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Anyone know how Wal-Mart became such a huge supporter of Bass-Fishing?
Seems like they're pumping in millions of dollars into the sport, and nothing on fly-fishing. -tom |
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Tom Nakashima wrote: Anyone know how Wal-Mart became such a huge supporter of Bass-Fishing? Seems like they're pumping in millions of dollars into the sport, and nothing on fly-fishing. -tom Sounds like you have led a fairly insulated life Tom. You need to spend more time at Wal-Mart. I don't know if there are any on the pensula but if so those would not be typical. Pick one between Stockton and Bakersfield. Wal-MArt doesn't pump money into anything, they suck it out. |
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Tom Nakashima wrote:
Anyone know how Wal-Mart became such a huge supporter of Bass-Fishing? Walmart isn't a "supporter" of bass fishing. They're an "exploiter" of bass fishing. Seems like they're pumping in millions of dollars into the sport, and nothing on fly-fishing. Good, so far. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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Tom Nakashima wrote: Anyone know how Wal-Mart became such a huge supporter of Bass-Fishing? Seems like they're pumping in millions of dollars into the sport, and nothing on fly-fishing. -tom Now that the agenda-based responses are in, let me give you my best guess. Wal-Mart is HQ'd in NW Arkansas, very near the White River lakes. Of more significance is the fact that the large majority of WM stores are located in bass fishing areas, and their clientelle are much more likely to be bass (and catfish) fishermen than fly fishermen. It has been my experience that the sporting goods clerks in most WM's are very knowledgeable EXCEPT in fly fishing. They exploit fishing like grocery stores exploit hunger. cheers oz |
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BJ Conner wrote:
Tom Nakashima wrote: Anyone know how Wal-Mart became such a huge supporter of Bass-Fishing? Seems like they're pumping in millions of dollars into the sport, and nothing on fly-fishing. -tom Sounds like you have led a fairly insulated life Tom. You need to spend more time at Wal-Mart. I don't know if there are any on the pensula but if so those would not be typical. There's one by the Sears at San Antonio and El Camino Real. It's typical, exactly like the one in Boise. It's full of obese women with obese children and obese dads wearing NASCAR T-shirts, one paycheck away from eviction, buying the same cheap ****. Competitive bass fishing fits their demographic perfectly. Pick one between Stockton and Bakersfield. Pick one between Stockton and Bakersfield. Wal-MArt doesn't pump money into anything, they suck it out. You said it. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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MajorOz wrote:
They exploit fishing like grocery stores exploit hunger. from "Retailers lure fishermen with tourneys as bait" Discount Store News, June 23, 1997 by Mike Troy "[Fishing is] a merchandise-intensive pastime on which 46 million participants spend more on equipment than golfers and tennis players combined. That statistic has never been lost on Wal-Mart and Kmart, which for years have sold licenses in virtually all their stores and have been top-of-mind destinations among those with equipment needs. To capitalize and contribute to the trend, Wal-Mart and Kmart are pursuing a strategy of major bass tournament sponsorships. If successful, the sponsorships will increase sales by enhancing the retailers' image among a group of fishing equipment consumers regarded as the industry's trendsetters and most voracious consumers." They're not sponsoring bass tournaments to sell fishing tackle. It's to advertise their entire inventory of low-end consumer crap. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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MajorOz wrote: Tom Nakashima wrote: Anyone know how Wal-Mart became such a huge supporter of Bass-Fishing? Seems like they're pumping in millions of dollars into the sport, and nothing on fly-fishing. -tom Now that the agenda-based responses are in, let me give you my best guess. Wal-Mart is HQ'd in NW Arkansas, very near the White River lakes. Of more significance is the fact that the large majority of WM stores are located in bass fishing areas, and their clientelle are much more likely to be bass (and catfish) fishermen than fly fishermen. It has been my experience that the sporting goods clerks in most WM's are very knowledgeable EXCEPT in fly fishing. They exploit fishing like grocery stores exploit hunger. cheers Retailing is about sales in $/SqFt/Year. Wal-Mart does pretty good at it. Target likewise. The average fly shop probably does 1/100 of what either of those stores do. If there was a fly fishing area in a major chain store doing what the average fly shop $/SqFt/Year business they would be gone in a New York minute. joke Two fly shop owners split a Power Ball ticket and win. The both get $50,000,000. The local TV stations interviews them both. Reporter; Fred what are you going to do with your money? Fred "I am goint to New Zealand and then the Seychelles and after that who knows but it fish, fish, fish". Reporter " and Bill what about you?" Bill- " I think I just keep running the shop until it's all gone" |
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I accept that there may be a legitimate arguement for not shopping
there based on the fact that much of the stuff is made in slave labor camps in RedChina. Other than that, I have never understood the elitism that causes some people to look down their noses at the store and the people who shop there. I can only attribute it to terminal yuppiness. cheers oz |
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MajorOz wrote:
I accept that there may be a legitimate arguement for not shopping there based on the fact that much of the stuff is made in slave labor camps in RedChina. Other than that, I have never understood the elitism that causes some people to look down their noses at the store and the people who shop there. I can only attribute it to terminal yuppiness. cheers Well, besides them selling crap, union busting, employing illegal aliens, destroying the business communities of small towns, squeezing their suppliers out of business and outsourcing their goods to China -- besides all that -- there's that little detail of Wal-Mart foisting health care and other essential services for their underpaid employees onto the taxpayers. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:56:47 -0600, rw
wrote: BJ Conner wrote: Tom Nakashima wrote: Anyone know how Wal-Mart became such a huge supporter of Bass-Fishing? Seems like they're pumping in millions of dollars into the sport, and nothing on fly-fishing. -tom Sounds like you have led a fairly insulated life Tom. You need to spend more time at Wal-Mart. I don't know if there are any on the pensula but if so those would not be typical. There's one by the Sears at San Antonio and El Camino Real. It's typical, exactly like the one in Boise. It's full of obese women with obese children and obese dads wearing NASCAR T-shirts, one paycheck away from eviction, buying the same cheap ****. Assuming it to be true, that says as much about the population of Boise (and wherever the other is located) as it does Walmart...not to mention that yet again, your positions are at odds with each other. Or are you just regularly hanging out to make sure there is not any svelte fartin'-through-silk types in there but you? IAC, Google up info about Walmart in places like Plano, TX and Charleston, SC - sushi (with actual sushi chefs), decent wines, suits, 5-8000 title book departments, etc. Hell, Sam's sells more diamonds than anyone else in the US (and high carat, top quality stones, too). And I've yet to see Walmart personnel dragging anyone, fat or skinny, dressed in NASCAR T-shirts or Henry Poole and Co. (or even, should one possibly somehow manage it, a Poole NASCAR T-shirt...), into a store... |
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"rw" wrote in message m... There's one by the Sears at San Antonio and El Camino Real. It's typical, exactly like the one in Boise. It's full of obese women with obese children and obese dads wearing NASCAR T-shirts, one paycheck away from eviction, buying the same cheap ****. Competitive bass fishing fits their demographic perfectly. I take it that you interviewed each family to find out that they were "one paycheck from eviction!?" Op |
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"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message ... Anyone know how Wal-Mart became such a huge supporter of Bass-Fishing? Seems like they're pumping in millions of dollars into the sport, and nothing on fly-fishing. -tom It's simple really. Wal-Mart sells fishing merchandise that appeals to the largest fishing demographic. Op |
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"MajorOz" wrote in message oups.com... I accept that there may be a legitimate arguement for not shopping there based on the fact that much of the stuff is made in slave labor camps in RedChina. Other than that, I have never understood the elitism that causes some people to look down their noses at the store and the people who shop there. I can only attribute it to terminal yuppiness. cheers oz Amen Brother! Op |
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"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message ... Anyone know how Wal-Mart became such a huge supporter of Bass-Fishing? Seems like they're pumping in millions of dollars into the sport, and nothing on fly-fishing. -tom Another thing. Have you ever looked at the fly fishing section of a Bass Pro Shop, compared to the rest of their fishing gear. Think in terms of sq. footage. Op |
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Sushi at Wal-Mart in Plano.
More proor that you can't buy class but you can keep trying. |
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BJ Conner wrote:
Sushi at Wal-Mart in Plano. More proor that you can't buy class but you can keep trying. It's probably catfish sushi. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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Mr. Opus McDopus wrote:
"rw" wrote in message m... There's one by the Sears at San Antonio and El Camino Real. It's typical, exactly like the one in Boise. It's full of obese women with obese children and obese dads wearing NASCAR T-shirts, one paycheck away from eviction, buying the same cheap ****. Competitive bass fishing fits their demographic perfectly. I take it that you interviewed each family to find out that they were "one paycheck from eviction!?" It's a quote from H. Lee Scott, Jr., Wal-Mart's CEO. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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"rw" wrote in message m... It's a quote from H. Lee Scott, Jr., Wal-Mart's CEO. Funny? I missed the quotations in your post and read it as if you were relating your own experience. Op |
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Mr. Opus McDopus wrote:
"rw" wrote in message m... It's a quote from H. Lee Scott, Jr., Wal-Mart's CEO. Funny? I missed the quotations in your post and read it as if you were relating your own experience. It is my own experience. It just happens to match H. Lee Scott, Jr.'s quote. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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"rw" wrote in message m... Mr. Opus McDopus wrote: "rw" wrote in message m... It's a quote from H. Lee Scott, Jr., Wal-Mart's CEO. Funny? I missed the quotations in your post and read it as if you were relating your own experience. It is my own experience. It just happens to match H. Lee Scott, Jr.'s quote. Oh! I get it, you're psychic. I should have know, right away, as empathy oozes from every one of your keystrokes. Op |
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"MajorOz" wrote in message oups.com... I accept that there may be a legitimate arguement for not shopping there based on the fact that much of the stuff is made in slave labor camps in RedChina. Other than that, I have never understood the elitism that causes some people to look down their noses at the store and the people who shop there. I can only attribute it to terminal yuppiness. Is that the same disease that causes people to look down their noses at those who don't have a T&T rod? The ones that use a reel that cost more than their SUV? The ones that fish only small streams. (can't cast over 30ft?) The ones for whom the technique is more important that catching fish? THOSE Yuppies? Not in this group. No way. Mark (Tongue planted firmly in cheek) |
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"rw" wrote in message m... Mr. Opus McDopus wrote: "rw" wrote in message m... It's a quote from H. Lee Scott, Jr., Wal-Mart's CEO. Funny? I missed the quotations in your post and read it as if you were relating your own experience. It is my own experience. It just happens to match H. Lee Scott, Jr.'s quote. Hm..... So, does that make you an obese woman or an obese child? Wolfgang the boy just WILL NOT learn. |
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Sad but true - I've seen it happen:
http://www.walmartmovie.com/wmtv/200...appened_to.php They start with the pharmacies and work their way through town. Gene "rw" wrote in message ... Tom Nakashima wrote: Anyone know how Wal-Mart became such a huge supporter of Bass-Fishing? Walmart isn't a "supporter" of bass fishing. They're an "exploiter" of bass fishing. Seems like they're pumping in millions of dollars into the sport, and nothing on fly-fishing. Good, so far. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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One quick observation ...My little town in Michigan's UP Walmart just
expanded into a Superstore selling groceries. I'm saving alot of money on food. That trumps alot of bull-****.. Lou "MajorOz" wrote in message oups.com... I accept that there may be a legitimate arguement for not shopping there based on the fact that much of the stuff is made in slave labor camps in RedChina. Other than that, I have never understood the elitism that causes some people to look down their noses at the store and the people who shop there. I can only attribute it to terminal yuppiness. cheers oz |
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Mark W. Oots (no spam) wrote: .......The ones that use a reel that cost more than their SUV? .... I'm not sure that this says what I believe you intended it to say :-) |
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"Louis Owen" wrote in message ... One quick observation ...My little town in Michigan's UP Walmart just expanded into a Superstore selling groceries. I'm saving alot of money on food. That trumps alot of bull-****.. Lou Unfortuantely, to too many it appears to trump pretty much anything and everything. And thats not bull****. --riverman |
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On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:38:52 -0600, rw
wrote: BJ Conner wrote: Sushi at Wal-Mart in Plano. More proor that you can't buy class but you can keep trying. It's probably catfish sushi. Could be, but I'm still waiting to hear about y'all's favorite local home-town cheap crap purveyors that Walmart put out of business... Walmart hasn't, won't, and couldn't do many, if any, of the places with which I regularly trade any harm, much less put them out of business... |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:38:52 -0600, rw wrote: BJ Conner wrote: Sushi at Wal-Mart in Plano. More proor that you can't buy class but you can keep trying. JC McIntosh writes---some of us think of buying "class" but just don"t want to pay the price..Visited a big Dillard"s dept store in Atlanta last week, while my wife gazed at the shoe assortment I ventured over to study the sport coat I wanted. A nice light weight plaid herringbone { as per English manor wear } was selected but the made in China {probably by slave {?} labor } and the price {$698} tag turned me away. Certainly I could acquire one of those shirts with a horse stamped on it.{ all the guys at the club wear.them} the short sleeved sort of wrinkled white one on display was on sale for only $99.00. As it was made in Thailand I passed on this purchase also. Sure glad I traded Choc out of that fishing shirt at the clave, I "feel" classy when adorned. |
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Two reasons. One, to sell cheap Chinese-made merchandise. Two, to get
the 25-50 year old men into the store to buy more stuff. It's your choice to exercise your economic power. And it's your choice to exercise your political power. Don't like them, then boycott them. I do. |
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On 22 Apr 2006 14:19:38 -0700, "MajorOz"
wrote: wrote: ...I'm still waiting to hear about y'all's favorite local home-town cheap crap purveyors that Walmart put out of business... Walmart hasn't, won't, and couldn't do many, if any, of the places with which I regularly trade any harm, much less put them out of business... That is true almost everywhere WM has located. In most cases, they IMPROVE local options, by bringing in other stores -- kind of the "anchor stor" concept in a shopping mall. And, yes, the "mom-and-pop" stores are still there -- they are called "7-11" Virtually all the whining is done by union activists and the Amy Goodman types. When Walmart opened a store in my small town, I thought that would be the end of the good hardware stores. Not so. The original three are still open after many years of WM, and they will never be displaced by them. |
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Bass fishing is one of the largest recreational sports in this country.
Bass are the most sought after gamefish. There are very few places where fly fishing is "big" industry. I live in Montana and the two local WM superstores have 3 rows of hardware and tackle and about 3 linear feet of shelf space for "fly fishing". It's all crappy product, too, in that 3 feet of space. Sam Walton didn't get filthy stinking rich going after niche markets. WM markets mass consumers and bass fishing is "mass fishing". Why not exploit it? I don't have anything against bass and fly fish for them from time to time, but the more people there are bass fishing, the more peace and quiet I have on my favorite stream. |
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Dave LaCourse wrote: On 22 Apr 2006 14:19:38 -0700, "MajorOz" wrote: wrote: ...I'm still waiting to hear about y'all's favorite local home-town cheap crap purveyors that Walmart put out of business... Walmart hasn't, won't, and couldn't do many, if any, of the places with which I regularly trade any harm, much less put them out of business... That is true almost everywhere WM has located. In most cases, they IMPROVE local options, by bringing in other stores -- kind of the "anchor stor" concept in a shopping mall. And, yes, the "mom-and-pop" stores are still there -- they are called "7-11" Virtually all the whining is done by union activists and the Amy Goodman types. When Walmart opened a store in my small town, I thought that would be the end of the good hardware stores. Not so. The original three are still open after many years of WM, and they will never be displaced by them. How many of the folks at the old stores are family? How many of the employees at the WM are on food stamps and other forms of public assistance? Ironic it would be if the folks at old stores are hanging on and paying taxes to subsidize WM. |
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On 23 Apr 2006 18:05:46 -0700, "BJ Conner"
wrote: How many of the folks at the old stores are family? None that I know of. The Ace Hardware store, the largest, has employed the same folks for years, and none are related. The owner lives down the road from me. How many of the employees at the WM are on food stamps and other forms of public assistance? Why should they be. They work 40 hour weeks, and are married to other folks who are employed. Ironic it would be if the folks at old stores are hanging on and paying taxes to subsidize WM. Yeah, that would be funny in your world. But it ain't happenin' in the real world. |
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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message ... Why should they be. They work 40 hour weeks, and are married to other folks who are employed. Not entirely true. |
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wrote in message ... Could be, but I'm still waiting to hear about y'all's favorite local home-town cheap crap purveyors that Walmart put out of business... Oh come on Richard, you;ve probably forgotten more about the world of retail than I've ever known. The literature is full of references to WalMart's power to change the marketplace and the retail habits, especially in smaller, less diverse, areas. Perhaps walmart did not set out to put mom and pop out of business, but when walmart can retail toothpaste and chunky soup for less than it costs mom and pop because of their volume-mom and pop aren't selling much toothpaste. If mom and pop can not change their way of doing business than mom and pop are out of business. The landscape is littered with companies that could not compete in the market place, one can argue truthfully that Walmart is doing what businesses have always wanted to do, just better than everyone else. One can also argue truthfully that the local proprietor can not always change his/her business model to compete on a level playing field. Walmart in Indianapolis is not having the effect that Walmart in Dodge City KS had and has. Most or all of their non-chain competition is gone. A significant number of employee's children in Dodge are dependent upon the state of Kansas to pay for their healthcare and that Walmart generally speaking did not take part nor sponsor in many community activities. The workplace issues are well documented in terms of wage/hour violations, immigration issues, and benefits or the lack thereof. They've got a good business model for sure but there is also a social costs beyond cheaper toothpaste. |
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On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 00:12:08 -0400, "Wayne Knight"
wrote: wrote in message .. . Could be, but I'm still waiting to hear about y'all's favorite local home-town cheap crap purveyors that Walmart put out of business... Um, first, I'm making reference to those, such as Stevie and Beej, who claim Walmart sells nothing but cheap crap yet are putting small operations (that they ostensibly would wish to patronize) out of business. Oh come on Richard, you;ve probably forgotten more about the world of retail than I've ever known. The literature is full of references to WalMart's power to change the marketplace and the retail habits, especially in smaller, less diverse, areas. Perhaps walmart did not set out to put mom and pop out of business, but when walmart can retail toothpaste and chunky soup for less than it costs mom and pop because of their volume-mom and pop aren't selling much toothpaste. If mom and pop can not change their way of doing business than mom and pop are out of business. The landscape is littered with companies that could not compete in the market place, one can argue truthfully that Walmart is doing what businesses have always wanted to do, just better than everyone else. One can also argue truthfully that the local proprietor can not always change his/her business model to compete on a level playing field. And you're forgotten more about accounting than I'll ever know, and so, I'm sure you'll understand that Walmart does not get what amounts to a subsidy on things like healthcare, etc. by virtue of public assistance programs. If Walmart were to pay even part-time associates 20USD an hour with healthcare and other benefits, they'd not be able to sell things at the same prices, and so, the consumer (including the associates themselves) would have to pay more across the board, be it at Walmart or wherever. And few such companies pre-Walmart offered company-wide benefits and few do today - not many "mom-n-pop" operations pay big bucks and/or provide benefits. And FWIW, at Walmart, full-timers and department managers and above generally get good benefits. Walmart in Indianapolis is not having the effect that Walmart in Dodge City KS had and has. Most or all of their non-chain competition is gone. A significant number of employee's children in Dodge are dependent upon the state of Kansas to pay for their healthcare and that Walmart generally speaking did not take part nor sponsor in many community activities. The workplace issues are well documented in terms of wage/hour violations, immigration issues, and benefits or the lack thereof. They've got a good business model for sure but there is also a social costs beyond cheaper toothpaste. Actually, Walmart as company has changed quite a bit on the "social" front since Sam died. He really didn't believe in companies doing "charity" things (he did do stuff personally, just not through Walmart). Now, with the younger generation and "outsiders" in some control, things are rapidly changing. Google up the Walmart Foundation, look at what Walmart did for both employees and communities after Katrina, even look at the Walton family - for example, Alice's museum, etc. TC, R |
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"Mr. Opus McDopus" wrote in message ... "Tom Nakashima" wrote in message ... Anyone know how Wal-Mart became such a huge supporter of Bass-Fishing? Seems like they're pumping in millions of dollars into the sport, and nothing on fly-fishing. -tom It's simple really. Wal-Mart sells fishing merchandise that appeals to the largest fishing demographic. Op Aside from the political talk... I just don't recall bass fishing ever being that popular, until they started holding bass tournaments and the name Wal-Mart attached. I wake up early on the weekends, built-in clock that I have and sometimes thumb through the channels between sports center, hunting and bass fishing. I think I've only seen one fly-fishing show, and that was on sal****er. Since these tournaments, bass fishing has caught fire, and they now have armature bass tournaments which not only feeds money to Wal-Mart, but other fishing and boat companies as well. In a way I'm kind of glad fly-fishing makes up a small percentage of the fishing world. OT #1: This weekend I purchased a book on Trout Flies at a local book store. When I brought the book to the counter to make payment, the clerk asked; "Fly-Fisherman?" I smiled and nodded my head. Then he went on and on about how he was a semi-pro bass fisherman, has his own boat, I was more embarrassed about holding up the line behind me...I just wanted to get the hell out of there. My wife asked; "are all fisherman like that?" Not the ones in ROFF wink OT #2: Interesting facts; I was watching the travel station on Alaska yesterday, didn't know over 200,000 fishermen visit Alaska every year, and they have more water per square mile than the rest of the 49 states put together. Most of the rivers in Alaska are only accessible by seaplane. -tom |
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Tom Nakashima wrote:
I wake up early on the weekends, built-in clock that I have snip snip and they now have armature bass tournaments A wicked good pun, Tom, wiched good. -- Stan Gula http://gula.org/roffswaps |
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On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 23:49:10 -0400, "Wayne Knight"
wrote: "Dave LaCourse" wrote in message .. . Why should they be. They work 40 hour weeks, and are married to other folks who are employed. Not entirely true. I know two women who work at the local WM. One used to own a dry cleaning shop with her husband. He now works for someone else, and she works full-time at WM. They own their own home. They get by. The other is a woman who has worked for WM for years and is now some kind of supervisor/dept head. Her husband works with a pavement company. They own a modest home and seem to get by. Is everyone at WM as fortunate as they? Of course not. Would it matter if they all joined a union? |
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