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jeff June 5th, 2006 02:20 AM

bear of a day...
 

went to one of my favorite salty trout creeks this morning. uneventful
launch, headed out into the creek...first thing on entering the main
creek looked like a piling out in the middle, but it was making a wake
across the normal current. turned out to be a bear - a big one -
swimming across campbell creek. i followed him/her across the creek and
watched him/her scurry out of the water into the woods. pretty neat
start to the day. caught a few fish - speckled trout, flounder, and
blue fish - but, as i was heading out to a favorite spot in the sound,
my motor quit on me in the mouth of jones bay. ended the day beating
back into the wind about 5 miles using the trolling motor...it was a
pleasant afternoon for a slow boat ride back to hobucken, where i met a
lost soul from pennsylvania who corraled his friend to give me a ride to
get my truck...bummer, but, the bear sighting made it a splendid day.
pictures on abpf.

jeff

Tim J. June 5th, 2006 02:25 AM

bear of a day...
 
jeff wrote:
went to one of my favorite salty trout creeks this morning. uneventful
launch, headed out into the creek...first thing on entering the main
creek looked like a piling out in the middle, but it was making a wake
across the normal current. turned out to be a bear - a big one -
swimming across campbell creek.


That *IS* a big bear! At least you weren't fishing from the shoreline.
--
TL,
Tim
---------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj/



daytripper June 5th, 2006 02:58 AM

bear of a day...
 
On Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:20:10 -0400, jeff wrote:


went to one of my favorite salty trout creeks this morning. uneventful
launch, headed out into the creek...first thing on entering the main
creek looked like a piling out in the middle, but it was making a wake
across the normal current. turned out to be a bear - a big one -
swimming across campbell creek. i followed him/her across the creek and
watched him/her scurry out of the water into the woods. pretty neat
start to the day. caught a few fish - speckled trout, flounder, and
blue fish - but, as i was heading out to a favorite spot in the sound,
my motor quit on me in the mouth of jones bay. ended the day beating
back into the wind about 5 miles using the trolling motor...it was a
pleasant afternoon for a slow boat ride back to hobucken, where i met a
lost soul from pennsylvania who corraled his friend to give me a ride to
get my truck...bummer, but, the bear sighting made it a splendid day.
pictures on abpf.

jeff


This is the same boat you take 40 miles out into the ocean?

Wayne Harrison June 5th, 2006 04:33 AM

bear of a day...
 

"daytripper" wrote

This is the same boat you take 40 miles out into the ocean?


yep--i'm tellin' you, when you cross the neuse river, just east of
raleigh, headed further east, you enter a different world. dudes are
freaking *crazy* out there...

yfitons
wayno



jeff June 5th, 2006 12:53 PM

bear of a day...
 
daytripper wrote:
On Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:20:10 -0400, jeff wrote:


went to one of my favorite salty trout creeks this morning. uneventful
launch, headed out into the creek...first thing on entering the main
creek looked like a piling out in the middle, but it was making a wake
across the normal current. turned out to be a bear - a big one -
swimming across campbell creek. i followed him/her across the creek and
watched him/her scurry out of the water into the woods. pretty neat
start to the day. caught a few fish - speckled trout, flounder, and
blue fish - but, as i was heading out to a favorite spot in the sound,
my motor quit on me in the mouth of jones bay. ended the day beating
back into the wind about 5 miles using the trolling motor...it was a
pleasant afternoon for a slow boat ride back to hobucken, where i met a
lost soul from pennsylvania who corraled his friend to give me a ride to
get my truck...bummer, but, the bear sighting made it a splendid day.
pictures on abpf.

jeff



This is the same boat you take 40 miles out into the ocean?


no...use a 17' sea pro - a center console bay boat - in creeks and
rivers, the sal****er marshes, the sound, inshore sal****er on calm
days, and mountain lakes. great little boat. go to the gulf stream in a
25' carolina classic.

[email protected] June 7th, 2006 04:43 AM

bear of a day...
 
On Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:20:10 -0400, jeff wrote:


went to one of my favorite salty trout creeks this morning. uneventful
launch, headed out into the creek...first thing on entering the main
creek looked like a piling out in the middle, but it was making a wake
across the normal current. turned out to be a bear - a big one -
swimming across campbell creek. i followed him/her across the creek and
watched him/her scurry out of the water into the woods. pretty neat
start to the day. caught a few fish - speckled trout, flounder, and
blue fish - but, as i was heading out to a favorite spot in the sound,
my motor quit on me in the mouth of jones bay.


That's pretty cool...

ended the day beating
back into the wind about 5 miles using the trolling motor...it was a
pleasant afternoon for a slow boat ride back to hobucken, where i met a
lost soul from pennsylvania who corraled his friend to give me a ride to
get my truck...bummer, but, the bear sighting made it a splendid day.
pictures on abpf.


Geez, Jeff, another breakdown? Is it time to coin the "full Miller" for
boating? Seriously, you might wish to look into TowBoatUS...and before
I go any further, I have no interest in BoatUS, TowBoatUS, or any tow
service...IAC, they are sort of like "AAA" for the water. I'm sure that
much like AAA, the service varies, but in my (limited) experience with
them, they are a decent deal, especially if one is prone to need tow
services. For 139.00 a year, you get unlimited towing/breakdown/fuel
hotshotting/etc., and for 89.00 a year, you get (IIRC) 500.00USD per
incident coverage. BoatUS is www.boatus.com . They claim more service
boats and areas than SeaTow, but I have no idea on what that is based.

And for the record, I do know the service owner in S. MS, but I get
nothing whatsoever if anyone joins.

TC,
R


jeff


jeff June 7th, 2006 12:53 PM

bear of a day...
 
wrote:
On Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:20:10 -0400, jeff wrote:


went to one of my favorite salty trout creeks this morning. uneventful
launch, headed out into the creek...first thing on entering the main
creek looked like a piling out in the middle, but it was making a wake
across the normal current. turned out to be a bear - a big one -
swimming across campbell creek. i followed him/her across the creek and
watched him/her scurry out of the water into the woods. pretty neat
start to the day. caught a few fish - speckled trout, flounder, and
blue fish - but, as i was heading out to a favorite spot in the sound,
my motor quit on me in the mouth of jones bay.



That's pretty cool...


ended the day beating
back into the wind about 5 miles using the trolling motor...it was a
pleasant afternoon for a slow boat ride back to hobucken, where i met a
lost soul from pennsylvania who corraled his friend to give me a ride to
get my truck...bummer, but, the bear sighting made it a splendid day.
pictures on abpf.



Geez, Jeff, another breakdown? Is it time to coin the "full Miller" for
boating? Seriously, you might wish to look into TowBoatUS...and before
I go any further, I have no interest in BoatUS, TowBoatUS, or any tow
service...IAC, they are sort of like "AAA" for the water. I'm sure that
much like AAA, the service varies, but in my (limited) experience with
them, they are a decent deal, especially if one is prone to need tow
services. For 139.00 a year, you get unlimited towing/breakdown/fuel
hotshotting/etc., and for 89.00 a year, you get (IIRC) 500.00USD per
incident coverage. BoatUS is
www.boatus.com . They claim more service
boats and areas than SeaTow, but I have no idea on what that is based.

And for the record, I do know the service owner in S. MS, but I get
nothing whatsoever if anyone joins.

TC,
R


jeff


heck...it's a normal part of the boating experience, no? i have some
friends who would better serve as models for the "full-(yournamehere)"
characterization. i've been fortunate with the bay boat...no problems
for several years of constant use. i think this one involved the water
pump and cooling system. anyway, i don't subscribe to a towing service
for the bay boat. i'm always close enough to shore and some landing that
i feel secure in getting home ok, eventually. between the trolling
motor and the relative certainty that friends within a cell phone call
or other boaters will tow me, i've not been too concerned with it. but,
before i ever left the dock with the offshore boat i had a seatow card
in my wallet. seatow seems to be the better equipped and more responsive
service in my area of north carolina. the annual premium - about $135 -
is excellent value. plus, on the recent breakdown off lookout, the
towing charge was over a $1,000...but no charge to me as a seatow
member. i was very pleased with the service. like you, i recommend
getting the towing insurance package to anyone who owns a boat used for
offshore sal****er fishing or who might be concerned about getting towed
back to their homeport after a breakdown. just be aware of the limits
of the service, because the charges for non-covered work can be very,
very costly.

jeff

[email protected] June 7th, 2006 02:43 PM

bear of a day...
 
On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:53:47 -0400, jeff wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:20:10 -0400, jeff wrote:


went to one of my favorite salty trout creeks this morning. uneventful
launch, headed out into the creek...first thing on entering the main
creek looked like a piling out in the middle, but it was making a wake
across the normal current. turned out to be a bear - a big one -
swimming across campbell creek. i followed him/her across the creek and
watched him/her scurry out of the water into the woods. pretty neat
start to the day. caught a few fish - speckled trout, flounder, and
blue fish - but, as i was heading out to a favorite spot in the sound,
my motor quit on me in the mouth of jones bay.



That's pretty cool...


ended the day beating
back into the wind about 5 miles using the trolling motor...it was a
pleasant afternoon for a slow boat ride back to hobucken, where i met a
lost soul from pennsylvania who corraled his friend to give me a ride to
get my truck...bummer, but, the bear sighting made it a splendid day.
pictures on abpf.



Geez, Jeff, another breakdown? Is it time to coin the "full Miller" for
boating? Seriously, you might wish to look into TowBoatUS...and before
I go any further, I have no interest in BoatUS, TowBoatUS, or any tow
service...IAC, they are sort of like "AAA" for the water. I'm sure that
much like AAA, the service varies, but in my (limited) experience with
them, they are a decent deal, especially if one is prone to need tow
services. For 139.00 a year, you get unlimited towing/breakdown/fuel
hotshotting/etc., and for 89.00 a year, you get (IIRC) 500.00USD per
incident coverage. BoatUS is www.boatus.com . They claim more service
boats and areas than SeaTow, but I have no idea on what that is based.

And for the record, I do know the service owner in S. MS, but I get
nothing whatsoever if anyone joins.

TC,
R


jeff


heck...it's a normal part of the boating experience, no?


Yes. See below....

i have some friends who would better serve as models for the "full-(yournamehere)"
characterization. i've been fortunate with the bay boat...no problems
for several years of constant use. i think this one involved the water
pump and cooling system. anyway, i don't subscribe to a towing service
for the bay boat. i'm always close enough to shore and some landing that
i feel secure in getting home ok, eventually. between the trolling
motor and the relative certainty that friends within a cell phone call
or other boaters will tow me, i've not been too concerned with it. but,
before i ever left the dock with the offshore boat i had a seatow card
in my wallet. seatow seems to be the better equipped and more responsive
service in my area of north carolina. the annual premium - about $135 -
is excellent value. plus, on the recent breakdown off lookout, the
towing charge was over a $1,000...but no charge to me as a seatow
member. i was very pleased with the service. like you, i recommend
getting the towing insurance package to anyone who owns a boat used for
offshore sal****er fishing or who might be concerned about getting towed
back to their homeport after a breakdown. just be aware of the limits
of the service, because the charges for non-covered work can be very,
very costly.


FWIW, TowBoatUS is really like AAA - _you're_ covered, not _a_ boat, and
as such, your boats, boats you charter or borrow, etc. are covered
without "primary vessel" reg'ing, ala SeaTow. What would happen if
someone borrowed your boat, I don't know. And as to SeaTow, they are
here, too, but they are stretched pretty thin with everything right now
- they are even doing land recovery. IAC, I like them, and wouldn't
hesitate to recommend them, too. As your point location is a good
one - as far as I know, they both are like AAA in that the provider is
not an employee of the either SeaTow or TowBoat, but a contract
provider, and as such, one may well be better in one area.

As to water systems, ****! It must be that time of the year...I've been
fighting a raw water pump issue on a starboard engine for 3 days. I
think a pyramid washer has finally locked the sorry POS down tight
(knock on teak).

My recent incident is sorta funny actually: we're getting ready for the
Blessing of the Fleet and the Schooner Race (this weekend), and were
doing a prep cruise on the boat we plan to use with a few non-boating
types on-board (last weekend) when the raw water pump belt started
slipping. For those that have never heard such, imagine a automotive
belt squeal with the squeal due to a family of rabid chimps being caught
up in the belts. About 20 seconds into the squeal, the temp sensor
registers the heat rise and the engine shuts down. The boating types
realize it's no real big deal as far as returning to port is concerned,
while the non-boater types start looking for life jackets and have
visions of a CG rescue...I, on the other hand, have visions of my ass
crawling around under the engine to remedy things...

TC,
R

jeff June 8th, 2006 01:29 AM

bear of a day...
 
wrote:

The boating types
realize it's no real big deal as far as returning to port is concerned,
while the non-boater types start looking for life jackets and have
visions of a CG rescue...I, on the other hand, have visions of my ass
crawling around under the engine to remedy things...



g ...while i'm not a life-jacket paranoid, if ever i was crawling
about any engine, i'd recommend everyone on board immediately don a
lifejacket as i'd undoubtedly pull the wrong shuttlecock or plug in such
a misguided adventure. when my sal****er boat broke down, i looked at
the engine solely for the purpose of assuring there wasn't a flame,
smoke, or spewing liquids that might require an abandon ship response. i
had no idea what was wrong...figured i was simply once again victimized
and ****upon by yet another movement of the cosmic mechanical
sphincters. when i got back to the dock, mel the mechanic got on the
boat, put his hand on something that looked like the rest of the
indistinguishable engine landscape to me, and pronounced the problem as
a bad high pressure fuel pump. mel is an "engine whisperer" and i
consider him worthy of hero worship.

jeff

[email protected] June 8th, 2006 06:11 AM

bear of a day...
 
On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:29:53 -0400, jeff wrote:

wrote:

The boating types
realize it's no real big deal as far as returning to port is concerned,
while the non-boater types start looking for life jackets and have
visions of a CG rescue...I, on the other hand, have visions of my ass
crawling around under the engine to remedy things...



g ...while i'm not a life-jacket paranoid, if ever i was crawling
about any engine, i'd recommend everyone on board immediately don a
lifejacket as i'd undoubtedly pull the wrong shuttlecock or plug in such
a misguided adventure. when my sal****er boat broke down, i looked at
the engine solely for the purpose of assuring there wasn't a flame,
smoke, or spewing liquids that might require an abandon ship response. i
had no idea what was wrong...figured i was simply once again victimized
and ****upon by yet another movement of the cosmic mechanical
sphincters. when i got back to the dock, mel the mechanic got on the
boat, put his hand on something that looked like the rest of the
indistinguishable engine landscape to me, and pronounced the problem as
a bad high pressure fuel pump. mel is an "engine whisperer" and i
consider him worthy of hero worship.

jeff


My (totally unasked-for) advice would be to study up on the basic
workings of your motor(s). A whole lot of what goes wrong can be fixed
or patched on the water if one has some basic info, a few spare parts,
and a relative few well-chosen tools (and no, a "Crescent"/Polish speed
wrench, pump pliers, two screwdrivers, and a Leatherman does not a tool
kit make). Marine drive systems, be the inboard, I/O, or outboard are
not all that complicated, and most problems are either fuel, spark, or
adjustment(s)/cleaning (with the exceptions of things like dip****s
ringing out outdrive cases on I/Os if a cable gets a little hinky).

Obviously, major problems aren't readily fixable on the water, but in my
experience, catastrophic failures don't usually happen too far from
splash/leaving port with reasonably well-maintained engines. I'd
suspect that you take reasonable care of your engines and that you're
more than capable of handling a fair amount of the minor stuff.

And another suggestion - a good (used, older, simpler, IMO) kicker
setup, and if possible, one that can function on more than one boat. I
like something along the lines of a 15-20 hp, and if the boat is
gasoline-powered, the kicker's fuel tank can serve as an emergency
supply for the main(s). If you take that advice, please take this as
well - exercise the kicker regularly.

TC,
R

jeff June 9th, 2006 01:19 AM

bear of a day...
 
wrote:

On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:29:53 -0400, jeff wrote:


wrote:


The boating types
realize it's no real big deal as far as returning to port is concerned,
while the non-boater types start looking for life jackets and have
visions of a CG rescue...I, on the other hand, have visions of my ass
crawling around under the engine to remedy things...



g ...while i'm not a life-jacket paranoid, if ever i was crawling
about any engine, i'd recommend everyone on board immediately don a
lifejacket as i'd undoubtedly pull the wrong shuttlecock or plug in such
a misguided adventure. when my sal****er boat broke down, i looked at
the engine solely for the purpose of assuring there wasn't a flame,
smoke, or spewing liquids that might require an abandon ship response. i
had no idea what was wrong...figured i was simply once again victimized
and ****upon by yet another movement of the cosmic mechanical
sphincters. when i got back to the dock, mel the mechanic got on the
boat, put his hand on something that looked like the rest of the
indistinguishable engine landscape to me, and pronounced the problem as
a bad high pressure fuel pump. mel is an "engine whisperer" and i
consider him worthy of hero worship.

jeff



My (totally unasked-for) advice would be to study up on the basic
workings of your motor(s). A whole lot of what goes wrong can be fixed
or patched on the water if one has some basic info, a few spare parts,
and a relative few well-chosen tools (and no, a "Crescent"/Polish speed
wrench, pump pliers, two screwdrivers, and a Leatherman does not a tool
kit make). Marine drive systems, be the inboard, I/O, or outboard are
not all that complicated, and most problems are either fuel, spark, or
adjustment(s)/cleaning (with the exceptions of things like dip****s
ringing out outdrive cases on I/Os if a cable gets a little hinky).

Obviously, major problems aren't readily fixable on the water, but in my
experience, catastrophic failures don't usually happen too far from
splash/leaving port with reasonably well-maintained engines. I'd
suspect that you take reasonable care of your engines and that you're
more than capable of handling a fair amount of the minor stuff.

And another suggestion - a good (used, older, simpler, IMO) kicker
setup, and if possible, one that can function on more than one boat. I
like something along the lines of a 15-20 hp, and if the boat is
gasoline-powered, the kicker's fuel tank can serve as an emergency
supply for the main(s). If you take that advice, please take this as
well - exercise the kicker regularly.

TC,
R


excellent advice, actually. thanks. i do pay others with ability and
knowledge to maintain and service my engines on a regular basis. ... i
can do simple stuff, but generally don't unless i have no choice or
plenty of spare time to devote.

i began my tyro studies on inboard/outboards while i was being towed. i
discovered my fuel injected setup has two fuel pumps. however, as i'm
relatively new to the workings of volvo inboard engines (on a gm block),
jackshafts, and i/outboard drive systems, i doubt i'll fiddle around
with it too much until i've served an apprenticeship. each breakdown
yields a new experience and education, albeit with expensive tuition.
don't know if i'm gonna stay in school long enough to get my mechanical
degree though.

kickers aren't too functional on a 17' bay boat (not enough room or
balance) or on an offshore fishing boat trolling 7 lines and
teasers...i've never seen one in this area on an inboard deepsea fishing
boat. i have seen them on lake boats, and some older or bigger boats
with outboards trying to economize on trolling speed fuel consumption.
seatow pulled my cow home at 17 knots. so far, seatow seems much more
economical, faster, and less trouble than a 20 hp outboard would be.

jeff

[email protected] June 9th, 2006 02:48 PM

bear of a day...
 
On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 20:19:18 -0400, jeff wrote:

wrote:

On Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:29:53 -0400, jeff wrote:


wrote:


The boating types
realize it's no real big deal as far as returning to port is concerned,
while the non-boater types start looking for life jackets and have
visions of a CG rescue...I, on the other hand, have visions of my ass
crawling around under the engine to remedy things...



g ...while i'm not a life-jacket paranoid, if ever i was crawling
about any engine, i'd recommend everyone on board immediately don a
lifejacket as i'd undoubtedly pull the wrong shuttlecock or plug in such
a misguided adventure. when my sal****er boat broke down, i looked at
the engine solely for the purpose of assuring there wasn't a flame,
smoke, or spewing liquids that might require an abandon ship response. i
had no idea what was wrong...figured i was simply once again victimized
and ****upon by yet another movement of the cosmic mechanical
sphincters. when i got back to the dock, mel the mechanic got on the
boat, put his hand on something that looked like the rest of the
indistinguishable engine landscape to me, and pronounced the problem as
a bad high pressure fuel pump. mel is an "engine whisperer" and i
consider him worthy of hero worship.

jeff



My (totally unasked-for) advice would be to study up on the basic
workings of your motor(s). A whole lot of what goes wrong can be fixed
or patched on the water if one has some basic info, a few spare parts,
and a relative few well-chosen tools (and no, a "Crescent"/Polish speed
wrench, pump pliers, two screwdrivers, and a Leatherman does not a tool
kit make). Marine drive systems, be the inboard, I/O, or outboard are
not all that complicated, and most problems are either fuel, spark, or
adjustment(s)/cleaning (with the exceptions of things like dip****s
ringing out outdrive cases on I/Os if a cable gets a little hinky).

Obviously, major problems aren't readily fixable on the water, but in my
experience, catastrophic failures don't usually happen too far from
splash/leaving port with reasonably well-maintained engines. I'd
suspect that you take reasonable care of your engines and that you're
more than capable of handling a fair amount of the minor stuff.

And another suggestion - a good (used, older, simpler, IMO) kicker
setup, and if possible, one that can function on more than one boat. I
like something along the lines of a 15-20 hp, and if the boat is
gasoline-powered, the kicker's fuel tank can serve as an emergency
supply for the main(s). If you take that advice, please take this as
well - exercise the kicker regularly.

TC,
R


excellent advice, actually. thanks. i do pay others with ability and
knowledge to maintain and service my engines on a regular basis. ... i
can do simple stuff, but generally don't unless i have no choice or
plenty of spare time to devote.


I don't mean this as an insult, just a statement, but IMO, if you are
gonna own a boat with a motor and take folks out with you, you ought to
know some basics (unless, of course, they are informed before leaving
that you have no intention or ability beyond calling SeaTow). No
reasonable person expects that a skipper whip out a pocketknife and some
bailing wire and fix a blown engine in the time it takes them to drink a
refreshing beverage, but if I were offshore with someone who, for
example, had a fuel/water separation problem (or my recent belt
situation in a single-screw) and no replacement(s) or clues, I'd be
miffed - your nautical mileage may vary G.

i began my tyro studies on inboard/outboards while i was being towed. i
discovered my fuel injected setup has two fuel pumps. however, as i'm
relatively new to the workings of volvo inboard engines (on a gm block),
jackshafts, and i/outboard drive systems, i doubt i'll fiddle around
with it too much until i've served an apprenticeship. each breakdown
yields a new experience and education, albeit with expensive tuition.
don't know if i'm gonna stay in school long enough to get my mechanical
degree though.


There are all sorts of do-it-yourself guidebooks (ala Bentley manuals
for autos). Maybe getting one and doing your next tune-up, power pack
or coil change, etc., might be a start? There's no doubt in my mind
that _anyone_ physically able and of even modest mental abil...oh,
that's right...you're a lawyer...oh, sorry, I suddenly remembered the
coroner/head in a jar/"might have been a lawyer" joke...anyway,
seriously, anyone of even modest mental ability should be able to
successfully understand and work on all marine drives from small
Cats/Detroits to trolling motors. Including lawyers. Very, very few
are all that complicated...the motors...well, or the lawyers, I guess...

kickers aren't too functional on a 17' bay boat (not enough room or
balance) or on an offshore fishing boat trolling 7 lines and
teasers...i've never seen one in this area on an inboard deepsea fishing
boat. i have seen them on lake boats, and some older or bigger boats
with outboards trying to economize on trolling speed fuel consumption.
seatow pulled my cow home at 17 knots. so far, seatow seems much more
economical, faster, and less trouble than a 20 hp outboard would be.

Oh, hey, a tow service membership is the "go-to" method, but on a busy
weekend, they might not be as available as one might wish. And FWIW, a
kicker will work with any drive system, even twin OBs, plus a kicker can
come in handy even when all is well - for example, for lolly-gagging
around in shallows. I've used one to putter around iffy/tideout island
areas in a twin inboard, as rudder and screw truing isn't cheap, and
replacement is even worse. And you don't need to leave it mounted, just
have it, and if fuel runouts are the least of your worries (I know a guy
with a larger center console that has 300 gals of tankage...and twins
and a kicker), you don't need a tank for the kicker, just a tap for it
on the main tank(s)

TC,
R
jeff


jeff June 10th, 2006 03:12 AM

bear of a day...
 
wrote:


I don't mean this as an insult, just a statement, but IMO, if you are
gonna own a boat with a motor and take folks out with you, you ought to
know some basics (unless, of course, they are informed before leaving
that you have no intention or ability beyond calling SeaTow). No
reasonable person expects that a skipper whip out a pocketknife and some
bailing wire and fix a blown engine in the time it takes them to drink a
refreshing beverage, but if I were offshore with someone who, for
example, had a fuel/water separation problem (or my recent belt
situation in a single-screw) and no replacement(s) or clues, I'd be
miffed - your nautical mileage may vary G.


not taken as an insult...and it's a well-founded, sound, and perhaps
deserved comment. i've no problem with those who don't want to go out
with me because i'm not adept at engine repair. most who go fishing with
me are well aware of my limitations, and probably think i'm much more
limited than i really am (which suits me fine). of course, i'm not
looking to be a charter service and i make no assurances to anyone
traveling offshore or across a lake with me in any of my boats. if my
boat breaks down, it won't be because of misuse or lack of routine
maintenance. but it won't be fixed by me either. i'll leave it to those
with experience and competence gained from years i simply don't and
won't have. come along at your own risk or stay behind, i make no
guarantees... others can be miffed or not, i'm gonna try to have a good
time with my hobbies and not sweat the small things. i won't be
reckless, i won't be negligent, and i'll do my best to plan a safe
trip...but, if the engine breaks down, we'll all be miffed.




There are all sorts of do-it-yourself guidebooks (ala Bentley manuals
for autos). Maybe getting one and doing your next tune-up, power pack
or coil change, etc., might be a start? There's no doubt in my mind
that _anyone_ physically able and of even modest mental abil...oh,
that's right...you're a lawyer...oh, sorry, I suddenly remembered the
coroner/head in a jar/"might have been a lawyer" joke...anyway,
seriously, anyone of even modest mental ability should be able to
successfully understand and work on all marine drives from small
Cats/Detroits to trolling motors. Including lawyers. Very, very few
are all that complicated...the motors...well, or the lawyers, I guess...


i suspect with a bit of instruction and time to do the simple stuff,
even i'd get by as well as the next neophyte. frankly, i don't have the
time, facilities, or tools to do much in self-help boat or engine
repair. i live 90 miles from the coast where i keep the boat in a dry
stack at a marina. the marina has certified mechanics, facilities,
tools, and parts.



Oh, hey, a tow service membership is the "go-to" method, but on a busy
weekend, they might not be as available as one might wish. And FWIW, a
kicker will work with any drive system, even twin OBs, plus a kicker can
come in handy even when all is well - for example, for lolly-gagging
around in shallows. I've used one to putter around iffy/tideout island
areas in a twin inboard, as rudder and screw truing isn't cheap, and
replacement is even worse. And you don't need to leave it mounted, just
have it, and if fuel runouts are the least of your worries (I know a guy
with a larger center console that has 300 gals of tankage...and twins
and a kicker), you don't need a tank for the kicker, just a tap for it
on the main tank(s)


no doubt kickers *can* be added to many boats, and they have their
place, but it's neither functional nor necessary equipment on anything i
own right now.

jeff

[email protected] June 10th, 2006 05:51 AM

bear of a day...
 
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 22:12:06 -0400, jeff wrote:

wrote:


I don't mean this as an insult, just a statement, but IMO, if you are
gonna own a boat with a motor and take folks out with you, you ought to
know some basics (unless, of course, they are informed before leaving
that you have no intention or ability beyond calling SeaTow). No
reasonable person expects that a skipper whip out a pocketknife and some
bailing wire and fix a blown engine in the time it takes them to drink a
refreshing beverage, but if I were offshore with someone who, for
example, had a fuel/water separation problem (or my recent belt
situation in a single-screw) and no replacement(s) or clues, I'd be
miffed - your nautical mileage may vary G.


not taken as an insult...and it's a well-founded, sound, and perhaps
deserved comment. i've no problem with those who don't want to go out
with me because i'm not adept at engine repair. most who go fishing with
me are well aware of my limitations, and probably think i'm much more
limited than i really am (which suits me fine). of course, i'm not
looking to be a charter service and i make no assurances to anyone
traveling offshore or across a lake with me in any of my boats. if my
boat breaks down, it won't be because of misuse or lack of routine
maintenance. but it won't be fixed by me either. i'll leave it to those
with experience and competence gained from years i simply don't and
won't have. come along at your own risk or stay behind, i make no
guarantees... others can be miffed or not, i'm gonna try to have a good
time with my hobbies and not sweat the small things. i won't be
reckless, i won't be negligent, and i'll do my best to plan a safe
trip...but, if the engine breaks down, we'll all be miffed.


All reasonable and valid. If the passengers know what they are getting
into, as it were, then IMO, you owe them nothing more than what they
expected.




There are all sorts of do-it-yourself guidebooks (ala Bentley manuals
for autos). Maybe getting one and doing your next tune-up, power pack
or coil change, etc., might be a start? There's no doubt in my mind
that _anyone_ physically able and of even modest mental abil...oh,
that's right...you're a lawyer...oh, sorry, I suddenly remembered the
coroner/head in a jar/"might have been a lawyer" joke...anyway,
seriously, anyone of even modest mental ability should be able to
successfully understand and work on all marine drives from small
Cats/Detroits to trolling motors. Including lawyers. Very, very few
are all that complicated...the motors...well, or the lawyers, I guess...


i suspect with a bit of instruction and time to do the simple stuff,
even i'd get by as well as the next neophyte. frankly, i don't have the
time, facilities, or tools to do much in self-help boat or engine
repair. i live 90 miles from the coast where i keep the boat in a dry
stack at a marina. the marina has certified mechanics, facilities,
tools, and parts.


I guess it's just differing points of view. Maybe it's sorta like tying
flies - sure, you can buy flies, and for many, buying them is probably
cheaper and easier in both the long and short runs when time is
calculated in with materials/tools/supplies. Sorta the old "that's why
there's chocolate and vanilla." I also guess that it probably has a lot
to do with the fact that I learned such things from an early age, and as
such, perhaps what I see as stuff that everyone should know is really
just a bunch of stuff that normal people don't really care about. And
also, being "at the mercy of others" is not something I do well at all -
I might let someone else fix something, but I'll damn sure know (or
learn) what I'm paying for.



Oh, hey, a tow service membership is the "go-to" method, but on a busy
weekend, they might not be as available as one might wish. And FWIW, a
kicker will work with any drive system, even twin OBs, plus a kicker can
come in handy even when all is well - for example, for lolly-gagging
around in shallows. I've used one to putter around iffy/tideout island
areas in a twin inboard, as rudder and screw truing isn't cheap, and
replacement is even worse. And you don't need to leave it mounted, just
have it, and if fuel runouts are the least of your worries (I know a guy
with a larger center console that has 300 gals of tankage...and twins
and a kicker), you don't need a tank for the kicker, just a tap for it
on the main tank(s)


no doubt kickers *can* be added to many boats, and they have their
place, but it's neither functional nor necessary equipment on anything i
own right now.


Fair enough. If I may, beside the 17', what else is in, er, "Miller's
Navy," powerboat-wise - IIRC, it's a larger sportfish? I think, given
the above, I know the answer to this question, but do y'all sail at all?

TC,
R


Wolfgang June 10th, 2006 12:51 PM

bear of a day...
 

wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 22:12:06 -0400, jeff wrote:

...being "at the mercy of others" is not something I do well at all....


Ah, what more delicious breakfast to linger over of a Saturday morning
than a juicy ambiguity spitted and roasted to a turn. Any angle you
look at it from, it's done to perfection. :)

Wolfgang
yeah, the meat ain't exactly fresh, but the self-served feature more
than compensates.


Ken Fortenberry June 10th, 2006 01:00 PM

bear of a day...
 
Wolfgang wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 22:12:06 -0400, jeff wrote:

...


Ah, what more delicious breakfast to linger over of a Saturday morning
than a juicy ambiguity spitted and roasted to a turn. Any angle you
look at it from, it's done to perfection. :)


From this angle the ambiguity lies in the attribution.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Wolfgang June 10th, 2006 01:37 PM

bear of a day...
 

Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Wolfgang wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 22:12:06 -0400, jeff wrote:

...


Ah, what more delicious breakfast to linger over of a Saturday morning
than a juicy ambiguity spitted and roasted to a turn. Any angle you
look at it from, it's done to perfection. :)


From this angle the ambiguity lies in the attribution.


See, that's the trouble with forever trying to work one angle or
another. Some day, when you can take time out from from scribbling
marginalia in your little dictionary, you should try looking at life on
Earth straight on.

Wolfgang
yeah, i know......but it costs nothing to try.


Ken Fortenberry June 10th, 2006 01:44 PM

bear of a day...
 
Wolfgang wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Wolfgang wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 22:12:06 -0400, jeff wrote:

...
Ah, what more delicious breakfast to linger over of a Saturday morning
than a juicy ambiguity spitted and roasted to a turn. Any angle you
look at it from, it's done to perfection. :)

From this angle the ambiguity lies in the attribution.


See, that's the trouble ...


The trouble is obvious from any angle.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Wolfgang June 10th, 2006 01:50 PM

bear of a day...
 

Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Wolfgang wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Wolfgang wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 22:12:06 -0400, jeff wrote:

...
Ah, what more delicious breakfast to linger over of a Saturday morning
than a juicy ambiguity spitted and roasted to a turn. Any angle you
look at it from, it's done to perfection. :)
From this angle the ambiguity lies in the attribution.


See, that's the trouble ...


The trouble is obvious from any angle.


Exactly. See?.....it works.

Wolfgang
the pleasant surprises are stacking up early. it's going to be a good
day.....a VERY good day.


Ken Fortenberry June 10th, 2006 01:59 PM

bear of a day...
 
Wolfgang wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Wolfgang wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Wolfgang wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 22:12:06 -0400, jeff wrote:

...
Ah, what more delicious breakfast to linger over of a Saturday morning
than a juicy ambiguity spitted and roasted to a turn. Any angle you
look at it from, it's done to perfection. :)
From this angle the ambiguity lies in the attribution.
See, that's the trouble ...

The trouble is obvious from any angle.


Exactly.


Hilarious. Most people having been caught making an attribution
error in a Usenet post would say, Oops, fumble fingers this
morning. But not our little Wolfie, no siree. Little Wolfie
wants to play. But I don't want to play this morning so Little
Wolfie will just have to play with himself. Come to think of it
"playing with himself" pretty well describes the bulk of what
Little Wolfie posts here. LOL !!

--
Ken Fortenberry

Wolfgang June 10th, 2006 02:14 PM

bear of a day...
 

Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Wolfgang wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Wolfgang wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Wolfgang wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jun 2006 22:12:06 -0400, jeff wrote:

...
Ah, what more delicious breakfast to linger over of a Saturday morning
than a juicy ambiguity spitted and roasted to a turn. Any angle you
look at it from, it's done to perfection. :)
From this angle the ambiguity lies in the attribution.
See, that's the trouble ...
The trouble is obvious from any angle.


Exactly.


Hilarious. Most people having been caught making an attribution
error in a Usenet post would say, Oops, fumble fingers this
morning. But not our little Wolfie, no siree. Little Wolfie
wants to play. But I don't want to play this morning so Little
Wolfie will just have to play with himself. Come to think of it
"playing with himself" pretty well describes the bulk of what
Little Wolfie posts here. LOL !!


Laugh long......laugh hard. :)

Wolfgang


jeff June 11th, 2006 02:45 PM

bear of a day...
 
wrote:


Fair enough. If I may, beside the 17', what else is in, er, "Miller's
Navy," powerboat-wise - IIRC, it's a larger sportfish? I think, given
the above, I know the answer to this question, but do y'all sail at all?

TC,
R


right now, i've got a 16' gheenoe. sturdy and stable, but heavy. great
for creeks, canals, ponds, impounments, and small lakes. i took it up to
penns one year for the smallmouth float. i paddle it or use a 2.5 hp
mercury if i need a sturdier oarsman. i've done a bit of flyfishing for
bream and bass with it, and chased puppy drum in saltmarsh bays.

the 17' center console bay boat with 90 hp yamaha is for shad and rock
and bass in the rivers, puppy drum, speckled trout, flounder in the
sound and bay areas, and inshore sal****er on calm days for spanish,
blues, and false albacore.

the 25' carolina classic is for my latest madness - offshore fishing for
wahoo, tuna, dolphin, king mackeral, and...hopefully...billfish. it's
built for nc's offshore waters. nothing fancy, but very functional and i
can single hand it so i'm not dependent on crew when i want to go
offshore.

i used to own a 26' pearson sailboat back when i was a "romantic". yeah,
yeah...i know. but, it was deadly.

the boats meet my current requirements and needs for the kind of fishing
i like, and i can manage each of them by myself...um, except for the
engine repair thing.

jeff

[email protected] June 14th, 2006 02:22 PM

bear of a day...
 
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 09:45:45 -0400, jeff wrote:

wrote:


Fair enough. If I may, beside the 17', what else is in, er, "Miller's
Navy," powerboat-wise - IIRC, it's a larger sportfish? I think, given
the above, I know the answer to this question, but do y'all sail at all?

TC,
R


right now, i've got a 16' gheenoe. sturdy and stable, but heavy. great
for creeks, canals, ponds, impounments, and small lakes. i took it up to
penns one year for the smallmouth float. i paddle it or use a 2.5 hp
mercury if i need a sturdier oarsman. i've done a bit of flyfishing for
bream and bass with it, and chased puppy drum in saltmarsh bays.

the 17' center console bay boat with 90 hp yamaha is for shad and rock
and bass in the rivers, puppy drum, speckled trout, flounder in the
sound and bay areas, and inshore sal****er on calm days for spanish,
blues, and false albacore.

the 25' carolina classic is for my latest madness - offshore fishing for
wahoo, tuna, dolphin, king mackeral, and...hopefully...billfish. it's
built for nc's offshore waters. nothing fancy, but very functional and i
can single hand it so i'm not dependent on crew when i want to go
offshore.

i used to own a 26' pearson sailboat back when i was a "romantic". yeah,
yeah...i know. but, it was deadly.

the boats meet my current requirements and needs for the kind of fishing
i like, and i can manage each of them by myself...um, except for the
engine repair thing.

jeff


Sounds like a well-rounded group. I still say "kicker" but hey, it's
your remuda. That Carolina Classic...or is it actually carolina
classic...sounds like a good boat for its purpose. I checked out their
website, and it's a nice looking boat, too. Down here, folks seem to be
gaga over the center console/t-top opens, even in 30-35 feet. I suspect
it is because it tends to keep women and kids off, but hell, I like a
little comfort, too.

As to latest madnesses, I'm currently tinkering with a John Allmand FBSF
that I found and added to, er, McHale's Navy ...decent boat, so far.
Good hull, incredible interior for its age, recent engine rebuilds, etc.
And it's an inboard, which I like. Plus, I got to go toy shopping for a
new bottom machine, GPS, etc. Speaking of which, I think I've tripped
over a pretty cool setup GPS, NMEA hookups, Bluechart, an older
laptop, etc. Anyone have any interest in the details?

It isn't 100% hooked-up and running on-board, but so far, it looks good
as a MUCH lower cost alternative to the "networked"/"black box" setups
offered by Garmin, Raymarine, etc. and all the non-wiring/mounting
components will be easily taken off-board. Potentially, under $1000USD
for everything: GPS with large screen charting, dual/tri-station radio,
bottom machine/sonar, etc., including a DVD/CD entertainment system and
'net access if one wished.

TC,
R


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