How to fish the Mouse Pattern?
 

Never done this before, I ordered the Mouse Pattern in a size 6 and 8, but
not sure how to fish it. Anyone have suggestions, techniques on fishing the
mouse pattern?
http://www.hillsdiscountflies.com/cg...tegory _Code=
thanks,
-tom

How to fish the Mouse Pattern?
 

"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
...
Never done this before, I ordered the Mouse Pattern in a size 6 and 8, but
not sure how to fish it. Anyone have suggestions, techniques on fishing
the mouse pattern?
http://www.hillsdiscountflies.com/cg...tegory _Code=
thanks,
-tom



Sorry, correct link to the mouse pattern I purchased:
http://home.comcast.net/~tomnak/mouse_pattern.jpg
-tom

How to fish the Mouse Pattern?
 

Tom Nakashima wrote:
"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
...
Never done this before, I ordered the Mouse Pattern in a size 6 and 8, but
not sure how to fish it. Anyone have suggestions, techniques on fishing
the mouse pattern?
http://www.hillsdiscountflies.com/cg...tegory _Code=
thanks,
-tom



Sorry, correct link to the mouse pattern I purchased:
http://home.comcast.net/~tomnak/mouse_pattern.jpg
-tom

I would use cat gut leaders.

Two kittens were watching a tennis match. One says"I didn't know you
were so interested in tennis". "It's family, Dad's in the racquet"

How to fish the Mouse Pattern?
 

"BJ Conner" wrote in message
oups.com...

Tom Nakashima wrote:
"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
...
Never done this before, I ordered the Mouse Pattern in a size 6 and 8,
but
not sure how to fish it. Anyone have suggestions, techniques on
fishing
the mouse pattern?
http://www.hillsdiscountflies.com/cg...tegory _Code=
thanks,
-tom



Sorry, correct link to the mouse pattern I purchased:
http://home.comcast.net/~tomnak/mouse_pattern.jpg
-tom

I would use cat gut leaders.

Two kittens were watching a tennis match. One says"I didn't know you
were so interested in tennis". "It's family, Dad's in the racquet"


Good one BJ,
a cat did bite off 20 ft of my line once when I was practicing my cast on
the lawn.
-tom

How to fish the Mouse Pattern?
 

Tom Nakashima wrote:
"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
...

Never done this before, I ordered the Mouse Pattern in a size 6 and 8, but
not sure how to fish it. Anyone have suggestions, techniques on fishing
the mouse pattern?
http://www.hillsdiscountflies.com/cg...tegory _Code=
thanks,
-tom




Sorry, correct link to the mouse pattern I purchased:
http://home.comcast.net/~tomnak/mouse_pattern.jpg

That is so cute! :-)

I tied the same pattern without the eyes, ears, and whiskers, for Alaska
-- didn't have much luck with it. I think Willi caught a few with his
mouse, which looked a lot easier to tie.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

How to fish the Mouse Pattern?
 

"rw" wrote in message
m...

I tied the same pattern without the eyes, ears, and whiskers, for
Alaska -- didn't have much luck with it. I think Willi caught a few with
his mouse, which looked a lot easier to tie.


Alaska is where I'll be trying this mouse pattern on the Arolik in July.
Not sure whether to surface it, or sink it.
Throw it in and hope for the best?
-tom

How to fish the Mouse Pattern?
 

Tom Nakashima typed:
"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
...
Never done this before, I ordered the Mouse Pattern in a size 6 and
8, but not sure how to fish it. Anyone have suggestions, techniques
on fishing the mouse pattern?

I hear Wayne Knight prefers hanging them from tree limbs.
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

How to fish the Mouse Pattern?
 

Tim J. wrote:


I hear Wayne Knight prefers hanging them from tree limbs.


Ya heard wrong

How to fish the Mouse Pattern?
 

Tom Nakashima wrote:
"rw" wrote in message
m...

I tied the same pattern without the eyes, ears, and whiskers, for
Alaska -- didn't have much luck with it. I think Willi caught a few with
his mouse, which looked a lot easier to tie.



Alaska is where I'll be trying this mouse pattern on the Arolik in July.
Not sure whether to surface it, or sink it.
Throw it in and hope for the best?
-tom

Tom,

Make it do what mice do in the water. They swim. Toss it close to the
opposite bank(preferably a cutbank with lots of vegetation), mend a
couple times and let it drift along the bank. Let it swing, and "swim
it" back upstream. I read pauses help. I've seen video of big char
taking a mouse pattern as it sits, waking in current. Having only caught
bass on a mouse, I cannot comment on the effectiveness of this method. ;-)

brians

How to fish the Mouse Pattern? (Here's how it's done)
 

After a little research, I learned how to fish the Mouse Pattern:

Good casting skill is needed to present a mouse 60 feet away from a boat.
The presentation of the mouse must be done so as to resemble one that came
to the water's edge and accidentally fell in. The cast is made so that the
mouse lands on or bounces off the rocks. When the mouse lands on a rock, a
small twitch will cause it to fall in.

Getting the mouse there isn't enough. Brown trout like mice but rise for
them slowly. The trout knows a mouse in the water is in trouble and doesn't
have to hurry to eat it. He'll swim from under a rock ledge or shadowed
shoreline and slowly rise to feed. While the trout is deciding whether or
not to eat the mouse, the imitation must act like it is swimming and
struggling to get back to safety. Even then, mice swim slowly. So line
stripping (pulling line in for non fly-fishers) is done only an inch or two
at a time with a slight twitch. Swim the mouse too fast and the trout will
realize something's wrong and won't take it.

Trout first pull a mouse down by the tail to drown it. That means the hook
shouldn't be set on the first tug, to do so will pull the mouse from the
fish's mouth. Wait another moment or so, allowing the trout to take the
entire mouse in its mouth before striking. But don't wait too long! The
trout will realize the mouse is a fake and spit it out. There's a split
second when the trout bites the mouse by the tail and another split second
when the trout gets the whole mouse in its mouth. That's when the hook must
be set. Remember, the trout's mouth is hard and bony, so the hook must be
sharp and set crisply.

-tom

How to fish the Mouse Pattern?
 

Jonathan Cook wrote:

PS: this reminds me of the taimen thread:

http://www.acuteangling.com/Taimen/taimong.htm

"To date our largest Taimen was 62 inches and was caught on
a mouse pattern. Certainly the most exciting aspect of Taimen
fishing is that they are top water oriented. A large part of
their diet consists of mice, lemmings, ducks and prairie dogs
that fall into the river. It is an unforgettable spectacle to
see such a fish clear the water."

I love the picture on that page of the guy hooked up downstream
where the fish is downstream of the weedbed...

That doesn't look like a fish, it looks like an alligator. :-}

As for the original question -- I'd throw a mouse imitation near the
bank with a big plop, twitch it, then "swim it" a few inches at a time.


Chuck Vance (at least that's how I'd do it for bass)

How to fish the Mouse Pattern? (Here's how it's done)
 

Tom Nakashima wrote:

After a little research, I learned how to fish the Mouse Pattern:

No Tom, you read how one person fishes a Mouse Pattern. You did not
learn to fish it. Only by practice and what works for you when can you
learn how to fish it.

1. It does not have to be cast directly on to the shore to be
effective. Anywhere near a log or under limb cover can be an effective.
Things do fall out of trees.

2. Speaking of falling out of trees, apples and mamals generally don;t
land on the water gingerly, ya need a good plop when the fly hits the
water.

3. I can never remember seeing a real mouse swim, but in contrast to
your source, I assume it doesn't want to be there and will move fast
to get out. I use quick bursting strips to retrieve the fly. And if the
fish is big enough, there might be times when the trout grabs the tail
first but it;s my experience that trout in many cases will slam the fly
hard the first time and it may or may not bump it first much like any
other streamer. , if you can see the bump quicken your retrieve speed
but not so quick the fly gets to openwater.

How to fish the Mouse Pattern? (Here's how it's done)
 

"Wayne Knight" wrote in message
oups.com...
Tom Nakashima wrote:

After a little research, I learned how to fish the Mouse Pattern:

No Tom, you read how one person fishes a Mouse Pattern. You did not
learn to fish it. Only by practice and what works for you when can you
learn how to fish it.

1. It does not have to be cast directly on to the shore to be
effective. Anywhere near a log or under limb cover can be an effective.
Things do fall out of trees.

2. Speaking of falling out of trees, apples and mamals generally don;t
land on the water gingerly, ya need a good plop when the fly hits the
water.

3. I can never remember seeing a real mouse swim, but in contrast to
your source, I assume it doesn't want to be there and will move fast
to get out. I use quick bursting strips to retrieve the fly. And if the
fish is big enough, there might be times when the trout grabs the tail
first but it;s my experience that trout in many cases will slam the fly
hard the first time and it may or may not bump it first much like any
other streamer. , if you can see the bump quicken your retrieve speed
but not so quick the fly gets to openwater.


I got from now till the July 1 to do more research, and then 10 days to try
some of the techniques or learn
how to fish the mouse pattern. I think it's going to be interesting to see
if on one of the Alaskan leopards,
or browns on the Arolik will take it.
-tom

How to fish the Mouse Pattern?
 

On 8 Jun 2006 16:07:12 GMT, (Jonathan Cook) wrote:

Tom Nakashima wrote:
not sure how to fish it. Anyone have suggestions, techniques on fishing the
mouse pattern?

Go live-trap some real mice, toss 'em in your local pond/river
and see what they do...

So that Zen thing is pretty much over for you?

/daytripper (yup. that's unethical.)

How to fish the Mouse Pattern? (Here's how it's done)
 

Tom Nakashima wrote:

I got from now till the July 1 to do more research, and then 10 days to try
some of the techniques or learn
how to fish the mouse pattern. I think it's going to be interesting to see
if on one of the Alaskan leopards,
or browns on the Arolik will take it.

The Arolik has brown trout??? I kind of doubt that.

When are you fishing?

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

How to fish the Mouse Pattern?
 

daytripper wrote:
On 8 Jun 2006 16:07:12 GMT, (Jonathan Cook) wrote:


Tom Nakashima wrote:

not sure how to fish it. Anyone have suggestions, techniques on fishing the
mouse pattern?

Go live-trap some real mice, toss 'em in your local pond/river
and see what they do...


So that Zen thing is pretty much over for you?

/daytripper (yup. that's unethical.)

You might as well duct-tape some hooks to the mice while you're at it. :-)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

How to fish the Mouse Pattern? (Here's how it's done)
 

"rw" wrote in message
m...
Tom Nakashima wrote:

I got from now till the July 1 to do more research, and then 10 days to
try some of the techniques or learn
how to fish the mouse pattern. I think it's going to be interesting to
see if on one of the Alaskan leopards,
or browns on the Arolik will take it.

The Arolik has brown trout??? I kind of doubt that.

When are you fishing?

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

July 2 through the 10th.
My mistake, Leopard Rainbows, it will be my first time in Alaska
-tom

How to fish the Mouse Pattern?
 

"daytripper" wrote in message
...
On 8 Jun 2006 16:07:12 GMT, (Jonathan Cook) wrote:

Tom Nakashima wrote:
not sure how to fish it. Anyone have suggestions, techniques on fishing
the
mouse pattern?

Go live-trap some real mice, toss 'em in your local pond/river
and see what they do...

So that Zen thing is pretty much over for you?

/daytripper (yup. that's unethical.)

Wasn't me who wrote that about trapping real live mice.
-tom

How to fish the Mouse Pattern?
 

On Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:39:21 -0700, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:

"daytripper" wrote in message
.. .
On 8 Jun 2006 16:07:12 GMT, (Jonathan Cook) wrote:

Tom Nakashima wrote:
not sure how to fish it. Anyone have suggestions, techniques on fishing
the mouse pattern?

Go live-trap some real mice, toss 'em in your local pond/river
and see what they do...

So that Zen thing is pretty much over for you?

/daytripper (yup. that's unethical.)

Wasn't me who wrote that about trapping real live mice.
-tom

Lucky for you then the other 99.9% of the readers here are actually capable of
following a properly threaded and attributed post...

/daytripper (well, maybe not quite 99.9%, but near 'nuff ;-)

How to fish the Mouse Pattern?
 

I would tie it onto a 7 1/2' - 0x - 2x leader and fish it in the AM and PM.

I think if you get it in front of a hungry thing with lips and fins it will
be all over.

We have been using something similar in the Delta lately for black bass on
top in the AM and PM here in California.

They use them for big Rainbows in AK, Brown trout everywhere, black bass and
pike.


--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA, USA

Web site: www.kiene.com


"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
...

Never done this before, I ordered the Mouse Pattern in a size 6 and 8, but
not sure how to fish it. Anyone have suggestions, techniques on fishing
the mouse pattern?
http://www.hillsdiscountflies.com/cg...tegory _Code=
thanks,
-tom

How to fish the Mouse Pattern?
 

On Thu, 8 Jun 2006 07:40:38 -0700, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:

Sorry, correct link to the mouse pattern I purchased:
http://home.comcast.net/~tomnak/mouse_pattern.jpg


First, cut off the weed guard. Cut the tail by one half; it gets
tangled in the hook otherwise. Use at least a 6 weight with floating
line to chuck the thing out.

The trick to getting a strike is to start moving the mouse as soon as
it hits the water. Don't let it sit there for a second or two -
immediately start moving it by stripping in the line in a jerky
fashion, but not too fast.

If you are on a river, concentrate on where the foam collects along
the shoreline and cast into the middle of it. The strike will be
violent, but wait just a second or so longer than you normally would
on a "dry fly".

I've taken big brookies, landlocked salmon, laketrout, northern pike,
rainbows, and dolly varden using the exact same pattern you bought.

On the Zhaponava River last year in Kamchatka, you could see the
rainbows and dollies coming after the fly - they made a bulge in the
water's surface, not unlike a submarine would. Fun fly to fish, but
it's only productive on certain waters/conditions. Look for the foam
eddys.

Dave (still in Maine fishing at 2600 cfs)

How to fish the Mouse Pattern?
 

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 8 Jun 2006 07:40:38 -0700, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:

Sorry, correct link to the mouse pattern I purchased:
http://home.comcast.net/~tomnak/mouse_pattern.jpg


First, cut off the weed guard. Cut the tail by one half; it gets
tangled in the hook otherwise. Use at least a 6 weight with floating
line to chuck the thing out.

The trick to getting a strike is to start moving the mouse as soon as
it hits the water. Don't let it sit there for a second or two -
immediately start moving it by stripping in the line in a jerky
fashion, but not too fast.

If you are on a river, concentrate on where the foam collects along
the shoreline and cast into the middle of it. The strike will be
violent, but wait just a second or so longer than you normally would
on a "dry fly".

I've taken big brookies, landlocked salmon, laketrout, northern pike,
rainbows, and dolly varden using the exact same pattern you bought.

On the Zhaponava River last year in Kamchatka, you could see the
rainbows and dollies coming after the fly - they made a bulge in the
water's surface, not unlike a submarine would. Fun fly to fish, but
it's only productive on certain waters/conditions. Look for the foam
eddys.

Dave (still in Maine fishing at 2600 cfs)


Thanks Dave,
-tom

How to fish the Mouse Pattern?
 

On 9 Jun 2006 18:49:28 GMT, (Jonathan Cook) wrote:

Tom Nakashima wrote:

"daytripper" wrote in message
...

So that Zen thing is pretty much over for you?

Wasn't me who wrote that about trapping real live mice.

And I've never been into Zen...so that leaves two of us
lost as to the meaning of tripper's post...must be the
other 99.9% who know what's going on ;-)

Jon.

Well, I bet at least wayno got it ;-)

Ok, ok. I should've kept it to a simple, terse "unethical". Tom would still
have stepped right in it, of course, gathering the technical foul, but perhaps
you'd have recognized the time-worn joke.

I prescribe Panexa for both of you.

http://www.panexa.com/

/daytripper (it can't hurt. probably. ;-)

How to fish the Mouse Pattern?
 

Tom Nakashima wrote:
Never done this before, I ordered the Mouse Pattern in a size 6 and 8, but
not sure how to fish it. Anyone have suggestions, techniques on fishing the
mouse pattern?
http://www.hillsdiscountflies.com/cg...tegory _Code=
thanks,
-tom





Here's the mouse pattern I used in Alaska last Summer. I used some
packing foam that floats MUCH better than the craft foam they sell for
tying (thanks to Sandy Pittendrigh). Even when the bunny strip were
saturated, it floated, unlike deer hair. Caught my biggest Rainbow on it.


http://www.crystalglen.net/Fishing/Mouse.htm

Looks kind of funky dry, but the underside when wet definitely looks
like a rodent.

I also tied a variation in pink and had some success with it on Silvers.

Willi

How to fish the Mouse Pattern?
 

daytripper wrote:
On 9 Jun 2006 18:49:28 GMT, (Jonathan Cook) wrote:

Tom Nakashima wrote:

"daytripper" wrote in message
...

So that Zen thing is pretty much over for you?

Wasn't me who wrote that about trapping real live mice.

And I've never been into Zen...so that leaves two of us
lost as to the meaning of tripper's post...must be the
other 99.9% who know what's going on ;-)

Jon.

Well, I bet at least wayno got it ;-)

Ok, ok. I should've kept it to a simple, terse "unethical". Tom would still
have stepped right in it, of course, gathering the technical foul, but perhaps
you'd have recognized the time-worn joke.

I prescribe Panexa for both of you.

http://www.panexa.com/

/daytripper (it can't hurt. probably. ;-)


I don't have a uterus......um.....or metabolism. This worries me. My
doctor says I shouldn't worry about it. This worries me even more. Is
Panexa right for me?

Moribund in Milwaukee

How to fish the Mouse Pattern? (Here's how it's done)
 

On Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:05:10 -0700, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:

Good casting skill is needed to present a mouse 60 feet away from a boat.
The presentation of the mouse must be done so as to resemble one that came
to the water's edge and accidentally fell in. The cast is made so that the
mouse lands on or bounces off the rocks. When the mouse lands on a rock, a
small twitch will cause it to fall in.

No need, really, to cast it onto a rock. As I've said before, look
for areas along the shore where foam has collected. Your rainbows
will be under/near the foam. Once the mouse hits, *instantly* start
to strip/twitch it. While a sixty foot cast would be nice, I doubt
you'll set the hook at that distance. Typical distances I encountered
where 10 - 25 feet. BTW, you'll need a stout leader. We used 0X in
Russia, but I think 1 or 2 X would work fine. A fish that would eat a
mouse is not gonna be leader shy.

Getting the mouse there isn't enough. Brown trout like mice but rise for
them slowly. The trout knows a mouse in the water is in trouble and doesn't
have to hurry to eat it. He'll swim from under a rock ledge or shadowed
shoreline and slowly rise to feed. While the trout is deciding whether or
not to eat the mouse, the imitation must act like it is swimming and
struggling to get back to safety. Even then, mice swim slowly. So line
stripping (pulling line in for non fly-fishers) is done only an inch or two
at a time with a slight twitch. Swim the mouse too fast and the trout will
realize something's wrong and won't take it.

You're going to Alaska, right? Ain't no brownies in any river I know
of in Alaska. Big rainbows and salmon, but no browns. The rainbows
will SLAM the fly violently. Hesitate just a second before setting
the hook.

Trout first pull a mouse down by the tail to drown it. That means the hook
shouldn't be set on the first tug, to do so will pull the mouse from the
fish's mouth. Wait another moment or so, allowing the trout to take the
entire mouse in its mouth before striking. But don't wait too long! The
trout will realize the mouse is a fake and spit it out. There's a split
second when the trout bites the mouse by the tail and another split second
when the trout gets the whole mouse in its mouth. That's when the hook must
be set. Remember, the trout's mouth is hard and bony, so the hook must be
sharp and set crisply.

It's deja vu all over again. Remember to remove the weed guard and
shorten the tail. I've never seen a trout pull the mouse down by the
tail, btw. Like I've said, they SLAM it violently.

Raining today. Lots of fish yesterday including a couple of 20 inch
brookies. Lotsa small salmon and a few small brookies. River is now
at 1800 cfs. Camp (and the river) is full - about 32 fishermen, but
still lots of places to fish if ya have a boat. Broke the tip of an
Orvis 6 weight on a fish. My guess is there was a nick in the rod at
the spot where it broke. Yes, I managed to land the fish, a legal
size salmon.

Dave

How to fish the Mouse Pattern?
 

Tom,

I have a pretty good selection of mice in my arsenal. But to honest I've
only used them for Pike when they come to the edges in spring. Mostly in the
lakes up in Matanuska Valley north of Anchorage. I used to have a duckling
pattern that a friend gave me a few of. It was deadly as well.

I have picked up the random Lake Trout on the mouse. I never took the mice
with me when I was heading down to the Kenai or Russian or even up to
Gulkana.
My experience with this would say that it is for lake fishing on the
surface. A slow, "popping", strip with long pauses always worked best for
me. Similar to how you would fish a Bassbug.


--
Ric Hamel
poor$, poor$ fishing freak...


"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
...
Never done this before, I ordered the Mouse Pattern in a size 6 and 8, but
not sure how to fish it. Anyone have suggestions, techniques on fishing
the
mouse pattern?

http://www.hillsdiscountflies.com/cg...ant.mv+Screen=
PROD&Product_Code=G124&Category_Code=
thanks,
-tom

How to fish the Mouse Pattern?
 

"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
...

"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
...
Never done this before, I ordered the Mouse Pattern in a size 6 and 8,
but
not sure how to fish it. Anyone have suggestions, techniques on fishing
the mouse pattern? . . .
http://home.comcast.net/~tomnak/mouse_pattern.jpg

The books of English author Hugh Falkus describe
how to fish what he calls a Wake Fly (cork surface
lure.)

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

How to fish the Mouse Pattern? (Here's how it's done)
 

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:05:10 -0700, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:

No need, really, to cast it onto a rock. As I've said before, look
for areas along the shore where foam has collected. Your rainbows
will be under/near the foam. Once the mouse hits, *instantly* start
to strip/twitch it. While a sixty foot cast would be nice, I doubt
you'll set the hook at that distance. Typical distances I encountered
where 10 - 25 feet. BTW, you'll need a stout leader. We used 0X in
Russia, but I think 1 or 2 X would work fine. A fish that would eat a
mouse is not gonna be leader shy.

You're going to Alaska, right? Ain't no brownies in any river I know
of in Alaska. Big rainbows and salmon, but no browns. The rainbows
will SLAM the fly violently. Hesitate just a second before setting
the hook.
It's deja vu all over again. Remember to remove the weed guard and
shorten the tail. I've never seen a trout pull the mouse down by the
tail, btw. Like I've said, they SLAM it violently.

Raining today. Lots of fish yesterday including a couple of 20 inch
brookies. Lotsa small salmon and a few small brookies. River is now
at 1800 cfs. Camp (and the river) is full - about 32 fishermen, but
still lots of places to fish if ya have a boat. Broke the tip of an
Orvis 6 weight on a fish. My guess is there was a nick in the rod at
the spot where it broke. Yes, I managed to land the fish, a legal
size salmon.

Dave


Thanks Dave,
Great Advice...
I did cut the tail shorter and removed the weed guard. Just reading how a
bow slams a mouse is exciting.
I do have 1x leaders for the mouse pattern. Yes, Alaska on the Arolik,
just three weeks away for 10 days.
-tom

How to fish the Mouse Pattern? (Here's how it's done)
 

BJ Conner wrote:

Save one for you shadow box or type tray. You need one to hang on the
wall. IMO it's the circumstances not the fly that will catch the
trout. IF the fish is going for a mouse it will just as likely go for
a woolybugger, muddler, leach or similar pattern. Think a trout
will be detered from taking a mouse pattern because the ears are to
big? Where your going its just food to the fish, the waters moving
and the window of opportunity is short.
It's a good pattern for a type tray or shadow box on your wall, a good
conversation starter for people that don't fish. It will give you a
chance to make up a few stories. Tie up a lemming pattern and tell
them that it's only good every four years.


Although I agree with your post in principal (whatever that means), mice
can be an important food source. There was a reservoir up in Wyoming
where mice/rodents made up something like 90% (by weight) of the trouts'
diet. When I first read the study I was amazed. The reservoir is a
large one and it lacked a forage base. The trout population was low but
consisted of some VERY big fish. The Wyoming DOW used the study to make
the decision to stock the reservoir with a fish to serve as a forage
base for the games fishes.

Willi

How to fish the Mouse Pattern? (Here's how it's done)
 

Willi wrote:

Although I agree with your post in principal (whatever that means), mice
can be an important food source. There was a reservoir up in Wyoming
where mice/rodents made up something like 90% (by weight) of the trouts'
diet. When I first read the study I was amazed. The reservoir is a
large one and it lacked a forage base. The trout population was low but
consisted of some VERY big fish. The Wyoming DOW used the study to make
the decision to stock the reservoir with a fish to serve as a forage
base for the games fishes.

They should stock the lake with mice. :-)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

How to fish the Mouse Pattern? (Here's how it's done)
 

rw wrote:
Willi wrote:

Although I agree with your post in principal (whatever that means), mice
can be an important food source. There was a reservoir up in Wyoming
where mice/rodents made up something like 90% (by weight) of the trouts'
diet. When I first read the study I was amazed. The reservoir is a
large one and it lacked a forage base. The trout population was low but
consisted of some VERY big fish. The Wyoming DOW used the study to make
the decision to stock the reservoir with a fish to serve as a forage
base for the games fishes.

They should stock the lake with mice. :-)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

That could explain why Velveeta is such a popular bait.

How to fish the Mouse Pattern? (Here's how it's done)
 

On 12 Jun 2006 16:26:42 -0700, "BJ Conner"
wrote:


rw wrote:
Willi wrote:

Although I agree with your post in principal (whatever that means), mice
can be an important food source. There was a reservoir up in Wyoming
where mice/rodents made up something like 90% (by weight) of the trouts'
diet. When I first read the study I was amazed. The reservoir is a
large one and it lacked a forage base. The trout population was low but
consisted of some VERY big fish. The Wyoming DOW used the study to make
the decision to stock the reservoir with a fish to serve as a forage
base for the games fishes.

They should stock the lake with mice. :-)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

That could explain why Velveeta is such a popular bait.

Do mice taste like Velveeta...or vice-versa?

TIA,
R

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On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:24:53 -0600, rw
wrote:

Willi wrote:

Although I agree with your post in principal (whatever that means), mice
can be an important food source. There was a reservoir up in Wyoming
where mice/rodents made up something like 90% (by weight) of the trouts'
diet. When I first read the study I was amazed. The reservoir is a
large one and it lacked a forage base. The trout population was low but
consisted of some VERY big fish. The Wyoming DOW used the study to make
the decision to stock the reservoir with a fish to serve as a forage
base for the games fishes.

They should stock the lake with mice. :-)

Oh, lord - I can see the bitching now - stocker fish fattened up on
farm-raised mice...on the plus side, however, it oughta drive all the
PETAphiles bonkers...

How to fish the Mouse Pattern? (Here's how it's done)
 

On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:16:41 -0600, Willi
wrote:

Although I agree with your post in principal (whatever that means), mice
can be an important food source. There was a reservoir up in Wyoming
where mice/rodents made up something like 90% (by weight) of the trouts'
diet. When I first read the study I was amazed. The reservoir is a
large one and it lacked a forage base. The trout population was low but
consisted of some VERY big fish. The Wyoming DOW used the study to make
the decision to stock the reservoir with a fish to serve as a forage
base for the games fishes.

The guides in Kamchatka had a rainbow killed by the sport
over-playing it and taking too long to remove the hook. They said
that there was 4 mice in the trout's stomach. As you say, in some
parts of the world, the mouse is a major food source for big fish,

Still at Lakewood. Water flow is 4200 cfs. Not many good places to
fish without a boat. Managed a couple of nice brookies on dries this
a.m. at Wing Dam Pool.

How to fish the Mouse Pattern? (Here's how it's done)
 

On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:07:19 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:16:41 -0600, Willi
wrote:

Although I agree with your post in principal (whatever that means), mice
can be an important food source. There was a reservoir up in Wyoming
where mice/rodents made up something like 90% (by weight) of the trouts'
diet. When I first read the study I was amazed. The reservoir is a
large one and it lacked a forage base. The trout population was low but
consisted of some VERY big fish. The Wyoming DOW used the study to make
the decision to stock the reservoir with a fish to serve as a forage
base for the games fishes.

The guides in Kamchatka had a rainbow killed by the sport
over-playing it and taking too long to remove the hook. They said
that there was 4 mice in the trout's stomach. As you say, in some
parts of the world, the mouse is a major food source for big fish,

Still at Lakewood. Water flow is 4200 cfs. Not many good places to
fish without a boat. Managed a couple of nice brookies on dries this
a.m. at Wing Dam Pool.




Hi everybody here.

May be the thread is finished but I would like to share some of my own
experience with you guys. In the mid of 80's I used to fish on
Siberian rivers in Eastern Siberia (East of lake Baikal). We used
homemade Mouse Pattern and I remember that we used to fish on the
pattern always in a night time. Why at night? Cause the mice are the
night feeders. They are very careful during a bright time of day and
swimming through the rivers only in a night time. And trout (we called
it Lenok in russian) knows about the mice habit. We were pretty
successful with the Mouse Pattern.
Sorry for my English and possible mistakes but it's not my native
language. I'm russian.
Good fishing season to everybody.

Vladimir L.

How to fish the Mouse Pattern? (Here's how it's done)
 

"Vladimir L." wrote in message
...
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:07:19 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote:



Hi everybody here.

May be the thread is finished but I would like to share some of my own
experience with you guys. In the mid of 80's I used to fish on
Siberian rivers in Eastern Siberia (East of lake Baikal). We used
homemade Mouse Pattern and I remember that we used to fish on the
pattern always in a night time. Why at night? Cause the mice are the
night feeders. They are very careful during a bright time of day and
swimming through the rivers only in a night time. And trout (we called
it Lenok in russian) knows about the mice habit. We were pretty
successful with the Mouse Pattern.
Sorry for my English and possible mistakes but it's not my native
language. I'm russian.
Good fishing season to everybody.

Vladimir L.



Nice and informative post... thanks... hmmmm Vladimir L., no relation to....
oh never mind.

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How to fish the Mouse Pattern?
 

Tom Nakashima wrote:
"BJ Conner" wrote in message
oups.com...

Tom Nakashima wrote:
"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
...
Never done this before, I ordered the Mouse Pattern in a size 6 and 8,
but
not sure how to fish it. Anyone have suggestions, techniques on
fishing
the mouse pattern?
http://www.hillsdiscountflies.com/cg...tegory _Code=
thanks,
-tom



Sorry, correct link to the mouse pattern I purchased:
http://home.comcast.net/~tomnak/mouse_pattern.jpg
-tom

I would use cat gut leaders.

Two kittens were watching a tennis match. One says"I didn't know you
were so interested in tennis". "It's family, Dad's in the racquet"


Good one BJ,
a cat did bite off 20 ft of my line once when I was practicing my cast on
the lawn.
-tom

Check out Mercers Lemming. You will need a big fly box to hold all
the "Fur Bearing" flys. Have you considered getting a few patterns to
imitate the fur bearing trout?

http://gallery.bcentral.com/GID48602...ke.aspx?Page=2

How to fish the Mouse Pattern? (Here's how it's done)
 

"Vladimir L." wrote in message
...
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:07:19 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:16:41 -0600, Willi
wrote:

Although I agree with your post in principal (whatever that means), mice
can be an important food source. There was a reservoir up in Wyoming
where mice/rodents made up something like 90% (by weight) of the trouts'
diet. When I first read the study I was amazed. The reservoir is a
large one and it lacked a forage base. The trout population was low but
consisted of some VERY big fish. The Wyoming DOW used the study to make
the decision to stock the reservoir with a fish to serve as a forage
base for the games fishes.

The guides in Kamchatka had a rainbow killed by the sport
over-playing it and taking too long to remove the hook. They said
that there was 4 mice in the trout's stomach. As you say, in some
parts of the world, the mouse is a major food source for big fish,

Still at Lakewood. Water flow is 4200 cfs. Not many good places to
fish without a boat. Managed a couple of nice brookies on dries this
a.m. at Wing Dam Pool.




Hi everybody here.

May be the thread is finished but I would like to share some of my own
experience with you guys. In the mid of 80's I used to fish on
Siberian rivers in Eastern Siberia (East of lake Baikal). We used
homemade Mouse Pattern and I remember that we used to fish on the
pattern always in a night time. Why at night? Cause the mice are the
night feeders. They are very careful during a bright time of day and
swimming through the rivers only in a night time. And trout (we called
it Lenok in russian) knows about the mice habit. We were pretty
successful with the Mouse Pattern.
Sorry for my English and possible mistakes but it's not my native
language. I'm russian.
Good fishing season to everybody.

Vladimir L.


Vladimir,
thanks for the input on fishing the mouse pattern. I'll try casting at
night as well as day on the Arolik, Alaska, using
the mouse.
-tom

How to fish the Mouse Pattern? (Here's how it's done)
 

"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
...

Vladimir,
thanks for the input on fishing the mouse pattern. I'll try casting at
night as well as day on the Arolik, Alaska, using
the mouse.
-tom

I take that back, 21 hours of daylight in Alaska,
-tom