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On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?
Years ago I made a prediction (here) that sports fishing would be
banned around the year 2020 and that pure, Catch and Release fishing would be causal for this. I would have to think the following website is indicitive of the direction of the animal rights groups and the more citified people who, as Russell Chatham says, "only exposure to unreconstructed nature is stepping in a pile of poodle excrement on the sidewalk". http://www.fishinghurts.com/feat-dogfish.asp?c=1509 The Norwegian's figured this out in 1998. The basic arguments were basically restated in the Norwegian Ministry of Agriculture report: http://org.nlh.no/etikkutvalget/English/catch.htm Bottom line, if you want to preserve fishing develop a taste for fish. Kill what you catch and then quit. It is the only way folks. Your pal, Halfordian Golfer |
On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?
I don't want Tim to be right about this, because ****, I like to fish. Work sucks. My kids are grown. Late in life the only pleasures left are the the three f's of happines: family friends and fishing (not fishing fighting and ****ing). ......or maybe that's the 5 good things left. But I have to say, despite all that, fishing is starting to lose its alure. When I drive up to Wolf Creek to fish the Missouri and see 100 driftboats launching at once, I just want to turn around and drive home. I have a lifelong friend Randy who won't even fish in Montana anymore. And yes, I know, because I make and popularize driftboats, I'm guiltier than most. Byt blame isn't the point. Crowded fishing conditions suck. And there's a connection lurking there too, between pain-in-the ass crowded fishing conditions and what Tim's been talking about. I remember when my dad and I first started fishing Sough Creek and the Lamar in Yellowstone in the early 1960s. We'd fish all week long and see maybe 2- 3 other fishermen. And we knew all three of them. That's what I really liked about fishing in Montana, way back then. And those days are long gone, forever. |
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On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?
Perhaps you are correct.
With over population and urban sprawl And global warming, pollution and all the other issues Sport fishing will be a thing of the past. Humans tend to stick their heads up their asses. Esp Americans like George W Bush He surely represents most Americans We all saw and now see this coming rapidly What do we do about it? **** - Bomb Iraq that's a good option. Keep drilling for oil EVERYWHERE That's another great option! Fred -- Fred Lebow wrote in message ups.com... wrote: I don't want Tim to be right about this, because ****, I like to fish. Work sucks. My kids are grown. Late in life the only pleasures left are the the three f's of happines: family friends and fishing (not fishing fighting and ****ing). .....or maybe that's the 5 good things left. But I have to say, despite all that, fishing is starting to lose its alure. When I drive up to Wolf Creek to fish the Missouri and see 100 driftboats launching at once, I just want to turn around and drive home. I have a lifelong friend Randy who won't even fish in Montana anymore. And yes, I know, because I make and popularize driftboats, I'm guiltier than most. Byt blame isn't the point. Crowded fishing conditions suck. And there's a connection lurking there too, between pain-in-the ass crowded fishing conditions and what Tim's been talking about. I remember when my dad and I first started fishing Sough Creek and the Lamar in Yellowstone in the early 1960s. We'd fish all week long and see maybe 2- 3 other fishermen. And we knew all three of them. That's what I really liked about fishing in Montana, way back then. And those days are long gone, forever. That's how I remember it too. There was a time, if you saw someone, or a car, you were obliged to go somewhere else or make a damned good effort to go up and around a long way above or below him to fish, hopefully without him never being made aware of your presence. Fishing to 'unspooked' fish was a primary quality of the experience. Then, to go back to camp or home, with a few fish, eaten and never, ever wasted, was the fishing experience. I remember the first time a 'guide' waded right through my drift on the frying pan, I'll never forget that. I don't think that they will ever be successful at eliminating subsistence fishing, but, pure catch and release and no biological management justification, will lose, and might lose to a popular vote if put to it today. Your pal, Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel |
On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?
Fred Lebow wrote:
Perhaps you are correct. With over population and urban sprawl And global warming, pollution and all the other issues Sport fishing will be a thing of the past. Humans tend to stick their heads up their asses. Esp Americans like George W Bush He surely represents most Americans We all saw and now see this coming rapidly What do we do about it? **** - Bomb Iraq that's a good option. Keep drilling for oil EVERYWHERE That's another great option! No, no, no, Fred. You just don't get it. The REAL problem is catch and release fishing. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?
On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:45:35 -0700, Sandy.Pittendrigh wrote:
I don't want Tim to be right about this, because ****, I like to fish. Work sucks. My kids are grown. Late in life the only pleasures left are the the three f's of happines: family friends and fishing (not fishing fighting and ****ing). .....or maybe that's the 5 good things left. But I have to say, despite all that, fishing is starting to lose its alure. When I drive up to Wolf Creek to fish the Missouri and see 100 driftboats launching at once, I just want to turn around and drive home. I have a lifelong friend Randy who won't even fish in Montana anymore. And yes, I know, because I make and popularize driftboats, I'm guiltier than most. Byt blame isn't the point. Crowded fishing conditions suck. And there's a connection lurking there too, between pain-in-the ass crowded fishing conditions and what Tim's been talking about. I remember when my dad and I first started fishing Sough Creek and the Lamar in Yellowstone in the early 1960s. We'd fish all week long and see maybe 2- 3 other fishermen. And we knew all three of them. That's what I really liked about fishing in Montana, way back then. And those days are long gone, forever. SP: Back east, at least there are many unfishable, polluted, sterile streams. Extractive industry ( coal in Pa. ) raped those streams in the 20th century. I understand -- from silver and gold mine tailings -- Idaho is even worse .... so now there's work to do. Can't just stick your hands in your pockets and spit. nss ******** |
On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?
rw typed: Fred Lebow wrote: Perhaps you are correct. With over population and urban sprawl And global warming, pollution and all the other issues Sport fishing will be a thing of the past. Humans tend to stick their heads up their asses. snipped political troll No, no, no, Fred. You just don't get it. The REAL problem is catch and release fishing. The *real* problem is top posting. -- TL, Tim --------------------------- http://css.sbcma.com/timj/ |
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wrote: In article .com, says... Years ago I made a prediction (here) that sports fishing would be banned around the year 2020 and that pure, Catch and Release fishing would be causal for this. Hopefully you'll still be around in 2020. I'll enjoy laughing at you. ;-) [snip] And it will start with the state parks. ---------- http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_.../headline/1129 http://www.animalrights.net/archives...02/000019.html http://www.peta.com/living/AT-Spring1999/actions.html ---------- Your pal, Halfordian Golfer It is impossible to catch and release a wild trout. |
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On 25 Jul 2006 06:55:16 -0700, wrote:
And it will start with the state parks. ---------- http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_.../headline/1129 http://www.animalrights.net/archives...02/000019.html http://www.peta.com/living/AT-Spring1999/actions.html ---------- Your pal, Halfordian Golfer It is impossible to catch and release a wild trout. When you and your PETA buddies come to Georgia to shut down put and take fishing in the state parks, let me know. It should be fun to watch. -- Charlie... http://www.chocphoto.com |
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"Charlie Choc" wrote in message ... On 25 Jul 2006 06:55:16 -0700, wrote: And it will start with the state parks. ---------- http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_.../headline/1129 http://www.animalrights.net/archives...02/000019.html http://www.peta.com/living/AT-Spring1999/actions.html ---------- Your pal, Halfordian Golfer It is impossible to catch and release a wild trout. When you and your PETA buddies come to Georgia to shut down put and take fishing in the state parks, let me know. It should be fun to watch. Things change......sometimes. It is entirely possible that "sport" angling is doomed.....eventually. It even seems highly likely to me, for reasons that it would obviously be futile to go into here. That said, I agree with you given the time span that timmy has stipulated for the success of his venture. If the slavering anti-fishing hordes invade the backwoods of northern Curdistan or da Yoop in 2020 the venture will lend new and poignant meaning to the term "blood sport." :) Wolfgang |
On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?
Wolfgang wrote: "Charlie Choc" wrote in message ... On 25 Jul 2006 06:55:16 -0700, wrote: And it will start with the state parks. ---------- http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_.../headline/1129 http://www.animalrights.net/archives...02/000019.html http://www.peta.com/living/AT-Spring1999/actions.html ---------- Your pal, Halfordian Golfer It is impossible to catch and release a wild trout. When you and your PETA buddies come to Georgia to shut down put and take fishing in the state parks, let me know. It should be fun to watch. Things change......sometimes. It is entirely possible that "sport" angling is doomed.....eventually. It even seems highly likely to me, for reasons that it would obviously be futile to go into here. That said, I agree with you given the time span that timmy has stipulated for the success of his venture. If the slavering anti-fishing hordes invade the backwoods of northern Curdistan or da Yoop in 2020 the venture will lend new and poignant meaning to the term "blood sport." :) That attitude, and basic unpreparedness, is precisely what will win it for them. Your pal, TBone |
On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?
wrote in message ups.com... Wolfgang wrote: "Charlie Choc" wrote in message ... On 25 Jul 2006 06:55:16 -0700, wrote: And it will start with the state parks. ---------- http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_.../headline/1129 http://www.animalrights.net/archives...02/000019.html http://www.peta.com/living/AT-Spring1999/actions.html ---------- Your pal, Halfordian Golfer It is impossible to catch and release a wild trout. When you and your PETA buddies come to Georgia to shut down put and take fishing in the state parks, let me know. It should be fun to watch. Things change......sometimes. It is entirely possible that "sport" angling is doomed.....eventually. It even seems highly likely to me, for reasons that it would obviously be futile to go into here. That said, I agree with you given the time span that timmy has stipulated for the success of his venture. If the slavering anti-fishing hordes invade the backwoods of northern Curdistan or da Yoop in 2020 the venture will lend new and poignant meaning to the term "blood sport." :) That attitude, and basic unpreparedness, is precisely what will win it for them. Attitude? Did I express an attitude and no one told me? Well, that's just plain rude. :( Your pal, TBone Dumbass. Wolfgang |
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On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?
given that PETA is largely a laughing-stock in the general public, with
little or no traction for their ideas, I would say (as I did when you stated this stuff 7 years ago or more), it is VERY unlikely. I merely look around my PA local area at prevalent attitudes and see two key trends: 1. The tradition of angling is still strong, and pressure to preserve waters for fishing is still strong 2. Aging populations will, as others suggest lead to a diminishing pressure upon the resource to the point where it will be a non-issue. now, fact 2 could be used to argue that the PETA crowd will win out via lesser resistance, but I feel much of the resistance to their agenda is in the pure silliness of the approach and arguments. Time will tell....... Tom |
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wrote: I don't want Tim to be right about this, because ****, I like to fish. Work sucks. My kids are grown. Late in life the only pleasures left are the the three f's of happines: family friends and fishing (not fishing fighting and ****ing). .....or maybe that's the 5 good things left. But I have to say, despite all that, fishing is starting to lose its alure. When I drive up to Wolf Creek to fish the Missouri and see 100 driftboats launching at once, I just want to turn around and drive home. I have a lifelong friend Randy who won't even fish in Montana anymore. And yes, I know, because I make and popularize driftboats, I'm guiltier than most. Byt blame isn't the point. Crowded fishing conditions suck. And there's a connection lurking there too, between pain-in-the ass crowded fishing conditions and what Tim's been talking about. I remember when my dad and I first started fishing Sough Creek and the Lamar in Yellowstone in the early 1960s. We'd fish all week long and see maybe 2- 3 other fishermen. And we knew all three of them. That's what I really liked about fishing in Montana, way back then. And those days are long gone, forever. That's how I remember it too. There was a time, if you saw someone, or a car, you were obliged to go somewhere else or make a damned good effort to go up and around a long way above or below him to fish, hopefully without him never being made aware of your presence. Fishing to 'unspooked' fish was a primary quality of the experience. Then, to go back to camp or home, with a few fish, eaten and never, ever wasted, was the fishing experience. I remember the first time a 'guide' waded right through my drift on the frying pan, I'll never forget that. I don't think that they will ever be successful at eliminating subsistence fishing, but, pure catch and release and no biological management justification, will lose, and might lose to a popular vote if put to it today. Your pal, Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel not too many days ago, i fished lower slough from the lamar junction, up the lower canyon, and to the 1st parking lot trail...i knew 2 of the 5 people i saw on the water that day. it ain't all gone yet for those that will look... |
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Tim J. wrote:
rw typed: Fred Lebow wrote: Perhaps you are correct. With over population and urban sprawl And global warming, pollution and all the other issues Sport fishing will be a thing of the past. Humans tend to stick their heads up their asses. snipped political troll No, no, no, Fred. You just don't get it. The REAL problem is catch and release fishing. The *real* problem is top posting. yet another dogmatic republican response g... |
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Tom Littleton wrote: given that PETA is largely a laughing-stock in the general public, with little or no traction for their ideas, I would say (as I did when you stated this stuff 7 years ago or more), it is VERY unlikely. I merely look around my PA local area at prevalent attitudes and see two key trends: 1. The tradition of angling is still strong, and pressure to preserve waters for fishing is still strong Pressure to preserve (and rehabilitate) waters is getting stronger daily......despite the appalling (if not surprising) lack of leadership at the level of national governments. Even "business" is coming.....however belatedly and reluctantly.....to the inexpicably correct conclusion that preservation and restoration is in its own best interests both in the near and the long terms. Of course, none of this is necessarily related to our own self-interested reasons, but fishing (for whatever purpose and by most common methods) has traditionally resonated strongly with the general populace wherever it has been a common practice.....a few notable exceptions (like the current societal dementia in Germany) notwithstanding, and continues to do so to this day. It does, and it will continue to, strike a powerful atavistic chord in the human psyche. On the other hand, there is an increasing tendency in technologically and economically hyperdeveloped cultures to Disnefy the animal kingdom.....or, at least those members of it that can in any way be rendered as cute. Fish, or some of them anyway, qualify. Well, this too shall pass. At any rate, it's just a symptom of something larger. Western culture has long forgotten its origins in the natural world.....and it has recently transmitted this disregard to its ******* offspring in the rest of the world, just in time for what may become a sea change in humanity's view of its relationships with the rest of the animate world. We hope so, anyway. Otherwise we're ****ing doomed along with the fish. Either way, what we do to while away our leisure time in idyllic riparian settings will be around for a couple more generations and then, one way or another, it's over. And, either way, the clowns at PETA have nothing to do with it 2. Aging populations will, as others suggest lead to a diminishing pressure upon the resource to the point where it will be a non-issue. Not necessarily true. Recruitment in excess of expected geriatric losses is not entirely impossible. As "Green" sensibilities burgeon and mature (a thing much to be hoped for.....especially among those who love the wild places where fishes thrive......right?) we could see a huge increase in the numbers of those itching to get outside and enjoy the benfits of their efforts to save the world. Where to go but the woods and fileds and streams? And what to do when you get there? Well, it has be something in keeping with the sensibilities of those who have saved it for themselves and posterity; something elegant, something cerebral*, something sophisticated and stylish.....and obviously so. :) now, fact 2 could be used to argue that the PETA crowd will win out via lesser resistance, but I feel much of the resistance to their agenda is in the pure silliness of the approach and arguments. Time will tell....... Indeed it will. And what it will tell is that these impotent and intellectually sterile nitwits (and you may rest assured that, like the nitwits here in ROFF, they know who and what they are.....that's why they do what they do) are willing to settle for being knowing caricatures of human beings.....because it's better than being nothing. But, they're wrong; the distinction is spurious. Wolfgang *and we ain't talking baseball here. |
On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?
Charlie Choc wrote: On 25 Jul 2006 09:30:58 -0700, wrote: That attitude, and basic unpreparedness, is precisely what will win it for them. Just because their approach (hyperbole) resonates with you doesn't mean it will work on a majority. -- Charlie... http://www.chocphoto.com Agreed. Keep in mind that the same link to the PETA anti-fish webpage had a link to 'chickens have feelings too' and 'pigs have feelings too' and 'cows have feelings too' webpages. My bet is that sportfishing will meets its demise shortly after KFC and MickyD's go under. --riverman |
On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?
Wolfgang wrote: Tom Littleton wrote: given that PETA is largely a laughing-stock in the general public, with little or no traction for their ideas, I would say (as I did when you stated this stuff 7 years ago or more), it is VERY unlikely. I merely look around my PA local area at prevalent attitudes and see two key trends: 1. The tradition of angling is still strong, and pressure to preserve waters for fishing is still strong Pressure to preserve (and rehabilitate) waters is getting stronger daily......despite the appalling (if not surprising) lack of leadership at the level of national governments. Even "business" is coming.....however belatedly and reluctantly.....to the inexpicably correct conclusion that preservation and restoration is in its own best interests both in the near and the long terms. Of course, none of this is necessarily related to our own self-interested reasons, but fishing (for whatever purpose and by most common methods) has traditionally resonated strongly with the general populace wherever it has been a common practice.....a few notable exceptions (like the current societal dementia in Germany) notwithstanding, and continues to do so to this day. It does, and it will continue to, strike a powerful atavistic chord in the human psyche. On the other hand, there is an increasing tendency in technologically and economically hyperdeveloped cultures to Disnefy the animal kingdom.....or, at least those members of it that can in any way be rendered as cute. Fish, or some of them anyway, qualify. Well, this too shall pass. At any rate, it's just a symptom of something larger. Western culture has long forgotten its origins in the natural world.....and it has recently transmitted this disregard to its ******* offspring in the rest of the world, just in time for what may become a sea change in humanity's view of its relationships with the rest of the animate world. We hope so, anyway. Otherwise we're ****ing doomed along with the fish. Either way, what we do to while away our leisure time in idyllic riparian settings will be around for a couple more generations and then, one way or another, it's over. And, either way, the clowns at PETA have nothing to do with it 2. Aging populations will, as others suggest lead to a diminishing pressure upon the resource to the point where it will be a non-issue. Not necessarily true. Recruitment in excess of expected geriatric losses is not entirely impossible. As "Green" sensibilities burgeon and mature (a thing much to be hoped for.....especially among those who love the wild places where fishes thrive......right?) we could see a huge increase in the numbers of those itching to get outside and enjoy the benfits of their efforts to save the world. Where to go but the woods and fileds and streams? And what to do when you get there? Well, it has be something in keeping with the sensibilities of those who have saved it for themselves and posterity; something elegant, something cerebral*, something sophisticated and stylish.....and obviously so. :) now, fact 2 could be used to argue that the PETA crowd will win out via lesser resistance, but I feel much of the resistance to their agenda is in the pure silliness of the approach and arguments. Time will tell....... Indeed it will. And what it will tell is that these impotent and intellectually sterile nitwits (and you may rest assured that, like the nitwits here in ROFF, they know who and what they are.....that's why they do what they do) are willing to settle for being knowing caricatures of human beings.....because it's better than being nothing. But, they're wrong; the distinction is spurious. Wolfgang *and we ain't talking baseball here. Nice post Wolfman. Up until this time I thought you were human, like the rest of us caricatures. Say what you will. A 26' billboard of a lipless trout sponsored by the popular movie or rock star will certainly capture the attention of a whole lot of urbanites, wouldn't you have to agree? I'm not sure that I agree that "fishing strikes a powerful atavistic chord in the human psyche" is justification enough to warrant pure catch and release fishing. Sex too strikes a powerful atavistic chord but we can't hump everything that moves. I do believe that it much more difficult to argue the morality of subsistence fishing or fishing when it benefits the health of the fishery, a la the basics of hunting management, and I struggle with the dogma held on to by the C&R contingent to ignore this fact. Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel. |
On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?
wrote in message oups.com... Years ago I made a prediction (here) that sports fishing would be banned around the year 2020 and that pure, Catch and Release fishing would be causal for this. Tim - I am disappointed that after some years hiatus all you can come up with is the same old PETA/AR Loon propaganda and that tired old paper from a committee funded by Norway's department of agriculture - which was not the Ministry that even had jurisdiction over sport fishing in that country. The paper like most government commissioned papers was meaningless and ignored. For the sake of amusement - how do you see this ban progressing? Given that many states (and the Province in Canada I live in) have legislation guaranteeing the right to fish, what political jurisdictions do you think will be the bell weather locations for the progression of the ban? Can you name one jurisdiction where such a ban has had serious political momentum? Any "nobody" can make a predcition for anything 15 to 25 years out. Hopefully we will all be around in 14 years or so to see if your prediction comes true or if it is even close to happening for the reasons you say. -- Some of my angling snaps: http://gallery.fishbc.com/gallery/vi...bumName=RalphH |
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On 25 Jul 2006 19:03:20 -0700, wrote:
Say what you will. A 26' billboard of a lipless trout sponsored by the popular movie or rock star will certainly capture the attention of a whole lot of urbanites, wouldn't you have to agree? Yep. Teen girls and little kids will all go, "Oh, ish." And then they'll go home and have the fish sticks that mommy made for supper. Or, if more yuppie, the salmon steaks (salmon is 'in' now because of the health benefits). -- r.bc: vixen Speaker to squirrels, willow watcher, etc.. Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless. Really. http://www.visi.com/~cyli |
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On 25 Jul 2006 09:30:58 -0700, wrote:
(snipped) That said, I agree with you given the time span that timmy has stipulated for the success of his venture. If the slavering anti-fishing hordes invade the backwoods of northern Curdistan or da Yoop in 2020 the venture will lend new and poignant meaning to the term "blood sport." :) That attitude, and basic unpreparedness, is precisely what will win it for them. I think he was referring to the backwoods attitudes. Small town WI and UP is a bit more forceful about what they think their rights are than the left and right coast urbanites are. Actually, small town backwoods anywhere is pretty forceful, though sometimes they're quiet and subtle about it. -- r.bc: vixen Speaker to squirrels, willow watcher, etc.. Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless. Really. http://www.visi.com/~cyli |
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On 25 Jul 2006 19:01:41 -0700, "riverman" wrote:
Charlie Choc wrote: On 25 Jul 2006 09:30:58 -0700, wrote: That attitude, and basic unpreparedness, is precisely what will win it for them. Just because their approach (hyperbole) resonates with you doesn't mean it will work on a majority. -- Charlie... http://www.chocphoto.com Agreed. Keep in mind that the same link to the PETA anti-fish webpage had a link to 'chickens have feelings too' and 'pigs have feelings too' and 'cows have feelings too' webpages. My bet is that sportfishing will meets its demise shortly after KFC and MickyD's go under. As the Timbo's say: "When it comes to feelings, a child is a dog is a fish." I guess that means that it's OK to harm a child or dog as long as you kill and eat it afterwards. -- Charlie... http://www.chocphoto.com |
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"Fred Lebow" wrote in message ... Esp Americans like George W Bush He surely represents most Americans Sad but true - the problem with America isn't Bush. It's Americans. |
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wrote in message ups.com... Nice post Wolfman. We try. Up until this time I thought you were human, like the rest of us caricatures. Caricatures aren't human. That's why they're called caricatures. Say what you will. A 26' billboard of a lipless trout sponsored by the popular movie or rock star will certainly capture the attention of a whole lot of urbanites, wouldn't you have to agree? Refresh my memory.....who is the popular movie or rock star? At any rate, if that billboard keeps shrinking at its current rate (10 feet in the past 34 hours) I'll be greatly surprised if it captures much of anything beyond next Tuesday or thereabouts. Damage control shouldn't prove to be too taxing. I'm not sure that I agree that "fishing strikes a powerful atavistic chord in the human psyche" is justification enough to warrant pure catch and release fishing. Do I look like someone so bereft of things to do or think about that I would resort to a concern for what you agree with? Sex too strikes a powerful atavistic chord but we can't hump everything that moves. An interesting observation coming from one who gets humped by everything that moves. I do believe that it much more difficult to argue the morality of subsistence fishing or fishing when it benefits the health of the fishery, a la the basics of hunting management, and I struggle with the dogma held on to by the C&R contingent to ignore this fact. Your struggles are the stuff of legends. Not that I suppose it will do any good, but I'd feel that I failed in a civic responsibility if I neglected to suggest that your struggles might be eased somewhat if you were to spend some time examining questions rather than dealing exclusively with trying to justify a monomaniacal adherence to answers apropos of nothing in particular. On the other hand, medication is a lot simpler. Wolfgang |
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"Cyli" wrote in message ... On 25 Jul 2006 09:30:58 -0700, wrote: (snipped) That said, I agree with you given the time span that timmy has stipulated for the success of his venture. If the slavering anti-fishing hordes invade the backwoods of northern Curdistan or da Yoop in 2020 the venture will lend new and poignant meaning to the term "blood sport." :) That attitude, and basic unpreparedness, is precisely what will win it for them. I think he was referring to the backwoods attitudes. Small town WI and UP is a bit more forceful about what they think their rights are than the left and right coast urbanites are. Actually, small town backwoods anywhere is pretty forceful, though sometimes they're quiet and subtle about it. Sometimes not so subtle. As I'm sure you remember, we came very close to a shooting war over fishing rights in northern Wisconsin as recently as fifteen years ago. There were numerous violent incidents. It is little short of a miracle that no one got killed.....this time. The fire is under control, for the moment, but it is by no means out. I'll be much surprised if it doesn't flare up again in the not too distant future. Of course, this particular set of circumstances was exacerbated by virulent racism but any attempt to ban fishing (in the instant case, it was only about the perception that one group was getting more than its fair share......well, ostensibly, anyway) WOULD be met with lethal opposition. Wolfgang |
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Charlie Choc wrote: On 25 Jul 2006 19:01:41 -0700, "riverman" wrote: Charlie Choc wrote: On 25 Jul 2006 09:30:58 -0700, wrote: That attitude, and basic unpreparedness, is precisely what will win it for them. Just because their approach (hyperbole) resonates with you doesn't mean it will work on a majority. -- Charlie... http://www.chocphoto.com Agreed. Keep in mind that the same link to the PETA anti-fish webpage had a link to 'chickens have feelings too' and 'pigs have feelings too' and 'cows have feelings too' webpages. My bet is that sportfishing will meets its demise shortly after KFC and MickyD's go under. As the Timbo's say: "When it comes to feelings, a child is a dog is a fish." I guess that means that it's OK to harm a child or dog as long as you kill and eat it afterwards. Yes, this is true, but only in some cultures. TBone Guilt replaced the creel. |
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On 26 Jul 2006 09:10:04 -0700, wrote:
As the Timbo's say: "When it comes to feelings, a child is a dog is a fish." I guess that means that it's OK to harm a child or dog as long as you kill and eat it afterwards. Yes, this is true, but only in some cultures. Trick or treat must be 'interesting' for the little tykes that stop by chez Tim. -- Charlie... http://www.chocphoto.com |
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jeffc wrote:
"Fred Lebow" wrote in message ... Esp Americans like George W Bush He surely represents most Americans Sad but true - the problem with America isn't Bush. It's Americans. well, sorta but not exactly...though, i agree insofar as americans on election days. still, bush is definitely an american problem. |
On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:10:31 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote: Sometimes not so subtle. As I'm sure you remember, we came very close to a shooting war over fishing rights in northern Wisconsin as recently as fifteen years ago. There were numerous violent incidents. It is little short of a miracle that no one got killed.....this time. The fire is under control, for the moment, but it is by no means out. I'll be much surprised if it doesn't flare up again in the not too distant future. Of course, this particular set of circumstances was exacerbated by virulent racism but any attempt to ban fishing (in the instant case, it was only about the perception that one group was getting more than its fair share......well, ostensibly, anyway) WOULD be met with lethal opposition. Wolfgang In subtle, I was thinking more of leaving no evidence. Like the tourist or two that got in what they thought was some minor disagreement up there and were, reportedly, fed to the pigs. Some do have brains enough not to have a loud fight on the street in front of the bar first. Locals, that is. Can't speak for tourists on that, though if the ones I've toured with are an example, many tourists have more sense, too. But I doubt most PETAs do. -- r.bc: vixen Speaker to squirrels, willow watcher, etc.. Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless. Really. http://www.visi.com/~cyli |
On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?
wrote: Charlie Choc wrote: On 25 Jul 2006 19:01:41 -0700, "riverman" wrote: Charlie Choc wrote: On 25 Jul 2006 09:30:58 -0700, wrote: That attitude, and basic unpreparedness, is precisely what will win it for them. . As the Timbo's say: "When it comes to feelings, a child is a dog is a fish." I guess that means that it's OK to harm a child or dog as long as you kill and eat it afterwards. Yes, this is true, but only in some cultures. TBone Guilt replaced the creel. .... and which cultures would those be? |
On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?
Wolfgang wrote: "Cyli" wrote in message ... On 25 Jul 2006 09:30:58 -0700, wrote: (snipped) That said, I agree with you given the time span that timmy has stipulated for the success of his venture. If the slavering anti-fishing hordes invade the backwoods of northern Curdistan or da Yoop in 2020 the venture will lend new and poignant meaning to the term "blood sport." :) That attitude, and basic unpreparedness, is precisely what will win it for them. I think he was referring to the backwoods attitudes. Small town WI and UP is a bit more forceful about what they think their rights are than the left and right coast urbanites are. Actually, small town backwoods anywhere is pretty forceful, though sometimes they're quiet and subtle about it. Sometimes not so subtle. As I'm sure you remember, we came very close to a shooting war over fishing rights in northern Wisconsin as recently as fifteen years ago. There were numerous violent incidents. It is little short of a miracle that no one got killed.....this time. The fire is under control, for the moment, but it is by no means out. I'll be much surprised if it doesn't flare up again in the not too distant future. Of course, this particular set of circumstances was exacerbated by virulent racism but any attempt to ban fishing (in the instant case, it was only about the perception that one group was getting more than its fair share......well, ostensibly, anyway) WOULD be met with lethal opposition. Wolfgang These people are not releasing their catch because they're real fishermen (as opposed to wet golfers). They're not in danger of losing anything. Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel. |
On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?
RalphH wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Years ago I made a prediction (here) that sports fishing would be banned around the year 2020 and that pure, Catch and Release fishing would be causal for this. Tim - I am disappointed that after some years hiatus all you can come up with is the same old PETA/AR Loon propaganda and that tired old paper from a committee funded by Norway's department of agriculture - which was not the Ministry that even had jurisdiction over sport fishing in that country. The paper like most government commissioned papers was meaningless and ignored. For the sake of amusement - how do you see this ban progressing? Given that many states (and the Province in Canada I live in) have legislation guaranteeing the right to fish, what political jurisdictions do you think will be the bell weather locations for the progression of the ban? Can you name one jurisdiction where such a ban has had serious political momentum? [snip] Hi Ralph, As I have already documented, starting with the state parks. http://www.animalrights.net/archives...02/000019.html http://www.mosportsmen.com/fishing/fishnews2.htm http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_.../headline/1129 Your pal, TBone Guilt replaced the creel. |
On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?
On 27 Jul 2006 11:22:25 -0700, wrote:
RalphH wrote: For the sake of amusement - how do you see this ban progressing? Given that many states (and the Province in Canada I live in) have legislation guaranteeing the right to fish, what political jurisdictions do you think will be the bell weather locations for the progression of the ban? Can you name one jurisdiction where such a ban has had serious political momentum? [snip] Hi Ralph, As I have already documented, starting with the state parks. http://www.animalrights.net/archives...02/000019.html http://www.mosportsmen.com/fishing/fishnews2.htm http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_.../headline/1129 You crack me up, Tim. These are your examples of "serious political momentum"? g -- Charlie... http://www.chocphoto.com |
On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?
In article . com,
says... RalphH wrote: Can you name one jurisdiction where such a ban has had serious political momentum? [snip] Hi Ralph, As I have already documented, starting with the state parks. http://www.animalrights.net/archives...02/000019.html Title: "PETA Asks State Park Officials to Ban Fishing in State Parks" http://www.mosportsmen.com/fishing/fishnews2.htm Title: "DNR refuses to ban fishing in state parks" PETA requested Missouri to ban fishing. http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_.../headline/1129 "The animal rights agitators [PETA] have called on the Louisiana Office of State Parks to ban the "violent activity" of fishing at all state parks in the state that proudly calls itself the Sportsman's Paradise. " This is your justification? Even for you, this is a weak effort. Yeah, PETA want's to ban fishing, big news there. Question was, can you name one jurisdiction where such a ban has had SERIOUS POLITICAL MOMENTUM. Your "documented evidence" suggests there is none. - Ken |
On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?
wrote:
RalphH wrote: For the sake of amusement - how do you see this ban progressing? Given that many states (and the Province in Canada I live in) have legislation guaranteeing the right to fish, what political jurisdictions do you think will be the bell weather locations for the progression of the ban? Can you name one jurisdiction where such a ban has had serious political momentum? [snip] Hi Ralph, As I have already documented, starting with the state parks. http://www.animalrights.net/archives...02/000019.html http://www.mosportsmen.com/fishing/fishnews2.htm http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_.../headline/1129 Hmmm ... that certainly doesn't appear to be what I would call "serious momentum", especially given that the two spokespeople for the parks are quoted as saying they don't see any circumstances under which fishing would be banned. Chuck Vance (hardly a groundswell, IMHO) |
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