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Heading out to drive all night to the cabin on the banks of the West
Big Big Rock River in Montana.

Be back with pics and stories.

g.c.

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"George Cleveland" wrote in message
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Heading out to drive all night to the cabin on the banks of the West
Big Big Rock River in Montana.

Be back with pics and stories.

g.c.

George good luck on the Big Rock River.
My friend just sent me a book called Rocky Mountain Backcountry by Rich
Osthoff, even had him autograph it.
I believe in the book he mentions the Big Rock River, rings a bell.
We're planning to hike in 30 miles into one of the upper lakes in Montana
for the Golden Trout.
Would love to hear about trip after you get back.
-tom

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Jonathan Cook wrote:
Tom Nakashima wrote:


We're planning to hike in 30 miles into one of the upper lakes in Montana
for the Golden Trout.


I was under the impression that there wasn't any place in
the lower 48 that was that far from roads.

The trail down the Middle Fork of the Salmon in Idaho goes about 100
miles through the Frank Church Wilderness without encountering a road.
I'm pretty sure that there are places on the trail that are at least 30
miles from any road.

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On 8/7/06 12:29 PM, in article
, "rw"
wrote:

Jonathan Cook wrote:
Tom Nakashima wrote:


We're planning to hike in 30 miles into one of the upper lakes in Montana
for the Golden Trout.


I was under the impression that there wasn't any place in
the lower 48 that was that far from roads.

The trail down the Middle Fork of the Salmon in Idaho goes about 100
miles through the Frank Church Wilderness without encountering a road.
I'm pretty sure that there are places on the trail that are at least 30
miles from any road.

Apparently in the Frank Church the farthest you can get from a road is 16
miles:

http://www.leaveitwild.org/reports/W...ter_Sports.pdf

Anyhow, I think George said they'd be hiking in 30 miles, not that he'd be
30 miles from the nearest road.

Bill

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"Jonathan Cook" wrote in message
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I just finished my morning jog, starting to get in shape for
hunting season, and 30 miles would kill me ;-)
Jon.

Jon, the key is staying in shape all year around.
Here's a picture of me taken last year on my race bike.
I had ridden the Marklleeville Death Ride that year, 129 miles, 5 mountain
passes and over 10K feet of climbing in one day. Temperatures were from 38
degrees to over 100 degrees.
I'm age 52.
http://home.comcast.net/~tomnak/Tom_...raut05_019.jpg

-tom

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On 8/7/06 1:26 PM, in article , "Tom
Nakashima" wrote:


"Jonathan Cook" wrote in message
...
I just finished my morning jog, starting to get in shape for
hunting season, and 30 miles would kill me ;-)
Jon.

Jon, the key is staying in shape all year around.
Here's a picture of me taken last year on my race bike.
I had ridden the Marklleeville Death Ride that year, 129 miles, 5 mountain
passes and over 10K feet of climbing in one day. Temperatures were from 38
degrees to over 100 degrees.
I'm age 52.
http://home.comcast.net/~tomnak/Tom_...raut05_019.jpg

Hellofaride! But no helmet? You planning on hitting 53?

:-)

Helmeted,
Bill

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On 7 Aug 2006 15:27:19 GMT, (Jonathan Cook) wrote:

Maybe that's unfair
because I was using 3x leader, as opposed to 5x/6x on the SJ,
but well, I wasn't impressed.

I caught some pinks, fresh from the ocean, while in Alaska, and I
wasn't impressed either. Small fish, less than 24 inches, and they
didn't fight as much as, say, a silver of the same size.

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On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:54:43 -0400, William Claspy
wrote:

Anyhow, I think George said they'd be hiking in 30 miles, not that he'd be
30 miles from the nearest road.

It was Tom that will be doing the hiking. The Middle Fork of the
Salmon, as rw has stated, has a trail that is about 100 miles long.
While fishing it several years ago, my grandson and I encountered a
young man on horseback with a second pack horse. He was heading south
and had been on the trail for several days, stopping to fish/camp
along the way. It's times like that when I feel that I wasted my
youth. Ahhhh, to be young again.....

Dave

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"William Claspy" wrote in message
...
On 8/7/06 1:26 PM, in article , "Tom
Nakashima" wrote:


"Jonathan Cook" wrote in message
...
I just finished my morning jog, starting to get in shape for
hunting season, and 30 miles would kill me ;-)
Jon.

Jon, the key is staying in shape all year around.
Here's a picture of me taken last year on my race bike.
I had ridden the Marklleeville Death Ride that year, 129 miles, 5
mountain
passes and over 10K feet of climbing in one day. Temperatures were from
38
degrees to over 100 degrees.
I'm age 52.
http://home.comcast.net/~tomnak/Tom_...raut05_019.jpg

Hellofaride! But no helmet? You planning on hitting 53?

:-)

Helmeted,
Bill


Yup no helmet, except when riding sponsored rides where helmets are
required.
There's a group (purist) of us cyclist that have been riding since the 60's,
we ride without a helmet.
We tend to train on mountain roads with very little traffic.
None of us have never had a accident that resulted in a head injury.
We've also been around and around with the cycling community about riding
without a helmet so we've heard everything already many times over.
The law states here in California that anyone age 18 and under must wear a
helmet.
Yes, planning to hit 54 someday,
-tom

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On 8/7/06 2:14 PM, in article , "Tom
Nakashima" wrote:


"William Claspy" wrote in message
...
On 8/7/06 1:26 PM, in article , "Tom
Nakashima" wrote:


"Jonathan Cook" wrote in message
...
I just finished my morning jog, starting to get in shape for
hunting season, and 30 miles would kill me ;-)
Jon.

Jon, the key is staying in shape all year around.
Here's a picture of me taken last year on my race bike.
I had ridden the Marklleeville Death Ride that year, 129 miles, 5
mountain
passes and over 10K feet of climbing in one day. Temperatures were from
38
degrees to over 100 degrees.
I'm age 52.
http://home.comcast.net/~tomnak/Tom_...raut05_019.jpg

Hellofaride! But no helmet? You planning on hitting 53?

:-)

Helmeted,
Bill


Yup no helmet, except when riding sponsored rides where helmets are
required.

I was looking at the Death Ride web page. Better clamp that helmet on this
year :-)

There's a group (purist) of us cyclist that have been riding since the 60's,
we ride without a helmet.
We tend to train on mountain roads with very little traffic.
None of us have never had a accident that resulted in a head injury.

Anecdotal.

We've also been around and around with the cycling community about riding
without a helmet so we've heard everything already many times over.
The law states here in California that anyone age 18 and under must wear a
helmet.
Yes, planning to hit 54 someday,
-tom

Hope so, we've got to fish together!

But I ain't riding with you. :-)

Slow and safe,
Bill

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Dave LaCourse wrote:
On 7 Aug 2006 15:27:19 GMT, (Jonathan Cook) wrote:


Maybe that's unfair
because I was using 3x leader, as opposed to 5x/6x on the SJ,
but well, I wasn't impressed.


I caught some pinks, fresh from the ocean, while in Alaska, and I
wasn't impressed either. Small fish, less than 24 inches, and they
didn't fight as much as, say, a silver of the same size.

I caught an eight pound pink on the Skagit, fishing with Warren and Chas
and Andy. It was one of the hardest-to-land freshwater fish I've ever
experienced. I foul hooked it in the hump and it got sideways in a heavy
current. :-)

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Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:54:43 -0400, William Claspy
wrote:


Anyhow, I think George said they'd be hiking in 30 miles, not that he'd be
30 miles from the nearest road.


It was Tom that will be doing the hiking. The Middle Fork of the
Salmon, as rw has stated, has a trail that is about 100 miles long.
While fishing it several years ago, my grandson and I encountered a
young man on horseback with a second pack horse. He was heading south
and had been on the trail for several days, stopping to fish/camp
along the way. It's times like that when I feel that I wasted my
youth. Ahhhh, to be young again.....

Well, I'm almost 60 and I take my horses down that trail often (in fact
I'm going tomorrow), but I never go the whole way or even close to it.
It's a great trail because, compared to most trails in these mountains,
there's not a lot of elevation gain/loss. The only problem is that in
many parts it wanders far from the river. There are also some pretty
scary parts.

Another good trail goes 30 miles down Loon Creek to the Middle Fork.

--
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On 8/7/06 2:14 PM, in article , "Tom
Nakashima" wrote:

There's a group (purist) of us cyclist that have been riding since the 60's,
we ride without a helmet.
We tend to train on mountain roads with very little traffic.
None of us have never had a accident that resulted in a head injury.

It just struck (sorry :-) me that this is sort of the Britney Spears
driving-with-a-baby-in-my-lap defense. "My daddy did it with me and I'm OK,
so it's OK for me to do it."

Or "I've driven my car without my seatbelt on for thirty years and I've
never been hurt, nor anyone in my family, so it is OK to be in a car without
a seatbelt."

That said, my best friend rides without a helmet much of the time. He was
concussed after being struck (hit and run) by a car last fall. He wears a
helmet more frequently now, but still not all the time.

That's my counter-anecdotal evidence. :-)

Within the limits of the law (or your willingness to go against that law)
you are free to do what you choose. I choose to wear a helmet 100% of the
time I'm on my bike.

Bill

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Tom Nakashima wrote:

Yup no helmet, except when riding sponsored rides where helmets are
required.
There's a group (purist) of us cyclist that have been riding since the 60's,
we ride without a helmet.
We tend to train on mountain roads with very little traffic.
None of us have never had a accident that resulted in a head injury.
We've also been around and around with the cycling community about riding
without a helmet so we've heard everything already many times over.
The law states here in California that anyone age 18 and under must wear a
helmet.
Yes, planning to hit 54 someday,

You should go all the way and ride in this event:

http://www.zombietime.com/world_naked_bike_ride_2006/

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William Claspy typed:
On 8/7/06 2:14 PM, in article , "Tom
Nakashima" wrote:

There's a group (purist) of us cyclist that have been riding since
the 60's, we ride without a helmet.
We tend to train on mountain roads with very little traffic.
None of us have never had a accident that resulted in a head injury.

It just struck (sorry :-) me that this is sort of the Britney Spears
driving-with-a-baby-in-my-lap defense. "My daddy did it with me and
I'm OK, so it's OK for me to do it."

Or "I've driven my car without my seatbelt on for thirty years and
I've never been hurt, nor anyone in my family, so it is OK to be in a
car without a seatbelt."

That said, my best friend rides without a helmet much of the time.
He was concussed after being struck (hit and run) by a car last fall.
He wears a helmet more frequently now, but still not all the time.

That's my counter-anecdotal evidence. :-)

Within the limits of the law (or your willingness to go against that
law) you are free to do what you choose. I choose to wear a helmet
100% of the time I'm on my bike.

I've found that wearing a helmet, pads, and whatever other protection you
can find 100% of the time, whether or not a bike is involved, will eliminate
even more injuries. A friend of mine was sitting at work and had a 275lb
linebacker come out of nowhere and slam into him. If he hadn't been wearing
his full-body-bubble at the time, well, who knows. . .

That's my ridiculously-untrue-counter-counter-anecdotal evidence.
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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"rw" wrote in message
m...
Tom Nakashima wrote:

Yup no helmet, except when riding sponsored rides where helmets are
required.
There's a group (purist) of us cyclist that have been riding since the
60's, we ride without a helmet.
We tend to train on mountain roads with very little traffic.
None of us have never had a accident that resulted in a head injury.
We've also been around and around with the cycling community about riding
without a helmet so we've heard everything already many times over.
The law states here in California that anyone age 18 and under must wear
a helmet.
Yes, planning to hit 54 someday,

You should go all the way and ride in this event:

http://www.zombietime.com/world_naked_bike_ride_2006/


I'm laughing,
on my 50th B-day, my cycling friends told me they were going to take me to
someplace special.
So they blind-folded me and brought me unknowingly to a place called Lupin
Resort in the Santa Cruz Mountains, CA We have ridden by the nudist resort
many times when training in the hills, and jokingly I said we should all
visit there someday.
All I could hear was giggling and snickering and a lot of voices....even
splashing.
As they were singing happy-Bday to me, they removed my blindfold.
Everyone was stark naked except for me....so I said; "Oh what the hell and
shed my clothes too!"
Sorry no pictures on this one, but I'll have to say, some of the woman
cyclist half my age young were in great shape.

More OT: Jean, a gal I ride with sometimes (yup, half my age young) when
climbing hills on a bike, she makes this heavy breathing sound as if she's
having sex. Despite her great bod, I enjoy riding along side or behind her,
but I'll have to say, it's very difficult at times getting out of the saddle
to climb...men can't hide it as well as women can. ;-)
-tom
-tom

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"Tim J." wrote in message
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William Claspy typed:
On 8/7/06 2:14 PM, in article , "Tom
Nakashima" wrote:

There's a group (purist) of us cyclist that have been riding since
the 60's, we ride without a helmet.
We tend to train on mountain roads with very little traffic.
None of us have never had a accident that resulted in a head injury.

It just struck (sorry :-) me that this is sort of the Britney Spears
driving-with-a-baby-in-my-lap defense. "My daddy did it with me and
I'm OK, so it's OK for me to do it."


I kindda wish Britney was at my 50th B-day.



Or "I've driven my car without my seatbelt on for thirty years and
I've never been hurt, nor anyone in my family, so it is OK to be in a
car without a seatbelt."

That said, my best friend rides without a helmet much of the time.
He was concussed after being struck (hit and run) by a car last fall.
He wears a helmet more frequently now, but still not all the time.

That's my counter-anecdotal evidence. :-)


There's a nurse here a Stanford also a cyclist who always ask me what part
of my body am I donating?
I always tease her and say; "would you like me to show you grin?



Within the limits of the law (or your willingness to go against that
law) you are free to do what you choose. I choose to wear a helmet
100% of the time I'm on my bike.

And I applaud you!


I've found that wearing a helmet, pads, and whatever other protection you
can find 100% of the time, whether or not a bike is involved, will
eliminate even more injuries. A friend of mine was sitting at work and had
a 275lb linebacker come out of nowhere and slam into him. If he hadn't
been wearing his full-body-bubble at the time, well, who knows. . .

That's my ridiculously-untrue-counter-counter-anecdotal evidence.
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

Whoo, saved me a lot of space here Tim....
btw, that wasn't the Fridge was it that plowed into your friend?
-tom

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"Jonathan Cook" wrote in message
...
Tom Nakashima wrote:

Jon, the key is staying in shape all year around.

I'd love to but it simply doesn't rise to high enough
priority year-round. I live a pretty active life but when
I'm not jogging my cardio-vascular stamina drops considerably.

I'm age 52.

I'm not ;-)

Jon.

The only reason why I like to stay in shape all year around, because if I
lay off in the winter, it's a pain to get back in shape come March-May
(takes me two months to get my cycling form back).
-tom

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On 7 Aug 2006 19:36:13 GMT, (Jonathan Cook) wrote:

Tom Nakashima wrote:

Jon, the key is staying in shape all year around.

I'd love to but it simply doesn't rise to high enough
priority year-round. I live a pretty active life but when
I'm not jogging my cardio-vascular stamina drops considerably.

I'm age 52.

I'm not ;-)

Jon.

Hell, at age 69, I'm just happy to *have* cardio vascular. d;o)

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Tom Nakashima wrote:



What you need Dave is a 20 yr old Britney Spears look-alike to remind you
how much fun 69 really is.
ps- take the bottom!
-tom



um...you've not met ms. lacourse. the old fart is reminded on a daily
basis. g

jeff

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"rw" wrote
Another good trail goes 30 miles down Loon Creek to the Middle Fork.

--
IJ asks -----seems I was up around Loon Creek with squaw a few years
ago--is there a lake nearby with a crashed plane sticking out?
We certainly didn't hike any great mileage but did attend a Fly Fishing
At clave where the clavemaster never appeared, somewhere upstream from the
Middle Fork.

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Joe McIntosh wrote:
"rw" wrote

Another good trail goes 30 miles down Loon Creek to the Middle Fork.

--
IJ asks -----seems I was up around Loon Creek with squaw a few years
ago--is there a lake nearby with a crashed plane sticking out?

Not that I know of. There's an airfield and a lodge called the Diamond D
near the trailhead, and there are lots of old mining ruins and equipment.

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"Jonathan Cook" wrote:
OBROFF: still working on AK pictures. Before I went I mentioned
that I wanted to catch pink salmon. Well on the Kenai peninsula
all the runs were off schedule, and there were none. In Seward
and Valdez all the freshwater draingages are closed to fishing,
but in Valdez there was a nice beach you could fish. I went out
there our last morning in AK, and there were pinks all over. In
about 10 casts I had reeled in four, but two had been tail or
back hooked. I was sure that they were going after my fly but
they were so thick that a long, elegant cast (as elegant as _I_
can cast, that is) was just coming back over too many fish.
So I put on a visible fly (small fushia bunny leech), and started
sight fishing close ones. After that all my hookups were in or
near the mouth, as I could see them hit the fly. I did this for
another 1/2 hour but it really wasn't much fun after that. It
was ridiculously easy, and to be honest they didn't fight much.
I was using my standard 5wt I use at the San Juan, but a SJ
trout 2/3 their size would fight better. Maybe that's unfair
because I was using 3x leader, as opposed to 5x/6x on the SJ,
but well, I wasn't impressed.

When were you up there? I just got back last week, we stayed at Mcdougal
and fished the Lake Creek tributary of the Yentna River (about 60 miles N/W
of Anchorage). The fishing for silvers was superb; the king season was
closed, but we still managed to hook five to ten each day. The pinks were so
thick and we foul hooked them so frequently that we had to seek out spots
where there weren't as many of them. Even when you hooked a pink fairly, the
only had 1/10th the fight of a silver, and a silver had about a tenth the
fight of a king.The only run that was off were the sockeyes; the authorities
did an emergency season closure the week prior to our arrival due to low
fish counts. I started fishing on day one with a 5wt Sage, after hooking my
first silver I switched to a 9wt, just for the comfort of the fighting butt.