How many people read ROFF?
 

There are at most two dozen or so regular posters. Who knows how many
lurkers or occasional posters? Well, now I have a greatest-lower-bound
approximation for this.

So far, almost 80 people have viewed my two videos on YouTube (79 for
the heron and 77 for the salmon). I suspect all but a small handful came
to them from ROFF. YouTube is deluged with videos. Most of them get very
little attention, including ones far better than mine.

We can safely assume that there are about 80 ROFF readers with
high-bandwidth Internet connections.

I'm proposing an experiment to get better data. Click on one or the
other of the YouTube videos and post a comment, identifying yourself as
being from ROFF. You don't even have to watch them. I don't care. Just
say "ROFF" or whatever else you want in the comments. You can even
insult me if it makes you feel good. :-)

The URLs a

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUIhNmC-diI
(heron)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRnxKgZJws4
(salmon)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

How many people read ROFF?
 

rw wrote:
There are at most two dozen or so regular posters. Who knows how many
lurkers or occasional posters? Well, now I have a greatest-lower-bound
approximation for this.

The standard Usenet approximation is 10:1 total readers to
regular posters. So if your two dozen regular posters is
accurate the best guess would be about 240 total readers.

I'm proposing an experiment to get better data. ...

Uh oh, not again. Your "experiments" tend to generate more
heat than data. What was it, hauling loads the rod ? ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

How many people read ROFF?
 

Ken Fortenberry wrote:

Uh oh, not again. Your "experiments" tend to generate more
heat than data. What was it, hauling loads the rod ? ;-)

Actually, Ken, that experiment threw cold water on the fire because it
settled the argument once and for all. :-)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

How many people read ROFF?
 

How many people read ROFF?
 

"rw" wrote

Screw it.

actually, i think you are way short on your "regulars" count. i would
put it closer to 40-50.

check out a two week posting period and see what you think.

yfitons
wayno

How many people read ROFF?
 

Judging from many of the replies, I'd say a lot less than the number who
look at the squiggly lines and pretty colors on the
compuMicroWindowsTVthingy...or the iFruit, as the case may be...

HTH,
R

How many people read ROFF?
 

"Wayne Harrison" wrote in message
...

"rw" wrote

Screw it.

actually, i think you are way short on your "regulars" count. i would
put it closer to 40-50....

I agree. What's more, there are also quite a few irregulars. And I sure
would like to know how that "standard Usenet approximation" of 10 readers to
each poster was derived.

Wolfgang
who, in any case, thinks the real reason for this thread.....and its
antecedent.....is just about as funny as anything can be. :)

How many people read ROFF?
 

Wolfgang wrote:
... And I sure
would like to know how that "standard Usenet approximation" of 10 readers to
each poster was derived. ...

It's a guesstimate that works for most newsgroups in the Big 8.
I really don't know how it was derived but if you Google up
usenet arbitron readership you'll get more info than you want
to read.

--
Ken Fortenberry

How many people read ROFF?
 

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
om...
Wolfgang wrote:
... And I sure would like to know how that "standard Usenet
approximation" of 10 readers to each poster was derived. ...

It's a guesstimate that works for most newsgroups in the Big 8.

Says who?

I really don't know how it was derived but if you Google up
usenet arbitron readership you'll get more info than you want
to read.

I don't want more information than I want to read. How's about you just
summarize it for all of us.

Wolfgang

How many people read ROFF?
 

In article , says...

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
om...
Wolfgang wrote:
... And I sure would like to know how that "standard Usenet
approximation" of 10 readers to each poster was derived. ...

It's a guesstimate that works for most newsgroups in the Big 8.

Says who?

I really don't know how it was derived but if you Google up
usenet arbitron readership you'll get more info than you want
to read.

I don't want more information than I want to read. How's about you just
summarize it for all of us.

Wolfgang

I assume system administrators can monitor the usenet reads of their
users. If enough of the system administrators pooled their data you
can put together a decent approximation once your sample size is
large enough.

Sys admins like to know these type of things, I'm sure that's where
the guideline came from.
- Ken

How many people read ROFF?
 

Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Wolfgang wrote:
I really don't know how it was derived but if you Google up
usenet arbitron readership you'll get more info than you want
to read.

I don't want more information than I want to read. How's about you just
summarize it for all of us.

A survey of the readership comprising a significant sample
size is conducted to determine total readership. The number
of unique posters over a 14 day period is counted to determine
regular posters. The number of total readers is usually about
ten times the number of regular posters for most newsgroups.
It's not exact, it's just a guess, but it was always close
enough for government work.

--
Ken Fortenberry

How many people read ROFF?
 

"rw" wrote in message
m...
There are at most two dozen or so regular posters. Who knows how many
lurkers or occasional posters? Well, now I have a greatest-lower-bound
approximation for this.

So far, almost 80 people have viewed my two videos on YouTube (79 for
the heron and 77 for the salmon). I suspect all but a small handful came
to them from ROFF. YouTube is deluged with videos. Most of them get very
little attention, including ones far better than mine.

We can safely assume that there are about 80 ROFF readers with
high-bandwidth Internet connections.

I'm proposing an experiment to get better data. Click on one or the
other of the YouTube videos and post a comment, identifying yourself as
being from ROFF. You don't even have to watch them. I don't care. Just
say "ROFF" or whatever else you want in the comments. You can even
insult me if it makes you feel good. :-)

The URLs a

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUIhNmC-diI
(heron)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRnxKgZJws4
(salmon)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.


Well, I viewed both of them. The heron one was great. I'm really
empathizing with the meal these days.

Ric

How many people read ROFF?
 

In article ,
says...
wrote:
I assume system administrators can monitor the usenet reads of their
users. ...

YIKES !! That's something most NNTP admins would never do. Or
at least we never did back in the day. That would be like the
library keeping track of all the books you checked out. The
cops can't subpoena what you don't have so the library doesn't
keep a record of you checking out _The Anarchist's Cookbook_
back in '91 and your NNTP admin doesn't keep a record of you
reading soc.motss.

Of course, this was all pre 9-11, gawd only knows what goes on
nowadays but so far as I know once you return a book to the UI
library there is no record of you having checked it out. I hope
the same is still true of NNTP logs.

Keeping bulk statistics has always been done. Nothing personally
identifiable was kept. I've personally seen the web viewing
request statistics emanating(SP?) from a given webserver (pre 9-11
days). This was back in the early web days. I always assumed
they looked at what usenet groups were requested from the server
even if just to decide which groups they didn't have to carry.
- Ken

How many people read ROFF?
 

rw wrote:
There are at most two dozen or so regular posters. Who knows how many
lurkers or occasional posters? Well, now I have a greatest-lower-bound
approximation for this.

So far, almost 80 people have viewed my two videos on YouTube (79 for
the heron and 77 for the salmon). I suspect all but a small handful came
to them from ROFF. YouTube is deluged with videos. Most of them get very
little attention, including ones far better than mine.

We can safely assume that there are about 80 ROFF readers with
high-bandwidth Internet connections.

I'm proposing an experiment to get better data. Click on one or the
other of the YouTube videos and post a comment, identifying yourself as
being from ROFF. You don't even have to watch them. I don't care. Just
say "ROFF" or whatever else you want in the comments. You can even
insult me if it makes you feel good. :-)

The URLs a

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUIhNmC-diI
(heron)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRnxKgZJws4
(salmon)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

There were 320 ROFF subscribers 30 seconds ago. Who the hell knows how
many read the group. I'd guestimate perhaps ALL from time to time?
Does that sound right?

david N.

How many people read ROFF?
 

Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Wolfgang wrote:

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:

Wolfgang wrote:
I really don't know how it was derived but if you Google up
usenet arbitron readership you'll get more info than you want
to read.


I don't want more information than I want to read. How's about you
just summarize it for all of us.


A survey of the readership comprising a significant sample
size is conducted to determine total readership. The number
of unique posters over a 14 day period is counted to determine
regular posters. The number of total readers is usually about
ten times the number of regular posters for most newsgroups.
It's not exact, it's just a guess, but it was always close
enough for government work.

The NSA has the exact figures.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

How many people read ROFF?
 

David wrote:

There were 320 ROFF subscribers 30 seconds ago.

Only 320 subscribers, world-wide? Are you serious? How did you determine
that?

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

How many people read ROFF?
 

"rw" wrote in message
m...
I'm proposing an experiment to get better data.

I don't subscribe to ROFF, so don't count me!

Op

How many people read ROFF?
 

Alaskan420 wrote:

... I'm really
empathizing with the meal these days.

Poor baby. Perhaps if you weren't such a disgusting,
bigoted, ignorant piece of **** you might be able to
actually converse with decent people on a fly fishing
Usenet newsgroup without feeling like a punctured rat.

I suppose rw is owed an apology, (not that he's gonna
get one ;-), for my calling you a putz. You're not a
putz. You are a vile and pathetic homophobe and better
described as vermin.

--
Ken Fortenberry

How many people read ROFF?
 

wrote in message
...
Judging from many of the replies, I'd say a lot less than the number who
look at the squiggly lines and pretty colors on the
compuMicroWindowsTVthingy...or the iFruit, as the case may be...

HTH,
R

yup, the exact thinking that popped into my mind at the mere sight of the
thread title......I figure some days the total can't be more than 4 people,
5 at the most........
Tom

How many people read ROFF?
 

rw wrote:
There are at most two dozen or so regular posters. Who knows how many
lurkers or occasional posters? Well, now I have a greatest-lower-bound
approximation for this.

So far, almost 80 people have viewed my two videos on YouTube (79 for
the heron and 77 for the salmon). I suspect all but a small handful came
to them from ROFF. YouTube is deluged with videos. Most of them get very
little attention, including ones far better than mine.

We can safely assume that there are about 80 ROFF readers with
high-bandwidth Internet connections.

I'm proposing an experiment to get better data. Click on one or the
other of the YouTube videos and post a comment, identifying yourself as
being from ROFF. You don't even have to watch them. I don't care. Just
say "ROFF" or whatever else you want in the comments. You can even
insult me if it makes you feel good. :-)

The URLs a

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUIhNmC-diI
(heron)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRnxKgZJws4
(salmon)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Please upload 'em to www.maniatv.com as well. That's my currenty spot
for good vids.

OBRoff: An overcoat of Loons Hard Head over flashabou makes for a great
reflective pox back. If you're tying a bunch of flashbacks anyway, try
a few drops of the goop. Great stuff.

Your pal,

TBone

How many people read ROFF?
 

Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Wolfgang wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Wolfgang wrote:
I really don't know how it was derived but if you Google up
usenet arbitron readership you'll get more info than you want
to read.

I don't want more information than I want to read. How's about you just
summarize it for all of us.

A survey of the readership comprising a significant sample
size is conducted to determine total readership. The number
of unique posters over a 14 day period is counted to determine
regular posters. The number of total readers is usually about
ten times the number of regular posters for most newsgroups.

Hm......

Well, that raises a whole lot more questions than it answers.

It's not exact, it's just a guess, but it was always close
enough for government work.

The only part of this that's useable is "it's just a guess." But then,
I already knew that.

Thanks, anyway.

Wolfgang

How many people read ROFF?
 

rw wrote:
David wrote:

There were 320 ROFF subscribers 30 seconds ago.

Only 320 subscribers, world-wide? Are you serious? How did you determine
that?

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

via google Click on ROFF header and it takes you to lisiting of
usenet groups that are similar including ROFF. Each group is listed
with total number of subscribers, and a statement regarding its
*activity level* i.e. low, medium or high.... vis...

**Group description: Fly fishing in general.
Category: Recreation Outdoors, Language: English
High activity, 320 subscribers, Usenet ***

David N.

How many people read ROFF?
 

David wrote:
via google Click on ROFF header and it takes you to lisiting of
usenet groups that are similar including ROFF. Each group is listed
with total number of subscriberssnip

Completely missing the point that Google only counts subscribers who read
the group through Google.
--
Stan Gula
http://gula.org/roffswaps

How many people read ROFF?
 

On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:00:00 -0600, rw
wrote:

There are at most two dozen or so regular posters. Who knows how many
lurkers or occasional posters? Well, now I have a greatest-lower-bound
approximation for this.

So far, almost 80 people have viewed my two videos on YouTube (79 for
the heron and 77 for the salmon). I suspect all but a small handful came
to them from ROFF. YouTube is deluged with videos. Most of them get very
little attention, including ones far better than mine.

We can safely assume that there are about 80 ROFF readers with
high-bandwidth Internet connections.

I'm proposing an experiment to get better data. Click on one or the
other of the YouTube videos and post a comment, identifying yourself as
being from ROFF. You don't even have to watch them. I don't care. Just
say "ROFF" or whatever else you want in the comments. You can even
insult me if it makes you feel good. :-)

The URLs a

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUIhNmC-diI
(heron)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRnxKgZJws4
(salmon)

Thanks for the videos. I didn't leave a comment on either one.
Watched the salmon last night, the heron today. I don't recall ever
leaving a comment on a Web site (other than the WFFB), nor do I
subscribe to many.

I am, by the by, low bandwidth, so I often wait for others to respond
in a group to give me a clue as to whether or not it's worth the time.
These were.
--

r.bc: vixen
Speaker to squirrels, willow watcher, etc..
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless. Really.

Don't ask me what time it is lest I'm of
a mood to tell you how to make a clock.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

How many people read ROFF?
 

On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 02:07:32 GMT, "Stan Gula"
wrote:

David wrote:
via google Click on ROFF header and it takes you to lisiting of
usenet groups that are similar including ROFF. Each group is listed
with total number of subscriberssnip

Completely missing the point that Google only counts subscribers who read
the group through Google.

Um, could it also be that is merely the number of Google accounts that
have "subscribed" to ROFF, in no way directly indicating actual people
who _read_ ROFF? If so, in theory, one nut who never read a single post
could be reflected as 320 "subscribers"...

TC,
R

How many people read ROFF?
 

David wrote:
rw wrote:

David wrote:

There were 320 ROFF subscribers 30 seconds ago.

Only 320 subscribers, world-wide? Are you serious? How did you determine
that?

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.


via google Click on ROFF header and it takes you to lisiting of
usenet groups that are similar including ROFF. Each group is listed
with total number of subscribers, and a statement regarding its
*activity level* i.e. low, medium or high.... vis...

**Group description: Fly fishing in general.
Category: Recreation Outdoors, Language: English
High activity, 320 subscribers, Usenet ***

Aren't those just the subscribers in Google Groups?

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

How many people read ROFF?
 

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 02:07:32 GMT, "Stan Gula"
wrote:

David wrote:
via google Click on ROFF header and it takes you to lisiting of
usenet groups that are similar including ROFF. Each group is listed
with total number of subscriberssnip

Completely missing the point that Google only counts subscribers who read
the group through Google.

Um, could it also be that is merely the number of Google accounts that
have "subscribed" to ROFF, in no way directly indicating actual people
who _read_ ROFF? If so, in theory, one nut who never read a single post
could be reflected as 320 "subscribers"...


At the peak, I was getting 5-8 emails a month from folks who googled 'Congo'
and encountered the 'Life in Congo' posts, so my personal guesstimate was
that about 50 people a month were accessing them through ROFF (the primary
place I posted them). I think the subscriber's list doesn't count those who
come across ROFF posts while researching other things; should we consider
them to be 'people who read ROFF?'

--riverman

How many people read ROFF?
 

Great videos ROFF!

--
Fred Lebow

"rw" wrote in message
m...
There are at most two dozen or so regular posters. Who knows how many
lurkers or occasional posters? Well, now I have a greatest-lower-bound
approximation for this.

So far, almost 80 people have viewed my two videos on YouTube (79 for the
heron and 77 for the salmon). I suspect all but a small handful came to
them from ROFF. YouTube is deluged with videos. Most of them get very
little attention, including ones far better than mine.

We can safely assume that there are about 80 ROFF readers with
high-bandwidth Internet connections.

I'm proposing an experiment to get better data. Click on one or the other
of the YouTube videos and post a comment, identifying yourself as being
from ROFF. You don't even have to watch them. I don't care. Just say
"ROFF" or whatever else you want in the comments. You can even insult me
if it makes you feel good. :-)

The URLs a

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUIhNmC-diI
(heron)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRnxKgZJws4
(salmon)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

How many people read ROFF?
 

On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 11:50:14 +0800, "riverman" wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 02:07:32 GMT, "Stan Gula"
wrote:

David wrote:
via google Click on ROFF header and it takes you to lisiting of
usenet groups that are similar including ROFF. Each group is listed
with total number of subscriberssnip

Completely missing the point that Google only counts subscribers who read
the group through Google.

Um, could it also be that is merely the number of Google accounts that
have "subscribed" to ROFF, in no way directly indicating actual people
who _read_ ROFF? If so, in theory, one nut who never read a single post
could be reflected as 320 "subscribers"...


At the peak, I was getting 5-8 emails a month from folks who googled 'Congo'
and encountered the 'Life in Congo' posts, so my personal guesstimate was
that about 50 people a month were accessing them through ROFF (the primary
place I posted them). I think the subscriber's list doesn't count those who
come across ROFF posts while researching other things; should we consider
them to be 'people who read ROFF?'

Either way you wish. What I meant was that someone could "subscribe" to
ROFF, read a post or two or none, and never look again, but be "a
subscriber." Also, one person could "subscribe" a number of accounts,
for legit reasons, such as changing email addys, silly reasons, such as
just because, or sock-puppet reasons. Unless there is some way to
determine discreet individuals who actually "read" ROFF on a half-way
regular basis, the number is meaningless. And if there is a way to
determine such, the number is meaningless. Why does anyone care how
many people read a newsgroup, whether they do or don't participate? If
some merely enjoy reading it as entertainment or as a source of info
without feeling the need to participate, so be it and good for them, and
if they are too scared, whatever to ever post, they are meaningless
with regard to and in the context of the NG.

TC,
R

--riverman

How many people read ROFF?
 

rw wrote:

So far, almost 80 people have viewed my two videos on YouTube (79 for
the heron and 77 for the salmon). I suspect all but a small handful came
to them from ROFF. YouTube is deluged with videos. Most of them get very
little attention, including ones far better than mine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUIhNmC-diI
(heron)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRnxKgZJws4
(salmon)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

For 3 or 4 years I practically lived on ROFF. It's a shame what's
become of it.It's become a stagnant backwater of on line FF discourse.
In my experience that seems to be true of newsgroups in general.I have
a look at roff several times a week but there is seldom a thread on
which I want to post a response.

How many people read ROFF?
 

In article . com,
says...

rw wrote:

So far, almost 80 people have viewed my two videos on YouTube (79 for
the heron and 77 for the salmon). I suspect all but a small handful came
to them from ROFF. YouTube is deluged with videos. Most of them get very
little attention, including ones far better than mine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUIhNmC-diI
(heron)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRnxKgZJws4
(salmon)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

For 3 or 4 years I practically lived on ROFF. It's a shame what's
become of it.It's become a stagnant backwater of on line FF discourse.
In my experience that seems to be true of newsgroups in general.I have
a look at roff several times a week but there is seldom a thread on
which I want to post a response.

Until this one, Eh? ;-)
- Ken

How many people read ROFF?
 

On 14 Jun 2006 21:17:52 -0700, "RalphH" wrote:


rw wrote:

So far, almost 80 people have viewed my two videos on YouTube (79 for
the heron and 77 for the salmon). I suspect all but a small handful came
to them from ROFF. YouTube is deluged with videos. Most of them get very
little attention, including ones far better than mine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUIhNmC-diI
(heron)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRnxKgZJws4
(salmon)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

For 3 or 4 years I practically lived on ROFF. It's a shame what's
become of it.It's become a stagnant backwater of on line FF discourse.
In my experience that seems to be true of newsgroups in general.I have
a look at roff several times a week but there is seldom a thread on
which I want to post a response.

Lemmee guess - you watch Citizen Kane 3 or 4 times a week, just hoping
he'll say "Gardenia" or "Azalea" or "African Violet" or SOMETHING
besides "Rosebud"...and lemmee further guess it's troublemaking punks
like me that make your several-times-a-week looksee make you realize
what a stagnant backwater this ******** really is...

How many people read ROFF?
 

In article ,
says...
Of course, this was all pre 9-11, gawd only knows what goes on
nowadays but so far as I know once you return a book to the UI
library there is no record of you having checked it out.


I kinda miss the days when you signed your name on the card in
the sleeve glued to the inside cover of the book. It was fun
to see who had read a book before you. I came to recognize
several names of people who apparently had similar tastes, and
seeing their names often tipped the balance when I was trying
to decide if I wanted to read a book or not.

Kevin

How many people read ROFF?
 

What was it, hauling loads the rod ? ;-)

rw Actually, Ken, that experiment threw cold water on the fire
rw because it settled the argument once and for all. :-)

And the result was?

--
Jarmo Hurri

Commercial email countermeasures included in header email
address. Remove all garbage from header email address when replying,
or just use .

How many people read ROFF?
 

rw wrote:
There are at most two dozen or so regular posters. Who knows how many
lurkers or occasional posters? Well, now I have a greatest-lower-bound
approximation for this.

So far, almost 80 people have viewed my two videos on YouTube (79 for
the heron and 77 for the salmon). I suspect all but a small handful came
to them from ROFF. YouTube is deluged with videos. Most of them get very
little attention, including ones far better than mine.

We can safely assume that there are about 80 ROFF readers with
high-bandwidth Internet connections.

I'm proposing an experiment to get better data. Click on one or the
other of the YouTube videos and post a comment, identifying yourself as
being from ROFF. You don't even have to watch them. I don't care. Just
say "ROFF" or whatever else you want in the comments. You can even
insult me if it makes you feel good. :-)

The URLs a

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUIhNmC-diI
(heron)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRnxKgZJws4
(salmon)

Regular UK reader - delight in all the stream fishing - I only have
still water, but good trout on buzzers, nyphs and dries

Gordon

How many people read ROFF?
 

Jarmo Hurri wrote:
What was it, hauling loads the rod ? ;-)


rw Actually, Ken, that experiment threw cold water on the fire
rw because it settled the argument once and for all. :-)

And the result was?


Yes. Newton's Third Law was once again confirmed experimentally.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

How many people read ROFF?
 

wrote in message
...
...Why does anyone care how
many people read a newsgroup....

Small wonder that someone who misses the simplest and most obvious of points
has absolutely nothing to say. :)

Wolfgang

How many people read ROFF?
 

What was it, hauling loads the rod ? ;-)
rw Actually, Ken, that experiment threw cold water on the fire
rw because it settled the argument once and for all. :-)

And the result was?

rw Yes. Newton's Third Law was once again confirmed experimentally.

Good, I was afraid that the result might have been a "no". :-)

--
Jarmo Hurri

Commercial email countermeasures included in header email
address. Remove all garbage from header email address when replying,
or just use .

How many people read ROFF?
 

well, I read ROFF every day but never post. I glean whatever info I can but
have very little to contribute. I am a tyer but a poor one but good enough
to catch some fish. I live in NC about an hour away from the mountains and
do mostly day trips and fish wets and nymphs. Mostly hatchery supported
waters but some wild. My "go to" fly is a partridge and yellow tyed with
fine wire. Thanks for letting me pick you guys brains.

How many people read ROFF?
 

cheeses of nazareth wrote in message
...
well, I read ROFF every day but never post. I glean whatever info I can
but have very little to contribute. I am a tyer but a poor one but good
enough to catch some fish. I live in NC about an hour away from the
mountains and do mostly day trips and fish wets and nymphs. Mostly
hatchery supported waters but some wild. My "go to" fly is a partridge
and yellow tyed with fine wire. Thanks for letting me pick you guys
brains.
Indian Joe rplies---nice tomeet you--I live about eight hours from N.C.
mountains so don"t get up that way too often, but do a little salt water
fishinf from kayak in local creeks off inland waterway and a little bass
fishing from kayak on local ponds.

sort of interested in your by-line--cheeses of nazareth--would you like to
expound?