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A little something to whet the appetites of those planning to
attend.......and perhaps excite the curiosity of others.....

The Huron River:

http://hunts-upguide.com/skanee_big_...d_mout h.html

The menu on the left will lead to all sorts of other attractions in the U.P.

Note The reference to the mysterious "Huron Mountain Club", an organization
so exclusive that Henry Ford, at the height of his wealth and fame, had to
wait years to get in! It's still active, still owns a huge tract of land,
still highly exclusive, still very secretive, still maintains a very
effective private security force. The Salmon Trout River runs through the
property. The literature never says so explicitly, but strongly suggests
that the river itself is jealously guarded by the club.....which would seem
to put it at odds with water use laws.

The Salmon Trout also runs through the Yellow Dog plains:

http://savethewildup.org/photos/?id=33




The Yellow Dog River:

http://www.geocities.com/midwestrive...Dog-Lower.html

Perhaps not the best fishing water on what is nevertheless alleged to be a
premier stream. More he

http://www.yellowdogwatershed.org/Ri...ver_facts.html



The Peshekee:

http://images.google.com/images?q=pe...r=&sa=N&tab=wi



And, finally, a montage of fall photos including the Sturgeon, Carp, Falls,
and Ontonagon rivers, and Morgan creek:

http://www.lakesuperiorphoto.com/Upp...ll_colors.html


And we haven't so much as scratched the surface.


All those planning to attend should get a copy of DeLorme's Michigan Atlas
and Gazetteer, study the pages covering the area radiating outward from
Marquette, and google anything else that looks interesting. Anyone NOT
planning to attend should do the same.......and change his or her mind.
:)

Wolfgang

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"Wolfgang" wrote...

snip temptations of the forbidden fruit

Good gawd, I wish I could get up there this year. Hope y'all have fun. I'll
cook up some pasties in absentia.

Dan

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The Yellow Dog River:

http://www.geocities.com/midwestrive...Dog-Lower.html

Sorry, got stuck at "the brewpub in Marquette."

Frank Reid

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Wolfgang wrote:
A little something to whet the appetites of those planning to
attend.......and perhaps excite the curiosity of others.....

yum! yum!

jeff

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Daniel-San (Rot13) wrote:
"Wolfgang" wrote...

snip temptations of the forbidden fruit

Good gawd, I wish I could get up there this year. Hope y'all have fun. I'll
cook up some pasties in absentia.

I've made pasties. It's a lot of work. I'd suggest that you come with
us, eat pasties in their natural habitat........and deal with work and
family.....in absentia. :)

Wolfgang

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Frank Reid wrote:
The Yellow Dog River:

http://www.geocities.com/midwestrive...Dog-Lower.html

Sorry, got stuck at "the brewpub in Marquette."

As is often the case in major metropolitan areas, Marquette's
International Airport isn't exactly in Marquette. Oh, it's within
commuting distance......but, for the most part, the cricks is in the
other direction. Such is life on the frontier. Life is full of hard
decisions. :(

Wolfgang

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"Wolfgang" wrote ...

Daniel-San (Rot13) wrote:
"Wolfgang" wrote...

snip temptations of the forbidden fruit

Good gawd, I wish I could get up there this year. Hope y'all have fun.
I'll
cook up some pasties in absentia.

I've made pasties. It's a lot of work.

Hell, half of the work is deciding howzabout to undertake the process. There
are (at last count) 6.02 x 10^23 different recipes on the web (I know, I'm
still not a chemist). Deciding which is best, or distilling the better parts
from many is an undertaking worthy of at least a few hours time. Then,
there's the whole "crust" question. Sweeter? Flakier? Bisquik (Heretic!)?
Pre-made (Apostate!)? The possibilities are almost without limit.

The actual stewing, and subsequent baking of the various ingredientia is, to
me, the easy part.

'Course, the eating is generally the *best* part.


I'd suggest that you come with
us, eat pasties in their natural habitat........and deal with work and
family.....in absentia. :)

The natural habitat (including the beer, the fishing/hiking, and the varied
accompanying fauna) certainly does bring out the best in _pastyus
yooperalarus_. (Especially from the little stand on the side of 41 (or 141?)
as you enter, then leave, then enter Michigan. About the best six or seven
bucks you can spend.)

Unfortunately, classes start next week, and I'm already at least 20 years
behind in my reading.


Dan
....maybe closer to 30 years behind?!?!?

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Wolfgang wrote:

[snip of much to drool over]

All those planning to attend should get a copy of DeLorme's Michigan Atlas
and Gazetteer, study the pages covering the area radiating outward from
Marquette, and google anything else that looks interesting. Anyone NOT
planning to attend should do the same.......and change his or her mind.
:)

You are an evil person. :-) I would even say "Bite me", but I
don't want to get Dave L. all worked up.


Chuck Vance (who at least has the consolation that he'll be
standing in Canada's holy waters sometime next week)

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"Conan The Librarian" wrote in message
...

You are an evil person. :-)

An awareness of which I have ROFF to thank for. Prior to my arrival here I
had thought that I was merely offensive, obstreperous, dull-witted,
slovenly, cowardly, short, nasty, apostate, illiterate, neurotic,
untrustworthy, demonic, pedantic, traitorous, larcenous, uxorious,
indecorous, febrile, stinky, kinky, hinky, flatulent, unpatriotic,
indecisive, pimply, piebald, mangy, leprous, scabrous, unctuous,
sanctimonious, supercilious, punctilious, bilious, phlegmatic, sanguinary,
morbid, belligerent, bellicose, bespectacled, bombastic, unreliable,
ill-kempt, ill-humored, illegitimate, narcissistic, solipsistic, rude,
crude, ornery, unfriendly, and unsavory.

Imagine my surprise!

I would even say "Bite me", but I don't want to get Dave L. all worked up.

Pity. There are several benighted Islamic nations still waiting for
democratic invasions.

Chuck Vance (who at least has the consolation that he'll be standing
in Canada's holy waters sometime next week)

I just looked at a map......Canada is right next to da Yoop, eh? :)

Wolfgang

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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

"Conan The Librarian" wrote in message
...

You are an evil person. :-)

An awareness of which I have ROFF to thank for. Prior to my arrival here
I had thought that I was merely offensive, obstreperous, dull-witted,
slovenly, cowardly, short, nasty, apostate, illiterate, neurotic,
untrustworthy, demonic, pedantic, traitorous, larcenous, uxorious,
indecorous, febrile, stinky, kinky, hinky, flatulent, unpatriotic,
indecisive, pimply, piebald, mangy, leprous, scabrous, unctuous,
sanctimonious, supercilious, punctilious, bilious, phlegmatic, sanguinary,
morbid, belligerent, bellicose, bespectacled, bombastic, unreliable,
ill-kempt, ill-humored, illegitimate, narcissistic, solipsistic, rude,
crude, ornery, unfriendly, and unsavory.

Imagine my surprise!


After your description Wolf, everyone here in ROFF has some evil in them.
-tom

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Wolfgang wrote:

"Conan The Librarian" wrote in message
...

You are an evil person. :-)

An awareness of which I have ROFF to thank for. Prior to my arrival here I
had thought that I was merely offensive, obstreperous, dull-witted,
slovenly, cowardly, short, nasty, apostate, illiterate, neurotic,
untrustworthy, demonic, pedantic, traitorous, larcenous, uxorious,
indecorous, febrile, stinky, kinky, hinky, flatulent, unpatriotic,

I never thought I'd see "hinky" come up again on ROFF. Nice work. :-)

[little snip]

Chuck Vance (who at least has the consolation that he'll be standing
in Canada's holy waters sometime next week)

I just looked at a map......Canada is right next to da Yoop, eh? :)

I just looked at a map too. It looks like the area of Canada where
I'll be is sorta down and way over dere to the left of da Yoop. :-)

But if it wasn't for the fact that this trip is as much for SWMBO to
see her newborn granddaughter and her dad as it is for me to fish, I'd
probably be taking a detour for some pasties and poetry.


Chuck Vance (you betcha by golly)

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"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
...

After your description Wolf, everyone here in ROFF has some evil in them.

Well, the mere possession of any of those characteristics doesn't
necessarily make one evil. Being a victim of Hansen's disease (leprosy),
for example, is generally conceded these days to be simply a physical
affliction, the result of bacterial infection, rather than a manifestation
of an inherent character defect or God's disfavor. Even the entire
inventory could leave one somewhat short of evil. Consider the case of a
child who is, through no fault of his or her own, dull-witted, cowardly,
short, illiterate, neurotic, indecorous, stinky, flatulent, indecisive,
pimply, piebald, mangy, leprous, scabrous, bespectacled, and illegitimate.
It will come as no surprise that he or she will not be very popular at
school (or even at home) and that he or she might, as a result, acquire the
rest of the list by a natural (if rather unfortunate) process of accretion
over a period of years. By now, a decidedly sour outlook on life is to be
expected. Even so, one can struggle to control or manage what can now be
seen as symptoms rather than inherent flaws......one can be bellicose in
disposition but never act on a warlike impulse. No action, no evil.

In fact, that last bit is the key to the whole thing. Unfortunately, simple
truths are the hardest to sell, and finding evil wherever one wishes to is
still the easiest route to justifying wholesale consignment to mass
graves......well, assuming that one can be bothered to bury the dead.

Wolfgang
who, in fairness, is only occasionally flatulent.

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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
...

After your description Wolf, everyone here in ROFF has some evil in them.

Well, the mere possession of any of those characteristics doesn't
necessarily make one evil. Being a victim of Hansen's disease (leprosy),
for example, is generally conceded these days to be simply a physical
affliction, the result of bacterial infection, rather than a manifestation
of an inherent character defect or God's disfavor. Even the entire
inventory could leave one somewhat short of evil. Consider the case of a
child who is, through no fault of his or her own, dull-witted, cowardly,
short, illiterate, neurotic, indecorous, stinky, flatulent, indecisive,
pimply, piebald, mangy, leprous, scabrous, bespectacled, and illegitimate.
It will come as no surprise that he or she will not be very popular at
school (or even at home) and that he or she might, as a result, acquire
the rest of the list by a natural (if rather unfortunate) process of
accretion over a period of years. By now, a decidedly sour outlook on
life is to be expected. Even so, one can struggle to control or manage
what can now be seen as symptoms rather than inherent flaws......one can
be bellicose in disposition but never act on a warlike impulse. No
action, no evil.

In fact, that last bit is the key to the whole thing. Unfortunately,
simple truths are the hardest to sell, and finding evil wherever one
wishes to is still the easiest route to justifying wholesale consignment
to mass graves......well, assuming that one can be bothered to bury the
dead.

Wolfgang
who, in fairness, is only occasionally flatulent.


I meant evil as irascibility.
-tom

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"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
...

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
...

After your description Wolf, everyone here in ROFF has some evil in
them.

Well, the mere possession of any of those characteristics doesn't
necessarily make one evil. Being a victim of Hansen's disease (leprosy),
for example, is generally conceded these days to be simply a physical
affliction, the result of bacterial infection, rather than a
manifestation of an inherent character defect or God's disfavor. Even
the entire inventory could leave one somewhat short of evil. Consider
the case of a child who is, through no fault of his or her own,
dull-witted, cowardly, short, illiterate, neurotic, indecorous, stinky,
flatulent, indecisive, pimply, piebald, mangy, leprous, scabrous,
bespectacled, and illegitimate. It will come as no surprise that he or
she will not be very popular at school (or even at home) and that he or
she might, as a result, acquire the rest of the list by a natural (if
rather unfortunate) process of accretion over a period of years. By now,
a decidedly sour outlook on life is to be expected. Even so, one can
struggle to control or manage what can now be seen as symptoms rather
than inherent flaws......one can be bellicose in disposition but never
act on a warlike impulse. No action, no evil.

In fact, that last bit is the key to the whole thing. Unfortunately,
simple truths are the hardest to sell, and finding evil wherever one
wishes to is still the easiest route to justifying wholesale consignment
to mass graves......well, assuming that one can be bothered to bury the
dead.

Wolfgang
who, in fairness, is only occasionally flatulent.


I meant evil as irascibility.

My mistake......I thought you meant evil as beets or unwaxed dental floss.

Wolfgang

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On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 07:33:06 -0500, Conan The Librarian
wrote:

You are an evil person. :-) I would even say "Bite me", but I
don't want to get Dave L. all worked up.

I don't find that offensive when your with friends, etc. I *do* find
it offensive when it is uttered in public or is on a t-shirt in
public. So, tell him to bite you all you want. d'o)

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"Conan The Librarian" wrote in message
...
Wolfgang wrote:

I just looked at a map......Canada is right next to da Yoop, eh?
:)

I just looked at a map too. It looks like the area of Canada where
I'll be is sorta down and way over dere to the left of da Yoop. :-)

Go up.....turn right! :)

But if it wasn't for the fact that this trip is as much for SWMBO to
see her newborn granddaughter and her dad as it is for me to fish, I'd
probably be taking a detour for some pasties and poetry.
Chuck Vance (you betcha by golly)

Hm.....Pasties and Poetry while perambulating on the Peshekee. I don't
know......this could set a dangerous precedent.....could change the face of
ROFFian claves forever. :(

Wolfgang
on the other hand, throw in some pork, porter, and panini and it's a
peripatetic picnic.

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Dave LaCourse wrote:

On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 07:33:06 -0500, Conan The Librarian
wrote:

You are an evil person. :-) I would even say "Bite me", but I
don't want to get Dave L. all worked up.

I don't find that offensive when your with friends, etc. I *do* find
it offensive when it is uttered in public or is on a t-shirt in
public. So, tell him to bite you all you want. d'o)

FWIW, in my experience, its meaning isn't as overtly explicit as you
seem to think. Actually, in my experience it's used for "bite my ass",
which really isn't an invitation. When you tell someone to kiss your
ass, do you really want him/her to plant a wet one there? :-)


Chuck Vance (not that there's anything wrong with that)

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"Conan The Librarian" wrote in message
...
Dave LaCourse wrote:

On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 07:33:06 -0500, Conan The Librarian
wrote:

You are an evil person. :-) I would even say "Bite me", but I don't
want to get Dave L. all worked up.

I don't find that offensive when your with friends, etc. I *do* find
it offensive when it is uttered in public or is on a t-shirt in
public. So, tell him to bite you all you want. d'o)

FWIW, in my experience, its meaning isn't as overtly explicit as you
seem to think. Actually, in my experience it's used for "bite my ass",
which really isn't an invitation.

One can only wonder what sort of histrionic tizzy davie would go off into on
hearing someone say of something.....in public.....that "it sucks." :)

When you tell someone to kiss your ass, do you really want him/her to
plant a wet one there? :-)

Stevie does!

Chuck Vance (not that there's anything wrong with that)

Well, if it's the wrong teenage girl........

Wolfgang

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"Tom Nakashima"

I meant evil as irascibility.
-tom

At 55 can I be irascible yet?

john

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"asadi" wrote in message
. ..

"Tom Nakashima"

I meant evil as irascibility.
-tom

At 55 can I be irascible yet?

john

According to some recent articles I've read, you can show signs as early as
age 3.
-tom