Fluorocarbon leaders, anyone use them?
 

I've never used them because of price, but have been reading some great
advantages of fluorocarbon leaders. Anyone use them, are they worth paying
the extra?
-tom

Fluorocarbon leaders, anyone use them?
 

Tom Nakashima typed:
I've never used them because of price, but have been reading some
great advantages of fluorocarbon leaders. Anyone use them, are they
worth paying the extra?

I can't vouch for the "worth" part, but I bought a few while fishing the
Batten Kill because my host recommended them. I caught no fish that day, but
place the blame elsewhere. The leader did appear to be more "invisible" than
the usual nylon I use, so I can see where it may make a difference in
certain crystal-clear water situations.
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj/

Fluorocarbon leaders, anyone use them?
 

Tom Nakashima wrote:
I've never used them because of price, but have been reading some great
advantages of fluorocarbon leaders. Anyone use them, are they worth paying
the extra?

I've only used them in "technical" nymphing situations. otherwise I
stay away.

Fluorocarbon leaders, anyone use them?
 

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 06:27:15 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:

I've never used them because of price, but have been reading some great
advantages of fluorocarbon leaders. Anyone use them, are they worth paying
the extra?
-tom


Expensive? Yes. Worth it? I believe so. I use only fc
leaders/tippets when nymphing, especially if I am using very small (20
- 26) nymphs. I have found that it is much more rugged than nylon
leaders, especially when constantly being rubbed against underwater
rocks/structure.

While some complain about the stiffness of the material, especially
when used with dry flies, I have no problems. Because fc sinks, I
apply a floatant to the tippet portion up to about six inches from
the fly.

I swear by the stuff!

Fluorocarbon leaders, anyone use them?
 

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 06:27:15 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:

I've never used them because of price, but have been reading some great
advantages of fluorocarbon leaders. Anyone use them, are they worth
paying
the extra?
-tom


Expensive? Yes. Worth it? I believe so. I use only fc
leaders/tippets when nymphing, especially if I am using very small (20
- 26) nymphs. I have found that it is much more rugged than nylon
leaders, especially when constantly being rubbed against underwater
rocks/structure.

While some complain about the stiffness of the material, especially
when used with dry flies, I have no problems. Because fc sinks, I
apply a floatant to the tippet portion up to about six inches from
the fly.

I swear by the stuff!



Thanks for the report, think I'll give them a try. Some have complained
about tying a good knot with FC, any tips (applied solutions) when
connecting lines?
-tom

Fluorocarbon leaders only
 

We only carry FC knotless tapered leaders now............in 12 packs @ only
$99USD.

Our customers realized that they we no longer able to catch fish of any
kind, any place with copolymer monofilament leaders.

January 25, 2016

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA, USA

Web site: www.kiene.com


"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
...

I've never used them because of price, but have been reading some great
advantages of fluorocarbon leaders. Anyone use them, are they worth
paying the extra?
-tom

Fluorocarbon leaders, anyone use them?
 

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:11:22 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:

Thanks for the report, think I'll give them a try. Some have complained
about tying a good knot with FC, any tips (applied solutions) when
connecting lines?

That complaint has been argued here on roff several times. I haven't
experienced any trouble with knots, even when using a nylon leader and
a fc tippet. I generally use a double surgeon's knot at the
leader/tippet section, and a simple clinch knot at the fly.

BTW, I use Orvis leaders and tippet. That may make a difference.

Dave

Fluorocarbon leaders, anyone use them?
 

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:11:22 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:

Thanks for the report, think I'll give them a try. Some have complained
about tying a good knot with FC, any tips (applied solutions) when
connecting lines?

That complaint has been argued here on roff several times. I haven't
experienced any trouble with knots, even when using a nylon leader and
a fc tippet. I generally use a double surgeon's knot at the
leader/tippet section, and a simple clinch knot at the fly.

BTW, I use Orvis leaders and tippet. That may make a difference.

Dave


Thanks for the tip Dave, there's an Orvis shop 3 miles away from me, I'll
check them out this week.
-tom

Fluorocarbon leaders only
 

Expensive, I'll have to research a little more.
-tom

"Bill Kiene" wrote in message
et...
We only carry FC knotless tapered leaders now............in 12 packs @
only $99USD.

Our customers realized that they we no longer able to catch fish of any
kind, any place with copolymer monofilament leaders.

January 25, 2016

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA, USA

Web site: www.kiene.com


"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
...

I've never used them because of price, but have been reading some great
advantages of fluorocarbon leaders. Anyone use them, are they worth
paying the extra?
-tom

Fluorocarbon leaders only
 

Bill Kiene wrote:
We only carry FC knotless tapered leaders now............in 12 packs @ only
$99USD.

Our customers realized that they we no longer able to catch fish of any
kind, any place with copolymer monofilament leaders.

January 25, 2016

Fluorocarbon leaders are a means to separate gullible, desperate
flyfishermen from the contents of their wallets.

There MAY be a case for fluorocarbon tippet, but I'm skeptical. I've
compared FC and ordinary mono in water, and I don't see any difference.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
. com...
Tom Nakashima wrote:
Expensive, I'll have to research a little more.

Bill was making a joke. Check the date.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Ok, got me sleeping on that one Ken, 2016.
I haven't priced FC leaders yet.
-tom

Fluorocarbon leaders only
 

"Bill Kiene" wrote in
et:

We only carry FC knotless tapered leaders now............in 12 packs @
only $99USD.

Our customers realized that they we no longer able to catch fish of
any kind, any place with copolymer monofilament leaders.

January 25, 2016


What would the advantage be over a FC tippet?


--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

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"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
. 1.4...
"Bill Kiene" wrote in
et:

We only carry FC knotless tapered leaders now............in 12 packs @
only $99USD.

Our customers realized that they we no longer able to catch fish of
any kind, any place with copolymer monofilament leaders.

January 25, 2016


What would the advantage be over a FC tippet?


--
Scott
Reverse name to reply


I have a feeling Ken will tell you they're slightly more expensive.
-tom

Fluorocarbon leaders only
 

Tom Nakashima wrote:
Expensive, I'll have to research a little more.

Bill was making a joke. Check the date.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Fluorocarbon leaders only
 

rw wrote:


There MAY be a case for fluorocarbon tippet, but I'm skeptical. I've
compared FC and ordinary mono in water, and I don't see any difference.


Like I said, I think they're great for nymphing in certain situations
but that's not my reason for posting.

I don't care that YOU don't see anydifference, the question is.....do
THE FISH *see* a difference?

Fluorocarbon leaders only
 

Ken Fortenberry wrote in news:jjQBf.27910
:

Scott Seidman wrote:
"Bill Kiene" wrote in
et:

We only carry FC knotless tapered leaders now............in 12 packs
@
only $99USD.

Our customers realized that they we no longer able to catch fish of
any kind, any place with copolymer monofilament leaders.

January 25, 2016


What would the advantage be over a FC tippet?

Sheesh, Bill finally loosens up a little bit and posts a funny
and it flies over some heads so fast it leaves scorch marks.


Right you are!! Man, how did I miss that??

I had a TA this semester, who emailed me something. Later, when he was
talking about the message, I realized that I just didn't even see the
part he was referring to. We arrived at an arrangement by which anything
important got its own message, or appeared in the first two sentences.

For some reason, my wife leaves long voicemails. At this point, she
knows that if I don't think the message is important after about 15
seconds, I just delete it, with the rest unheard.

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

Fluorocarbon leaders, anyone use them?
 

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:29:10 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:

Thanks for the tip Dave, there's an Orvis shop 3 miles away from me, I'll
check them out this week.

Bring the title to your car. d;o)

Fluorocarbon leaders only
 

Scott Seidman wrote:
"Bill Kiene" wrote in
et:

We only carry FC knotless tapered leaders now............in 12 packs @
only $99USD.

Our customers realized that they we no longer able to catch fish of
any kind, any place with copolymer monofilament leaders.

January 25, 2016


What would the advantage be over a FC tippet?

Sheesh, Bill finally loosens up a little bit and posts a funny
and it flies over some heads so fast it leaves scorch marks.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Fluorocarbon leaders only
 

Wayne Knight wrote:
rw wrote:


There MAY be a case for fluorocarbon tippet, but I'm skeptical. I've
compared FC and ordinary mono in water, and I don't see any difference.



Like I said, I think they're great for nymphing in certain situations
but that's not my reason for posting.

I don't care that YOU don't see anydifference, the question is.....do
THE FISH *see* a difference?

That's precisely right, Wayne. Unfortunately, I don't see like a fish,
so I have to go with what I've got.

I have the strong suspicion that people who swear by FC have fallen for
a seductive fallacy: Cum Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc, or "With this, therefore
because of this."

Maybe the fishing was slow, so they tried changing tactics, changing
flies, and finally changing to FC. Suddenly, the fishing got hot, but it
wasn't due to the FC. Sometimes the fishing just gets hot. But it's
fixed in their minds that the FC was the cause, and the selling point
about the index of refraction is at least plausible.

It would be possible to test the effectiveness of FC objectively, with
blind tests in actual fishing conditions. It would be time consuming
because you'd need lots of trials to make a confident conclusion. AFAIK,
it's never been done.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Fluorocarbon leaders only
 

On 1/25/06 2:23 PM, in article
, "Scott Seidman"
wrote:

Ken Fortenberry wrote in news:jjQBf.27910
:

Scott Seidman wrote:
"Bill Kiene" wrote in
et:

We only carry FC knotless tapered leaders now............in 12 packs
@
only $99USD.

Our customers realized that they we no longer able to catch fish of
any kind, any place with copolymer monofilament leaders.

January 25, 2016


What would the advantage be over a FC tippet?

Sheesh, Bill finally loosens up a little bit and posts a funny
and it flies over some heads so fast it leaves scorch marks.


Right you

I'm sorry, Scott. Were you saying something?

:-)

Bill

Fluorocarbon leaders only
 

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:28:15 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Scott Seidman wrote:
"Bill Kiene" wrote in
et:

We only carry FC knotless tapered leaders now............in 12 packs @
only $99USD.

Our customers realized that they we no longer able to catch fish of
any kind, any place with copolymer monofilament leaders.

January 25, 2016


What would the advantage be over a FC tippet?

Sheesh, Bill finally loosens up a little bit and posts a funny
and it flies over some heads so fast it leaves scorch marks.

Clearly, this group has *way* too much disposable income...

/daytripper (hoping to become similarly afflicted some day ;-)

Fluorocarbon leaders, anyone use them?
 

Tom Nakashima wrote:
I've never used them because of price, but have been reading some
great advantages of fluorocarbon leaders. Anyone use them, are
they worth paying the extra?
-tom

Before using it you might not be aware of the environmental issues.
This is an extract from this article
http://www.utahonthefly.com/articles/fluoro.html. Whether it is true
or not I have no idea, I always use nylon monofilament anyway.

"Although there is no known biodegradable timetable for these products
when intentionally or accidentally discarded within a natural
environment, researchers have stated that it far surpasses
monofilaments longevity by 100's to 1000's of years. On the flip side,
monofilament lines degrade by 40% when exposed to just 100 hrs. of
ultra violet rays and even more rapidly when exposed to water since
monofilaments do absorb water."

--


Don`t Worry, Be Happy

Sandy
--

E-Mail:-
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Scott Seidman typed:
snip
For some reason, my wife leaves long voicemails. At this point, she
knows that if I don't think the message is important after about 15
seconds, I just delete it, with the rest unheard.

and you're still married? ;-)

My wife and I have discussed this at length. She would ask me to go talk to
one of our kids about something they did wrong and I'd be back in a few
minutes. She didn't understand how I could have had any impact with a
subject that would have been, for her, a half-hour lecture. My talks usually
went something like:

"Did you do that?"
"Yes."
"Do you think that was a smart thing to do?
"No."
"Okay then. Don't do it again. You're grounded"

I always figured people's (especially kids) attention spans are short, and
it was best to get to the point.
--
TL,
Tim
(not that anyone read all of that.)
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj/

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"Tim J." wrote in news:11tfnpshsvk2q36
@news.supernews.com:

and you're still married? ;-)

I'm pretty sure that's the case, but maybe there's some pertinent info to
the contrary towards the end of one of these long messages.

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

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In article . net, rw
wrote:

Fluorocarbon leaders are a means to separate gullible, desperate
flyfishermen from the contents of their wallets.

Agreed. Like a lot of fly fishing gear. But this one is too much for
me.

I need a good reason for changing (from Maxima) and so far, in spite of
experiments, I haven't found one

Laz`arus

Fluorocarbon leaders, anyone use them?
 

Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 06:27:15 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:


I've never used them because of price, but have been reading some great
advantages of fluorocarbon leaders. Anyone use them, are they worth paying
the extra?
-tom



Expensive? Yes. Worth it? I believe so. I use only fc
leaders/tippets when nymphing, especially if I am using very small (20
- 26) nymphs. I have found that it is much more rugged than nylon
leaders, especially when constantly being rubbed against underwater
rocks/structure.

While some complain about the stiffness of the material, especially
when used with dry flies, I have no problems. Because fc sinks, I
apply a floatant to the tippet portion up to about six inches from
the fly.

I swear by the stuff!





I use floro when I'm going to be doing alot of nymphing but I only use
it as tippet material. I like to use a long length of tippet, about six
or seven feet tied to a very short leader, 2 to 3 feet, of standard mono.

I find it sinks easier than mono and that means you can fish deeper with
less weight. Because of that, I also especially like it for tying a
dropper off a dry.

Willi

Fluorocarbon leaders only
 

"rw" wrote in message
ink.net...
Wayne Knight wrote:
rw wrote:


There MAY be a case for fluorocarbon tippet, but I'm skeptical. I've
compared FC and ordinary mono in water, and I don't see any difference.



Like I said, I think they're great for nymphing in certain situations
but that's not my reason for posting.

I don't care that YOU don't see anydifference, the question is.....do
THE FISH *see* a difference?

That's precisely right, Wayne. Unfortunately, I don't see like a fish, so
I have to go with what I've got.

I have the strong suspicion that people who swear by FC have fallen for a
seductive fallacy: Cum Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc, or "With this, therefore
because of this."

Maybe the fishing was slow, so they tried changing tactics, changing
flies, and finally changing to FC. Suddenly, the fishing got hot, but it
wasn't due to the FC. Sometimes the fishing just gets hot. But it's fixed
in their minds that the FC was the cause, and the selling point about the
index of refraction is at least plausible.

It would be possible to test the effectiveness of FC objectively, with
blind tests in actual fishing conditions. It would be time consuming
because you'd need lots of trials to make a confident conclusion. AFAIK,
it's never been done.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Done lots of time in sal****er. Days when you have to have FC leader to get
a tuna to bite. Same rig next to you with mono leader, no bites.

Fluorocarbon leaders, anyone use them?
 

Tom I've never used them because of price, but have been reading some
Tom great advantages of fluorocarbon leaders. Anyone use them, are
Tom they worth paying the extra?

I have stayed away from them because from what I have heard it takes
ages for fluorocarbon to decompose. I just like rivers and fish too
much to use that kind of stuff.

--
Jarmo Hurri

Commercial email countermeasures included in header email
address. Remove all garbage from header email address when replying,
or just use .

Fluorocarbon leaders, anyone use them?
 

We don't push FC tippet or leaders on anyone but many of the top fly fishers
I know are using it including some of the cheapest guys I know.

FC tippet material is selling more every year.

One thing I like about it is the fact that it does not go bad over time so I
don't have to throw my tippet material away anymore.

It sinks faster than regular mono.

It has abrasion resistant qualities.

It does not refract light like regular mono.

As far as leaders go we don't sell many because most just worry about the
tippet part of the leader system.

In clear water many are using FC tippet material now.

Our most popular brands are Rio 'FluroFlex Plus' and Seagar 'Grand Max'.

If you never buy any it does not mean you are a bad person.

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA, USA

Web site: www.kiene.com


"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
...

I've never used them because of price, but have been reading some great
advantages of fluorocarbon leaders. Anyone use them, are they worth
paying the extra?
-tom

Fluorocarbon leaders, anyone use them?
 

"Bill Kiene" wrote in message
om...
We don't push FC tippet or leaders on anyone but many of the top fly
fishers I know are using it including some of the cheapest guys I know.

FC tippet material is selling more every year.

One thing I like about it is the fact that it does not go bad over time so
I don't have to throw my tippet material away anymore.

It sinks faster than regular mono.

It has abrasion resistant qualities.

It does not refract light like regular mono.

As far as leaders go we don't sell many because most just worry about the
tippet part of the leader system.

In clear water many are using FC tippet material now.

Our most popular brands are Rio 'FluroFlex Plus' and Seagar 'Grand Max'.

If you never buy any it does not mean you are a bad person.

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA, USA

Web site: www.kiene.com


"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
...

I've never used them because of price, but have been reading some great
advantages of fluorocarbon leaders. Anyone use them, are they worth
paying the extra?
-tom


Thanks for the info, I may just purchase the FC tippet material.
-tom

Fluorocarbon leaders only
 

"rw" wrote


I have the strong suspicion that people who swear by FC have fallen for a
seductive fallacy: Cum Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc, or "With this, therefore
because of this."

Maybe the fishing was slow, so they tried changing tactics, changing
flies, and finally changing to FC. Suddenly, the fishing got hot, but it
wasn't due to the FC. Sometimes the fishing just gets hot. But it's fixed
in their minds that the FC was the cause, and the selling point about the
index of refraction is at least plausible.

It would be possible to test the effectiveness of FC objectively, with
blind tests in actual fishing conditions. It would be time consuming
because you'd need lots of trials to make a confident conclusion. AFAIK,
it's never been done.



I did test it, semi-scientifically .... at Davis Lake, Ca.

I changed at regular intervals, 1/2 hour as I remember, maybe an hour, over
several days ( nearly a week ) of fishing. This was all sub-surface work
where FC should have it's biggest advantage. This was damsel time and I
have a pattern of my own that I have great confidence in, so I fished the
same pattern constantly, just the tippet was changed.

At the end of the time, there was NO significant difference in catch rate
between FC and mono. I DID catch one or two fish more with FC ( over
several day period ), BUT, that was clearly because FC happened ( pure
luck ) to be on the time a big, hungry, school of fish worked near me and
you couldn't keep em off the hook for a few minutes. I've had the exact
same experience with mono, on other trips, and I'm certain the mono would
have ended up with the 'one or two' edge if it had happened to be on at that
special period.

My buddy, that runs a fly shop, says he believes that fly fishers are
'looking for a magic bullet" and long for their fishing ability to be in
proportion to their buying power, or, at least, long to be able to buy
fishing ability. I think he is right, if FC was cheaper I bet it would
have LESS "true believers" running around. If I ran a shop, I'd be sorely
tempted to greatly raise the prices on a variety of 'secret products,
available only here' to increase my ability to "separate gullible, desperate
flyfishermen from the contents of their wallets." .... hell they seem to
actually enjoy the separation



That said, I don't nymph enough to comment, but I CAN see an advantage to
abrasion resistence, in that use.

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rw wrote:

It would be possible to test the effectiveness of FC objectively, with
blind tests in actual fishing conditions. It would be time consuming
because you'd need lots of trials to make a confident conclusion. AFAIK,
it's never been done.



Personally, I'm glad that little of fly fishing comes down to that type
of objectivity. I don't think I'd enjoy it very much if that was the case.

Willi

Fluorocarbon leaders, anyone use them?
 

Bill Kiene wrote:
We don't push FC tippet or leaders on anyone but many of the top fly fishers
I know are using it including some of the cheapest guys I know.

FC tippet material is selling more every year.

One thing I like about it is the fact that it does not go bad over time so I
don't have to throw my tippet material away anymore.

It sinks faster than regular mono.

It has abrasion resistant qualities.

It does not refract light like regular mono.

As far as leaders go we don't sell many because most just worry about the
tippet part of the leader system.

In clear water many are using FC tippet material now.

Our most popular brands are Rio 'FluroFlex Plus' and Seagar 'Grand Max'.

If you never buy any it does not mean you are a bad person.



But maybe it does make one evil????

Willi

Fluorocarbon leaders, anyone use them?
 

"Willi" wrote in message

But maybe it does make one evil????


sure, there's that, but it's no big thing......evil is trendy these days.

Tom

Fluorocarbon leaders, anyone use them?
 

Thomas Littleton wrote:
"Willi" wrote in message


But maybe it does make one evil????



sure, there's that, but it's no big thing......evil is trendy these days.

Tom




I always was a wild and trendy guy!

Willi

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"Larry L" wrote in message
...

SNIP
My buddy, that runs a fly shop, says he believes that fly fishers are
'looking for a magic bullet" and long for their fishing ability to be in
proportion to their buying power, or, at least, long to be able to buy
fishing ability. SNIP

That's what keeps the manufacturers afloat. As long as they keep thinking up
stuff, good or bad doesn't matter, fishermen will buy it. I've been
flyfishing for over 50 years and there have been only a very few
improvements in equipment/materials, but there have been tens of thousands
of "new and improved" stuff put on the market. And, yes, I've been sucked
into buying a few more than I'm ready to admit to.

Gene

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Gene Cottrell wrote:

That's what keeps the manufacturers afloat. As long as they keep thinking up
stuff, good or bad doesn't matter, fishermen will buy it. I've been
flyfishing for over 50 years and there have been only a very few
improvements in equipment/materials, but there have been tens of thousands
of "new and improved" stuff put on the market. And, yes, I've been sucked
into buying a few more than I'm ready to admit to.

Gene



I agree with you that there is an industry to support and that there has
been alot of junk pawned off on us but there are a number of things that
have significantly improved in the last 50 years. IMO, tippet material
is probably #1, Waders are number 2 - 50 years ago waders SUCKED!, a
cheap rod today casts better than the most expensive of 50 years ago (I
know the bamboo/glass guys will disagree), Hooks are better quality, Dry
fly hackles have improved GREATLY, raingear is better and sporting
clothing as a whole is better, I'm sure I'm forgetting a number of
things....

Willi

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Willi wrote:
rw wrote:

It would be possible to test the effectiveness of FC objectively, with
blind tests in actual fishing conditions. It would be time consuming
because you'd need lots of trials to make a confident conclusion.
AFAIK, it's never been done.



Personally, I'm glad that little of fly fishing comes down to that type
of objectivity. I don't think I'd enjoy it very much if that was the case.

I agree that there are many things about flyfishing that can't be
measured objectively, but the effectiveness of FC isn't one of them.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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"Gene Cottrell" wrote in message
...


t. And, yes, I've been sucked
into buying a few more than I'm ready to admit to.



Since I've fallen victim to hype for nearly every product introduced since
1971, I understand the "Maybe I can buy some skill." thing from watching
myself, not just others. :-(

At this point, I giggle when I see a new 'atomic submarine material rod that
casts itself" each, and EVERY, new catalog, but that is after collecting a
closet full of rods and still being a crappy caster :-(

I just got a catalog with new dubbing "blended to perfectly to match the
important Glossosoma caddis" and it's all I can do to force myself away from
my credit card and the phone ... Glossosoma, btw are black and I fish them
every year successfully with plain old black dubbing, but maybe, just maybe
"special blended black" would catch more ????? Be strong Larry ... drop
that credit card ... DROP IT !!

But I agree with Willi, many things are really greatly improved, although
his ranking is wrong G .... I'd rather go back to old "breaks when you
look at it wrong" tippet, than back to old "weigh 24 pounds and you're still
wet" waders.

I make a lot of noise about stupid spending on fly fishing, but in reality
shopping and trying new things is part of the fun.

However, I have a STRONG personal distaste for the 'beautiful person
syndrome" that is so very common and getting more so in our culture. They
just divided some rice land, one property away from me, into 40 acre pieces
and are building some of those obscene super sized homes common now on them.
The new owners are busy as hell trying to outdo each other parking $250,000
motor homes and Hummers next to them, building security fences and ponds
that are going to breed mosquitoes, lots of mosquitoes ( we had two horses
on this 'block' with West Nile last summer) but ponds clearly co$t to build,
so we need a pond.

Fly fishers ( and the number, thankfully, is decreasing from a high a few
years back ) that are in the sport, mainly, to spend and be seen wearing the
right gear, carrying the right rod and being told to "set the hook" by the
right fish pimp, make me sick to my stomach. But, they are part of the
same, spiritually bankrupt, phenomenon as the super sized houses ( I know a
guy that has a 10,000 square foot TWO bedroom home ... when he gave me the
tour, all I could say was "it's not too cozy is it?" ( I've never been
invited back G ) We have an entire culture that has been raised on TV
and subjected to constant bombardment from the ADman ... they have come to
believe, honestly believe, "You are what you own." and sadly, many that I
meet really don't have any more depth, as humans, than their bank account.


um, how did I get here? .... oh, yeah ... tippet

Fluorocarbon leaders only
 

"Larry L" wrote in message
...

...I've never been invited back G...

No kidding? You insult them to their faces, as well as behind their backs,
you threaten to beat them up, shoot, bludgeon or otherwise kill their dogs,
use pepper spray on those dogs, lecture them on responsibility, threaten
citizens arrest, promise citations, threaten lawsuits, AND are prepared to
go further.......and they STILL don't invite you back!?!? :(

Tsk, tsk.

Wolfgang
who, were he ever to find himself in a similar position, would be sorely
tempted to shorten his christmas card mailing list.