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Since you own a fly shop I thought you might be a good person to ask.
I hope you don't mind the intrusion. I have a 9' four piece Winston
Ibis that came with the cordura rod tube. Together with the rod and
tube it weighs in around 19 oz. I am looking to do some long
backpacking trips this summer (Muir Trail) and am trying to find a
lighter rod tube but one that still has rigid sides. Do you know of
any rigid side tubes (aluminium or other material) 2 inch diameter by
30 inches long or so that weigh in less than 8 to 10 oz.?

Thanks for any feedback.

Allyn

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Old Grey wrote:
Since you own a fly shop I thought you might be a good person to ask.
I hope you don't mind the intrusion. I have a 9' four piece Winston
Ibis that came with the cordura rod tube. Together with the rod and
tube it weighs in around 19 oz. I am looking to do some long
backpacking trips this summer (Muir Trail) and am trying to find a
lighter rod tube but one that still has rigid sides. Do you know of
any rigid side tubes (aluminium or other material) 2 inch diameter by
30 inches long or so that weigh in less than 8 to 10 oz.?

Thanks for any feedback.

If you're backpacking and want to minimize weight, you don't really need
a rod tube, especially with 4-piece. The sections are only 27". Just
lash them (in a rod sock) to your pack frame.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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rw wrote:
Old Grey wrote:
Since you own a fly shop I thought you might be a good person to ask.
I hope you don't mind the intrusion. I have a 9' four piece Winston
Ibis that came with the cordura rod tube. Together with the rod and
tube it weighs in around 19 oz. I am looking to do some long
backpacking trips this summer (Muir Trail) and am trying to find a
lighter rod tube but one that still has rigid sides. Do you know of
any rigid side tubes (aluminium or other material) 2 inch diameter by
30 inches long or so that weigh in less than 8 to 10 oz.?

Thanks for any feedback.

If you're backpacking and want to minimize weight, you don't really need
a rod tube, especially with 4-piece. The sections are only 27". Just
lash them (in a rod sock) to your pack frame.

I disagree. I'd never try to lash a rod sock full of fly rod
to my pack and expect it to survive the trip. We just had this
discussion a few weeks ago. Me and Larry L or maybe JR, one of
the western guys I've never met at any rate, were bemoaning the
disappearance of the Orvis plastic half-tube. If I could find
those again I'd buy two, one for 3 piece rods and one for 4 piece.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Ken Fortenberry wrote:

I disagree. I'd never try to lash a rod sock full of fly rod
to my pack and expect it to survive the trip.

That's your privilege -- to disagree. If you're aren't planning on
falling off any cliffs, and if you can take a reasonable degree of care
with your stuff, a rod tube is just extra weight. 10 oz is a LOT to save
on a backpacking trip.

If I were doubtful about my ability to take care of my stuff and not to
fall off cliffs, however, I might not take an overpriced Winston.

--
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Old Grey wrote:
Since you own a fly shop I thought you might be a good person to ask.
I hope you don't mind the intrusion. I have a 9' four piece Winston
Ibis that came with the cordura rod tube. Together with the rod and
tube it weighs in around 19 oz. I am looking to do some long
backpacking trips this summer (Muir Trail) and am trying to find a
lighter rod tube but one that still has rigid sides. Do you know of
any rigid side tubes (aluminium or other material) 2 inch diameter by
30 inches long or so that weigh in less than 8 to 10 oz.?

Thanks for any feedback.

Allyn

If you are a little bit handy you might want to just make one. See
http://www.peninsulaflyfishers.org/T...eBackpack.html

Mike McGuire

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"Mike McGuire" wrote in message
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Old Grey wrote:
Since you own a fly shop I thought you might be a good person to ask.
I hope you don't mind the intrusion. I have a 9' four piece Winston
Ibis that came with the cordura rod tube. Together with the rod and
tube it weighs in around 19 oz. I am looking to do some long
backpacking trips this summer (Muir Trail) and am trying to find a
lighter rod tube but one that still has rigid sides. Do you know of
any rigid side tubes (aluminium or other material) 2 inch diameter by
30 inches long or so that weigh in less than 8 to 10 oz.?

Thanks for any feedback.

Allyn

If you are a little bit handy you might want to just make one. See
http://www.peninsulaflyfishers.org/T...eBackpack.html

Mike McGuire

Wow, that seems unnecessarily complex. I built my fly rod tube out of PVC,
and use 'male' endcaps that have little rubber gaskets to make them fit
snugly. They make several dozen types of endcaps, so it wouldn't be hard to
find one that did the job.

To make the padding that fits inside the endcap, I just laid a peice of
ensolite on a hard floor, put the endcap on it, and stepped on it, cutting a
round piece of ensolite like a cookiecutter would, and pressed them into the
endcap. Works perfectly, and the endcaps fit so snugly that they never pop
off accidentally, even on flights.

--riverman

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riverman wrote:
"Mike McGuire" wrote in message
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Old Grey wrote:

Since you own a fly shop I thought you might be a good person to ask.
I hope you don't mind the intrusion. I have a 9' four piece Winston
Ibis that came with the cordura rod tube. Together with the rod and
tube it weighs in around 19 oz. I am looking to do some long
backpacking trips this summer (Muir Trail) and am trying to find a
lighter rod tube but one that still has rigid sides. Do you know of
any rigid side tubes (aluminium or other material) 2 inch diameter by
30 inches long or so that weigh in less than 8 to 10 oz.?

Thanks for any feedback.

Allyn

If you are a little bit handy you might want to just make one. See
http://www.peninsulaflyfishers.org/T...eBackpack.html

Mike McGuire


Wow, that seems unnecessarily complex. I built my fly rod tube out of PVC,
and use 'male' endcaps that have little rubber gaskets to make them fit
snugly. They make several dozen types of endcaps, so it wouldn't be hard to
find one that did the job.

PVC is heavy.

The lightest commonly available rod tubes are made with aluminum. Sage
has great aluminum rod tubes.

You can make lighter ones from carbon fiber. Or titanium.

It's not worth it for backpacking. Rod tubes are great for keeping the
air-cargo troglodytes from destroying your stuff, but if you take some
minimally reasonably care of your rod, you don't need one when backpacking.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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riverman wrote:
"Mike McGuire" wrote in message
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Old Grey wrote:

Since you own a fly shop I thought you might be a good person to ask.
I hope you don't mind the intrusion. I have a 9' four piece Winston
Ibis that came with the cordura rod tube. Together with the rod and
tube it weighs in around 19 oz. I am looking to do some long
backpacking trips this summer (Muir Trail) and am trying to find a
lighter rod tube but one that still has rigid sides. Do you know of
any rigid side tubes (aluminium or other material) 2 inch diameter by
30 inches long or so that weigh in less than 8 to 10 oz.?

Thanks for any feedback.

Allyn

If you are a little bit handy you might want to just make one. See
http://www.peninsulaflyfishers.org/T...eBackpack.html

Mike McGuire


Wow, that seems unnecessarily complex. I built my fly rod tube out of
PVC, and use 'male' endcaps that have little rubber gaskets to make them
fit snugly. They make several dozen types of endcaps, so it wouldn't be
hard to find one that did the job.

PVC is heavy.

The lightest commonly available rod tubes are made with aluminum. Sage has
great aluminum rod tubes.

You can make lighter ones from carbon fiber. Or titanium.

It's not worth it for backpacking. Rod tubes are great for keeping the
air-cargo troglodytes from destroying your stuff, but if you take some
minimally reasonably care of your rod, you don't need one when
backpacking.


I agree that you can choose to go without a tube while backpacking, but I'd
still carry a tube, just for those errant branches or occasional stumbles
and falls. I find that the commercial tubes are big enough to put several
rods in, so making a snug PVC one might still be lighter than the stock
tube. However, if weight was still a factor, I might consider getting some
heavy gauge nylon and wrapping my rod in it, and lashing it along the
external frame. I don't hike with internal frame packs, as they get too
sweaty against my back.

Or another idea I have considered was to make a PVC tube and lash that to my
frame with zip ties, and leave a little groove in the top wide enough so
that I could sheathe it with the reel attached. That way, if I was hiking
alongside a stream, I could leave the rod rigged up with the reel on it,
break it down without taking the line off, and slip it into the tube like a
holster. The rod could be kept in the holster with a short piece of bungee
that slipped over the reel.

--riverman

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riverman wrote:

I agree that you can choose to go without a tube while backpacking, but I'd
still carry a tube, just for those errant branches or occasional stumbles
and falls. I find that the commercial tubes are big enough to put several
rods in, so making a snug PVC one might still be lighter than the stock
tube.

Carrying "several" rods on a lightweight backbacking trip sounds kind of
nuts to me. :-)

I loved your TRs from NZ, BTW.

Or another idea I have considered was to make a PVC tube and lash that to my
frame with zip ties, and leave a little groove in the top wide enough so
that I could sheathe it with the reel attached. That way, if I was hiking
alongside a stream, I could leave the rod rigged up with the reel on it,
break it down without taking the line off, and slip it into the tube like a
holster. The rod could be kept in the holster with a short piece of bungee
that slipped over the reel.

When I'm hiking and fishing, I usually carry my rod in my right hand,
completely rigged up.

Another good alternative is to carry a 2-piece rod in a very durable
tube, which does double duty as a hiking stick.

--
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Why not just go first class and build a good one. 4' of 2" titanium
for only $196

http://cgi.ebay.com/TITANIUM-TUBING-...cmd ZViewItem

Such a project would call for more than just an just ordinary screw on
cap, any suggestions?

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Old Grey wrote in
:

Since you own a fly shop I thought you might be a good person
to ask.
I hope you don't mind the intrusion. I have a 9' four piece
Winston
Ibis that came with the cordura rod tube. Together with the
rod and
tube it weighs in around 19 oz. I am looking to do some long
backpacking trips this summer (Muir Trail) and am trying to
find a
lighter rod tube but one that still has rigid sides. Do you
know of
any rigid side tubes (aluminium or other material) 2 inch
diameter by
30 inches long or so that weigh in less than 8 to 10 oz.?

Thanks for any feedback.

Allyn


Phenolic tubing may be an option.

http://www.the-rocketman.com/store/tubing.html

rt

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rw wrote:
riverman wrote:
them fit snugly. They make several dozen types of endcaps, so it
wouldn't be hard to find one that did the job.


PVC is heavy.

The lightest commonly available rod tubes are made with aluminum. Sage
has great aluminum rod tubes.



Not so. You do have to use the schedule 200 thin wall irrigation pipe,
not the thick wall schedule 40 domestic plumbing pipe. I weighed my PVC
tube and closures. Comes in around 330 grams for a 4 piece 9' rod. . The
aluminum tube it replaces comes in at 450 grams. What does Sage get for
their tubes? I got about $2 in materials in my rod tube. I have used the
type of closures riverman talks about for rod tubes where I don't care
about the weight. I weighed one that closes a 1.5" tube. It weighs 75
grams. The rolled foam closure of the same size that I made for my
backpack tube comes in at 10 grams. But what do you know about light
weight--you're a horsepacker, cast iron dutch ovens and skillets and
that kind of clunk.

Mike

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On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 06:12:23 GMT, Mike McGuire
wrote:

rw wrote:
riverman wrote:
them fit snugly. They make several dozen types of endcaps, so it
wouldn't be hard to find one that did the job.


PVC is heavy.

The lightest commonly available rod tubes are made with aluminum. Sage
has great aluminum rod tubes.



Not so. You do have to use the schedule 200 thin wall irrigation pipe,
not the thick wall schedule 40 domestic plumbing pipe. I weighed my PVC
tube and closures. Comes in around 330 grams for a 4 piece 9' rod. .

And 330 grams is...

TC,
R
.... I'm going to bet it's darned near 1/3 of a kilogram...and a few
ounces more than 9 or 10...

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On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 22:53:29 GMT, Old Grey
wrote:

Since you own a fly shop I thought you might be a good person to ask.
I hope you don't mind the intrusion. I have a 9' four piece Winston
Ibis that came with the cordura rod tube. Together with the rod and
tube it weighs in around 19 oz. I am looking to do some long
backpacking trips this summer (Muir Trail) and am trying to find a
lighter rod tube but one that still has rigid sides. Do you know of
any rigid side tubes (aluminium or other material) 2 inch diameter by
30 inches long or so that weigh in less than 8 to 10 oz.?

Thanks for any feedback.

Allyn

How "rigid" fits your definition of rigid? Does it need to survive a
fall that you, um, won't or ??? If it simply needs to protect the rod
and guides from bumps/snags, you might look at a corrugated plastic
tube*, such as used for storing photos, plans, art prints, etc. I don't
know the weight of it for a section 2" x 30", but I'd bet such data
could be found fairly easily online, and like the paper-product tube, it
has matching light plastic end caps, so if it will fit your needs, you
could assemble your own with no more labor than cutting the tube as
needed and inserting the end caps.

If that won't be "strong" enough, look up the weights of thinwall
aluminum tubing, and find the alloy type that will work, weight-wise,
and locate it that way - IOW, it may be easier to find a 2" diameter
tube of "XXXX" alloy material than to find a "rod tube" that weighs in
at less than 9-10 oz.

*This is like the corrugated sign material, and it comes in various
weights, strengths, etc.

HTH,
R

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rw wrote:

If I were doubtful about my ability to take care of my stuff and not to
fall off cliffs, however, I might not take an overpriced Winston.

For the record, the IBIS the original poster mentioned my have been
sold by Winston, but it is not a Winston, one's feeling on the pricing
structure notwithstanding. And it was priced as an "entry level rod".

Carry on.

Wayne
Who uses aluminum tools last time I backpacked.

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On 2/4/06 7:47 PM, in article
et, "rw"
wrote:

If I were doubtful about my ability to take care of my stuff and not to
fall off cliffs, however, I might not take an overpriced Winston.

That's what I was thinking. I mean, I thought that's why the make the
Cabela's KPOS Three Forks 3 weight! Not that I do the Muir trail (I wish!)
but that's what I carry when I'm hiking with a pack. I secure it to the
side of my pack in the rod sock. Hasn't busted while hiking yet- though I
did break the tip in the screen door one time. And my hikes are generally
in the relatively tightly-wooded and rocky eastern US. Lots of rod-grabbing
trailside stuff around here.

Bill

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Thanks for the various feedback so far. The PVC idea has some merit,
but can't seem to find any Class 125 or 200 in the 2 inch diameter so
far and the Schedule 40 is too heavy. The titanium tubing idea on
eBay caught my eye, but the price ($195) was a little too much. The
aluminum tubing out there seems to weigh a little more than I want,
but the model rocket tubing looks like a possibility. A 2-inch
diameter by 36 inch long piece is 8.7 oz and the 1.5 inch is 6.2 oz.

As for the mailing tube type, weight is just right but is too flexible
as not sure it would protect the rod.

As for going just with the sock, not sure I want to risk that. While
my hiking capabilities are not superior, I don't think I will be
falling off of cliffs or such. Just 220 plus miles of pack on and off
is too much of a chance for just the sock and I don't feel like
carrying my rod all those miles in my hand. Figure if I go 220 plus
miles through grand slam territory, I want my rod to make it.

As for my rod, well it is what it is and works great for me. Don't
really care who's name is on the label and who sold/made it. Price
was right for me (birthday present from my wife).

Thanks again..

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Wayne Knight wrote:

Wayne
Who uses aluminum tools last time I backpacked.



No offense, but I'm guessing that was time ago.....


Back in my younger days, a 30 pounds of pack and gear was considered
very light. Things have really changed for the better in terms of gear
available. Inspired by Snoop, I've gotten back into some kind of shape
and backpacking. I did a couple trips this past Fall and I have a number
of short trips planned for this Summer. I bought some new gear and the
pack, sleeping bag, pad, tent, stove, cooking gear, fuel, fishing gear,
clothes, raingear with food and other assorted stuff for a long weekend
is less than 20 pounds which even this aging body can carry fairly
easily. I don't use a rod case.

Willi

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Mike McGuire wrote:
rw wrote:

riverman wrote:

them fit snugly. They make several dozen types of endcaps, so it

wouldn't be hard to find one that did the job.



PVC is heavy.

The lightest commonly available rod tubes are made with aluminum. Sage
has great aluminum rod tubes.



Not so. You do have to use the schedule 200 thin wall irrigation pipe,
not the thick wall schedule 40 domestic plumbing pipe. I weighed my PVC
tube and closures. Comes in around 330 grams for a 4 piece 9' rod. . The
aluminum tube it replaces comes in at 450 grams. What does Sage get for
their tubes? I got about $2 in materials in my rod tube. I have used the
type of closures riverman talks about for rod tubes where I don't care
about the weight. I weighed one that closes a 1.5" tube. It weighs 75
grams. The rolled foam closure of the same size that I made for my
backpack tube comes in at 10 grams. But what do you know about light
weight--you're a horsepacker, cast iron dutch ovens and skillets and
that kind of clunk.

Mike

IMO, at 330 grams you're still dealing with considerable weight. I use
PVC cases in my van and when flying, but I don't want to be toting one
around in the mountains.

Willi

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On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 15:56:28 GMT, Old Grey
wrote:

Thanks for the various feedback so far. The PVC idea has some merit,
but can't seem to find any Class 125 or 200 in the 2 inch diameter so
far and the Schedule 40 is too heavy. The titanium tubing idea on
eBay caught my eye, but the price ($195) was a little too much. The
aluminum tubing out there seems to weigh a little more than I want,
but the model rocket tubing looks like a possibility. A 2-inch
diameter by 36 inch long piece is 8.7 oz and the 1.5 inch is 6.2 oz.

As for the mailing tube type, weight is just right but is too flexible
as not sure it would protect the rod.

Not sure what you mean by "flexible" ??? The tube (made of the
_corrugated_ material - the solid style wouldn't be as sturdy) itself
wouldn't be what _I'd_ call "flexible," but granted, it wouldn't be as
"side-impact" crush-resistant as solid PVC, aluminum, etc. As it can
handle FedEx/UPS shipping, it is reasonably sturdy - as always, YMMV.

If the titanium idea interests you, and you have any access to industry
in which it is used, you might check that avenue for "scrap" tubing.
I've gotten such material from scrap dealers for no more than the scrap
weight value plus a little profit for them. For example, I have
stainless steel fence gates that we've made out of non-spec tubing for
under .50USD a pound

TC,
R

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On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:00:38 -0600, wrote:


Not sure what you mean by "flexible" ??? The tube (made of the
_corrugated_ material - the solid style wouldn't be as sturdy) itself
wouldn't be what _I'd_ call "flexible," but granted, it wouldn't be as
"side-impact" crush-resistant as solid PVC, aluminum, etc. As it can
handle FedEx/UPS shipping, it is reasonably sturdy - as always, YMMV.

I was looking at the plastic mailing tubes they use for posters and
such. "Too flexible" was side impact crush which is what I am worried
about the most. Have looked at the cardboard mailers as well and they
have some possibilities.

If the titanium idea interests you, and you have any access to industry
in which it is used, you might check that avenue for "scrap" tubing.
I've gotten such material from scrap dealers for no more than the scrap
weight value plus a little profit for them. For example, I have
stainless steel fence gates that we've made out of non-spec tubing for
under .50USD a pound

That's a good idea. Will have to look into that source. Thanks



TC,
R

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"Willi" wrote in message
...


No offense, but I'm guessing that was time ago.....


You guessed wrong, last year after the cardiologist and infectous disease
guys released me. I wanted to see what I could still do. It probably wasn't
pretty and it wasn't fast but I still did the Cohutta WMA in n GA for one
day in, one day out and one day for fun. and for the record there were two
rod tubes attached to the pack.

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Wayne Knight wrote:
rw wrote:


If I were doubtful about my ability to take care of my stuff and not to
fall off cliffs, however, I might not take an overpriced Winston.


For the record, the IBIS the original poster mentioned my have been
sold by Winston, but it is not a Winston, one's feeling on the pricing
structure notwithstanding. And it was priced as an "entry level rod".

Carry on.

Sorry, Wayne. I'm not intimately familiar with the Winston line of rods.
It sounds like this particular rod is not a candidate for heartbreaking
loss is the flyfisher/backpacker falls off a cliff.

--
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It sounds like this particular rod is not a candidate for heartbreaking
loss is the flyfisher/backpacker falls off a cliff.


Heartbreaking or not, there is something to be said for walking in several
miles to fish somewhere only to break your rod before you get to fish.
Regardless of how much the rod cost.

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On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 22:14:17 -0500, "Wayne Knight"
wrote:

Heartbreaking or not, there is something to be said for walking in several
miles to fish somewhere only to break your rod before you get to fish.
Regardless of how much the rod cost.

Or row your iddy biddy pontoon boat all day after breaking your rod.
Right, Barnard? d;o)

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Willi wrote:
Mike McGuire wrote:


IMO, at 330 grams you're still dealing with considerable weight. I use
PVC cases in my van and when flying, but I don't want to be toting one
around in the mountains.

Willi

If you want to put in a tube with reasonable protection, you're not
going to get much lighter than that. I am sceptical of the amount of
serious backpacking is actually done by those who strain at this gnat.

Mike

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Mike McGuire wrote:
Willi wrote:

Mike McGuire wrote:



IMO, at 330 grams you're still dealing with considerable weight. I use
PVC cases in my van and when flying, but I don't want to be toting one
around in the mountains.

Willi


If you want to put in a tube with reasonable protection, you're not
going to get much lighter than that. I am sceptical of the amount of
serious backpacking is actually done by those who strain at this gnat.

Sceptical [sic] though you might be, lightweight backpacking is all
about "straining at gnats." The idea is to trim weight, relentlessly. If
you don't actually NEED it, then leave it. The 10 ounces a rod tube
would take up is a huge amount of weight.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 22:14:17 -0500, "Wayne Knight"
wrote:


Heartbreaking or not, there is something to be said for walking in several
miles to fish somewhere only to break your rod before you get to fish.
Regardless of how much the rod cost.


Or row your iddy biddy pontoon boat all day after breaking your rod.
Right, Barnard? d;o)

I recall that trip vividly. I broke my rod. Big deal.

That was the trip where at the put-in you blew up at Joe MacIntosh for
apparently no reason at all, embarrassing everyone. That was about the
most uncomfortable moment I've ever experienced at a ROFF clave.

It was also the trip where, according to you, you caught more fish and
bigger fish than everyone else.

--
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rw wrote:
Mike McGuire wrote:


Sceptical [sic] though you might be, lightweight backpacking is all
about "straining at gnats." The idea is to trim weight, relentlessly. If
you don't actually NEED it, then leave it. The 10 ounces a rod tube
would take up is a huge amount of weight.


But the question is do you want protection or not. You don't even NEED
to go fishing on a backpack trip, so leave all the tackle behind and
save even more.

Mike

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wrote:

How "rigid" fits your definition of rigid? Does it need to survive a
fall that you, um, won't or ??? If it simply needs to protect the rod
and guides from bumps/snags, you might look at a corrugated plastic
tube*, such as used for storing photos, plans, art prints, etc.

If you just need to provide this sort of minimal protection (i.e., not
enough to protect the rod if you sit on it....), at minimal weight, you
might consider

http://tinyurl.com/7whey

JR

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"rw" wrote in message
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Mike McGuire wrote:
Willi wrote:

Mike McGuire wrote:



IMO, at 330 grams you're still dealing with considerable weight. I use
PVC cases in my van and when flying, but I don't want to be toting one
around in the mountains.

Willi


If you want to put in a tube with reasonable protection, you're not going
to get much lighter than that. I am sceptical of the amount of serious
backpacking is actually done by those who strain at this gnat.

Sceptical [sic] though you might be, lightweight backpacking is all about
"straining at gnats." The idea is to trim weight, relentlessly. If you
don't actually NEED it, then leave it. The 10 ounces a rod tube would take
up is a huge amount of weight.


True. I knew an ultralightweight packer who would drill holes in the handle
of his toothbrush to save the grams. It all sounded pretty ludicrous to me
until he showed me his full-gear pack....three seasons, five day pack (food
included) at something like 10 pounds.

But I think if someone wanted to supplement their food with freshly-caught
fish, the weight of the rod tube would be worth the savings in food weight.

--riverman

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"riverman" wrote ...


But I think if someone wanted to supplement their food with freshly-caught
fish, the weight of the rod tube would be worth the savings in food
weight.

--riverman

The food weight savings are quickly off-set by the additional gear
required -- some sort of skillet, a heavier stove (hard to cook fish over an
alcohol stove -- flame just doesn't last long enough), fuel for the stove,
condiments, etc. Plus, the heaviset item of all: worry that no fish may be
caught.


Dan
...Mountain House isn't delicious, but it sure works....

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On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 06:27:44 GMT, rw
wrote:

That was the trip where at the put-in you blew up at Joe MacIntosh for
apparently no reason at all, embarrassing everyone. That was about the
most uncomfortable moment I've ever experienced at a ROFF clave.

You should get your stories straight, Steve. There was a conversation
about boat safety and for the necessity of watching where you cast. I
mentioned that Joe had hit me in the head twice on a float the day
before. Joe took exception to that and grabbed me by the shirt at my
throat. Yeah, I blew up. Who wouldn't have under the same
conditions. You don't go around grabbing folks by their throat.

It was also the trip where, according to you, you caught more fish and
bigger fish than everyone else.

Actually it was Jeff Connelly and I who caught the most fish. Hell,
that wasn't much of a feat considering that it was a miserable day and
hardly any fish were taken. Jeff and I were in a boat expertly rowed
by John Hightower. HE put us into the fish. You, otoh, were a bit of
a klutz (eww, glad I'm not writing doggerel!) breaking your rod fairly
early in the float. Never heard of anyone breaking a rod that way.
Tragic but funny at the same time, dontchaknow.

d;o)

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On 2/5/06 7:20 PM, in article ,
"Wayne Knight" wrote:

"Willi" wrote in message
...


No offense, but I'm guessing that was time ago.....


You guessed wrong, last year after the cardiologist and infectous disease
guys released me. I wanted to see what I could still do. It probably wasn't
pretty and it wasn't fast but I still did the Cohutta WMA in n GA for one
day in, one day out and one day for fun. and for the record there were two
rod tubes attached to the pack.

Way to go Wayne!

Bill

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On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 00:11:04 -0800, JR wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/7whey

Ta daa! The solution.

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Wayne Knight wrote:
"Willi" wrote in message
...


No offense, but I'm guessing that was time ago.....



You guessed wrong, last year after the cardiologist and infectous disease
guys released me. I wanted to see what I could still do. It probably wasn't
pretty and it wasn't fast but I still did the Cohutta WMA in n GA for one
day in, one day out and one day for fun. and for the record there were two
rod tubes attached to the pack.



Very Cool! Wayne

I apologize for the erroneous assumption.

Willi

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On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 07:40:04 -0700, Willi wrote:

Wayne Knight wrote:
"Willi" wrote in message
...


No offense, but I'm guessing that was time ago.....



You guessed wrong, last year after the cardiologist and infectous disease
guys released me. I wanted to see what I could still do. It probably wasn't
pretty and it wasn't fast but I still did the Cohutta WMA in n GA for one
day in, one day out and one day for fun. and for the record there were two
rod tubes attached to the pack.



Very Cool! Wayne

Sure is!

I apologize for the erroneous assumption.

I'd rather use a stick of 8 3/8" casing as a backpacking rod case than
apologize on ROFF...

TC,
R

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Daniel-San wrote:
"riverman" wrote ...


But I think if someone wanted to supplement their food with freshly-caught
fish, the weight of the rod tube would be worth the savings in food
weight.

--riverman


The food weight savings are quickly off-set by the additional gear
required -- some sort of skillet, a heavier stove (hard to cook fish over an
alcohol stove -- flame just doesn't last long enough), fuel for the stove,
condiments, etc.

If you're camping where fires are allowed all you need is some aluminum
foil.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

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"rw" wrote ...
Daniel-San wrote:
"riverman" wrote ...


But I think if someone wanted to supplement their food with
freshly-caught fish, the weight of the rod tube would be worth the
savings in food weight.

--riverman


The food weight savings are quickly off-set by the additional gear
required -- some sort of skillet, a heavier stove (hard to cook fish over
an alcohol stove -- flame just doesn't last long enough), fuel for the
stove, condiments, etc.

If you're camping where fires are allowed all you need is some aluminum
foil.


True enough.

While I do BP in a few areas that allow fires, I usually prefer not to have
one. Just a preference, no real reason. Probably why I immediately think of
stoves, etc. to cook fish.

Dan

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My Hardy smuggler rod and its plastic rod tube (made from some sort of
water pipe, I think) together only weigh about 350 grams. The rod
isn't great, but (heresy!) sometimes that isn't all that important.

Lazarus