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rw May 6th, 2006 07:58 PM

Fawn Lake
 
A friend sent me a copy of the book Yellowstone Fishes. It has a
Checklist of Fish Known in Yellowstone Waters. Fawn Lake is in the
checklist. It has brook trout.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Ken Fortenberry May 6th, 2006 10:01 PM

Fawn Lake
 
rw wrote:
A friend sent me a copy of the book Yellowstone Fishes. It has a
Checklist of Fish Known in Yellowstone Waters. Fawn Lake is in the
checklist. It has brook trout.


If the so-called Fawn Lake is such a great fishing spot then
those who hiked up there last year will certainly want to hike
up there again this year.

I await the trip report with bated breath. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

Wolfgang May 6th, 2006 10:36 PM

Fawn Lake
 

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
. com...
rw wrote:
A friend sent me a copy of the book Yellowstone Fishes. It has a
Checklist of Fish Known in Yellowstone Waters. Fawn Lake is in the
checklist. It has brook trout.


If the so-called Fawn Lake is such a great fishing spot then
those who hiked up there last year will certainly want to hike
up there again this year.


I don't recall anyone making a claim of fantastic fishing at Fawn Lake. The
question debated here had to do with whether or not the lake exists, one
party adamantly insisting that it does not, and the opposing camp unable to
come up with anything better than national park literature, maps, air
photos, satellite photos, testimonial evidence from several witnesses, and
on the ground photos taken by at least one of those witnesses.

I await the trip report with bated breath. ;-)


Considering where your head resides, I'd recommend holding your breath for
as long as possible.

Wolfgang



Ken Fortenberry May 6th, 2006 10:54 PM

Fawn Lake
 
Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
rw wrote:
A friend sent me a copy of the book Yellowstone Fishes. It has a
Checklist of Fish Known in Yellowstone Waters. Fawn Lake is in the
checklist. It has brook trout.

If the so-called Fawn Lake is such a great fishing spot then
those who hiked up there last year will certainly want to hike
up there again this year.


I don't recall anyone making a claim of fantastic fishing at Fawn Lake.


I recall someone recommending that so-called lake as a great
place to camp and fish. Someone was wrong. What remains to be
seen is if someone will be pertinacious enough to hike up there
for the second year in a row.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Wolfgang May 7th, 2006 12:05 AM

Fawn Lake
 

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
. com...
Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
rw wrote:
A friend sent me a copy of the book Yellowstone Fishes. It has a
Checklist of Fish Known in Yellowstone Waters. Fawn Lake is in the
checklist. It has brook trout.
If the so-called Fawn Lake is such a great fishing spot then
those who hiked up there last year will certainly want to hike
up there again this year.


I don't recall anyone making a claim of fantastic fishing at Fawn Lake.


I recall someone recommending that so-called lake as a great
place to camp and fish. Someone was wrong. What remains to be
seen is if someone will be pertinacious enough to hike up there
for the second year in a row.


Well, no one.....least of all you, it would appear.....is responsible for
what you recall. At any rate, Fawn Lake may well be a great place to camp
and fish, even if the fishing is not fantastic. The funny thing about
abysmal readers isn't so much that they're abysmal readers.....um.....well,
o.k., that IS funny enough......but the REALLY funny thing is that they
invariably assume that everyone around them is equally blessed.

Meanwhile, you're just another common garden variety liar.

Wolfgang
and you should look more closely at the definition of "pertinacious" in your
precious little dictionary.



Ken Fortenberry May 7th, 2006 12:45 AM

Fawn Lake
 
Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
I recall someone recommending that so-called lake as a great
place to camp and fish. Someone was wrong. ...


Well, no one.....least of all you, it would appear.....is responsible for
what you recall. At any rate, Fawn Lake may well be a great place to camp
and fish, even if the fishing is not fantastic. ...


The so-called Fawn lake is neither a great place to camp nor
a great place to fish. I can recall that much.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Charlie Choc May 7th, 2006 12:49 AM

Fawn Lake
 
On Sat, 06 May 2006 23:45:27 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

The so-called Fawn lake is neither a great place to camp nor
a great place to fish. I can recall that much.


How? You've never been there.
--
Charlie...
http://www.chocphoto.com

Ken Fortenberry May 7th, 2006 12:53 AM

Fawn Lake
 
Charlie Choc wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
The so-called Fawn lake is neither a great place to camp nor
a great place to fish. I can recall that much.


How? You've never been there.


I was there. I saw an unfishable mass of weeds.

When you go back post pix of the fish you catch. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry



Charlie Choc May 7th, 2006 12:57 AM

Fawn Lake
 
On Sat, 06 May 2006 23:53:20 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Charlie Choc wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
The so-called Fawn lake is neither a great place to camp nor
a great place to fish. I can recall that much.


How? You've never been there.


I was there. I saw an unfishable mass of weeds.

You were lost. I saw the place you are probably talking about and it wasn't Fawn
Lake.
--
Charlie...
http://www.chocphoto.com

jeff May 7th, 2006 01:25 AM

Fawn Lake
 
Ken Fortenberry wrote:

Wolfgang wrote:

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:

rw wrote:

A friend sent me a copy of the book Yellowstone Fishes. It has a
Checklist of Fish Known in Yellowstone Waters. Fawn Lake is in the
checklist. It has brook trout.

If the so-called Fawn Lake is such a great fishing spot then
those who hiked up there last year will certainly want to hike
up there again this year.



I don't recall anyone making a claim of fantastic fishing at Fawn Lake.



I recall someone recommending that so-called lake as a great
place to camp and fish. Someone was wrong. What remains to be
seen is if someone will be pertinacious enough to hike up there
for the second year in a row.


why don't you google it and see what i actually said. but, now that
i've been there, seen the lake, seen the rising fish in the lake, fished
two of the small streams (fawn creek and the gardner) near the lake, and
caught lots of larger-than-carolina-size brookies in them, i'll
certainly recommend it as a great place to camp and fish...this time,
i'd suggest taking a float tube along though. the park recommends it as
a camping area; at least one backcountry outfitter advertises it as one
of his offered camping/fishing trips in the park, and the fellas at blue
ribbon describe big brook trout taken from fawn lake....and you now say
it's a so-called lake after initially denying its existence.

the only one being "pertinacious" about the lake is you...but, then, we
both know you're wrong...which, all things considered, i regret to admit
openly, is pretty satisfying.

rw May 7th, 2006 02:11 AM

Fawn Lake
 
jeff wrote:

this time,
i'd suggest taking a float tube along though.


Good plan. From the photos I've seen and from the topographic maps of
Fawn Lake, it appears to be spring-fed, very much like a productive
brook trout lake near Stanley, Idaho that I like to fish. The risers are
probably small fish. The big ones will be found deep in the vicinity of
the spring, for which you need a float tube and a sinking line. It's
boring fishing, but the tug of a big brookie makes it all worth it.

The next time I'm in Yellowstone I intend to check out Fawn Lake.

the only one being "pertinacious" about the lake is you...but, then, we
both know you're wrong...which, all things considered, i regret to admit
openly, is pretty satisfying.


It's called Shadenfreude, Jeff, and it's one of the most satisfying
emotions in the human repertoire. No need for regrets.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Wolfgang May 7th, 2006 02:23 AM

Fawn Lake
 

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
. com...
Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
I recall someone recommending that so-called lake as a great
place to camp and fish. Someone was wrong. ...


Well, no one.....least of all you, it would appear.....is responsible for
what you recall. At any rate, Fawn Lake may well be a great place to
camp and fish, even if the fishing is not fantastic. ...


The so-called Fawn lake is neither a great place to camp nor
a great place to fish.


Who cares? The point is you're a liar.

I can recall that much.


No, all you recall is sitting on a barstool in some ******** where even the
bartender wouldn't talk to you. You asked about Fawn Lake and got the
predictable response. Your credulity is your own problem.

And hey, how's that Pulitzer Prize winning writing career going? :)

Wolfgang



rw May 7th, 2006 03:31 AM

Fawn Lake
 
Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
. com...

Wolfgang wrote:

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:

I recall someone recommending that so-called lake as a great
place to camp and fish. Someone was wrong. ...

Well, no one.....least of all you, it would appear.....is responsible for
what you recall. At any rate, Fawn Lake may well be a great place to
camp and fish, even if the fishing is not fantastic. ...


The so-called Fawn lake is neither a great place to camp nor
a great place to fish.



Who cares? The point is you're a liar.


You are a nasty person, Wolfgang.

Fortenberry isn't lying. He knows he's wrong, and everyone else knows
he's wrong, and he knows that everyone else knows he's wrong. And
everyone else (EXCEPT YOU) knows that he knows that he's wrong. It's
become a running joke. Too bad you're not in on it.

(I expect Fortenberry to deny that he knows he's wrong, etc.)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Ken Fortenberry May 7th, 2006 03:34 AM

Fawn Lake
 
rw wrote:
jeff wrote:
this time, i'd suggest taking a float tube along though.

...
The next time I'm in Yellowstone I intend to check out Fawn Lake.
...
It's called Shadenfreude, Jeff, and it's one of the most satisfying
emotions in the human repertoire. No need for regrets.


It's schadenfreude and if you think schadenfreude is one of
the most satisfying emotions in the human repertoire you're a
****in' putz, not to mention a sorry excuse for a human being.

But speaking of schadenfreude, you couldn't script a better
version of same than what I'd feel after you and that divorce
lawyer hauled float tubes all the way up to that so-called lake.

LOL !!

Be sure to post a trip report. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

rw May 7th, 2006 03:46 AM

Fawn Lake
 
Ken Fortenberry wrote:

It's schadenfreude and if you think schadenfreude is one of
the most satisfying emotions in the human repertoire you're a
****in' putz, not to mention a sorry excuse for a human being.


Thank you!

But speaking of schadenfreude, you couldn't script a better
version of same than what I'd feel after you and that divorce
lawyer hauled float tubes all the way up to that so-called lake.


I have no idea what you're talking about, but I'll try to figure it out.

The "divorce lawyer" must be the top-posting Jeff Miller, because he's
the only fly-fishing divorce lawyer we're both acquainted with.

The only time I've "hauled float tubes" to a lake with Jeff Miller was
when John Hightower took us to a grayling lake in Montana. I think it
was during the Rock Creek Clave. Beautiful high-mountain cirque lake,
full of small grayling. If I could remember the name I wouldn't reveal
it on ROFF. I recall Warren schlepping my pontoon boat all the way
there. He looked like Madame Butterfly.

Are you under the impression I've actually been to Fawn Lake?

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Ken Fortenberry May 7th, 2006 03:52 AM

Fawn Lake
 
Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
The so-called Fawn lake is neither a great place to camp nor
a great place to fish.
I can recall that much.


No, all you recall is sitting on a barstool in some ******** where even the
bartender wouldn't talk to you.


Actually, what I recall from the barstool is that the so-called
Fawn Lake is fishable just after ice out for about a week or two.
What I recall from personal experience is that it's an unfishable
mass of weeds.

And don't denigrate the barstool, if you weren't such a nasty
little jerk you could learn a lot about fishing Yellowstone by
sitting on a barstool.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Wolfgang May 7th, 2006 03:53 AM

Fawn Lake
 

"rw" wrote in message
.net...
Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
. com...

Wolfgang wrote:

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:

I recall someone recommending that so-called lake as a great
place to camp and fish. Someone was wrong. ...

Well, no one.....least of all you, it would appear.....is responsible
for what you recall. At any rate, Fawn Lake may well be a great place
to camp and fish, even if the fishing is not fantastic. ...

The so-called Fawn lake is neither a great place to camp nor
a great place to fish.



Who cares? The point is you're a liar.


You are a nasty person, Wolfgang.


Yeah, I can do nasty.

Fortenberry isn't lying.


Yes he sis.

He knows he's wrong, and everyone else knows he's wrong, and he knows that
everyone else knows he's wrong.


Yeah, everybody knows all that, genius.

And everyone else (EXCEPT YOU) knows that he knows that he's wrong.


I knew all that within two minutes of his first assertion. You are an
idiot.

It's become a running joke. Too bad you're not in on it.


You just keep getting stupider an stupider. One would think that you'd
eventually bump up against some sort of natural limit......but there's no
sign of it yet.

(I expect Fortenberry to deny that he knows he's wrong, etc.)


And one expect you to deny that you're an idiot. But, who cares?

Wolfgang



Wolfgang May 7th, 2006 03:56 AM

Fawn Lake
 

"rw" wrote in message
.net...
Ken Fortenberry wrote:

It's schadenfreude and if you think schadenfreude is one of
the most satisfying emotions in the human repertoire you're a
****in' putz, not to mention a sorry excuse for a human being.


Thank you!

But speaking of schadenfreude, you couldn't script a better
version of same than what I'd feel after you and that divorce
lawyer hauled float tubes all the way up to that so-called lake.


I have no idea what you're talking about, but I'll try to figure it out.

The "divorce lawyer" must be the top-posting Jeff Miller, because he's the
only fly-fishing divorce lawyer we're both acquainted with.

The only time I've "hauled float tubes" to a lake with Jeff Miller was
when John Hightower took us to a grayling lake in Montana. I think it was
during the Rock Creek Clave. Beautiful high-mountain cirque lake, full of
small grayling. If I could remember the name I wouldn't reveal it on ROFF.
I recall Warren schlepping my pontoon boat all the way there. He looked
like Madame Butterfly.

Are you under the impression I've actually been to Fawn Lake?


See what I mean? Simple English sentences.....even sentences as simple as
kennie's best offerings.....are entirely beyond your capacity to comprehend.
:)

Wolfgang
the boy really is incapable of learning.



rw May 7th, 2006 04:09 AM

Fawn Lake
 
Wolfgang wrote:
"rw" wrote in message
.net...

Fortenberry isn't lying.



Yes he sis.


No he sisn't.

There's a difference between lying, on the one hand, and stubbornly
maintaining an indefensible position on Usenet on the other, as you
should well know.

Fortenberry knows perfectly well that he ****ed up about Fawn Lake, but
he'll never admit it. You could drag him kicking and screaming to Fawn
Lake, and stuff brook trout fillets down his mouth until he choked, and
he'd never admit that he ****ed up.

While he was lost or disoriented or dehydrated or whatever, he truly
believed that the weed-choked puddle he saw was Fawn Lake. That's why
it's not a "lie." It's prideful pig-headedness, which Fortenberry can
elide into a self-deprecating joke if he's smart enough and wants to cut
his losses.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Wolfgang May 7th, 2006 04:14 AM

Fawn Lake
 

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
t...
Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
The so-called Fawn lake is neither a great place to camp nor
a great place to fish.
I can recall that much.


No, all you recall is sitting on a barstool in some ******** where even
the bartender wouldn't talk to you.


Actually, what I recall from the barstool is that the so-called
Fawn Lake is fishable just after ice out for about a week or two.
What I recall from personal experience is that it's an unfishable
mass of weeds.


Actually, you're a liar. You said there is no such lake.

And don't denigrate the barstool, if you weren't such a nasty
little jerk you could learn a lot about fishing Yellowstone by
sitting on a barstool.


I learned a bit about fishing in Yellowstone by going there. You should try
it sometime, you pathetic fool.

Wolfgang



Ken Fortenberry May 7th, 2006 04:21 AM

Fawn Lake
 
Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
And don't denigrate the barstool, if you weren't such a nasty
little jerk you could learn a lot about fishing Yellowstone by
sitting on a barstool.


I learned a bit about fishing in Yellowstone by going there.


Exactly, you learned a bit. As opposed to learning a lot.

You should try
it sometime, you pathetic fool.


I should try fishing in Yellowstone by going there ?

Good idea, now why didn't I think of that ? ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

Wolfgang May 7th, 2006 04:23 AM

Fawn Lake
 

"rw" wrote in message
ink.net...
Wolfgang wrote:
"rw" wrote in message
.net...

Fortenberry isn't lying.



Yes he sis.


No he sisn't.


That may be the cleverest thing you've ever done. How's it feel?

There's a difference between lying, on the one hand, and stubbornly
maintaining an indefensible position on Usenet on the other, as you should
well know.


As I DO know. Kennie was.....and is.....doing both. Yo, on the other hand,
are an idiot.

Fortenberry knows perfectly well that he ****ed up about Fawn Lake, but
he'll never admit it. You could drag him kicking and screaming to Fawn
Lake, and stuff brook trout fillets down his mouth until he choked, and
he'd never admit that he ****ed up.


Well, aren't you just the darling little junior double naughter? Figure
that out all by yourself, did you? :)

While he was lost or disoriented or dehydrated or whatever, he truly
believed that the weed-choked puddle he saw was Fawn Lake.


Horse****. His experience of Fawn Lake was gained from a barstool because
no one would pay enough attention to him to even send him off in the wrong
direction. Hell, even YOU could probably find someone to read a map to you
and determine whether or not there is a Fawn Lake.

That's why it's not a "lie."


Stupid. Just plain stupid.

It's prideful pig-headedness, which Fortenberry
can elide into a self-deprecating joke if he's smart enough and wants to
cut his losses.


Hee, hee, hee.......he said "elide".....hee, hee, hee.

Wolfgang



Wolfgang May 7th, 2006 04:31 AM

Fawn Lake
 

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
And don't denigrate the barstool, if you weren't such a nasty
little jerk you could learn a lot about fishing Yellowstone by
sitting on a barstool.


I learned a bit about fishing in Yellowstone by going there.


Exactly, you learned a bit. As opposed to learning a lot.


Well, I know there IS a Fawn Lake. You?

You should try it sometime, you pathetic fool.


I should try fishing in Yellowstone by going there ?


Seems like as good a way as any to me......it's a mighty long cast from
central Illinois.

Good idea, now why didn't I think of that ? ;-)


I suspect someone did exactly that for you. The question is......why didn't
you follow up on that thought and actually do it? Shouldn't have been that
hard to find from Cooke City.

Wolfgang
who is at a loss to understand why anyone would travel that far and not even
take a look at the park.



rw May 7th, 2006 04:34 AM

Fawn Lake
 
Wolfgang wrote:

Actually, you're a liar. You said there is no such lake.


He was mistaken. Deluded, if you prefer.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Wolfgang May 7th, 2006 04:47 AM

Fawn Lake
 

"rw" wrote in message
.net...
Wolfgang wrote:

Actually, you're a liar. You said there is no such lake.


He was mistaken.


He was mistaken the FIRST time.

Deluded, if you prefer.


I do not.

And he's STILL a liar. YOU, on the other hand, are still an idiot.

Wolfgang



rw May 7th, 2006 04:54 AM

Fawn Lake
 
Wolfgang wrote:
"rw" wrote in message
.net...

Wolfgang wrote:

Actually, you're a liar. You said there is no such lake.


He was mistaken.



He was mistaken the FIRST time.


Deluded, if you prefer.



I do not.

And he's STILL a liar. YOU, on the other hand, are still an idiot.


OK, have it your way. Fortenberry is a liar.

But what is the character of the lie? If you tell a lie, and you know
that everyone knows its a lie, and everyone knows that you know that
they know it's a lie, is it really a lie? I don't think so. A lie is
meant to deceive.

At this point Fortenberry is beyond deception, except perhaps for the
self-directed kind.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Mr. Opus McDopus May 7th, 2006 01:11 PM

Fawn Lake
 

"rw" wrote in message
nk.net...
Wolfgang wrote:
"rw" wrote in message
.net...

Wolfgang wrote:

Actually, you're a liar. You said there is no such lake.

He was mistaken.



He was mistaken the FIRST time.


Deluded, if you prefer.



I do not.

And he's STILL a liar. YOU, on the other hand, are still an idiot.


OK, have it your way. Fortenberry is a liar.

But what is the character of the lie? If you tell a lie, and you know that
everyone knows its a lie, and everyone knows that you know that they know
it's a lie, is it really a lie? I don't think so. A lie is meant to
deceive.

At this point Fortenberry is beyond deception, except perhaps for the
self-directed kind.


So many buttons, so little time!

Op --Wolfie, press another one. Petrovich would be so proud of you!--



Wolfgang May 7th, 2006 11:57 PM

Fawn Lake
 

"rw" wrote in message
nk.net...
Wolfgang wrote:
"rw" wrote in message
.net...

Wolfgang wrote:

Actually, you're a liar. You said there is no such lake.

He was mistaken.



He was mistaken the FIRST time.


Deluded, if you prefer.



I do not.

And he's STILL a liar. YOU, on the other hand, are still an idiot.


OK, have it your way. Fortenberry is a liar.

But what is the character of the lie? If you tell a lie, and you know that
everyone knows its a lie, and everyone knows that you know that they know
it's a lie, is it really a lie? I don't think so. A lie is meant to
deceive.

At this point Fortenberry is beyond deception, except perhaps for the
self-directed kind.


You were o.k.......up to that last line.....um....well, the bit before that
wasn't too good either. But, at a glance, it COULD have passed for
something sensible.....to a deficient reader. Got a new coach?

Wolfgang




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