in hand. Common sense, IMO, would dictate that once a word or phrase is understood to be offensive to many/most, discontinuation of its common usage should be considered. Joe F. |
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Jeff Miller typed:
The word "idiot" hasn't been used in a psychological sense for around fifty years, ... Obviously, words morph over time, exemplified by the fact that the root of the word, "idios", means one's own, or private person. one of our professors here in "greenvuhl", dr. steven cerutti, has written a just-published book, "the words of the day: the unlikely evolution of common english"... according to him, in ancient greece, a person who kept to himself and out of public life was referred to as an "idiotes", by the mid-14th century, "idiot" meant anything from an uneducated person to a feeble-minded fool. .... also mildly interesting is that some words that appear totally unrelated today share the same root, like "idiom" for example. -- TL, Tim ------------------------ http://css.sbcma.com/timj/ |
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On 6 Jan 2006 06:14:31 -0800, "rb608" wrote:
Not that I disagree entirely; but I have to take issue with the blanket assertion that common sense is in opposition to political correctness. To be sure, some PC phrases do seem nonsensical (OBROFF: fisherpersons vs. fishermen); but it's my overall unscientific impression that more often than not, the two go hand in hand. Common sense, IMO, would dictate that once a word or phrase is understood to be offensive to many/most, discontinuation of its common usage should be considered. Joe F. Well, maybe, but for me, when words themselves start getting banned it isn't the thin end of the wedge or starting down a slippery slope - you're at the bottom, covered in rancid grease with the wedge driven up your ass... TC, R |
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wrote in message ... On 6 Jan 2006 06:14:31 -0800, "rb608" wrote: Not that I disagree entirely; but I have to take issue with the blanket assertion that common sense is in opposition to political correctness. To be sure, some PC phrases do seem nonsensical (OBROFF: fisherpersons vs. fishermen); but it's my overall unscientific impression that more often than not, the two go hand in hand. Common sense, IMO, would dictate that once a word or phrase is understood to be offensive to many/most, discontinuation of its common usage should be considered. Joe F. Well, maybe, but for me, when words themselves start getting banned I'd like to see that list of banned words, please. it isn't the thin end of the wedge or starting down a slippery slope - you're at the bottom, covered in rancid grease with the wedge driven up your ass... Mind it doesn't break your nose. Wolfgang |
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On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:55:42 -0500, Jeff Miller
wrote: The word "idiot" hasn't been used in a psychological sense for around fifty years, ... Obviously, words morph over time, exemplified by the fact that the root of the word, "idios", means one's own, or private person. one of our professors here in "greenvuhl", dr. steven cerutti, has written a just-published book, "the words of the day: the unlikely evolution of common english"... according to him, in ancient greece, a person who kept to himself and out of public life was referred to as an "idiotes", by the mid-14th century, "idiot" meant anything from an uneducated person to a feeble-minded fool. DAMN! He's one O-O-O-LD sonofabitch! Of course, his kinfolk does make some decent suits... Did he happen to say anything about what Hero's thoughts on aeolipiles and heat conversion education theories might be someone who had hopped their ass up on a hot stove? I mean, you've got yer classical, yer theoretical, and then, well, there's yer practical...IOW, any more appeals to the 4th? TC, R |
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"Wolfgang" wrote...and wrote...and wrote...and
wrote...: Well of course it did... Now go back and play with Scotty - you two are like peas in a pod...well, goobers in a shell, anyway... Tootles, Eleven-and-a-half Eagles.....dick ....ya gots yer "won't" and then, ya gots yer "incapable of"... |
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wrote in message ... "Wolfgang" wrote...and wrote...and wrote...and wrote...: Well of course it did... Now go back and play with Scotty - you two are like peas in a pod...well, goobers in a shell, anyway... Tootles, Eleven-and-a-half Eagles.....dick ...ya gots yer "won't" and then, ya gots yer "incapable of"... Couldn't find it, huh? So, anyway, exactly when, where and by whom were these words banned, anyway? And, aside from speeding up the process whereby actual human beings recognize you (which, as you well know.....from the example set here in ROFF as well as the rest of your life....always happens eventually anyhow) precisely how have you been penalized for your use of these proscribed words? Wolfgang |
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Kevin Vang typed:
In article , says... Well, I think maybe Kevin's use of "unfortunate choice of word" referred to Skwala's, not yours. No, actually I was referring to Tim's use of the word "idiotic." I actually agree with Tim's point, I just thought he rather undermined it by suggesting "idiotic" as a more acceptable word than "retarded", and you don't have to dig that deep at all to find out why: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=idiot The least you could do is refer to the word I used. ;-) http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=idiotic NOW see how much digging it takes. -- TL, Tim ------------------------ http://css.sbcma.com/timj/ |
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"Tim J." wrote in message ... Kevin Vang typed: In article , says... Well, I think maybe Kevin's use of "unfortunate choice of word" The least you could do is refer to the word I used. ;-) http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=idiotic NOW see how much digging it takes. -- TL, Tim 1.. Showing foolishness or stupidity. 2.. Exhibiting idiocy. Yes, much like this thread and the one that started it... As if idiotic wasn't an adjective from the noun Idiot.... Great argument. Must... resist.... this... vortex..... too late, sucked in. |
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Skwala typed:
"Tim J." wrote in message ... Kevin Vang typed: In article , says... Well, I think maybe Kevin's use of "unfortunate choice of word" The least you could do is refer to the word I used. ;-) http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=idiotic NOW see how much digging it takes. -- TL, Tim 1.. Showing foolishness or stupidity. 2.. Exhibiting idiocy. Yes, much like this thread and the one that started it... As if idiotic wasn't an adjective from the noun Idiot.... Great argument. Ahhh, I get it: "Deflector shields - UP!" Must... resist.... this... vortex..... too late, sucked in. Hell, you're standing dead-center. -- TL, Tim ------------------------ http://css.sbcma.com/timj/ |
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Tim J. wrote:
Skwala typed: Must... resist.... this... vortex..... too late, sucked in. Hell, you're standing dead-center. I'm gonna toss two cents into this and call it enough. If you want to say that arguing on Usenet is retarded that's one thing, but when you illustrate your argument with the picture of a retarded human being in an attempt to be "funny" you have crossed a line. We return you to your regularly scheduled etymology lesson. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Tim J. wrote: Skwala typed: Must... resist.... this... vortex..... too late, sucked in. Hell, you're standing dead-center. I'm gonna toss two cents into this and call it enough. If you want to say that arguing on Usenet is retarded that's one thing, but when you illustrate your argument with the picture of a retarded human being in an attempt to be "funny" you have crossed a line. I agree with that assessment and calling someone a retard, idiot, or moron fits somewhere in between the two. Willi |
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message ... Tim J. wrote: Skwala typed: Must... resist.... this... vortex..... too late, sucked in. Hell, you're standing dead-center. I'm gonna toss two cents into this and call it enough. If you want to say that arguing on Usenet is retarded that's one thing, but when you illustrate your argument with the picture of a retarded human being in an attempt to be "funny" you have crossed a line. We return you to your regularly scheduled etymology lesson. -- Ken Fortenberry If you recall... I apologized for that, a long time ago... Hell, I can be insensitive, and I agree, I offended some people that have a different life experience then I do. maybe everyone can now show me just what sterling examples of the human race they are, and cut me some slack. Other than that, maybe I just wasted my time with a bunch of hypocritical blowhards with nothing better to do with their time than bash strangers from the safe distance of Usenet. |
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Skwala typed:
"Tim J." wrote in message ... Kevin Vang typed: In article , says... Well, I think maybe Kevin's use of "unfortunate choice of word" The least you could do is refer to the word I used. ;-) http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=idiotic NOW see how much digging it takes. 1.. Showing foolishness or stupidity. 2.. Exhibiting idiocy. Yes, much like this thread and the one that started it... As if idiotic wasn't an adjective from the noun Idiot.... Great argument. You're right, and it should have never gotten to this point. That you used a poorly chosen example that I (and obviously others) found in poor taste and that I used a poorly chosen word in rebuttle, doesn't change my original point. Score one for Kevin. ;-) -- TL, Tim ------------------------ http://css.sbcma.com/timj/ |
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On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:42:10 -0800, "Skwala"
wrote: "Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message m... Tim J. wrote: Skwala typed: Must... resist.... this... vortex..... too late, sucked in. Hell, you're standing dead-center. I'm gonna toss two cents into this and call it enough. If you want to say that arguing on Usenet is retarded that's one thing, but when you illustrate your argument with the picture of a retarded human being in an attempt to be "funny" you have crossed a line. We return you to your regularly scheduled etymology lesson. -- Ken Fortenberry If you recall... I apologized for that, a long time ago... Hell, I can be insensitive, and I agree, I offended some people that have a different life experience then I do. maybe everyone can now show me just what sterling examples of the human race they are, and cut me some slack. Sure...how much rope would you like? Other than that, maybe I just wasted my time with a bunch of hypocritical blowhards with nothing better to do with their time than bash strangers from the safe distance of Usenet. Are you saying you are an idiot who wanted to do something stupid with a bunch of morons? Fair enough...so, are you a Republican or a Democrat? And just to save time, dick |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:42:10 -0800, "Skwala" wrote: "Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message om... Tim J. wrote: Skwala typed: Must... resist.... this... vortex..... too late, sucked in. Hell, you're standing dead-center. I'm gonna toss two cents into this and call it enough. If you want to say that arguing on Usenet is retarded that's one thing, but when you illustrate your argument with the picture of a retarded human being in an attempt to be "funny" you have crossed a line. We return you to your regularly scheduled etymology lesson. -- Ken Fortenberry If you recall... I apologized for that, a long time ago... Hell, I can be insensitive, and I agree, I offended some people that have a different life experience then I do. maybe everyone can now show me just what sterling examples of the human race they are, and cut me some slack. Sure...how much rope would you like? Other than that, maybe I just wasted my time with a bunch of hypocritical blowhards with nothing better to do with their time than bash strangers from the safe distance of Usenet. Are you saying you are an idiot who wanted to do something stupid with a bunch of morons? Fair enough...so, are you a Republican or a Democrat? And just to save time, dick Finally, someone that makes sense in this circus... And I'm a Wobbly, Libertarian, Social, Independent.Free love's not a bad idea, either, but those people all dead. |
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Skwala wrote:
wrote in message ... Are you saying you are an idiot who wanted to do something stupid with a bunch of morons? Fair enough...so, are you a Republican or a Democrat? And just to save time, dick Finally, someone that makes sense in this circus... Er ... I don't know how to put this gently, but Richard doesn't even make sense to *himself* most of the time. :-) Chuck Vance (btw, Happy Politically Correct Holiday of the Season, Richard :-) |
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(btw, Happy Politically Correct Holiday of the
Season, Richard :-) Politically Correct? How 'bout some consideration for those of us that are apolitical? Didn't think about that before you flaunted your electoral college in our faces, did'ja? And then again, you compound it with the seasonal crap knowing full well that there are millions of fly fishermen that have hobby-enhanced season affective disorder (He SAD). Finally, what with this "RICHARD" crap. Sounds very monarchial to me. You want the brits to install a king here in the land of the free doncha? Why do you hate America so much. Some people are just trying to start a controversy every time they get in front of a keyboard. Frank Reid |
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Frank Reid typed:
(btw, Happy Politically Correct Holiday of the Season, Richard :-) Politically Correct? How 'bout some consideration for those of us that are apolitical? Didn't think about that before you flaunted your electoral college in our faces, did'ja? And then again, you compound it with the seasonal crap knowing full well that there are millions of fly fishermen that have hobby-enhanced season affective disorder (He SAD). Finally, what with this "RICHARD" crap. Sounds very monarchial to me. You want the brits to install a king here in the land of the free doncha? Why do you hate America so much. Some people are just trying to start a controversy every time they get in front of a keyboard. Hmmmm. . . someone's just a little TOO happy about moving to Omaha. -- TL, Tim ------------------------ http://css.sbcma.com/timj/ |
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..... according to him, in ancient greece, a
person who kept to himself and out of public life was referred to as an "idiotes", That's correct, Jeff. Pericles said, "If a man says he takes no interest in politics, we do not say he minds his own business; we say he has no business here at all!" In a loosely similar way, our word "villain" derives from the Latin word for farmer, or "hick." vince |
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On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 19:15:43 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: (snipped) when you illustrate your argument with the picture of a retarded human being in an attempt to be "funny" you have crossed a line. Especially when it's such a cute pic of a kid who's worked hard and is so happy with winning that his joy shines right through everything. The kid is justly proud of what he's done. Anyone who'd not applaud the child and the win is, well, the best definition I can think of is 'not nice.' and I'd bet has less to be proud of in his / her life than that kid has. Cyli r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels. Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless. http://www.visi.com/~cyli email: lid (strip the .invalid to email) |
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On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:42:10 -0800, "Skwala"
wrote: (snipped) Other than that, maybe I just wasted my time with a bunch of hypocritical blowhards with nothing better to do with their time than bash strangers from the safe distance of Usenet. There, now. Some of knew you were bright enough to catch us in our real personas. Cyli r.bc: vixen. Minnow goddess. Speaker to squirrels. Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless. http://www.visi.com/~cyli email: lid (strip the .invalid to email) |
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