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Forgotten Treaures #8: BROOK TROUT FISHING-1902
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Forgotten Treaures #8: BROOK TROUT FISHING-1902
"Wolfgang" wrote ... http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z4E623CBC Anybody recognize the setting? Wolfgang No clue on the setting (tho I'd guess it's yooper-esque), but that sure is a nice find. Dan ....didja see the guy in the background almost wipe out? |
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On 3/3/06 11:21 AM, in article , "Wolfgang"
wrote: http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z4E623CBC Anybody recognize the setting? No, but I think that chap's been borrowing my tweed jacket! The description says filmed at (along?) the "Grand Trunk RR", which led me to this: http://www.t-one.net/~bessey/GrandTrunk.html So, the line ran between Detroit and Grand Haven. Potentially the Grand River? I don't know that area very well, perhaps Wayne could chime in. I'm guessing whichever river it is doesn't have brook trout in it any more. Bill |
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On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 10:21:35 -0600, "Wolfgang"
wrote: http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z4E623CBC Anybody recognize the setting? Wolfgang Fantastic! g.c. |
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"William Claspy" wrote in message ... On 3/3/06 11:21 AM, in article , "Wolfgang" wrote: http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z4E623CBC Anybody recognize the setting? No, but I think that chap's been borrowing my tweed jacket! The description says filmed at (along?) the "Grand Trunk RR", which led me to this: http://www.t-one.net/~bessey/GrandTrunk.html So, the line ran between Detroit and Grand Haven. Potentially the Grand River? I don't know that area very well, perhaps Wayne could chime in. I'm guessing whichever river it is doesn't have brook trout in it any more. Looking at this: http://www.memoriallibrary.com/Trans/RRGaz/CGT/map.htm I'd be surprised if we ever identified that river. There are a lot of little streams in the Grand Trunk RR network. --riverman |
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"riverman" wrote in message ... "William Claspy" wrote in message ... On 3/3/06 11:21 AM, in article , "Wolfgang" wrote: http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z4E623CBC Anybody recognize the setting? No, but I think that chap's been borrowing my tweed jacket! The description says filmed at (along?) the "Grand Trunk RR", which led me to this: http://www.t-one.net/~bessey/GrandTrunk.html So, the line ran between Detroit and Grand Haven. Potentially the Grand River? I don't know that area very well, perhaps Wayne could chime in. I'm guessing whichever river it is doesn't have brook trout in it any more. Looking at this: http://www.memoriallibrary.com/Trans/RRGaz/CGT/map.htm I'd be surprised if we ever identified that river. There are a lot of little streams in the Grand Trunk RR network. I love old maps! Bill's find was interesting but, while brookies in the southern half of Michigan's lower peninsula as late as 1902 seems plausible, it doesn't strike me as very likely. This map opens up many VERY likely possibilities.....places where brookies are still common today. There isn't much to go on here but judging by the size of the stream (lots of open space visible), the exposed rock, the gentlemanly attire, and the prevalence of coniferous trees, I'm guessing someplace further north and east.....some traditional northeastern holy water. Of course, identifying the precise spot IS virtually impossible.....unless someone happens to recognize it. There's a pretty good chance that it looks very much the same today as it did a century ago. Incidentally, the Library of Congress has an extensive collection of downloadable digitized maps he http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/browse/L...?category=Maps This is just part of a much larger multi-media collection: http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/index.html And ALL of this is just a minuscule part of one of the most awesome websites around, the official web portal of the United States government: http://www.firstgov.gov/ Wolfgang |
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Wolfgang wrote:
I love old maps! I love new ones, too. :-) And Google Earth. Incidentally, the Library of Congress has an extensive collection of downloadable digitized maps he http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/browse/L...?category=Maps Ah, so I guess you've already seen the great maps they have of the Smokies? This is just part of a much larger multi-media collection: http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/index.html And ALL of this is just a minuscule part of one of the most awesome websites around, the official web portal of the United States government: http://www.firstgov.gov/ That's pretty much heaven for a librarian. Chuck Vance (or a librarian wannabe like yourself :-) |
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"William Claspy" wrote in message ... It just got even more difficult, I'm sorry to say. Don't know why I didn't check Wiki to begin with, but this map, and more information about the Grand Funk, er Trunk, railroad is there. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1885_GT.jpg Lots and LOTS of brookie water there. What, most of eastern Canada, VT, NH, Maine, Michigan, Wisconsin, Alberta... I downloaded the high resolution version. Started looking near my house. I've gotten as far as Hampton Ave. and 105th street. Haven't seen anything that looks like the right spot yet. Will keep you posted. :( Wolfgang |
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"Conan The Librarian" wrote in message ... Wolfgang wrote: http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/browse/L...?category=Maps Ah, so I guess you've already seen the great maps they have of the Smokies? Nah. Somewhat ironically, I suppose, every time I look at that stuff I just sort of start to wander around and end up getting lost. :) http://www.firstgov.gov/ That's pretty much heaven for a librarian. Chuck Vance (or a librarian wannabe like yourself :-) *******! You promised you wouldn't tell! :( Wolfgang sshhh! |
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Wolfgang wrote:
"Conan The Librarian" wrote in message ... Ah, so I guess you've already seen the great maps they have of the Smokies? Nah. Somewhat ironically, I suppose, every time I look at that stuff I just sort of start to wander around and end up getting lost. :) Boy, can I relate to that. I went back to that site and the GSMNP maps, and I'm currently lost somewhere up beyond Chasteen Creek on Bradley Fork of the 'Luftee. But the fishing is good. :-) That's pretty much heaven for a librarian. Chuck Vance (or a librarian wannabe like yourself :-) *******! You promised you wouldn't tell! :( Wolfgang sshhh! Ooops, too late. But don't worry, I'm guessing Claspy's the only one besides ourselves reading this part of the thread anyway. :-) Chuck Vance (and your secret is safe with us) |
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"riverman" wrote in message ... "William Claspy" wrote in message ... On 3/3/06 11:21 AM, in article , "Wolfgang" wrote: http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z4E623CBC Anybody recognize the setting? No, but I think that chap's been borrowing my tweed jacket! The description says filmed at (along?) the "Grand Trunk RR", which led me to this: http://www.t-one.net/~bessey/GrandTrunk.html So, the line ran between Detroit and Grand Haven. Potentially the Grand River? I don't know that area very well, perhaps Wayne could chime in. I'm guessing whichever river it is doesn't have brook trout in it any more. Looking at this: http://www.memoriallibrary.com/Trans/RRGaz/CGT/map.htm I'd be surprised if we ever identified that river. There are a lot of little streams in the Grand Trunk RR network. --riverman At one of the William B. Mershon Tu Chapter dinners, a guest speaker did a presentation about William B. Mershon. William B. Mershon traveled through out the U.S. and Canada with his private railcar. He lived in the Saginaw Michigan area and was a successful businessman. http://www.midmichigantraveler.com/h...y_fishing.html http://www.flyanglersonline.com/feat...s/part181.html The scenery looks very similar to a few of the slides shown at the presentation. I can't recall the name of the location, only that it was on the westside of Lower Michigan. Ron |
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Wolfgang typed:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z4E623CBC Anybody recognize the setting? Hmmmm. . . looks quite like rocks in a stream by the falls, 'though I've been wrong before. -- TL, Tim ------------------------- http://css.sbcma.com/timj |
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"Conan The Librarian" wrote in message ... Ooops, too late. But don't worry, I'm guessing Claspy's the only one besides ourselves reading this part of the thread anyway. :-) WRONG! Op Chuck Vance (and your secret is safe with us) |
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On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 11:35:21 -0500, William Claspy
wrote: On 3/3/06 11:21 AM, in article , "Wolfgang" wrote: http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z4E623CBC Anybody recognize the setting? No, but I think that chap's been borrowing my tweed jacket! The description says filmed at (along?) the "Grand Trunk RR", which led me to this: http://www.t-one.net/~bessey/GrandTrunk.html So, the line ran between Detroit and Grand Haven. Potentially the Grand River? I don't know that area very well, perhaps Wayne could chime in. I'm guessing whichever river it is doesn't have brook trout in it any more. Bill According to the American Film Institute it was filmed in the Muskoka Lakes region of Canada. http://www.afi.com/members/catalog/D...=1&Movie=31120 g.c. |
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"George Cleveland" wrote in message ... On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 11:35:21 -0500, William Claspy wrote: On 3/3/06 11:21 AM, in article , "Wolfgang" wrote: http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z4E623CBC Anybody recognize the setting? No, but I think that chap's been borrowing my tweed jacket! The description says filmed at (along?) the "Grand Trunk RR", which led me to this: http://www.t-one.net/~bessey/GrandTrunk.html So, the line ran between Detroit and Grand Haven. Potentially the Grand River? I don't know that area very well, perhaps Wayne could chime in. I'm guessing whichever river it is doesn't have brook trout in it any more. Bill According to the American Film Institute it was filmed in the Muskoka Lakes region of Canada. http://www.afi.com/members/catalog/D...=1&Movie=31120 GOD, I LOVE THIS PLACE! :) Thanks, George. Wolfgang o.k., now, who's gonna be first to find the precise gps coordinates? |
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"Tim J." wrote in message ... Wolfgang typed: http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z4E623CBC Anybody recognize the setting? Hmmmm. . . looks quite like rocks in a stream by the falls, 'though I've been wrong before. -- TL, Tim Thankfully, the edumacated eye recognizes a stream flowing over rocks into a pool. Op |
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On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:40:06 -0600, "Wolfgang"
wrote: "George Cleveland" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 11:35:21 -0500, William Claspy wrote: On 3/3/06 11:21 AM, in article , "Wolfgang" wrote: http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z4E623CBC Anybody recognize the setting? No, but I think that chap's been borrowing my tweed jacket! The description says filmed at (along?) the "Grand Trunk RR", which led me to this: http://www.t-one.net/~bessey/GrandTrunk.html So, the line ran between Detroit and Grand Haven. Potentially the Grand River? I don't know that area very well, perhaps Wayne could chime in. I'm guessing whichever river it is doesn't have brook trout in it any more. Bill According to the American Film Institute it was filmed in the Muskoka Lakes region of Canada. http://www.afi.com/members/catalog/D...=1&Movie=31120 GOD, I LOVE THIS PLACE! :) Thanks, George. Wolfgang o.k., now, who's gonna be first to find the precise gps coordinates? Well here's a picture of a falls (Mereau?) on the Aux Sable River near Massey Ont... looks familiar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aux_Sab..._%28Ontario%29 g.c. |
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On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:50:04 -0600, George Cleveland
wrote: On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:40:06 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote: "George Cleveland" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 11:35:21 -0500, William Claspy wrote: On 3/3/06 11:21 AM, in article , "Wolfgang" wrote: http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z4E623CBC Anybody recognize the setting? No, but I think that chap's been borrowing my tweed jacket! The description says filmed at (along?) the "Grand Trunk RR", which led me to this: http://www.t-one.net/~bessey/GrandTrunk.html So, the line ran between Detroit and Grand Haven. Potentially the Grand River? I don't know that area very well, perhaps Wayne could chime in. I'm guessing whichever river it is doesn't have brook trout in it any more. Bill According to the American Film Institute it was filmed in the Muskoka Lakes region of Canada. http://www.afi.com/members/catalog/D...=1&Movie=31120 GOD, I LOVE THIS PLACE! :) Thanks, George. Wolfgang o.k., now, who's gonna be first to find the precise gps coordinates? Well here's a picture of a falls (Mereau?) on the Aux Sable River near Massey Ont... looks familiar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aux_Sab..._%28Ontario%29 g.c. Here's another: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/cr...otos/river.jpg According to the web the Aux Sable is a world famous brook trout stream. Its in Chutes Provincial Park. GPS shortly... g.c. |
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"George Cleveland" wrote in message ... On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:50:04 -0600, George Cleveland wrote: On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:40:06 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote: "George Cleveland" wrote in message ... On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 11:35:21 -0500, William Claspy wrote: On 3/3/06 11:21 AM, in article , "Wolfgang" wrote: http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z4E623CBC Anybody recognize the setting? No, but I think that chap's been borrowing my tweed jacket! The description says filmed at (along?) the "Grand Trunk RR", which led me to this: http://www.t-one.net/~bessey/GrandTrunk.html So, the line ran between Detroit and Grand Haven. Potentially the Grand River? I don't know that area very well, perhaps Wayne could chime in. I'm guessing whichever river it is doesn't have brook trout in it any more. Bill According to the American Film Institute it was filmed in the Muskoka Lakes region of Canada. http://www.afi.com/members/catalog/D...=1&Movie=31120 GOD, I LOVE THIS PLACE! :) Thanks, George. Wolfgang o.k., now, who's gonna be first to find the precise gps coordinates? Well here's a picture of a falls (Mereau?) on the Aux Sable River near Massey Ont... looks familiar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aux_Sab..._%28Ontario%29 g.c. Here's another: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/cr...otos/river.jpg According to the web the Aux Sable is a world famous brook trout stream. Its in Chutes Provincial Park. GPS shortly... Amazing! Astounding! You ARE the man! Wolfgang we don't need no steenking librarians. :) |
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On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 10:21:35 -0600, "Wolfgang"
wrote: http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z4E623CBC I've seen those pictures, not the movie, in a book, but I can't remember what book. I've check "Forgotten Flies" and "Carrie Stevens" without any luck. There is a book at Lakewood Camps that has old pictures of the region - can't remember the title- so that may be where I saw it. I'll have to remind myself to check it out on May 15. |
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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message ... On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 10:21:35 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote: http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z4E623CBC I've seen those pictures, not the movie, in a book, but I can't remember what book. I've check "Forgotten Flies" and "Carrie Stevens" without any luck. There is a book at Lakewood Camps that has old pictures of the region - can't remember the title- so that may be where I saw it. I'll have to remind myself to check it out on May 15. Better hurry. At the rate he's going, George will have detailed genealogies of the guys in the film and a chemical analysis of the rock before the end of the weekend. :) Wolfgang |
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"Wolfgang" wrote in message ... "riverman" wrote in message ... "William Claspy" wrote in message ... On 3/3/06 11:21 AM, in article , "Wolfgang" wrote: http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z4E623CBC Anybody recognize the setting? No, but I think that chap's been borrowing my tweed jacket! The description says filmed at (along?) the "Grand Trunk RR", which led me to this: http://www.t-one.net/~bessey/GrandTrunk.html So, the line ran between Detroit and Grand Haven. Potentially the Grand River? I don't know that area very well, perhaps Wayne could chime in. I'm guessing whichever river it is doesn't have brook trout in it any more. Looking at this: http://www.memoriallibrary.com/Trans/RRGaz/CGT/map.htm I'd be surprised if we ever identified that river. There are a lot of little streams in the Grand Trunk RR network. I love old maps! Bill's find was interesting but, while brookies in the southern half of Michigan's lower peninsula as late as 1902 seems plausible, it doesn't strike me as very likely. This map opens up many VERY likely possibilities.....places where brookies are still common today. There isn't much to go on here but judging by the size of the stream (lots of open space visible), the exposed rock, the gentlemanly attire, and the prevalence of coniferous trees, I'm guessing someplace further north and east.....some traditional northeastern holy water. Of course, identifying the precise spot IS virtually impossible.....unless someone happens to recognize it. There's a pretty good chance that it looks very much the same today as it did a century ago. On the same vein, I tried to scour the picture for other types of clues. It appears that the shadows are in front and to the left of the fisherman (as referenced from the direction he is facing). If that is so, from the knowledge that the sun is never in the northern sky when you are north of the tropic of Cancer, then we can assume the sun is probably in the SW or SE, and the river is running eastwards (probably something from SE to NE). Of course, this could be taken on a big bend. If we assume that he is fishing around midday (an assumption not supported by the best time to fish, but I figure those old cameras needed a lot of light to work), then the river is flowing ESE. I can't seem to open the link to see the movie again now, but I was hoping we could see some large glacial striation features in the rock to help us identify north. Or maybe a general trend of the hills in the background (or if they are drumlins, or some other glacial feature). In the northlands, there was a primary glaciation from the far north, however there was a secondary spreading zone from Hudson's bay (hence the orientation of the Finger Lakes' region of NY), and unfortunatley, in the north heartland there was a tertiary spreading zone from Michigan. In the region we are looking at, there could be gross evidence from any of these, so glacial evidence would not be great for a direction indicator. However, there are some well-defined drumlin fields in eastern Michigan that point N-S. There is one link indicating a family named 'Armitage' with associations with the Grand Trunk RR back at the turn of the century: http://nortvoods.net/armitage.html The region is about right: Port Huron, MI. but the initials are wrong (Charles J Armitage instead of FS Armitage). Making the wild assumption that the families might be related, I'd start by looking at southeastward running rivers around the Port Huron region. --riverman |
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"Wolfgang" wrote in message ... "George Cleveland" wrote in message ... On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 11:35:21 -0500, William Claspy wrote: On 3/3/06 11:21 AM, in article , "Wolfgang" wrote: http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z4E623CBC Anybody recognize the setting? No, but I think that chap's been borrowing my tweed jacket! The description says filmed at (along?) the "Grand Trunk RR", which led me to this: http://www.t-one.net/~bessey/GrandTrunk.html So, the line ran between Detroit and Grand Haven. Potentially the Grand River? I don't know that area very well, perhaps Wayne could chime in. I'm guessing whichever river it is doesn't have brook trout in it any more. Bill According to the American Film Institute it was filmed in the Muskoka Lakes region of Canada. http://www.afi.com/members/catalog/D...=1&Movie=31120 GOD, I LOVE THIS PLACE! :) Thanks, George. This is getting fun. This site http://tinyurl.com/ojle2 lists all of FS Armitage's films. There are a whole lot right at the same time as he did this one: a chronological listing would make it pretty easy to find out where he was at that time... --riverman |
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"George Cleveland" wrote in message ... On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:50:04 -0600, George Cleveland wrote: Here's another: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/cr...otos/river.jpg According to the web the Aux Sable is a world famous brook trout stream. Its in Chutes Provincial Park. Absolutely amazing. I think this is precisely where the movie was taken, at lower water. Wow --riverman |
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On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 22:57:31 -0600, Kevin Vang wrote:
In article , says... According to the web the Aux Sable is a world famous brook trout stream. Its in Chutes Provincial Park. a) Shoudn't that be Aux Sables? Yep. b) There's a freakin' Aux Sable river? It's bad enough trying to keep the Au Sable and the Ausable rivers straight. Kevin It turns out the actual name is River aux Sables. The only translation I can find for sable is sand. So maybe all those Au Sables and Auables are really just Sand Rivers. But of course in English sable means ermine, right? g.c. |
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"George Cleveland" wrote in message ... On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 22:57:31 -0600, Kevin Vang wrote: snip But of course in English sable means ermine, right? g.c. No. ermines(weasels) and sables, though fairly closely related (both are mustelidae) are different critters. Bob Weinberger La Grande, OR |
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