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We think we'll be up the night of the 11th. Any general idea where
folks will be?

Geo.

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George Cleveland wrote:
We think we'll be up the night of the 11th. Any general idea where
folks will be?

Aside from Bill's desire to hit the Fox......which makes perfect sense
considering where he's coming from.....and John's to spend some time
back in the canyon at Sturgeon Falls, no one has expressed any strong
preferences. Given the abundance of streams to the south, west and
north of Marquette I think we should try some of those for the first
couple of days and see how things go from there.

The first night, at least, we'll be staying at the Escanaba River State
Forest Campground at Little Lake, just off hwy. 35, about 6 miles
southeast of the airport. Map coordinates B6 on page 101 of DeLorme's
Michigan Atlas.

After that, we move or stay according to consensus, trying to connect
with everyone else as they show up and find good water. Frankly, after
doing a bunch of research in the past month, it looks to me like Little
Lake will do as well as any for a base camp. We can radiate out from
there and a lifetime wouldn't be enough to sample all the water
available. Generally, the area to the west looks a bit more appealing
to me......more hills, less swamp.

Unless someone wants to make rock solid plans in advance, we'll have to
rely on updates by phone. This won't be a problem as long as we stay
near Marquette or the airport, but cell phone reception can get a bit
dicey out in the sticks.

Any thoughts?

Wolfgang

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On 3 Sep 2006 19:21:52 -0700, "Wolfgang" wrote:


George Cleveland wrote:
We think we'll be up the night of the 11th. Any general idea where
folks will be?

Aside from Bill's desire to hit the Fox......which makes perfect sense
considering where he's coming from.....and John's to spend some time
back in the canyon at Sturgeon Falls, no one has expressed any strong
preferences. Given the abundance of streams to the south, west and
north of Marquette I think we should try some of those for the first
couple of days and see how things go from there.

The first night, at least, we'll be staying at the Escanaba River State
Forest Campground at Little Lake, just off hwy. 35, about 6 miles
southeast of the airport. Map coordinates B6 on page 101 of DeLorme's
Michigan Atlas.

After that, we move or stay according to consensus, trying to connect
with everyone else as they show up and find good water. Frankly, after
doing a bunch of research in the past month, it looks to me like Little
Lake will do as well as any for a base camp. We can radiate out from
there and a lifetime wouldn't be enough to sample all the water
available. Generally, the area to the west looks a bit more appealing
to me......more hills, less swamp.

Unless someone wants to make rock solid plans in advance, we'll have to
rely on updates by phone. This won't be a problem as long as we stay
near Marquette or the airport, but cell phone reception can get a bit
dicey out in the sticks.

Any thoughts?

Wolfgang


Sounds reasonable.

Phone numbers here are 715-536-2246 and for the cell 715-297-2262

If anyone wants to email me theirs-



g.c.

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Wolfgang wrote:

snip

it's all new to me and sounds like a plan. where would george like to
meet?

....btw...i'd like to overnight my big, rectangular, sleeping bag to your
home to bring along in your car. it's one of those cheap bags that
isn't made for packing or hiking or airplanes because it rolls up real
big, but it's comfy down to 20 degrees. ok with you? will you be there
on thursday to receive it by fed ex?

jeff (starting to think about packing)

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jeff wrote:
Wolfgang wrote:

snip

it's all new to me and sounds like a plan. where would george like to
meet?

...btw...i'd like to overnight my big, rectangular, sleeping bag to your
home to bring along in your car. it's one of those cheap bags that
isn't made for packing or hiking or airplanes because it rolls up real
big, but it's comfy down to 20 degrees. ok with you? will you be there
on thursday to receive it by fed ex?

I'll be at work till 3:00 Thursday.....don't know whether they'll just
leave it on the porch. If they deliver later, I'll be around. John is
bringing extra sleeping bags for you and Frank. If you prefer one of
your own, buying a new one in Marquette (or I can pick one up somewhere
today) probably won't cost any more than having yours shipped.

jeff (starting to think about packing)

Hell, you are WAY behind. I've been thinking about it for weeks.
:)

Wolfgang

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Wolfgang wrote:
jeff wrote:
John is
bringing extra sleeping bags for you and Frank. If you prefer one of
your own, buying a new one in Marquette probably won't cost any more than having yours shipped.

didn't know john was bringing extras. that or buying in marquette makes
more sense, so i'll nix the fed ex deal. not sure of the streams we'll
be fishing, but i'm only bringing a 7.5' 4 weight and an 8.5' 5 weight.
based on the streams we fished last time, and my carry-on travel
limits, i figured they'd be adequate for this trip. anybody bringing
spinning rods and tackle? g




jeff (starting to think about packing)


Hell, you are WAY behind. I've been thinking about it for weeks.

yeah, but i've done a lot of thinking about it in the last 24 hours (as
my fed ex excess shows). minimalist packing versus comfort needs... 2
of this, 3 of that... this-n-that... it's all been very confounding.
until just now, i remembered the nature of the merry band of fellow
travelers on this trek, smiled, and relaxed. it was a zen moment. but
zis is now, and i gotta be sure to remember to take...aaarrrggghhh!!!

see y'all friday.

jeff

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jeff wrote:
Wolfgang wrote:
jeff wrote:
John is
bringing extra sleeping bags for you and Frank. If you prefer one of
your own, buying a new one in Marquette probably won't cost any more than having yours shipped.

didn't know john was bringing extras. that or buying in marquette makes
more sense, so i'll nix the fed ex deal.

O.k., the sleeping bag issue is officially laid to rest.

not sure of the streams we'll
be fishing, but i'm only bringing a 7.5' 4 weight and an 8.5' 5 weight.
based on the streams we fished last time, and my carry-on travel
limits, i figured they'd be adequate for this trip. anybody bringing
spinning rods and tackle? g

I've got a long list of potential streams, most of which we won't be
able to get to in just one week......****, the Escanaba watershed alone
looks like it would be worth a month. Your rod selection will be fine
for all of them. The only thing that might warrant bigger guns is the
possibility of encountering lake run browns IF any are coming up to
spawn this early and IF anyone should decide that the pursuit is worth
the time. I'll have my old St. Croix 7/11 wt. along for just such a
contingency.

jeff (starting to think about packing)


Hell, you are WAY behind. I've been thinking about it for weeks.

yeah, but i've done a lot of thinking about it in the last 24 hours (as
my fed ex excess shows). minimalist packing versus comfort needs... 2
of this, 3 of that... this-n-that... it's all been very confounding.
until just now, i remembered the nature of the merry band of fellow
travelers on this trek, smiled, and relaxed. it was a zen moment. but
zis is now, and i gotta be sure to remember to take...aaarrrggghhh!!!

I've been sitting here for the last hour or so, trying to make up a
packing list of my own. This is a new and not at all enjoyable
experience for me. In all likelihood I'll soon abandon the project in
favor wandering aimlessly around the back yard, poring wistfully (yet
again) over the siren song score of faint blue squiggles in the atlas,
or sitting and staring balefully at a clock I suspect has begun to run
at about half speed. Sometime in the late afternoon or early evening
I'll start to rummage through various cubbies, closets, the garage, and
the basement, and I'll slowly build an immense heap of stuff that will
unaccountably be missing everything of importance. Everything will
trickle into place over the next three days.

see y'all friday.

Follow the wet footprints out to the parking lot. :)

Wolfgang
ommmmmmm

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jeff (starting to think about packing)

Hell, you are WAY behind. I've been thinking about it for weeks.

Yeh, gonna be different for me. I'm used to hauling everything in my
truck, so usually wouldn't worry about what I was going to have to
leave behind. And now that the fuel prices have dropped, it would have
been cheaper to drive it than fly. Oh well.
I'll pack this afternoon. Will give me time to run to the store if I
find I'm short on something. Just tying flies now, watching a
recording of Sharpe's Challenge from the BBC.
Oh yeah, just got my license. http://www.mdnr-elicense.com/welcome.asp
I always print two copies. One I keep on me one goes in my luggage in
case I take a swim with the first.
Frank Reid

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Frank Reid wrote:
jeff (starting to think about packing)

Hell, you are WAY behind. I've been thinking about it for weeks.

Yeh, gonna be different for me. I'm used to hauling everything in my
truck, so usually wouldn't worry about what I was going to have to
leave behind. And now that the fuel prices have dropped, it would have
been cheaper to drive it than fly. Oh well.

Not to worry, John will have everything......and I've got plenty more
to fill in the chinks. :)

I'll pack this afternoon. Will give me time to run to the store if I
find I'm short on something. Just tying flies now, watching a
recording of Sharpe's Challenge from the BBC.
Oh yeah, just got my license. http://www.mdnr-elicense.com/welcome.asp
I always print two copies. One I keep on me one goes in my luggage in
case I take a swim with the first.

Good Plan.

I talked to Bret and Charlene this morning, and then again to them and
Jay and Jan and Patty (don't worry about who these people
are.....you'll get the whole sordid family history in a few days) just
a few minutes ago. Jay (the *******!) and Patty fished the Yellow Dog
yesterday. Didn't do well, but on a previous trip a couple of weeks
ago, he says, they caught lots of fish.....20-30 in a couple of hours.
Water levels are low.....it's been another dry year.....but not
drastically so. I got some good information about where to go, how to
get there, etc. Also got some more information about various other
streams. Jan says the sauna will be ready for us, and Bret says he'll
have a couple of 25 inch browns in the freezer for us.....looks like
the spawning run is already on. So, a trip over to the Fisher shack
appears to be obligatory......not much of a hardship considering the
aforementioned amenities, and some awesome (and very familiar) water.

And then, there's all the other water that nobody has even so much as
looked at yet. It's beginning to look as if this trip wasn't such a
bad idea after all. :)

Wolfgang

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Jacuzzi? Time to bring my trunks as no one wants to see me buck ass
naked.
Low water, hmm, streamer time in the deep holes. Should be fun.
Got a lot to do between Tuesday and Friday a.m.
Frank Reid

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Frank Reid wrote:
Jacuzzi?

Negative. Sauna (pronounced SOW-nuh). Wood fired stove....gotta pump
the water.....wait for it to heat up.....sit on the bench and
sweat.....wash and rinse with cool water.

No electricity. Gas lights.

Time to bring my trunks as no one wants to see me buck ass
naked.

Most people go out singly.....take turns. None of my business, though.
:)

Low water, hmm, streamer time in the deep holes. Should be fun.

Yup.

Got a lot to do between Tuesday and Friday a.m.

Get busy.....don't be late to the airport.

Wolfgang

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I thought youz boyz was gonna be fishin' in the great north, not goin' all
perverse on us!

Op


"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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Frank Reid wrote:
Jacuzzi?

Negative. Sauna (pronounced SOW-nuh). Wood fired stove....gotta pump
the water.....wait for it to heat up.....sit on the bench and
sweat.....wash and rinse with cool water.

No electricity. Gas lights.

Time to bring my trunks as no one wants to see me buck ass
naked.

Most people go out singly.....take turns. None of my business, though.
:)

Low water, hmm, streamer time in the deep holes. Should be fun.

Yup.

Got a lot to do between Tuesday and Friday a.m.

Get busy.....don't be late to the airport.

Wolfgang

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Frank Reid wrote:
Jacuzzi? Time to bring my trunks as no one wants to see me buck ass
naked.
Low water, hmm, streamer time in the deep holes. Should be fun.
Got a lot to do between Tuesday and Friday a.m.
Frank Reid


not a jacuzzi, a sauna... it's better than ambien. and, it's one at a time.

jeff

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On 4 Sep 2006 14:42:22 -0700, "Wolfgang" wrote:


Frank Reid wrote:
Jacuzzi?

Negative. Sauna (pronounced SOW-nuh). Wood fired stove....gotta pump
the water.....wait for it to heat up.....sit on the bench and
sweat.....wash and rinse with cool water.

Isn't a lashing with birch branches part of the ritual.

"Finns often use short bundles of birch branches, called "vihtas", to
tap against their bodies to stimulate the skin. These same birch
branches can be laid on top of the rocks for a few seconds while water
is poured through them to create a very pleasant birch aroma in the
room."

From- http://www.finlandiasauna.com/saunatrivia.htm


No electricity. Gas lights.

Time to bring my trunks as no one wants to see me buck ass
naked.

Most people go out singly.....take turns. None of my business, though.
:)

Low water, hmm, streamer time in the deep holes. Should be fun.

Yup.

Got a lot to do between Tuesday and Friday a.m.

Get busy.....don't be late to the airport.

Wolfgang


g.c.

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George Cleveland wrote:
On 4 Sep 2006 14:42:22 -0700, "Wolfgang" wrote:


Frank Reid wrote:
Jacuzzi?

Negative. Sauna (pronounced SOW-nuh). Wood fired stove....gotta pump
the water.....wait for it to heat up.....sit on the bench and
sweat.....wash and rinse with cool water.

Isn't a lashing with birch branches part of the ritual.

So I've always been told. The Fishers, being only half Finn, never
adopted the practice

"Finns often use short bundles of birch branches, called "vihtas", to
tap against their bodies to stimulate the skin. These same birch
branches can be laid on top of the rocks for a few seconds while water
is poured through them to create a very pleasant birch aroma in the
room."

From- http://www.finlandiasauna.com/saunatrivia.htm

You need an "l" after that htm.

From the site: "High temperature in the Sauna is comfortable because
humidity is very low."

Well, sometimes, I suppose. In fact, this sauna stove has a raised
edge, about four inches high all the way around the top. This forms a
retaining wall to hold a few dozen softball sized rocks. When
everything gets nice and hot, the first person in may have a dry
atmosphere.....for a while.....depends on how long the water has been
boiling in the jacket. By the time he or she gets finished enough
water has been splashed about to make it very humid. It is also a
common practice to throw a dipperful of water on the rocks from time to
time to generate steam. This should be done cautiously. There is a
chance of being splashed with boiling water if it is thrown too
violently. If the rocks are really hot, this also generates a pretty
substantial burst of steam. You don't want to hold the dipper over the
rocks and pour it slowly or you will parboil your hand. And, of
course, the atmosphere instantly becomes super-saturated and HOT! Be
prepared to get off the bench and down near the floor or out the door.
:)

Wolfgang
who likes it at about 150 fahrenheit.......most people don't.

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"Frank Reid" wrote in message
oups.com...
jeff (starting to think about packing)

Hell, you are WAY behind. I've been thinking about it for weeks.

Yeh, gonna be different for me. I'm used to hauling everything in my
truck, so usually wouldn't worry about what I was going to have to
leave behind. And now that the fuel prices have dropped, it would have
been cheaper to drive it than fly. Oh well.
I'll pack this afternoon. Will give me time to run to the store if I
find I'm short on something. Just tying flies now, watching a
recording of Sharpe's Challenge from the BBC.
Oh yeah, just got my license. http://www.mdnr-elicense.com/welcome.asp
I always print two copies. One I keep on me one goes in my luggage in
case I take a swim with the first.
Frank Reid


You fly guys pack as if you were staying in a furnished condo or at each
others house. Don't worry about any of that cooking or lanterns or tents or
camping stuff like that.

Your rod, toothbrush and clean underwear in case you have to go to the
hospital should be more than sufficient.

Any other's driving in,pack only the necessities and minimalist camping
(tent and bag, plate and fork) I can accommodate four or five and Wolfgang
and I have it pretty well covered.

john.... I even have traveling music...

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On 4 Sep 2006 17:57:59 -0700, "Wolfgang" wrote:


George Cleveland wrote:
On 4 Sep 2006 14:42:22 -0700, "Wolfgang" wrote:


Frank Reid wrote:
Jacuzzi?

Negative. Sauna (pronounced SOW-nuh). Wood fired stove....gotta pump
the water.....wait for it to heat up.....sit on the bench and
sweat.....wash and rinse with cool water.

Isn't a lashing with birch branches part of the ritual.

So I've always been told. The Fishers, being only half Finn, never
adopted the practice

"Finns often use short bundles of birch branches, called "vihtas", to
tap against their bodies to stimulate the skin. These same birch
branches can be laid on top of the rocks for a few seconds while water
is poured through them to create a very pleasant birch aroma in the
room."

From- http://www.finlandiasauna.com/saunatrivia.htm

You need an "l" after that htm.

http://www.finlandiasauna.com/saunatrivia.html

There ya be, Master Wolfgang.

hth

g.c.

From the site: "High temperature in the Sauna is comfortable because
humidity is very low."

Well, sometimes, I suppose. In fact, this sauna stove has a raised
edge, about four inches high all the way around the top. This forms a
retaining wall to hold a few dozen softball sized rocks. When
everything gets nice and hot, the first person in may have a dry
atmosphere.....for a while.....depends on how long the water has been
boiling in the jacket. By the time he or she gets finished enough
water has been splashed about to make it very humid. It is also a
common practice to throw a dipperful of water on the rocks from time to
time to generate steam. This should be done cautiously. There is a
chance of being splashed with boiling water if it is thrown too
violently. If the rocks are really hot, this also generates a pretty
substantial burst of steam. You don't want to hold the dipper over the
rocks and pour it slowly or you will parboil your hand. And, of
course, the atmosphere instantly becomes super-saturated and HOT! Be
prepared to get off the bench and down near the floor or out the door.
:)

Wolfgang
who likes it at about 150 fahrenheit.......most people don't.

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"jeff" wrote in message
news:L81Lg.7997$Zm1.5964@dukeread02...
Frank Reid wrote:
Jacuzzi? Time to bring my trunks as no one wants to see me buck ass
naked.
Low water, hmm, streamer time in the deep holes. Should be fun.
Got a lot to do between Tuesday and Friday a.m. Frank Reid


not a jacuzzi, a sauna... it's better than ambien. and, it's one at a
time.

jeff

Jeff, it's a really nice little set-up and the bench is a double wide!!!

john

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asadi wrote:
"jeff" wrote in message
news:L81Lg.7997$Zm1.5964@dukeread02...

Frank Reid wrote:

Jacuzzi? Time to bring my trunks as no one wants to see me buck ass
naked.
Low water, hmm, streamer time in the deep holes. Should be fun.
Got a lot to do between Tuesday and Friday a.m. Frank Reid


not a jacuzzi, a sauna... it's better than ambien. and, it's one at a
time.

jeff


Jeff, it's a really nice little set-up and the bench is a double wide!!!

john



john - i've spent a few days at "fisher's shack" and some time in the
sauna. very pleasant... and, it's still one at a time for me. unless, of
course, y'all are bringing along a lovely lass who needs someone to
gently ladle the water on the rocks and to hold her towel. in that case,
my modesty may be forced to yield to my southern manners. but, having
seen some of the local femmes of bruce crossing, should you find
yourself in one's company, i feel certain she'll be quite able to manage
her own sauna unassisted (assuming she doesn't need someone to hold her
chainsaw).


jeff

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john.... I even have traveling music...

Well, do you have the group "Da Yoopers?" Here's an example of their
lyrics.
http://www.lyricsdownload.com/da-yoo...ip-lyrics.html

We gotta get this CD.
Frank Reid

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"Frank Reid" wrote in message
ups.com...
john.... I even have traveling music...

Well, do you have the group "Da Yoopers?" Here's an example of their
lyrics.
http://www.lyricsdownload.com/da-yoo...ip-lyrics.html

We gotta get this CD.

You may rest assured that this and all their other works are readily
available at all the finer retail establishments in the U.P. I've seen them
at the Settler's Co-op in Bruce's.

Wolfgang

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john.... I even have traveling music...

Well, do you have the group "Da Yoopers?" Here's an example of their
lyrics.
http://www.lyricsdownload.com/da-yoo...ip-lyrics.html

We gotta get this CD.

You may rest assured that this and all their other works are readily
available at all the finer retail establishments in the U.P. I've seen them
at the Settler's Co-op in Bruce's.

A coworker mentioned them to me. I found their web site
(http://dayoopers.com/travshw.html) and went to the lyrics page. There
is some classic music there, including "The Couch that Burps," "I Tink
my Beagle's Gay," and "Free Beer."
Frank Reid