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Arolik River Alaska (questions)
Has anyone here fished the Arolik River, Alaska?
My friend and I are heading up there in July, would be interested in listening to whatever information one can provide. thanks, -tom |
Arolik River Alaska (questions)
Tom Nakashima wrote: Has anyone here fished the Arolik River, Alaska? My friend and I are heading up there in July, would be interested in listening to whatever information one can provide. thanks, -tom Hey Tom, I haven't fished it, but friends of my mine. I have a DVD I can send you. brians |
Arolik River Alaska (questions)
Tom Nakashima wrote:
Has anyone here fished the Arolik River, Alaska? My friend and I are heading up there in July, would be interested in listening to whatever information one can provide. thanks, -tom By the way, if you were at the Pappa Bear booth at the show, you probably saw my buddies video. brians |
Arolik River Alaska (questions)
"briansfly" wrote in message news:a1Rzf.27584$6L1.15601@trnddc02... Tom Nakashima wrote: Has anyone here fished the Arolik River, Alaska? My friend and I are heading up there in July, would be interested in listening to whatever information one can provide. thanks, -tom Hey Tom, I haven't fished it, but friends of my mine. I have a DVD I can send you. brians Thanks, by any chance is one of your friend Jim O. from Indiana who fished with Papa Bear Adventures? I'm be in Alaska with Jim in July. -tom |
Arolik River Alaska (questions)
Tom Nakashima wrote:
"briansfly" wrote in message news:a1Rzf.27584$6L1.15601@trnddc02... Tom Nakashima wrote: Has anyone here fished the Arolik River, Alaska? My friend and I are heading up there in July, would be interested in listening to whatever information one can provide. thanks, -tom Hey Tom, I haven't fished it, but friends of my mine. I have a DVD I can send you. brians Thanks, by any chance is one of your friend Jim O. from Indiana who fished with Papa Bear Adventures? I'm be in Alaska with Jim in July. -tom Nope. These are all Ca. boys. I'm a bit curious as to why you're going so early? brians |
Arolik River Alaska (questions)
"briansfly" wrote in message news:V1Szf.17365$Zo.12947@trnddc07... Tom Nakashima wrote: "briansfly" wrote in message news:a1Rzf.27584$6L1.15601@trnddc02... Tom Nakashima wrote: Has anyone here fished the Arolik River, Alaska? My friend and I are heading up there in July, would be interested in listening to whatever information one can provide. thanks, -tom Hey Tom, I haven't fished it, but friends of my mine. I have a DVD I can send you. brians Thanks, by any chance is one of your friend Jim O. from Indiana who fished with Papa Bear Adventures? I'm be in Alaska with Jim in July. -tom Nope. These are all Ca. boys. I'm a bit curious as to why you're going so early? brians Early? Jim O went the same time last year in July made a killing on the King Salmon. The biggest he hooked was in the 50 pound range. Papa Bear Adventures....note the schedule the the Arolik. http://www.pbadventures.com/alaska-r...adventure.html -tom |
Arolik River Alaska (questions)
Tom Nakashima wrote:
"briansfly" wrote in message news:V1Szf.17365$Zo.12947@trnddc07... Tom Nakashima wrote: "briansfly" wrote in message news:a1Rzf.27584$6L1.15601@trnddc02... Tom Nakashima wrote: Has anyone here fished the Arolik River, Alaska? My friend and I are heading up there in July, would be interested in listening to whatever information one can provide. thanks, -tom Hey Tom, I haven't fished it, but friends of my mine. I have a DVD I can send you. brians Thanks, by any chance is one of your friend Jim O. from Indiana who fished with Papa Bear Adventures? I'm be in Alaska with Jim in July. -tom Nope. These are all Ca. boys. I'm a bit curious as to why you're going so early? brians Early? Jim O went the same time last year in July made a killing on the King Salmon. The biggest he hooked was in the 50 pound range. Papa Bear Adventures....note the schedule the the Arolik. http://www.pbadventures.com/alaska-r...adventure.html -tom I guess i'm a little surprised you are targeting Kings. If you want BIG fish, then I do understand why you're going in July. If you wait a little later, you'll run into a few more species of salmon. Either way, you'll have rainbows, dollies and grayling to contend with, on top of the kings. I hear it's an awesome trip. Wish I had gone when the opportunity came up. Email me if you want the DVD brians |
Arolik River Alaska (questions)
Tom Nakashima wrote:
Thanks, by any chance is one of your friend Jim O. from Indiana who fished with Papa Bear Adventures? I'm be in Alaska with Jim in July. -tom We met a Jim up at Papa Bear's last August. Same guy? Willi |
Arolik River Alaska (questions)
"Willi" wrote in message ... Tom Nakashima wrote: Thanks, by any chance is one of your friend Jim O. from Indiana who fished with Papa Bear Adventures? I'm be in Alaska with Jim in July. -tom We met a Jim up at Papa Bear's last August. Same guy? Willi Willi, Jim says he met a married couple in July who ran into Bear trouble. They were not the outdoors type and knew nothing about bears so they hung around him just about the whole time. I think the worst part of his trip. -tom |
Arolik River Alaska (questions)
"briansfly" wrote in message news:SKUzf.17389$Zo.9863@trnddc07... Tom Nakashima wrote: "briansfly" wrote in message news:V1Szf.17365$Zo.12947@trnddc07... Tom Nakashima wrote: "briansfly" wrote in message news:a1Rzf.27584$6L1.15601@trnddc02... Tom Nakashima wrote: Has anyone here fished the Arolik River, Alaska? My friend and I are heading up there in July, would be interested in listening to whatever information one can provide. thanks, -tom Hey Tom, I haven't fished it, but friends of my mine. I have a DVD I can send you. brians Thanks, by any chance is one of your friend Jim O. from Indiana who fished with Papa Bear Adventures? I'm be in Alaska with Jim in July. -tom Nope. These are all Ca. boys. I'm a bit curious as to why you're going so early? brians Early? Jim O went the same time last year in July made a killing on the King Salmon. The biggest he hooked was in the 50 pound range. Papa Bear Adventures....note the schedule the the Arolik. http://www.pbadventures.com/alaska-r...adventure.html -tom I guess i'm a little surprised you are targeting Kings. If you want BIG fish, then I do understand why you're going in July. If you wait a little later, you'll run into a few more species of salmon. Either way, you'll have rainbows, dollies and grayling to contend with, on top of the kings. I hear it's an awesome trip. Wish I had gone when the opportunity came up. Email me if you want the DVD brians Have you fished the Arolik River? If not, I'm not sure why you would even question this. Jim is even worst than I as in researching anything and everything about the Arolik. We're both backpackers and have spent a lot of time in the wilderness. Two nights ago we had a two hour conversation about the river, as I did most of the listening. I swear, he just about relived last years trip on the Arolik over the phone. I asked him about a later date, but he told me the first two weeks of July are sensational for Kings. Later on during the weeks, heading into August it starts to dry out, even the hatch changes. I trust his judgement in setting up the best times to hit the river since we're paying for the trip. -tom |
Arolik River Alaska (questions)
Tom, I've been to the Arolik the last two summers. Once in late July,
once in late August. Niether trip were bears much of an issue at all. This last trip we did in late August for Silvers, we didn't see any. But the river was high and most carcasses were washed away. I think the bears were out hunting berries. More bear action during the king run when the water is lower. The bears are hunted so they shy away from humans very quickly from my experience. Definatley take appropriate firearm(s). I've done three trips with PaPa Bear. Steve & the crew there, are great. PS this is my first time here at this forum. -Tim Bermingham Tom Nakashima wrote: Has anyone here fished the Arolik River, Alaska? My friend and I are heading up there in July, would be interested in listening to whatever information one can provide. thanks, -tom |
Arolik River Alaska (questions)
wrote in message oups.com... Tom, I've been to the Arolik the last two summers. Once in late July, once in late August. Niether trip were bears much of an issue at all. This last trip we did in late August for Silvers, we didn't see any. But the river was high and most carcasses were washed away. I think the bears were out hunting berries. More bear action during the king run when the water is lower. The bears are hunted so they shy away from humans very quickly from my experience. Definatley take appropriate firearm(s). I've done three trips with PaPa Bear. Steve & the crew there, are great. PS this is my first time here at this forum. -Tim Bermingham Tom Nakashima wrote: Has anyone here fished the Arolik River, Alaska? My friend and I are heading up there in July, would be interested in listening to whatever information one can provide. thanks, -tom Ah Tim welcome to ROFF and thank you for all your information. I met Steve at the Sportsman Show in San Mateo, CA. last weekend. Sometimes you get a feel for people, whether they're there to take your money or offer an honest trip. I got good vibes from Steve, very knowledgeable about fly-fishing Alaska. I'll be going with Jim O who fished the Arolik last year and has the river down pretty well, but as you know fishing is a hit or miss. Jim is also a law enforcement officer and did pack a peace to stop a grizzly. -tom |
Arolik River Alaska (questions)
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:37:11 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote: Jim is also a law enforcement officer and did pack a peace to stop a grizzly. I hope it is a BIG peace (sic). I've been to Alaska a couple of times (2004 and 2005), as well as Kamchatka (that has more and bigger bears), and have never come even close to having trouble with them. In 2004 I was surrounded by them - upstream, downstream, and on both banks of Margot Creek. The guide talked to them and we walked by them without any troubles. I am told, by several people, that more people die from wild dogs in Alaska than bears. If you do not startle them, i.e. come upon them by surprise, they will keep their distance. If you see one, just start talking to him/her. "Hey, bear" is a good opener. d;o) Go to: http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/Alas...humbnails.html for some pix of bears and fish taken on Moraine, Margot Creeks, and the Kamishack River, all in the Katmai area of Alaska where the bears are very prevalent. BTW, if your friends shoots a bear, he had better hope he kills it with the first shot, because otherwise he will have a very ****ed off bear to deal with. No guides that I know of carry weapons while fly fishing. Dave |
Arolik River Alaska (questions)
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:34:45 -0500, Dave LaCourse
wrote: No guides that I know of carry weapons while fly fishing. Forgot to add: In 2004, someone killed a bear on Funnel Creek. Fish and Wildlife, as well as the Alaskan State Police began a search for the person(s). If caught, they will probably spend time in jail. |
Arolik River Alaska (questions)
"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message ... On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:37:11 -0800, "Tom Nakashima" wrote: Jim is also a law enforcement officer and did pack a peace to stop a grizzly. I hope it is a BIG peace (sic). I've been to Alaska a couple of times (2004 and 2005), as well as Kamchatka (that has more and bigger bears), and have never come even close to having trouble with them. In 2004 I was surrounded by them - upstream, downstream, and on both banks of Margot Creek. The guide talked to them and we walked by them without any troubles. I am told, by several people, that more people die from wild dogs in Alaska than bears. Jim and his son were pretty lucky on the Arolik last year in that all they got were two mosquito bites. If you do not startle them, i.e. come upon them by surprise, they will keep their distance. If you see one, just start talking to him/her. "Hey, bear" is a good opener. d;o) Jim was telling me the thing to do is make lots of noise, because the Alaskan Bears fear people. That's what he did last year and the bear just took off. Thanks for the tip, if I see one I think I'll be too nervous to talk. Go to: http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/Alas...humbnails.html for some pix of bears and fish taken on Moraine, Margot Creeks, and the Kamishack River, all in the Katmai area of Alaska where the bears are very prevalent. Very nice photos Dave, I like the one of the two bears in Mock Combat. You got me pretty jazzed now, I'm really looking forward to this trip to Alaska, my first time there. BTW, if your friends shoots a bear, he had better hope he kills it with the first shot, because otherwise he will have a very ****ed off bear to deal with. No guides that I know of carry weapons while fly fishing. Do you think ****ing off a bear is worst than ****ing of a fellow ROFFian? -tom |
Arolik River Alaska (questions)
Dave LaCourse wrote:
BTW, if your friends shoots a bear, he had better hope he kills it with the first shot, because otherwise he will have a very ****ed off bear to deal with. No guides that I know of carry weapons while fly fishing. Steve at Papa Bear carries a 44 magnum. The one guided party we ran into on the Kanektok carried a shotgun. On the pack trips I've done in the Bob Marshall (grizzly country) the wranglers packed a shotgun. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
Arolik River Alaska (questions)
Dave LaCourse typed:
snip If you see one, just start talking to him/her. "Hey, bear" is a good opener. d;o) Old standbys: What's a nice bear like you. . . My friend thinks you're cute. You got the time? Untried: You look kinda grizzly. Wanna cut a rug? I'd *love* to see you all bear. What's bruin? -- TL, Tim ------------------------ http://css.sbcma.com/timj/ |
Arolik River Alaska (questions)
Dave LaCourse wrote:
... No guides that I know of carry weapons while fly fishing. No guides that I know of in the Absaroka-Beartooth Wilderness would venture out without a shotgun. The weapon of choice was a 12 gauge loaded with alternating shells of 00 buckshot and deer slugs. Don't leave camp without it. -- Ken Fortenberry |
Arolik River Alaska (questions)
"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message ... On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:34:45 -0500, Dave LaCourse wrote: No guides that I know of carry weapons while fly fishing. Forgot to add: In 2004, someone killed a bear on Funnel Creek. Fish and Wildlife, as well as the Alaskan State Police began a search for the person(s). If caught, they will probably spend time in jail. Think I rather get eaten by a bear then reamed in an Alaskan jail cell, heard the state had the greatest Male to Female ratio. Better call Jim to pack the hollow points and a picnic basket. -tom |
Arolik River Alaska (questions)
"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message ... ...Do you think ****ing off a bear is worst than ****ing of a fellow ROFFian? Hm...... Typically, a bear will only maul you once......and (assuming you live through it) you've got a pretty good idea of what's been done to you. Wolfgang |
Arolik River Alaska (questions)
Wolfgang typed:
"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message ... ...Do you think ****ing off a bear is worst than ****ing of a fellow ROFFian? Hm...... Typically, a bear will only maul you once......and (assuming you live through it) you've got a pretty good idea of what's been done to you. Now THAT'S funny. -- TL, Tim who has lived through the roffian mauling on more than one occasion. ------------------------ http://css.sbcma.com/timj/ |
Arolik River Alaska (questions)
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:54:38 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote: Do you think ****ing off a bear is worst than ****ing of a fellow ROFFian? d;o) I have made a science of ****ing off fellow roffians. 'Tis a sport, dontchaknow? d;o) |
Arolik River Alaska (questions)
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:04:30 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: No guides that I know of in the Absaroka-Beartooth Wilderness would venture out without a shotgun. The weapon of choice was a 12 gauge loaded with alternating shells of 00 buckshot and deer slugs. Don't leave camp without it. The bears I've seen in Alaska (100+ in 04, and about 80 last year) are used to seeing humans. Most were juveniles (3-4 years old). The guides even scared a sow and her 3 cubs off of a sand bar island that we used for a rest/meal stop on the Moraine. This year, a lard ass male came within 30 feet of me and walked past without giving me a nod or a how-do-you-do. He weighed in at about 700 pounds. Big ass sob. No juvie there. The lodge that I stay at has never had a bear incident in all the years they have been there. The thickest I have seen them was on Margot Creek at the beginning of the Valley of 10,000 Smokes. Almost every time I caught a rainbow or dolly, a bear would come and take over the hole. They were after the Sockeye who were on the spawn. All spawning salmon are prey for the Alaskan Brown. Silver, Chum, Kings, Sockey, Humpies are all consumed during their spawn. They eat only the skin, brain, and sex organs during the summer, but as the fall begins to set in, they eat the entire fish. Dave |
Arolik River Alaska (questions)
Tom Nakashima wrote:
"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message ... On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:34:45 -0500, Dave LaCourse wrote: No guides that I know of carry weapons while fly fishing. Forgot to add: In 2004, someone killed a bear on Funnel Creek. Fish and Wildlife, as well as the Alaskan State Police began a search for the person(s). If caught, they will probably spend time in jail. Think I rather get eaten by a bear then reamed in an Alaskan jail cell, heard the state had the greatest Male to Female ratio. Better call Jim to pack the hollow points and a picnic basket. -tom I think that there's a BIG difference in how the grizzlies act depending on whether or not they are in an area that gets hunted. In areas where they aren't hunted, they aren't afraid of people and in areas where they are hunted, they're likely to be afraid of people. Before I went on our float last year on the Kanektok, I was troubled by the images I had seen on TV, in movies, magazines, etc. that commonly show Grizzlies in close proximity to anglers. I thought I would be comfortable dealing with them during the day but felt that every noise I heard at night would freak me out and keep me awake. I brought along earplugs for that reason. Although we saw LOTS of fresh bear sign at virtually every place we stopped to fish, the only bear we saw on our float last year ran off as soon as it saw us. The bears in the area of the Kanektok avoided contact with people. The area where Dave saw all the bears is an area that isn't hunted. The Arolik area is hunted both by natives and licensed hunters. Willi |
Arolik River Alaska (questions)
"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message ... On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:04:30 GMT, Ken Fortenberry The bears I've seen in Alaska (100+ in 04, and about 80 last year) are used to seeing humans. Most were juveniles (3-4 years old). The guides even scared a sow and her 3 cubs off of a sand bar island that we used for a rest/meal stop on the Moraine. This year, a lard ass male came within 30 feet of me and walked past without giving me a nod or a how-do-you-do. He weighed in at about 700 pounds. Big ass sob. No juvie there. The lodge that I stay at has never had a bear incident in all the years they have been there. Other than the fact that bear are generally afraid of humans, they have plenty to eat in the river. If they didn't have the fish to eat, I personally wouldn't be so cavalier about fishing next to a 700 lb. brown bear. YMMV, JT |
Arolik River Alaska (questions)
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:51:25 -0800, "Jeff Taylor"
wrote: If they didn't have the fish to eat, I personally wouldn't be so cavalier about fishing next to a 700 lb. brown bear. Believe me, I was not cavalier with *any* of the hundreds of bears I saw. The big male that I spoke of was across the river from us, saw that we were catching silvers (BIG silvers fresh from the sea, with green backs) and swam across to investigate. As he came toward us, we talked to him and retreated up the bank. The last thing you want to do, btw, is to panic and run. That could set them off, and you'll lose. Talk to them, give way and let them pass (or fish). There have been very few bear/angler incidents where the angler was attacked. MMAV Dave |
Arolik River Alaska (questions)
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:04:54 -0500, Dave LaCourse
wrote: There have been very few bear/angler incidents where the angler was attacked. How many where the bear was attacked? |
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Arolik River Alaska (questions)
"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message ... On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:51:25 -0800, "Jeff Taylor" wrote: If they didn't have the fish to eat, I personally wouldn't be so cavalier about fishing next to a 700 lb. brown bear. Believe me, I was not cavalier with *any* of the hundreds of bears I saw. The big male that I spoke of was across the river from us, saw that we were catching silvers (BIG silvers fresh from the sea, with green backs) and swam across to investigate. As he came toward us, we talked to him and retreated up the bank. I kind of figured that was the case, however in you posts, you make is sound like a walk in the park when you were surrounded by bears... and you also didn't mention that you were moving away from the 700 lber when he walked within 30 ft. of you... So does mine, JT |
Arolik River Alaska (questions)
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:15:04 -0800, "Jeff Taylor"
wrote: So does mine, d;o) |
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