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Cullin on Boom Lake
Yup, the dream might become a reality:
A longstanding state law that prohibits culling in Wisconsin might be lifted, pending the outcome of a study by the Department of Natural Resources. Wisconsin Bass Federation president Mike Hoffman said the outcome will likely boil down to a battle between those who support tournament fishing and those who are against it. Click here to read more about the issue on BassFanArmy.com. I, for one, am dyin to get back on Boom & do some culling lol. WW |
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WARREN WOLK wrote:
Yup, the dream might become a reality: A longstanding state law that prohibits culling in Wisconsin might be lifted, pending the outcome of a study by the Department of Natural Resources. Wisconsin Bass Federation president Mike Hoffman said the outcome will likely boil down to a battle between those who support tournament fishing and those who are against it. ... The outcome *should* be decided by science and fact, not by a "battle" between opposing interests. I think tournament fishing is silly but I don't have a problem with it so long as it doesn't adversely impact the fishery. If it does adversely impact the fishery then I'm all for regulating it with game laws like a prohibition on culling. Either way the issue should be decided by science and not by popular opinion. Probably more than my two cents worth. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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"WARREN WOLK" wrote in message news:D46Dg.3880$hH1.95@trnddc08... Yup, the dream might become a reality: A longstanding state law that prohibits culling in Wisconsin might be lifted, pending the outcome of a study by the Department of Natural Resources. Wisconsin Bass Federation president Mike Hoffman said the outcome will likely boil down to a battle between those who support tournament fishing and those who are against it. Click here to read more about the issue on BassFanArmy.com. I, for one, am dyin to get back on Boom & do some culling lol. Well Warren, Randy is looking for someone to split expenses coming out for the NWC, why don't you get in touch with him and come on out? Tournament fishing in general and culling during tournaments in particular has become a real hot button item here in Wisconsin. There are two camps that have become extremely divided on the entier issue. Part of the problem lies in that the way the "Culling Regulation" is being proposed, is that you would only be allowed to cull during a permitted tournament. The general fishing population could still not cull. One side is saying "It's being done all over the country without problem, so why not here?" The other side is saying, "I don't fish in tournaments, so why shouldn't I be able to cull as well?" It has become quite an emotional issue, with the anti's seeing ANY tournament fishing as raping the resource, using "public resources" for personal gain. The tournament supporters are arguing, "Hey, at least at the end of the day, we're releasing the fish back into the lake, not into a deep fryer, so we're not hurting anything." But then you have the recent FLW disaster where 580 bass died after a tournament, fueled with reports that "My buddy at work said that his dad's neighbor up at Lake X knew a guy that said there were dead fish floating all over the lake after a tournament." It doesn't take too many of these instances, real or not to give tournament fishing a black eye. Bass fishing is kind of in it's infancy here in Wisconsin, with a major portion of the population fishing for walleye, panfish and other "eatin' fish." Many don't understand how someone could fish all day, just to let those fish go! (I have many fishing friends that still think I'm odd, chasing "Green Carp") Those that do fish strictly for fun and are proponents of Catch and Release tend to be muskie anglers, and EVERYONE in the state understands wanting to catch a musky and release it. Like I said, it's an emotion charged issue and when the dust settles, one group or the other isn't going to be happy. -- Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods http://www.herefishyfishy.com |
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"WARREN WOLK" wrote in message
news:D46Dg.3880$hH1.95@trnddc08... Yup, the dream might become a reality: A longstanding state law that prohibits culling in Wisconsin might be lifted, pending the outcome of a study by the Department of Natural Resources. Wisconsin Bass Federation president Mike Hoffman said the outcome will likely boil down to a battle between those who support tournament fishing and those who are against it. Click here to read more about the issue on BassFanArmy.com. I, for one, am dyin to get back on Boom & do some culling lol. WW Does Wisconsin require a permit for tournament fishing? If it doesn't could this new adjustment to regs lead to requiring one? -- Bob La Londe Fishing Arizona & The Colorado River Fishing Forums & Contests http://www.YumaBassMan.com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message .. . "WARREN WOLK" wrote in message news:D46Dg.3880$hH1.95@trnddc08... Yup, the dream might become a reality: A longstanding state law that prohibits culling in Wisconsin might be lifted, pending the outcome of a study by the Department of Natural Resources. Wisconsin Bass Federation president Mike Hoffman said the outcome will likely boil down to a battle between those who support tournament fishing and those who are against it. Click here to read more about the issue on BassFanArmy.com. I, for one, am dyin to get back on Boom & do some culling lol. WW Does Wisconsin require a permit for tournament fishing? If it doesn't could this new adjustment to regs lead to requiring one? Wisconsin does require tournament permits once they are above a certain size. This number is determined by number participants and the value of the prizes awarded. Most smaller tournaments such as the Northwoods Classic don't require a permit. -- Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods http://www.herefishyfishy.com |
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"Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers" wrote in
message ... "Bob La Londe" wrote in message .. . "WARREN WOLK" wrote in message news:D46Dg.3880$hH1.95@trnddc08... Yup, the dream might become a reality: A longstanding state law that prohibits culling in Wisconsin might be lifted, pending the outcome of a study by the Department of Natural Resources. Wisconsin Bass Federation president Mike Hoffman said the outcome will likely boil down to a battle between those who support tournament fishing and those who are against it. Click here to read more about the issue on BassFanArmy.com. I, for one, am dyin to get back on Boom & do some culling lol. WW Does Wisconsin require a permit for tournament fishing? If it doesn't could this new adjustment to regs lead to requiring one? Wisconsin does require tournament permits once they are above a certain size. This number is determined by number participants and the value of the prizes awarded. Most smaller tournaments such as the Northwoods Classic don't require a permit. That sounds reasonable... I would sure be interested in seeing the new regs if I was affected to see how it applies. For instance would the culling allowed reg only apply to permittted tournaments, or could two guys decide to go fishing and claim they are having a tournament. -- Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods http://www.herefishyfishy.com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message SNIP Does Wisconsin require a permit for tournament fishing? If it doesn't could this new adjustment to regs lead to requiring one? Wisconsin does require tournament permits once they are above a certain size. This number is determined by number participants and the value of the prizes awarded. Most smaller tournaments such as the Northwoods Classic don't require a permit. That sounds reasonable... I would sure be interested in seeing the new regs if I was affected to see how it applies. For instance would the culling allowed reg only apply to permittted tournaments, or could two guys decide to go fishing and claim they are having a tournament. From what I've read in the preliminary regulations, culling would only be allowed in permitted tournaments. So, your scenario would still be a violation of the state's "No Culling" regulations. If the new ruling does go into effect, then participants in the Northwoods Classic would be able to cull, providing I as tournament director, applied for and received a permit. -- Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods http://www.herefishyfishy.com |
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Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers wrote:
... Tournament fishing in general and culling during tournaments in particular has become a real hot button item here in Wisconsin. There are two camps that have become extremely divided on the entier issue. Part of the problem lies in that the way the "Culling Regulation" is being proposed, is that you would only be allowed to cull during a permitted tournament. The general fishing population could still not cull. ... That's just flat out wrong. Preferential treatment for tournaments ? That's outrageous. If anything tournaments should have *more* restrictive regulations than recreational fishing if only because tournament fishermen catch more fish per capita than recreational fishermen. If I lived in Wisconsin I'd be livid. And vocal in my opposition to this wrongheaded nonsense. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Administrators in the state fish and wildlife agencies do what they think is
best when they write and enforce regulations that will help them achieve their mission objectives. That includes strategies like closed areas, fishing seasons, minimum and maximum sizes, slot limits, creel limits, and, apparently, cull/no-cull rules. If a situation arises where granting an exception to the usual strategy better enables the agency to achieve the mission, there are usually provisions in law that they can follow to authorize the exception. In some states, for instance, tournaments are perceived as beneficial to the agenda of the wildlife resource agencies. They encourage tournament tours to compete on their lakes. The license fees and permits paid for by participants, and the residual increase in license purchases by additional folks attracted to the sport by the tournaments, help fund the agencies' habitat protection and improvement programs. Therefore, they weigh the pros and cons of sticking with the regulation, granting a temporary exemption, or writing the exception into the code. For example, didn't we receive an exemptions for our Southern Classic tournament on Okeechobee? I understood that lake normally has slot limits, but tournaments may apply for a exception. I recall we carried a permission slip with us as we fished. Was that fair to anglers who had to release slot fish immediately? I think so. "Fair" and "identical" are not synonymous. One can treat situations and people differently and still be fair. Parents with more than one kid do it all the time. In Wisconsin, if this rule is passed, the non-tournament angler who wishes to cull could do so by fishing an authorized tournament. IMHO, the issue of allowing tournaments to cull fish on lakes where other anglers cannot isn't a matter of right and wrong. No ones rights are being trampled. It is simply a strategy that the agency might consider as they seek ways to best achieve their mission, i.e., to sustain an abundant, healthy resource for the benefit of the people of the state. Joe "Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message om... snip: If I lived in Wisconsin I'd be livid. And vocal in my opposition to this wrongheaded nonsense. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Joe Haubenreich wrote:
Administrators in the state fish and wildlife agencies do what they think is best when they write and enforce regulations that will help them achieve their mission objectives. That includes strategies like closed areas, fishing seasons, minimum and maximum sizes, slot limits, creel limits, and, apparently, cull/no-cull rules. If a situation arises where granting an exception to the usual strategy better enables the agency to achieve the mission, there are usually provisions in law that they can follow to authorize the exception. In some states, for instance, tournaments are perceived as beneficial to the agenda of the wildlife resource agencies. They encourage tournament tours to compete on their lakes. The license fees and permits paid for by participants, and the residual increase in license purchases by additional folks attracted to the sport by the tournaments, help fund the agencies' habitat protection and improvement programs. Therefore, they weigh the pros and cons of sticking with the regulation, granting a temporary exemption, or writing the exception into the code. For example, didn't we receive an exemptions for our Southern Classic tournament on Okeechobee? I understood that lake normally has slot limits, but tournaments may apply for a exception. I recall we carried a permission slip with us as we fished. Was that fair to anglers who had to release slot fish immediately? I think so. "Fair" and "identical" are not synonymous. One can treat situations and people differently and still be fair. Parents with more than one kid do it all the time. In Wisconsin, if this rule is passed, the non-tournament angler who wishes to cull could do so by fishing an authorized tournament. IMHO, the issue of allowing tournaments to cull fish on lakes where other anglers cannot isn't a matter of right and wrong. No ones rights are being trampled. It is simply a strategy that the agency might consider as they seek ways to best achieve their mission, i.e., to sustain an abundant, healthy resource for the benefit of the people of the state. Your argument, as I read it, boils down to tournaments may be cash cows for Wisconsin DNR and so tournaments are deserving of preferential regs because the cash they generate helps fund all DNR programs. If that's your argument, I couldn't disagree more. Fishing regs should be implemented to protect our fisheries. Period. Cash cows shouldn't enter into the equation. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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"Ken Fortenberry"
Your argument, as I read it, boils down to tournaments may be cash cows for Wisconsin DNR and so tournaments are deserving of preferential regs because the cash they generate helps fund all DNR programs. Angler's who buy fishing licenses are cash cows for DNRs and F&G Depts. They help to fund the management of the resources. If that's your argument, I couldn't disagree more. Fishing regs should be implemented to protect our fisheries. Period. Cash cows shouldn't enter into the equation. By your arguement either, "all anglers should be allowed to fish whether they buy a license or not," or, "no anglers should be allowed to fish whther they buy a license or not." Come on Ken. I understand your frustration, but when you pay for an extra priveledge its fair, as long as the fee is reasonable, and anybody can apply for the same priveledge. The way I understand it you are free to apply to apply for a permit to have a tournament the same as anybody else. If you want to cull then apply for a tournament permit everytime you want to cull fish. Same as anybody else. LOL. -- Bob La Londe Fishing Arizona & The Colorado River Fishing Forums & Contests http://www.YumaBassMan.com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Bob La Londe wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote: ... Fishing regs should be implemented to protect our fisheries. Period. Cash cows shouldn't enter into the equation. By your arguement either, "all anglers should be allowed to fish whether they buy a license or not," or, "no anglers should be allowed to fish whther they buy a license or not." I must have miscommunicated because that's not my argument. If Wisconsin DNR determines that culling is detrimental to the fishery then they should ban culling. For everybody. Come on Ken. I understand your frustration, but when you pay for an extra priveledge its fair, as long as the fee is reasonable, and anybody can apply for the same priveledge. The way I understand it you are free to apply to apply for a permit to have a tournament the same as anybody else. If you want to cull then apply for a tournament permit everytime you want to cull fish. Same as anybody else. LOL. I don't want to cull. Never have. If I'm not gonna eat 'em I release 'em *immediately*. I don't understand the "pay to play" mentality. Fishing regs should be written to protect fisheries and the regs should be the same for everyone. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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All this stuff about culling... damn. The only thing this is going to do me is keep me on the water longer. If we're not allowed to cull again this year, I'm planning on being off of the lake around noon enjoying a nice fatty cheeseburger and beer at that little lakeside bar. "WARREN WOLK" wrote in message news:D46Dg.3880$hH1.95@trnddc08... Yup, the dream might become a reality: A longstanding state law that prohibits culling in Wisconsin might be lifted, pending the outcome of a study by the Department of Natural Resources. Wisconsin Bass Federation president Mike Hoffman said the outcome will likely boil down to a battle between those who support tournament fishing and those who are against it. Click here to read more about the issue on BassFanArmy.com. I, for one, am dyin to get back on Boom & do some culling lol. WW |
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Charles Summers wrote:
All this stuff about culling... damn. The only thing this is going to do me is keep me on the water longer. If we're not allowed to cull again this year, I'm planning on being off of the lake around noon enjoying a nice fatty cheeseburger and beer at that little lakeside bar. LOL !! Now see, *that's* what I'm talkin' about. If you allow tourney anglers to cull, Wisconsin bars will go bankrupt ! ;-) -- Ken Fortenberry |
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message m... I don't want to cull. Never have. If I'm not gonna eat 'em I release 'em *immediately*. I don't understand the "pay to play" mentality. Fishing regs should be written to protect fisheries and the regs should be the same for everyone. Ah, but the regs are the same for you as everybody else. You are free to apply for a permit for a tournament just like everybody else. -- Bob La Londe Fishing Arizona & The Colorado River Fishing Forums & Contests http://www.YumaBassMan.com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Bob La Londe wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote ... I don't understand the "pay to play" mentality. Fishing regs should be written to protect fisheries and the regs should be the same for everyone. Ah, but the regs are the same for you as everybody else. You are free to apply for a permit for a tournament just like everybody else. I'll fish in my first fishing tournament after the Chicago Cubs win their fifth World Series in a row or when hell freezes over, whichever happens first. LOL !! And you can quote me on that. ;-) -- Ken Fortenberry |
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message m... Charles Summers wrote: All this stuff about culling... damn. The only thing this is going to do me is keep me on the water longer. If we're not allowed to cull again this year, I'm planning on being off of the lake around noon enjoying a nice fatty cheeseburger and beer at that little lakeside bar. LOL !! Now see, *that's* what I'm talkin' about. If you allow tourney anglers to cull, Wisconsin bars will go bankrupt ! ;-) -- Ken Fortenberry And the coronary doctors. |
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
. .. Bob La Londe wrote: "Ken Fortenberry" wrote ... I don't understand the "pay to play" mentality. Fishing regs should be written to protect fisheries and the regs should be the same for everyone. Ah, but the regs are the same for you as everybody else. You are free to apply for a permit for a tournament just like everybody else. I'll fish in my first fishing tournament after the Chicago Cubs win their fifth World Series in a row or when hell freezes over, whichever happens first. LOL !! And you can quote me on that. ;-) Dang, now what am I going to do with this special cut down 7 weight I've been saving for you to cast streamers on in our first bass tournament together. LOL. -- Bob La Londe Fishing Arizona & The Colorado River Fishing Forums & Contests http://www.YumaBassMan.com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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There's medication for that... trust me, I've got two of them.
"Calif Bill" wrote in message nk.net... And the coronary doctors. |
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Cullin on Boom lake, that's funny, hey you never know someone might actually
do it. Tasty burger Charles, yummmm "Charles Summers" wrote in message . .. There's medication for that... trust me, I've got two of them. "Calif Bill" wrote in message nk.net... And the coronary doctors. |
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message om... Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers wrote: ... Tournament fishing in general and culling during tournaments in particular has become a real hot button item here in Wisconsin. There are two camps that have become extremely divided on the entier issue. Part of the problem lies in that the way the "Culling Regulation" is being proposed, is that you would only be allowed to cull during a permitted tournament. The general fishing population could still not cull. ... That's just flat out wrong. Preferential treatment for tournaments ? That's outrageous. If anything tournaments should have *more* restrictive regulations than recreational fishing if only because tournament fishermen catch more fish per capita than recreational fishermen. If I lived in Wisconsin I'd be livid. And vocal in my opposition to this wrongheaded nonsense. Why not? There are all kinds of preferential treatment regulations for "special interest groups" in fishing and hunting. Entire sections of trout streams here in Wisconsin and all across the country have been earmarked "Artificial Lures Only", effectively blocking out those recreational anglers that wish to fish using Garden Hackle! Why should artificial lure anglers have access to public resources that bait anglers are blocked from? That seems kind of like "wrongheaded nonsense" to me. -- Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods http://www.herefishyfishy.com |
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We don't have the Nitro this year Randy... think we still have a chance?
"Alwaysfishking" wrote in message ... Cullin on Boom lake, that's funny, hey you never know someone might actually do it. Tasty burger Charles, yummmm "Charles Summers" wrote in message . .. There's medication for that... trust me, I've got two of them. "Calif Bill" wrote in message nk.net... And the coronary doctors. |
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Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote: Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers wrote: ... Tournament fishing in general and culling during tournaments in particular has become a real hot button item here in Wisconsin. There are two camps that have become extremely divided on the entier issue. Part of the problem lies in that the way the "Culling Regulation" is being proposed, is that you would only be allowed to cull during a permitted tournament. The general fishing population could still not cull. ... That's just flat out wrong. Preferential treatment for tournaments ? That's outrageous. If anything tournaments should have *more* restrictive regulations than recreational fishing if only because tournament fishermen catch more fish per capita than recreational fishermen. If I lived in Wisconsin I'd be livid. And vocal in my opposition to this wrongheaded nonsense. Why not? There are all kinds of preferential treatment regulations for "special interest groups" in fishing and hunting. Entire sections of trout streams here in Wisconsin and all across the country have been earmarked "Artificial Lures Only", effectively blocking out those recreational anglers that wish to fish using Garden Hackle! Why should artificial lure anglers have access to public resources that bait anglers are blocked from? That seems kind of like "wrongheaded nonsense" to me. Studies have shown that artificial lures cause less mortality in catch and release fishing than live bait. If the streams are strictly catch and kill, then I agree with you, there's no good reason to give preferential treatment to those who fish with artificial lures. I can't think of any difference between tournament fishing and recreational fishing that would warrant preferential regs. YMMV. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message m... Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers wrote: "Ken Fortenberry" wrote: Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers wrote: ... Tournament fishing in general and culling during tournaments in particular has become a real hot button item here in Wisconsin. There are two camps that have become extremely divided on the entier issue. Part of the problem lies in that the way the "Culling Regulation" is being proposed, is that you would only be allowed to cull during a permitted tournament. The general fishing population could still not cull. ... That's just flat out wrong. Preferential treatment for tournaments ? That's outrageous. If anything tournaments should have *more* restrictive regulations than recreational fishing if only because tournament fishermen catch more fish per capita than recreational fishermen. If I lived in Wisconsin I'd be livid. And vocal in my opposition to this wrongheaded nonsense. Why not? There are all kinds of preferential treatment regulations for "special interest groups" in fishing and hunting. Entire sections of trout streams here in Wisconsin and all across the country have been earmarked "Artificial Lures Only", effectively blocking out those recreational anglers that wish to fish using Garden Hackle! Why should artificial lure anglers have access to public resources that bait anglers are blocked from? That seems kind of like "wrongheaded nonsense" to me. Studies have shown that artificial lures cause less mortality in catch and release fishing than live bait. If the streams are strictly catch and kill, then I agree with you, there's no good reason to give preferential treatment to those who fish with artificial lures. I can't think of any difference between tournament fishing and recreational fishing that would warrant preferential regs. YMMV. -- Ken Fortenberry So, if cullin is bad, why are there C&R sections of a river? |
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Calif Bill wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote: I can't think of any difference between tournament fishing and recreational fishing that would warrant preferential regs. YMMV. So, if cullin is bad, why are there C&R sections of a river? Presumably Wisconsin DNR bans culling because a fish caught, put in a live well and released hours later is less likely to survive than a fish caught and released immediately. That's my assumption anyway. If that's the case then it doesn't make any sense to me to have different regs for tournament versus recreational fishermen. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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All this talk about culling on Boom lake... I can't recall one single
instance where this rule would have applied anyway. Anyone here ever needed to cull? "Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message t... Calif Bill wrote: "Ken Fortenberry" wrote: I can't think of any difference between tournament fishing and recreational fishing that would warrant preferential regs. YMMV. So, if cullin is bad, why are there C&R sections of a river? Presumably Wisconsin DNR bans culling because a fish caught, put in a live well and released hours later is less likely to survive than a fish caught and released immediately. That's my assumption anyway. If that's the case then it doesn't make any sense to me to have different regs for tournament versus recreational fishermen. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Touché.
"Charles Summers" wrote in message ... All this talk about culling on Boom lake... I can't recall one single instance where this rule would have applied anyway. Anyone here ever needed to cull? |
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message t... Calif Bill wrote: "Ken Fortenberry" wrote: I can't think of any difference between tournament fishing and recreational fishing that would warrant preferential regs. YMMV. So, if cullin is bad, why are there C&R sections of a river? Presumably Wisconsin DNR bans culling because a fish caught, put in a live well and released hours later is less likely to survive than a fish caught and released immediately. That's my assumption anyway. If that's the case then it doesn't make any sense to me to have different regs for tournament versus recreational fishermen. Actually, the anti-culling regulation (called Sorting) was put in place decades ago, when livewells in boats were not even thought of. It was common practice to either put fish in a bucket or hang then on a stringer over the side of the boat. In both cases, survival of fish released from a stringer or a bucket of stagnent water was poor. So, to protect the resource and to prevent anglers from catching fish, sorting through and tossing back smaller ones (likely to die) in favor of larger fish, "Sorting of fish" was deemed illegal. But, to have such a law in place where it is commonplace for many boats to have a livewell, I really do not see where there is any problem with catching and culling for tournaments. All tournaments that I"m aware of require all participating boats to have a functioning livewell and penalize those anglers that bring in dead fish. Can you imagine the furor and public outcry if a regulation was set in place that allowed the general population to cull, providing they had a boat with a functioning livewell? -- Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods http://www.herefishyfishy.com |
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Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers wrote:
snip Can you imagine the furor and public outcry if a regulation was set in place that allowed the general population to cull, providing they had a boat with a functioning livewell? Yeah, Wisconsinites are serious as a heart attack about their fishing and hunting. If I were running tournaments in Wisconsin I'd have to wonder if having preferential regs is worth the bad PR it generates. I mean, just how onerous are the current regs anyway ? -- Ken Fortenberry |
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message m... Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers wrote: snip Can you imagine the furor and public outcry if a regulation was set in place that allowed the general population to cull, providing they had a boat with a functioning livewell? Yeah, Wisconsinites are serious as a heart attack about their fishing and hunting. If I were running tournaments in Wisconsin I'd have to wonder if having preferential regs is worth the bad PR it generates. I mean, just how onerous are the current regs anyway ? For other fish and game activities, sometimes you need a team of lawyers, a nun and a supreme court justice to figure them out. Some of the walleye bag/size limits, trout stream regs and deer hunting regs are confusing to say the least. For running a tournament? Personally, I don't think they're all that bad. The only thing is "No Culling". That means you have to decide as soon as you land the fish, is it going in the livewell or can I do better? It makes it a head game and one of confidence in your abilities. The main reason why they're (bass tourney directors) trying to get the Culling regulation set aside for tournaments is to level the playing field among the other states that do allow it. Wisconsin has some fantastic bass fishing, only the rest of the country rarely hears about it because none of the large events want to come to this state because their bag limits won't be as big as they could be if allowed to cull. Personally, to me it really doesn't matter one way or the other. Sure, it would be nice to have the ability to do so, but so far, as Charles has pointed out, it hasn't been an issue in the Northwoods Classic. -- Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods http://www.herefishyfishy.com |
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Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers wrote:
For other fish and game activities, sometimes you need a team of lawyers, a nun and a supreme court justice to figure them out. The lawyers and the judge I can see, but what does the nun do ? On second thought, never mind, I don't think I want to know what the nun does. ;-) Some of the walleye bag/size limits, trout stream regs and deer hunting regs are confusing to say the least. The trout regs aren't that bad. DNR does a good job of putting signs up at all the obvious access points and there's really only 4 different sets of regs anyway. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message om... Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers wrote: For other fish and game activities, sometimes you need a team of lawyers, a nun and a supreme court justice to figure them out. The lawyers and the judge I can see, but what does the nun do ? On second thought, never mind, I don't think I want to know what the nun does. ;-) Some of the walleye bag/size limits, trout stream regs and deer hunting regs are confusing to say the least. The trout regs aren't that bad. DNR does a good job of putting signs up at all the obvious access points and there's really only 4 different sets of regs anyway. I don't trout fish any longer, but I have some friends that do. I constantly hear them complain about the regs, especially where the streams change to Artificial Only. I guess some of the transition zones are "open to interpretation" and not clearly defined. Again, I don't know from personal experience, just what I've heard. -- Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods http://www.herefishyfishy.com |
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Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote: The trout regs aren't that bad. DNR does a good job of putting signs up at all the obvious access points and there's really only 4 different sets of regs anyway. I don't trout fish any longer, but I have some friends that do. I constantly hear them complain about the regs, especially where the streams change to Artificial Only. I guess some of the transition zones are "open to interpretation" and not clearly defined. Again, I don't know from personal experience, just what I've heard. Ah, I wouldn't know anything about that aspect of it. I use dry flies no matter where I'm fishing so I don't really pay attention to where live bait is legal. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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"Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers" wrote in
: For running a tournament? Personally, I don't think they're all that bad. The only thing is "No Culling". That means you have to decide as soon as you land the fish, is it going in the livewell or can I do better? It makes it a head game and one of confidence in your abilities. The fly fishing tourney of the ESPN outdoor games is entirely catch and release. Each participant has a tournament monitor with him. When you catch a fish, you decide on the spot whether its the one you plan to count. If not, you release it. If yes, they measure it up, the fish is released, and you're done fishing for the day. FWIW, New Yorks regs on bass are changing, opening up the closed part of the season to "catch and immediate release". -- Scott Reverse name to reply |
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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:30:34 -0500, "Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers"
wrote: Wisconsin has some fantastic bass fishing, only the rest of the country rarely hears about it because none of the large events want to come to this state because their bag limits won't be as big as they could be if allowed to cull. Personally, to me it really doesn't matter one way or the other. Sure, it would be nice to have the ability to do so, but so far, as Charles has pointed out, it hasn't been an issue in the Northwoods Classic. Rather than bag limits not being as big...I would think that most tournament fishermen wouldn't want to go there bc the rule could be extremely frustrating to their fishing. How many mornings..have we had...when we got a small early limit...and used the rest of the day to improve our limit? That's a very important part of tournament strategy that is taken away by this no-culling rule. Being able to "better our catch" is a fundamental precept of fishing, IMO. This is especially true since we're spending so much money and valuable time in pursuing this sport. I think others would say "Avoid Wisconsin" because many just want to avoid the hassle of going to a state that has archaic rules/laws like this "no-culling" rule in Wisconsin. If a state has 1 stupid rule, it's likely to have a ton of them. Fishermen really want to be warmly and welcomely greeted. Some states (Florida, Alabama, Tennesee, Texas) do a good job of that and other states don't. (Wisconsion, Indiana, Ohio, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, Michigan, etc.) And the negative effect is probably more than you might think. Not only are you losing tournaments and fishermen that wont go there (and the millions of dolllars in economic boost from hotels, gas, meals, tackle and a ton of other sales)...but the unfriendly state is building up a reputation that will deter fishermen for many years to come. And it has been an issue in the Northwoods Classic...as its one of the reasons (other than the fact I've got 2 small toddlers and the high price of gas), I haven't made that trip yet... -- Dwayne E. Cooper, Atty at Law Indianapolis, IN Email: Web Page: http://www.cooperlegalservices.com Personal Fishing Web Page: http://www.hoosierwebsites.com/OnTheWater Dog Fishing: http://www.hoosierwebsites.com/onthe...fishing040.htm 1st Annual ROFB Classic Winner |
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Fishermen really want to be
warmly and welcomely greeted. Some states (Florida, Alabama, Tennesee, Texas) do a good job of that and other states don't. (Wisconsion, Indiana, Ohio, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, Michigan, etc.) Dwayne, I live in Michigan and am new to bass fishing now that I have entered my retirement years. What rules or regs in MI makes this an unfriendly state to fishermen? With the auto industry on its last legs in MI, it seems as though this state should be doing all it can to attract recreators from outside the state. |
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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:09:59 GMT, "johnval1"
wrote: Fishermen really want to be warmly and welcomely greeted. Some states (Florida, Alabama, Tennesee, Texas) do a good job of that and other states don't. (Wisconsion, Indiana, Ohio, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, Michigan, etc.) Dwayne, I live in Michigan and am new to bass fishing now that I have entered my retirement years. What rules or regs in MI makes this an unfriendly state to fishermen? With the auto industry on its last legs in MI, it seems as though this state should be doing all it can to attract recreators from outside the state. Hi John! The first thing that jumped out to me Michigan is its limited bass fishing season...from the Saturday before Memorial day to December 31st (on most waters) and from the 3rd Saturday in June to December 31st (on St. Clair and Detroit River). For bass fishermen, it's basically a great big "No Trespassing" sign on the Welcome to Michigan sign. Not only do I not agree with the need for a fishing season like that, but I also believe it increases the social problems you folks have (ie. more kids inside smoking pot/getting in trouble when they could be on the water fishing, more husbands and wiives arguing when the husband or wife could be on the water fishing,etc.). Now, a lotta folks might laugh when they read the above...but the cold hard plain truth of it is that increased recreational activities is good for the social welfare of people. The more you limit the opportunities...the more people will do other things which may not be as healthy for them. If every neighborhood had a park nearby...and/or a fishing lake nearby...I believe you'll find a lot happier neighborhood in the long run. (less crime, less social disharmony, etc.) BTW, I don't envy anyone who lives in cold, harsh environments like Michigan all too often has. I endured it up there for 3 years when I lived in Lansing, Michigan when I went to law school. Now I did have the good fortune to fish the Grand river quite a bit as well as different marsh ponds in central Michigan. And I was fortunate to get my first taste of trout fishing up there. And the bass fishing was often excellent on the Grand for smallmouth and largemouth when the river wasn't out of control... -- Dwayne E. Cooper, Atty at Law Indianapolis, IN Email: Web Page: http://www.cooperlegalservices.com Personal Fishing Web Page: http://www.hoosierwebsites.com/OnTheWater Dog Fishing: http://www.hoosierwebsites.com/onthe...fishing040.htm 1st Annual ROFB Classic Winner |
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Hi John! The first thing that jumped out to me Michigan is its limited bass fishing season...from the Saturday before Memorial day to December 31st (on most waters) and from the 3rd Saturday in June to December 31st (on St. Clair and Detroit River). For bass fishermen, it's basically a great big "No Trespassing" sign on the Welcome to Michigan sign. Dwayne, I know the season starts late, but rashly assumed it was to protect a late spawn due to the northerly clime. I would be more than happy to be educated further on this issue. Meanwhile, I will contact the Fishing Gods here in MI to find out the reason for such a late start. Good point you made. By May, there are one heck of a lot of bass caught in other places when it is illegal to do so here. I had to smile at your (only slightly) tongue in cheek comments on the lack of good fishing being at the root of social disorder. Short story: I was in Gander Mountain a month ago to buy some frogs for fishing the weeds. A young guy followed me up to the front of the store to talk fishing strategy and effective use of the frogs. The kid was about 20 with multiple tattoos and all the body piercings known to man. I am 57 and look like a former law enforcement officer. Not exactly a marriage made in heaven, but we had a delightful conversation. All made possible by a common interest in bass fishing. My wife told me she thought I would rather bass fish than anything else. I told her she was wrong, I would rather bass fish with her than anything else. |
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"Dwayne E. Cooper" wrote in messageSNIP Rather than bag limits not being as big...I would think that most tournament fishermen wouldn't want to go there bc the rule could be extremely frustrating to their fishing. ***It can be frustrating, and that's what I meant about not having big bags, I should have said heavy bag limits. But, strategy can play into the equation at the same time. A supremely confident angler might release that 14 1/4" bass, figuring he can do better, and then fall on his face, bringing in less than a limit. Or, someone struggling finding bigger fish might suddenly be catapulted into the lead because he did find five bass slightly over 14 inches. It does make for interesting weigh-ins...... How many mornings..have we had...when we got a small early limit...and used the rest of the day to improve our limit? That's a very important part of tournament strategy that is taken away by this no-culling rule. ***This is true, hence the attempts to change the regulations. But again, see above.... Being able to "better our catch" is a fundamental precept of fishing, IMO. This is especially true since we're spending so much money and valuable time in pursuing this sport. ***I'm not argueing that. I would like to see it changed, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it or avoid fishing here. I think others would say "Avoid Wisconsin" because many just want to avoid the hassle of going to a state that has archaic rules/laws like this "no-culling" rule in Wisconsin. ***Unfortunately, or fortunately (depending upon how you look at it), there's an awful lot of people that don't feel as you do. Wisconsin sells more fishing licenses than all other states, with the exception of Florida. It really only affects the tournament fishing enthusiasts, not the general public. If a state has 1 stupid rule, it's likely to have a ton of them. Fishermen really want to be warmly and welcomely greeted. Some states (Florida, Alabama, Tennesee, Texas) do a good job of that and other states don't. (Wisconsion, Indiana, Ohio, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, Michigan, etc.) ***Nah, for the most part, that's the only stupid rule. There are some rules that I don't agree with, but there's usually sound, biological reasoning behind the regulations. Actually, when you think about it, the no-culling rule for the general population is a good thing. We have a lot of small to medium size lakes here in the state, and if people were allowed to sort their catch, it wouldn't take long to seriously affect the spawning/brood stock of a lake. Based on license sales, and based on the number of Illinois, Iowa, Michigan, Indiana and Minnesota license plates I see all summer long, we can't be too surly to out of state anglers. And the negative effect is probably more than you might think. Not only are you losing tournaments and fishermen that wont go there (and the millions of dolllars in economic boost from hotels, gas, meals, tackle and a ton of other sales)...but the unfriendly state is building up a reputation that will deter fishermen for many years to come. ***Oh, believe me, no one understands the trickle down effect of outdoor recreation here in the state better than I do. Living in an area that is fairly dependant upon tourism and recreation, as well as being a fishing guide, I do understand the economic ramifications. Personally, I would like to see a major BASS or FLW event here in Wisconsin, held on Lake Winnebago, Chequomegon Bay, Sturgeon Bay or some of our other large bodies of water. While I don't believe it would help me personally, the community that sponsors the event would certainly appreciate the added funds such an event would provide. And it has been an issue in the Northwoods Classic...as its one of the reasons (other than the fact I've got 2 small toddlers and the high price of gas), I haven't made that trip yet... ***It really hasn't been an issue for the Northwoods Classic. I've heard a few grumbles, a gasp or two of disbelief, but then I think about the number of times a limit has been brought to the weigh-in and I have to say "I ain't skeered." Why don't you come on up and prove us wrong? The high price of gas hasn't really stopped me from going fishing, although it has curtailed the amount of casual driving I do. I simply stop, think and plan my trips a little better now. -- Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods http://www.herefishyfishy.com |
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"Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers" wrote in message I also wanted to add, I find it interesting that professional walleye tournaments can be successfully run here in the state under the same no-culling rule. As a matter of fact, there have been several national championships decided here in Wisconsin. Why is it that the PWT can run successful walleye events here, but BASS and FLW cannot? -- Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods http://www.herefishyfishy.com |
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