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Sportsmanship?
This won't be a long post, I just want to comment on how pathetic
B.A.S.S has become. For some reason now they enforce some "Sportsmanship" rules! What about Swindell driving up in his boat and yelling at someone that he thinks is on a spot he found?????? How is that any better than what Iaconnelli did yesterday? This is why my dream of fishing professionally for B.A.S.S is gone. It isn't even the same as it was 3 years ago. Since ESPN bought it, it has gone even further down hill than when Scott sold it. I didn't think so at first, I thought big money would finally put this sport into the highlight, and it did that, but in a Soap Opera kind of way. Iaconnelli is the bad guy, Swindell is the funny guy, Brauer is the old guy, Van Dam is the Wiz kid, Martens the almost guy, and then Clunn the mystic. Screw B.A.S.S , screw everything about them. If you want to break sh*t on your boat, go ahead, who cares, it is emotion. 2 fish died in his livewell. They reviewed tapes, and because of all the negative publicity Iaconnelli gets, and they (ESPN/B.A.S.S) of course facilitate and push. If KVD kicked his trolling motor off his boat (don't get me wrong I love KVD) , being defending champ, they would definitely not have disqualified him. Iaconnelli is marked, and I guarantee they spin this even more negatively about him! I hope he comes out and catches 50lbs today and shoves it up their.........explitive deleted. I am so mad right now, it hurts to see a dream turn into a complete joke. Good thing there is competition out there all is not lost. All the media outlets are the same, ESPN didn't have to go this direction, but it is what sells to the masses. Oh well, I am going to go catch some steelhead! Chris |
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I think the spin on this case will probably go in the direction of the "bad
language" he supposedly used at some of the people around him, especially if there were any kids around. B.A.S.S. has been affected negatively by the ESPN folks in my opinion too.So much so that my renewal came last week in the mail and I pitched it immediately.I still have my first ever member card from 1987 and was a "proud member".WAS. "Chris Rennert" wrote in message ... This won't be a long post, I just want to comment on how pathetic B.A.S.S has become. For some reason now they enforce some "Sportsmanship" rules! What about Swindell driving up in his boat and yelling at someone that he thinks is on a spot he found?????? How is that any better than what Iaconnelli did yesterday? This is why my dream of fishing professionally for B.A.S.S is gone. It isn't even the same as it was 3 years ago. Since ESPN bought it, it has gone even further down hill than when Scott sold it. I didn't think so at first, I thought big money would finally put this sport into the highlight, and it did that, but in a Soap Opera kind of way. Iaconnelli is the bad guy, Swindell is the funny guy, Brauer is the old guy, Van Dam is the Wiz kid, Martens the almost guy, and then Clunn the mystic. Screw B.A.S.S , screw everything about them. If you want to break sh*t on your boat, go ahead, who cares, it is emotion. 2 fish died in his livewell. They reviewed tapes, and because of all the negative publicity Iaconnelli gets, and they (ESPN/B.A.S.S) of course facilitate and push. If KVD kicked his trolling motor off his boat (don't get me wrong I love KVD) , being defending champ, they would definitely not have disqualified him. Iaconnelli is marked, and I guarantee they spin this even more negatively about him! I hope he comes out and catches 50lbs today and shoves it up their.........explitive deleted. I am so mad right now, it hurts to see a dream turn into a complete joke. Good thing there is competition out there all is not lost. All the media outlets are the same, ESPN didn't have to go this direction, but it is what sells to the masses. Oh well, I am going to go catch some steelhead! Chris |
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I personally think a stiff fine would have been a better way to go.
There has to be some kind of penelty for swearing up a storm and throwing a fit on national t.v. Can you imagine the size of the fine if Peyton Manning or Randy Moss went off like that in front of the camera & fans?? |
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On 25 Feb 2006 18:17:26 -0800, "RATMAN"
wrote: I personally think a stiff fine would have been a better way to go. There has to be some kind of penelty for swearing up a storm and throwing a fit on national t.v. Can you imagine the size of the fine if Peyton Manning or Randy Moss went off like that in front of the camera & fans?? Happens every game on the sidelines. The only time any kind of fine or penalty is issued is if a player goes off on, or flips off, a fan. There's a lot more colorful language on an NFL sideline than what Ike used. .. Harry J aka Thundercat Share the knowledge, compete on execution... http://www.brooklynbillstackleshop.com http://secretweaponlures.com |
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I can't believe no-one is upset about him culling a dead or dying fish.
That'll get you the death penalty in most any circuit I've ever fished. In addition to showing total disdain for the resource, it's also cheating, pure and simple. By culling a dead or soon-to-be-dead fish, he evaded the dead fish penalty he had already earned by not turning on the air pumps. By his own admission, there were 4 dead fish in the well. He only weighed in two. |
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On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:21:21 -0500, RichZ
wrote: I can't believe no-one is upset about him culling a dead or dying fish. That'll get you the death penalty in most any circuit I've ever fished. In addition to showing total disdain for the resource, it's also cheating, pure and simple. By culling a dead or soon-to-be-dead fish, he evaded the dead fish penalty he had already earned by not turning on the air pumps. By his own admission, there were 4 dead fish in the well. He only weighed in two. Disney doesn't care about the resource. He has a potty mouth. .. Harry J aka Thundercat Share the knowledge, compete on execution... http://www.brooklynbillstackleshop.com http://secretweaponlures.com |
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All I know is if I was living the "Dream" to fish for a living, I would take
up words like darnit, dang, shucks& jeez,, then again I would have held my dying fish to the sky and yelled "Why him, He was so young" and then maybe tried some cpr on the deck :-) -- www.wermieerniebaits.com Making fish regret their decision on a daily basis "Thundercat" wrote in message ... On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:21:21 -0500, RichZ wrote: I can't believe no-one is upset about him culling a dead or dying fish. That'll get you the death penalty in most any circuit I've ever fished. In addition to showing total disdain for the resource, it's also cheating, pure and simple. By culling a dead or soon-to-be-dead fish, he evaded the dead fish penalty he had already earned by not turning on the air pumps. By his own admission, there were 4 dead fish in the well. He only weighed in two. Disney doesn't care about the resource. He has a potty mouth. . Harry J aka Thundercat Share the knowledge, compete on execution... http://www.brooklynbillstackleshop.com http://secretweaponlures.com |
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"alwaysfishking" wrote in message ... All I know is if I was living the "Dream" to fish for a living, I would take up words like darnit, dang, shucks& jeez,, then again I would have held my dying fish to the sky and yelled "Why him, He was so young" and then maybe tried some cpr on the deck :-) Which would have made for much better television! LOL, that would have been great! -- Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods http://www.herefishyfishy.com |
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If your going to be insane at least have fun with it :-)
-- www.wermieerniebaits.com Making fish regret their decision on a daily basis "Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers" wrote in message ... "alwaysfishking" wrote in message ... All I know is if I was living the "Dream" to fish for a living, I would take up words like darnit, dang, shucks& jeez,, then again I would have held my dying fish to the sky and yelled "Why him, He was so young" and then maybe tried some cpr on the deck :-) Which would have made for much better television! LOL, that would have been great! -- Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods http://www.herefishyfishy.com |
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On problem Rich is it must not have been against the rules. With the
other incident it was a judgment call by B.A.S.S officials. As for swearing, What about Jim Bitter??????? Chris RichZ wrote: I can't believe no-one is upset about him culling a dead or dying fish. That'll get you the death penalty in most any circuit I've ever fished. In addition to showing total disdain for the resource, it's also cheating, pure and simple. By culling a dead or soon-to-be-dead fish, he evaded the dead fish penalty he had already earned by not turning on the air pumps. By his own admission, there were 4 dead fish in the well. He only weighed in two. |
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"Chris Rennert" wrote in message ... On problem Rich is it must not have been against the rules. With the other incident it was a judgment call by B.A.S.S officials. As for swearing, What about Jim Bitter??????? Chris It is against Florida law though and that makes it against the rules according to BASS. Joe Z. |
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Joe,
That makes me wonder why B.A.S.S wouldn't have called him on that as well??? They took their time reviewing the tapes on Day 1, why wouldn't they do the same on day 2? Oh well, we could argue about this, but just as everyone I have formed my opinions based on how I have watched B.A.S.S change, and would never push those opinions on anyone, just throwing them out for the sake of argument. Take care Chris Joe Z wrote: "Chris Rennert" wrote in message ... On problem Rich is it must not have been against the rules. With the other incident it was a judgment call by B.A.S.S officials. As for swearing, What about Jim Bitter??????? Chris It is against Florida law though and that makes it against the rules according to BASS. Joe Z. |
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"Chris Rennert" wrote in message ... Joe, That makes me wonder why B.A.S.S wouldn't have called him on that as well??? They took their time reviewing the tapes on Day 1, why wouldn't they do the same on day 2? Oh well, we could argue about this, but just as everyone I have formed my opinions based on how I have watched B.A.S.S change, and would never push those opinions on anyone, just throwing them out for the sake of argument. Take care Chris I agree Chris, BASS is a shadow of it's former self. 64 degrees here on Tuesday. I may have to slum and go walleye fishing on the river. March, April and part of May you can basically bass fish for them. Casting jig and twister tail to the banks and swimming it or dragging and dead sticking. Joe Z. From BASSFAN.com Weldon was clear the DQ did not stem from Iaconelli possibly culling a dead fish, which is a violation of Florida fishing regulations and is thus a violation of BASS rules, which require that anglers obey all local and state laws. Weldon said, "I was not there, and if that fish moves one time, you can release it. I was not there, so I don't know." JZ |
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Chris, et al:
I respectfully disagree with your opinion on Ike's diqualification. I think BASS did the right thing. His attitude was too far over the top and he's going to be lucky if he's not brought up on federal charges for desicration of the American flag (It was attached to the light pole that he destroyed and threw in the lake). This is the CLASSIC and Ike is a PROFESSIONAL, act like one. It was his mistake and he needs to learn a leason from it. My 7 year old son was watching this display and he told me that he gets in trouble for acting like that, why isn't Ike? I loved Denny Brauers comments.......... On the other hand, I do agree that ESPN has screwed up BASS. I have fished the BASS Opens and FLW Everstart tournaments and FLW is by far a classier outfit. My opinion, milage may vary. Jack ~~ Jack Dalzell www.jdbass.com ~~ Chris Rennert wrote: This won't be a long post, I just want to comment on how pathetic B.A.S.S has become. For some reason now they enforce some "Sportsmanship" rules! What about Swindell driving up in his boat and yelling at someone that he thinks is on a spot he found?????? How is that any better than what Iaconnelli did yesterday? This is why my dream of fishing professionally for B.A.S.S is gone. It isn't even the same as it was 3 years ago. Since ESPN bought it, it has gone even further down hill than when Scott sold it. I didn't think so at first, I thought big money would finally put this sport into the highlight, and it did that, but in a Soap Opera kind of way. Iaconnelli is the bad guy, Swindell is the funny guy, Brauer is the old guy, Van Dam is the Wiz kid, Martens the almost guy, and then Clunn the mystic. Screw B.A.S.S , screw everything about them. If you want to break sh*t on your boat, go ahead, who cares, it is emotion. 2 fish died in his livewell. They reviewed tapes, and because of all the negative publicity Iaconnelli gets, and they (ESPN/B.A.S.S) of course facilitate and push. If KVD kicked his trolling motor off his boat (don't get me wrong I love KVD) , being defending champ, they would definitely not have disqualified him. Iaconnelli is marked, and I guarantee they spin this even more negatively about him! I hope he comes out and catches 50lbs today and shoves it up their.........explitive deleted. I am so mad right now, it hurts to see a dream turn into a complete joke. Good thing there is competition out there all is not lost. All the media outlets are the same, ESPN didn't have to go this direction, but it is what sells to the masses. Oh well, I am going to go catch some steelhead! Chris |
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Chris,
I agree, different people react emotionally different. But, Ike's been there. I'm sure that wasn't the first time he's killed his catch and Ike's problem is (in my eyes), he is ALWAY'S drawing attention to himself. Ever see the Classic Patterns with him? He catches a 3 lb bass and screams and yells about it being a giant. I think it get old....I like Ike, but I don't particularly care for all the WWE type hype that he brings. He's been disqualified TWICE in the Classic, that's a record that he should be ashamed of. Swearing, while not the best emotional release, is, in MY EYES, not nearly as bad as the temper tantrum that Ike threw. Swearing is a very spontaneous release. Busting up equipment is just bad judgment. I also agree that the camera's are there just waiting for this type of stuff and that should keep you on your toes too. I have walked in Ike's shoes. Last year, on day one of the Everstart in Cleveland we had 30 mph winds and waves that ran 8-10ft. I ran 50 miles in that (it took 3 hours), fished for 1hr &20 minutes and ran 3 hours back to the ramp. On the way back, my livewell drain broke in the rough water killing my entire catch. Before the 2 1/2 lb penalty, I had 17 lbs and was in 4th place, after I had 14 1/2 lbs, dropping to 8th. I was very concerned that those dead fish would cost me a trip to the finals, but I learned my lesson and realized that it was my fault and moved on. Jack ~~ Jack Dalzell www.jdbass.com ~~ |
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I agree Jack, except one disqualification was cut and dry, and a clear
violation of a rule, and he didn't dispute it. This most recent was a judgment call by B.A.S.S, and therefore to me inconsistent with previous tournaments, and really that is where my problem lies. In all honesty I have heard a couple of different stories about why he was disqualified, was it the tantrum and "destroying safety equipment", or was it the swearing? Regardless, I along with you would have handled it differently, but I don't think his actions warranted a disqualification unless everyone is subject to the same penalties, which I don't believe they are from my observations. And to answer your post about "A Joke", I also was hoping we were not arguing :-). This could really get deep, but where I am standing, I think there is a fine line between individualism and societal professionalism. I originally couldn't stand Iaconnelli, all the antics and carrying on, but man, the guy catches fish, everywhere, and anywhere, and that to me is what I look to him for. I don't care if he has a mullet and can break dance. I don't care if Takahiro Omori is japanese, or that Rick Clunn sleeps in a tent. They all catch fish and that is all that really matters. It goes past entertainment value when you have a personal stake in it, such as you, me, and everyone else in this group. But are we giving these anglers, and that is all they are is anglers too much credit. This pedestal that society puts "people better than ordinary" on? The difference is , some people say I want to be him ( I think that is the wrong approach), and some people say I want to be where he is (the goal oriented). I think KVD always pictured himself at the top holding the trophy, he didn't want to be anyone but himself and knock the king off the mountain. The biggest problem again being the facilitation and condemnation of these antics by the same organization at the same exact time. It is spin and unimportant to the actual final result. If it was so detrimental then why show it. Why always show our friends dying to road side bombs and then say nothing of the buildings being erected to promote growth. It may seem like separate instances, but they are the same, because it is spin based on ratings, and money rather than the best angler, and therefore controversy sells, and that is what they produced, not because it was any worse than anything else that has happened in tournaments, but because they created a character, and mold that character in the 10 seconds they are on film to what they want them to be. So, in 10 seconds, somehow people can put someone on trial and convict them based on that scene. Doesn't make any sense to me. If it wasn't Ike, and nobody has to believe this, it wouldn't have even been an issue, that I am pretty confident about. If I move to the hills of Montana, please don't tell the FBI :-) Chris wrote: Chris, I agree, different people react emotionally different. But, Ike's been there. I'm sure that wasn't the first time he's killed his catch and Ike's problem is (in my eyes), he is ALWAY'S drawing attention to himself. Ever see the Classic Patterns with him? He catches a 3 lb bass and screams and yells about it being a giant. I think it get old....I like Ike, but I don't particularly care for all the WWE type hype that he brings. He's been disqualified TWICE in the Classic, that's a record that he should be ashamed of. Swearing, while not the best emotional release, is, in MY EYES, not nearly as bad as the temper tantrum that Ike threw. Swearing is a very spontaneous release. Busting up equipment is just bad judgment. I also agree that the camera's are there just waiting for this type of stuff and that should keep you on your toes too. I have walked in Ike's shoes. Last year, on day one of the Everstart in Cleveland we had 30 mph winds and waves that ran 8-10ft. I ran 50 miles in that (it took 3 hours), fished for 1hr &20 minutes and ran 3 hours back to the ramp. On the way back, my livewell drain broke in the rough water killing my entire catch. Before the 2 1/2 lb penalty, I had 17 lbs and was in 4th place, after I had 14 1/2 lbs, dropping to 8th. I was very concerned that those dead fish would cost me a trip to the finals, but I learned my lesson and realized that it was my fault and moved on. Jack ~~ Jack Dalzell www.jdbass.com ~~ |
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I think what Mike did was totally unfit for television, thefore it
should have been edited out and the problem solved between B.A.S.S , ESPN and Mike. "ninety percent of the bass that are caught, are caught by 10 percent of the anglers" |
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I still think right or wrong, If your on TV fishing for a living, don't do
anything that might get you DQ'd. Be as loud and emotional as you want when you win, nothing would irk B.a.s.s more -- www.wermieerniebaits.com Making fish regret their decision on a daily basis "BIG FISH 2006" wrote in message ... I think what Mike did was totally unfit for television, thefore it should have been edited out and the problem solved between B.A.S.S , ESPN and Mike. "ninety percent of the bass that are caught, are caught by 10 percent of the anglers" |
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