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newbe question number one , I have a snow goose just shoot this
spring and would like to ty some flys with it the feathers i am green as can be can any one help- point me in a direction I not sure which feathers to keep or what kind of flys are possible to ty with them |
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"edventures" wrote in message
oups.com... newbe question number one , I have a snow goose just shoot this spring and would like to ty some flys with it the feathers i am green as can be can any one help- point me in a direction I not sure which feathers to keep or what kind of flys are possible to ty with them Eric Leiser's 1973 book Fly Tying Materials has generall advice about handling and storage of feathers. Goose is seldom used and white is of all colours the least used. You can dye goose quill material various colours to use where traditional formulae called for swan or condor. No special use has yet been suggested for goose down and the like (but no one had heard of cul de canard 20 years ago.) -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
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In article ,
"Don Phillipson" wrote: "edventures" wrote in message oups.com... newbe question number one , I have a snow goose just shoot this spring and would like to ty some flys with it the feathers i am green as can be can any one help- point me in a direction I not sure which feathers to keep or what kind of flys are possible to ty with them Goose is seldom used and white is of all colours the least used. WTF are you thinking? What are the top 10 flies for trout? I bet the prince nymph is one. Its main components are brown goose biots and white goose biots. |
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"Richard Herr Harder" wrote in message ... WTF are you thinking? What are the top 10 flies for trout? I bet the prince nymph is one. Its main components are brown goose biots and white goose biots. Hmm....top ten trout flies. Hard to enumerate, since there are several versions of upwing drys that might qualify separately. Nontheless, my thoughts, close to being in order, for the top 10 fish-catchers worldwide a Wolly bugger GRHE EHC PT Wolly worm Adams Parachute Muddler minnow Copper John Some type of ant Prince nymph is down around #15 or 20, in my book. --riverman |
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riverman wrote:
"Richard Herr Harder" wrote in message ... WTF are you thinking? What are the top 10 flies for trout? I bet the prince nymph is one. Its main components are brown goose biots and white goose biots. Hmm....top ten trout flies. Hard to enumerate, since there are several versions of upwing drys that might qualify separately. Nontheless, my thoughts, close to being in order, for the top 10 fish-catchers worldwide a Wolly bugger GRHE EHC PT Wolly worm Adams Parachute Muddler minnow Copper John Some type of ant Prince nymph is down around #15 or 20, in my book. The Copper John uses goose biots as well. I believe that it is now, or recently was, Umpqua's #1 selling fly. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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Richard Herr Harder wrote in news:rhh-2D84E0.22203703042006
@comcast.dca.giganews.com: In article , "Don Phillipson" wrote: "edventures" wrote in message oups.com... newbe question number one , I have a snow goose just shoot this spring and would like to ty some flys with it the feathers i am green as can be can any one help- point me in a direction I not sure which feathers to keep or what kind of flys are possible to ty with them Goose is seldom used and white is of all colours the least used. WTF are you thinking? What are the top 10 flies for trout? I bet the prince nymph is one. Its main components are brown goose biots and white goose biots. So, you found a use for the trailing edge of the primaries, two of which should give him nearly a lifetime supply of biots. Now, what does he do with the rest of the goose? -- Scott Reverse name to reply |
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"Scott Seidman" wrote ... Now, what does he do with the rest of the goose? -- http://tinyurl.com/ecjxv :-) Dan |
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"rw" wrote in message k.net... riverman wrote: "Richard Herr Harder" wrote in message ... WTF are you thinking? What are the top 10 flies for trout? I bet the prince nymph is one. Its main components are brown goose biots and white goose biots. Hmm....top ten trout flies. Hard to enumerate, since there are several versions of upwing drys that might qualify separately. Nontheless, my thoughts, close to being in order, for the top 10 fish-catchers worldwide a Wolly bugger GRHE EHC PT Wolly worm Adams Parachute Muddler minnow Copper John Some type of ant Prince nymph is down around #15 or 20, in my book. The Copper John uses goose biots as well. I believe that it is now, or recently was, Umpqua's #1 selling fly. Most I've seen look more like this: http://www.danica.com/FLYTIER/jwoola...opper_john.htm but I don't doubt that the original had biots. --riverman |
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riverman wrote:
"rw" wrote in message k.net... riverman wrote: "Richard Herr Harder" wrote in message ... WTF are you thinking? What are the top 10 flies for trout? I bet the prince nymph is one. Its main components are brown goose biots and white goose biots. Hmm....top ten trout flies. Hard to enumerate, since there are several versions of upwing drys that might qualify separately. Nontheless, my thoughts, close to being in order, for the top 10 fish-catchers worldwide a Wolly bugger GRHE EHC PT Wolly worm Adams Parachute Muddler minnow Copper John Some type of ant Prince nymph is down around #15 or 20, in my book. The Copper John uses goose biots as well. I believe that it is now, or recently was, Umpqua's #1 selling fly. Most I've seen look more like this: http://www.danica.com/FLYTIER/jwoola...opper_john.htm but I don't doubt that the original had biots. --riverman That version would certainly be easier to tie, and I don't see why it wouldn't be as effective, but this is the more common tie I see. http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flyt...20204fotw.html brians |
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riverman wrote:
"rw" wrote in message k.net... The Copper John uses goose biots as well. I believe that it is now, or recently was, Umpqua's #1 selling fly. Most I've seen look more like this: http://www.danica.com/FLYTIER/jwoola...opper_john.htm but I don't doubt that the original had biots. The standard pattern uses them for the tail. Goose biots are also used on stone fly nymphs and as bodies on dry flies. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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"briansfly" wrote in message news:I2xYf.5625$Py4.899@trnddc06... riverman wrote: "rw" wrote in message k.net... riverman wrote: "Richard Herr Harder" wrote in message ... WTF are you thinking? What are the top 10 flies for trout? I bet the prince nymph is one. Its main components are brown goose biots and white goose biots. Hmm....top ten trout flies. Hard to enumerate, since there are several versions of upwing drys that might qualify separately. Nontheless, my thoughts, close to being in order, for the top 10 fish-catchers worldwide a Wolly bugger GRHE EHC PT Wolly worm Adams Parachute Muddler minnow Copper John Some type of ant Prince nymph is down around #15 or 20, in my book. The Copper John uses goose biots as well. I believe that it is now, or recently was, Umpqua's #1 selling fly. Most I've seen look more like this: http://www.danica.com/FLYTIER/jwoola...opper_john.htm but I don't doubt that the original had biots. --riverman That version would certainly be easier to tie, and I don't see why it wouldn't be as effective, but this is the more common tie I see. http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flyt...20204fotw.html brians Damn, thats a nice set of illustrated instructions. I think I'll try tying some up. But why so specific about 'leading' the copper wire turns with the thread? Seems to me that wrapping the thread to the head, then twisting the wire would have the exact same result. Harry? --riverman |
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"rw" wrote The Copper John uses goose biots as well. I believe that it is now, or recently was, Umpqua's #1 selling fly. A small CJ with bright red goose biot tails is, in my limited experience ( 10-12 days there), a great fly for the Big Lost |
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Larry wrote:
"rw" wrote The Copper John uses goose biots as well. I believe that it is now, or recently was, Umpqua's #1 selling fly. A small CJ with bright red goose biot tails is, in my limited experience ( 10-12 days there), a great fly for the Big Lost That's my experience on the Big Lost, too. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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riverman wrote:
Damn, thats a nice set of illustrated instructions. Harry's tutorials are great. I think I'll try tying some up. But why so specific about 'leading' the copper wire turns with the thread? Seems to me that wrapping the thread to the head, then twisting the wire would have the exact same result. Harry? I think the idea is that it helps to make the wire wraps even and tight. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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"riverman" wrote in :
Damn, thats a nice set of illustrated instructions. I think I'll try tying some up. But why so specific about 'leading' the copper wire turns with the thread? Seems to me that wrapping the thread to the head, then twisting the wire would have the exact same result. Harry? --riverman You can use the thread to apply pressure to the wraps of copper, and make sure that they butt tight. I don't find it very helpful with copper, but it's a damn fine technique with unistretch. I usually use the tag end of whatever material I'm using, and not the main thread. -- Scott Reverse name to reply |
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riverman wrote:
"briansfly" wrote in message news:I2xYf.5625$Py4.899@trnddc06... riverman wrote: "rw" wrote in message link.net... riverman wrote: "Richard Herr Harder" wrote in message ... WTF are you thinking? What are the top 10 flies for trout? I bet the prince nymph is one. Its main components are brown goose biots and white goose biots. Hmm....top ten trout flies. Hard to enumerate, since there are several versions of upwing drys that might qualify separately. Nontheless, my thoughts, close to being in order, for the top 10 fish-catchers worldwide a Wolly bugger GRHE EHC PT Wolly worm Adams Parachute Muddler minnow Copper John Some type of ant Prince nymph is down around #15 or 20, in my book. The Copper John uses goose biots as well. I believe that it is now, or recently was, Umpqua's #1 selling fly. Most I've seen look more like this: http://www.danica.com/FLYTIER/jwoola...opper_john.htm but I don't doubt that the original had biots. --riverman That version would certainly be easier to tie, and I don't see why it wouldn't be as effective, but this is the more common tie I see. http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flyt...20204fotw.html brians Damn, thats a nice set of illustrated instructions. I think I'll try tying some up. But why so specific about 'leading' the copper wire turns with the thread? Seems to me that wrapping the thread to the head, then twisting the wire would have the exact same result. Harry? --riverman I don't want to speak for Harry, but he explains it pretty well in Step #14. The thread and bobbin add additional pressure to the wire, and help keep the wraps tight against each other. I've done it this way, and while it may help, I find it easier to do as you suggested(wrapping the thread up to the head). Also, the partridge legs *look* easy enough to tie in, but it does take some experience before you get them even, and aligned properly. Harry has a excellent tutorial section.....one of the best on the web. He also sells high quality flies at reasonable prices. brians |
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On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 01:11:46 +0800, "riverman"
wrote: Damn, thats a nice set of illustrated instructions. I think I'll try tying some up. But why so specific about 'leading' the copper wire turns with the thread? Seems to me that wrapping the thread to the head, then twisting the wire would have the exact same result. Harry? --riverman The theory is that the bobbins weight will maintain the tightness between each successive wire turn. On small wire I can see this being a real factor, but with medium wire I doubt it has an effect, unless of course, your bobbin weighs in at five pounds. HM |
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"rw" wrote That's my experience on the Big Lost, too. This one http://tinyurl.com/lzf2k has worked very well for me on both of the 'Bigs' in your area .... I've only fished them after mid August, fwiw I suck at nymphing, but I once fished in downtown Ketchum not far from an old (even to me!! ) guy that told me he and his sons had fished the "Bigs" every season since the boys were young ( they looked 35-45 now). We were both nymphing similar water, but he wasn't catching that day and I was. He finally came over to look at my flashy nymph ... he was very distainful of how 'gaudy' it was, but took one when I offered ..... it was probably the one and only time in my life I will outfish anyone, anywhere. |
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Larry wrote:
"rw" wrote That's my experience on the Big Lost, too. This one http://tinyurl.com/lzf2k has worked very well for me on both of the 'Bigs' in your area .... I've only fished them after mid August, fwiw You should try to make it to the Big Wood in June for the Green Drake hatch. It's really something special. This is going to be a high-water year, so bring a wading staff. :-) I'd recommend the Brown Drake hatch on Silver Creek in early June, but it's a zoo -- billionaires arriving on private jets. If you don't mind fishing at night and setting the hook by ear, though, you'll like it. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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"rw" wrote I'd recommend the Brown Drake hatch on Silver Creek in early June, but it's a zoo -- billionaires arriving on private jets. If you don't mind fishing at night and setting the hook by ear, though, you'll like it. I trained dogs for a very nice guy that has a couple big Caterpillar Tractor dealerships in the Fresno area of the Valley ... i.e. big buck dealerships He'd leave his duck dog with me all year except for hunting season and fly up to leave him off or pick him up. The second or third time I met him at the local, tiny, airport I was surprised when he walked up to the truck and I said, "Oh I didn't see your plane come in, just a big blue one." He replied, "Oh, I'm in different one of my planes today." ( he had a personal pilot and all his dogs had to be taught to lie under his feet in the airplanes ) Last time I fished the Big Lost, a couple guys walked towards me in the water ( you know about the locals and having to stay in the water to avoid buckshot ;-) and I said something about "Try to move carefully please, I have a good fish working right over there" pointing. One of them said, "Larry, is that you?" It was my billionaire guy .... your comment about "them" and private planes reminded me off the story G It IS a small world, last year in W.Yellowstone, stopped at a light I hear, "Larry, Larry, over here!" to turn and see a local dog guy I know ... actually I've run into a dozen or more people I know there over the last 5 years. The man that owned the Oakdale paper ( weekly) and I met for the first time on the Firehole two years ago, even though we have several mutual acquaintances ..etc etc |
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Larry wrote:
I trained dogs for a very nice guy that has a couple big Caterpillar Tractor dealerships in the Fresno area of the Valley ... i.e. big buck dealerships He'd leave his duck dog with me all year except for hunting season and fly up to leave him off or pick him up. The second or third time I met him at the local, tiny, airport I was surprised when he walked up to the truck and I said, "Oh I didn't see your plane come in, just a big blue one." He replied, "Oh, I'm in different one of my planes today." ( he had a personal pilot and all his dogs had to be taught to lie under his feet in the airplanes ) One of the first times I fished Silver Creek was a morning Trio "hatch." I'd never fished a trico spinner fall before, but I was prepared and I lucked out. The spinner fall was immense, and by blind luck I'd placed myself right upstream of a huge pod of fish. Easily my best day ever on Silver Creek, so far. Anyway, I ran into these two guys fishing downstream from me -- total novices fishing Royal Wulffs, clipping the water on their backcasts, 3x tippet, and having no luck at all. They thought I was a flyfishing god. Little did they know. :-) They were pilots for Edgar Bronfman Jr., the Seagram's heir and socialite in Ketchum (among other places). He'd just flown in and they had a day off, so they were checking out the fabled Silver Creek. I quizzed them about his jet (he had at least three that they knew of -- Gulfstreams), how much they cost (about $60M each), how much they cost to operate (about $6000/hour), how many crew (3), and so on. These people don't live in the same world we do. Something has happened to this country in the past couple of decades. The distribution of wealth has become dangerously skewed. There will always be rich and poor, but I'm afraid we're becoming an hereditary aristocracy. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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"riverman" wrote in message ...
"Richard Herr Harder" wrote in message ... WTF are you thinking? What are the top 10 flies for trout? I bet the prince nymph is one. Its main components are brown goose biots and white goose biots. Hmm....top ten trout flies. Hard to enumerate, since there are several versions of upwing drys that might qualify separately. Nontheless, my thoughts, close to being in order, for the top 10 fish-catchers worldwide a Wolly bugger GRHE EHC PT Wolly worm Adams Parachute Muddler minnow Copper John Some type of ant Prince nymph is down around #15 or 20, in my book. --riverman Regardless of top ten, I have seen goose biots in a bunch of recipes. Alot of the master tiers say that the hook is like a canvas to an artist. With a little experimenting and fiddling around I bet you could come up with some original patterns out of most any feathers that would grab a fish of some sort. The old Down-easters here in Maine used to catch Mackerel on (about)size one hooks with a bit of red flannel wrapped around. (of course Mackerel aren't known to be finicky) But speaking of top ten.... If you had to stock a fly shop with the most common pattern and size for you customers in the northeast... would you pick that list? and if so.. what sizes do you prefer or think would be most common? I am by no means a fly fishing pro. but have made it quite an addiction over the past 4 or 5 years. and even a second income over the past few months. I find myself struggling to keep the right flies in the shop. I haven't sold enough directly from the shop to make a good guess at what most folks want. My internet orders come from all over so the most common web orders don't tell me what the top ten for Maine would be.. I have stocked up on some buggers, adams, hendrickson, hares ear nymph, muddlers. Thats about the only matches I have to your list. I'm still guessing when I head to the river to fish myself. I look around and try to match whats out there with what I have in my pocket. I try to note the weather and season when I see a hatch. I have read a bunch of posts here and would appreciate some inputs on what you folks expect to see when you head to the local fly shop. Not just flies but tying materials too. I am learning.. the hard and expensive way, that what I think is good and what I want to buy, isn't what my customers are necessarily looking for. _______________________________ www.fly-fishing-flies.com Flies from $5.60 per DOZEN and more! _______________________________ |
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"rw" wrote .. I quizzed them about his jet (he had at least three that they knew of -- Gulfstreams), how much they cost (about $60M each), how much they cost to operate (about $6000/hour), how many crew (3), and so on. These people don't live in the same world we do. Something has happened to this country in the past couple of decades. The distribution of wealth has become dangerously skewed. There will always be rich and poor, but I'm afraid we're becoming an hereditary aristocracy. like everything else, this situation is as it has always been in a seriously capitalistic society: relative. that is, compared to millions of folks in this country, your own economic condition, as you stood chatting in silver creek with those pilots, is just as far fetched to them as that of the pilot's boss's is to you. yfitons wayno(and as mine is to, say, a retired pirate living in the urban northeast) |
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Wayne Harrison wrote:
There will always be rich and poor, but I'm afraid we're becoming an hereditary aristocracy. like everything else, this situation is as it has always been in a seriously capitalistic society: relative. that is, compared to millions of folks in this country, your own economic condition, as you stood chatting in silver creek with those pilots, is just as far fetched to them as that of the pilot's boss's is to you. You missed the point. The problem (as I see it, anyway) is *inherited* wealth. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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"rw" wrote in message .net... Wayne Harrison wrote: There will always be rich and poor, but I'm afraid we're becoming an hereditary aristocracy. like everything else, this situation is as it has always been in a seriously capitalistic society: relative. that is, compared to millions of folks in this country, your own economic condition, as you stood chatting in silver creek with those pilots, is just as far fetched to them as that of the pilot's boss's is to you. You missed the point. The problem (as I see it, anyway) is *inherited* wealth. Thus demonstrating that once again you've missed the point. The problem is disparity. Wolfgang |
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rw typed:
Wayne Harrison wrote: There will always be rich and poor, but I'm afraid we're becoming an hereditary aristocracy. like everything else, this situation is as it has always been in a seriously capitalistic society: relative. that is, compared to millions of folks in this country, your own economic condition, as you stood chatting in silver creek with those pilots, is just as far fetched to them as that of the pilot's boss's is to you. You missed the point. The problem (as I see it, anyway) is *inherited* wealth. As your contribution to society, you're leaving nothing to your kids, right? -- TL, Tim ------------------------- http://css.sbcma.com/timj |
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On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 08:52:20 -0400, "Tim J."
wrote: As your contribution to society, you're leaving nothing to your kids, right? -- Fly rods. I'm leavin' 'em fly rods. Lotsnlots of fly rods. And a fast car or two..... |
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Tim J. wrote:
rw typed: Wayne Harrison wrote: There will always be rich and poor, but I'm afraid we're becoming an hereditary aristocracy. like everything else, this situation is as it has always been in a seriously capitalistic society: relative. that is, compared to millions of folks in this country, your own economic condition, as you stood chatting in silver creek with those pilots, is just as far fetched to them as that of the pilot's boss's is to you. You missed the point. The problem (as I see it, anyway) is *inherited* wealth. As your contribution to society, you're leaving nothing to your kids, right? I'm leaving them something, but not millions, let alone billions. "The essence of the American experiment is our collective rejection of European hereditary aristocracy and grotesque inequalities of wealth. When Alexis de Tocqueville visited the United States in the mid-nineteenth century, he noted that equality of condition permeated the American spirit: 'The American experiment presupposes a rejection of inherited privilege.' In the words of novelist John Dos Passos, 'rejection of Europe is what America is all about.' "The nation's founders and populace viewed excessive concentrations of wealth as incompatible with the ideals of the new nation. Revolutionary era visitors to Europe, including Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, and Ben Franklin, were aghast at the wide disparities of wealth and poverty they observed. They surmised that these great European inequalities were the result of an aristocratic system of land transfers, hereditary political power, and monopoly." from: Wealth And Our Commonwealth by William H. Gates and Chuck Collins Why America Should Tax Accumulated Fortunes http://www.thinkingpeace.com/Lib/lib017.html -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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"rw" wrote You missed the point. The problem (as I see it, anyway) is *inherited* wealth. I agree with you rw Circumstances have lead to me meeting a large number of very wealthy people, both people that worked hard and worked smart to make that money and people that have never done a thing useful for society in their pampered lives. As individuals, I've come to highly respect most of the first and despise most of the latter. It is my belief that limits should exist on how much can be passed on ... I think 'death taxes' are good taxes. Certainly the limit should be high enough so that a rich man can leave each child enough to live off of for life .... more than most of us can ever hope to have .... but not many many millions, or billions. To answer Tim J's question ... if I were very rich, I'd leave my son enough that he could live on it for life, or if he had his own spark use it to grow his own true fortune ... but the vast majority of 'my' money would go to causes I believe in. One major reason I wouldn't leave my child pampered way beyond his own efforts ... is, because I love him |
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"Larry" wrote in message ... "rw" wrote You missed the point. The problem (as I see it, anyway) is *inherited* wealth. I agree with you rw Circumstances have lead to me meeting a large number of very wealthy people, both people that worked hard and worked smart to make that money and people that have never done a thing useful for society in their pampered lives. As individuals, I've come to highly respect most of the first and despise most of the latter. It is my belief that limits should exist on how much can be passed on ... I think 'death taxes' are good taxes. Certainly the limit should be high enough so that a rich man can leave each child enough to live off of for life .... more than most of us can ever hope to have .... but not many many millions, or billions. To answer Tim J's question ... if I were very rich, I'd leave my son enough that he could live on it for life, or if he had his own spark use it to grow his own true fortune ... but the vast majority of 'my' money would go to causes I believe in. One major reason I wouldn't leave my child pampered way beyond his own efforts ... is, because I love him I agree with you. Having money makes it much easier to make more money: the startup businessman who is putting his nest egg on the line doesn't stand a chance against the guy who has millions to lose until he gets it right. Inheritance gives an incredible advantage to the wealthy to get wealthier, generation after generation, while making it harder for the lower and middle class person to make wealth. I read a statistic the other day that said something to the tone of 30 years ago, the discrepancy between the wealthiest 5% and the lowest 5% i the US was that the top 5% had 10 times as much money. Now its more like 200 times. Of course, those aren't the real numbers, but it was staggering how much more wealth had been amassed in the top few percentage. --riverman |
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"riverman" wrote in message ... "Larry" wrote in message ... I agree with you. Having money makes it much easier to make more money: the startup businessman who is putting his nest egg on the line doesn't stand a chance against the guy who has millions to lose until he gets it right. Inheritance gives an incredible advantage to the wealthy to get wealthier, generation after generation, while making it harder for the lower and middle class person to make wealth. I read a statistic the other day that said something to the tone of 30 years ago, the discrepancy between the wealthiest 5% and the lowest 5% i the US was that the top 5% had 10 times as much money. Now its more like 200 times. Of course, those aren't the real numbers, but it was staggering how much more wealth had been amassed in the top few percentage. http://multinationalmonitor.org/mm20...iewswolff.html --riverman |
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I'm available for adoption. Then again, with my track record, you'll
definately outlive me. Frank Reid |
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"rw" wrote One of the first times I fished Silver Creek was a morning Trio "hatch." I'd never fished a trico spinner fall before, but I was prepared and I lucked out. The spinner fall was immense, and by blind luck I'd placed myself right upstream of a huge pod of fish. Easily my best day ever on Silver Creek, so far. Every fly fisher should get to see one of those pods of chomping trout someday ( pick a day when I'm not going to be there ;-) They thought I was a flyfishing god. Little did they know. :-) those trico falls are a prime example of a time when the right fly and presentation is critical and the "I always fish a parachute Adams" types go away muttering to themselves ..... generally, you either catch a ton of fish, or none ... on spring creeks in a major hatch ( been there, done both ) |
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"Kevin Vang" wrote in message t... In article . com, says... I'm available for adoption. Then again, with my track record, you'll definately outlive me. On the other hand, if you're a glass-is-half-full kinda guy, you could conclude that since nothing has killed you yet, you are probably immortal. Kevin Well, most of us are. Right up to that last instant.... --riverman |
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Jonathan Cook wrote:
Larry wrote: It is my belief that limits should exist on how much can be passed on In general I agree, but in practice this becomes difficult sometimes. I am adamantly opposed to families forced to sell or break up a family ranch just to pay inheritance or property taxes. The notion that the estate tax forces the breakup of family farms is a myth: According to the IRS, of the 2.3 million people who died in 1998, only 642 left farm assets equal to at least half the total estate. In 2001, the New York Times reported that the pro-repeal American Farm Bureau Foundation could not cite a single case of a family farm lost due to the estate tax. Many of the wealthiest "farmers" aren’t really farmers at all. A significant number of the “farmers” who would benefit from estate tax repeal are actually city-dwellers who own a ranch or horse farm as a vacation getaway. from http://www.faireconomy.org/estatetax/ETFarms.html -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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"rw" wrote in message k.net... These people don't live in the same world we do. Something has happened to this country in the past couple of decades. The distribution of wealth has become dangerously skewed. There will always be rich and poor, but I'm afraid we're becoming an hereditary aristocracy. NPR related a study/survey that said that the 1% of the U.S. population has/owns/controls 33% of the wealth, currently. Additionally, the study/survey suggested that the Bush tax cuts were *likely* responsible. And: "Day to Day, March 10, 2006 · The exclusive club of billionaires around the world jumped to a record 793 over the past year -- and according to Forbes magazine's 2006 rankings of the world's richest people, their combined wealth grew to more than $2 trillion. Madeleine Brand talks to Bob Moon of Marketplace about the good fortune of the world's billionaires." http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=5256403 Moreover: "One percent of the US population owns sixty percent of the stock and forty percent of the total wealth." http://www.endgame.org/primer-wealth.html Op |
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Larry wrote:
"rw" wrote You missed the point. The problem (as I see it, anyway) is *inherited* wealth. To answer Tim J's question ... if I were very rich, I'd leave my son enough that he could live on it for life, or if he had his own spark use it to grow his own true fortune ... but the vast majority of 'my' money would go to causes I believe in. One major reason I wouldn't leave my child pampered way beyond his own efforts ... is, because I love him in contrast...if i believed my son capable and of good mind and heart (which i do...well, he's got a heart far superior to mine and a mind that means to do good), i'd leave him everything i'd been able to accumulate and that was available for bequest at my death. i'd prefer to pamper my son beyond his own efforts because i love him and because i'm skeptical of most good causes i can neither control nor kiss. |
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rw wrote:
Jonathan Cook wrote: Larry wrote: It is my belief that limits should exist on how much can be passed on In general I agree, but in practice this becomes difficult sometimes. I am adamantly opposed to families forced to sell or break up a family ranch just to pay inheritance or property taxes. The notion that the estate tax forces the breakup of family farms is a myth: According to the IRS, of the 2.3 million people who died in 1998, only 642 left farm assets equal to at least half the total estate. In 2001, the New York Times reported that the pro-repeal American Farm Bureau Foundation could not cite a single case of a family farm lost due to the estate tax. Many of the wealthiest "farmers" aren’t really farmers at all. A significant number of the “farmers” who would benefit from estate tax repeal are actually city-dwellers who own a ranch or horse farm as a vacation getaway. from http://www.faireconomy.org/estatetax/ETFarms.html in nc, the loss of family farms has nothing to do with the estate tax. urban development, the meager profit to be made, and the lack of interest by farmer's children in farming seem to be the things destroying farms here. nc never had the large number of huge farming operations i've read about in some other states, but now it seems that only the huge farms are surviving. |
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Jeff Miller wrote:
rw wrote: The notion that the estate tax forces the breakup of family farms is a myth: According to the IRS, of the 2.3 million people who died in 1998, only 642 left farm assets equal to at least half the total estate. In 2001, the New York Times reported that the pro-repeal American Farm Bureau Foundation could not cite a single case of a family farm lost due to the estate tax. Many of the wealthiest "farmers" aren’t really farmers at all. A significant number of the “farmers” who would benefit from estate tax repeal are actually city-dwellers who own a ranch or horse farm as a vacation getaway. from http://www.faireconomy.org/estatetax/ETFarms.html in nc, the loss of family farms has nothing to do with the estate tax. urban development, the meager profit to be made, and the lack of interest by farmer's children in farming seem to be the things destroying farms here. nc never had the large number of huge farming operations i've read about in some other states, but now it seems that only the huge farms are surviving. It's pretty much the same with the ranchers I know in Idaho. The land gets passed down through generations, with more and more complicated and competing interests. Some of the descendants want to continue ranching, but more often than not they don't. They want to cash out. Profitable farming and ranching is now big business. The "family farm" is a myth. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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