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Winner Chameleon
Does anyone own one of these?
How is it still holding up? I love the layout of this Fish N Ski.. I know winner is out of business. The hull is fiberglass.. Does the Transom have wood and is it rotting? I am hoping to get my hands on one someday. Thanks, Jeff |
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Jeffrae wrote:
Does anyone own one of these? How is it still holding up? I love the layout of this Fish N Ski.. I know winner is out of business. The hull is fiberglass.. Does the Transom have wood and is it rotting? The only wood in a late model winner was the deck. I ran one for sseveral years in the late eighties -- not a fish-nski, just a single console bass boat -- and it was a great boat. The company folded because of management issues, not the quality of the boats. |
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RichZ wrote: Jeffrae wrote: Does anyone own one of these? How is it still holding up? I love the layout of this Fish N Ski.. I know winner is out of business. The hull is fiberglass.. Does the Transom have wood and is it rotting? The only wood in a late model winner was the deck. I ran one for sseveral years in the late eighties -- not a fish-nski, just a single console bass boat -- and it was a great boat. The company folded because of management issues, not the quality of the boats. I notice that Sprint Boats had the same Hull. Was Winner just Rebadged for awhile? Also.. Am I nutts for wanting an old boat froma defunct company? I figure anything that could go wrong with the boat would be.... Hardware... Plumbing.. Electrical. Electronic.. Cables.. Engine.. This can all be aftermarket.. So the Deck has wood? Do you think on the Fish N Ski just the two decks had wood and then the floor was fiberglass? What was the transom made of on these late model? Did Winner's Designer go anywhere after Winner? Maybe I would like his new styles if they exist. One last crazy question.. I am not a big time fisherman. I would do more joy riding, tubing, whater then using it as a bass boat.. Am I nutts for wanting a Fish N Ski? Thanks Rich!! |
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"Jeffrae" wrote in message
I am not a big time fisherman. I would do more joy riding, tubing, whater then using it as a bass boat.. Am I nutts for wanting a Fish N Ski? No, you are not nuts. You know what you want. I would however suggest that you look around. There are a number of really nice Fish N Ski boats out there. Nitro http://www.nitroboats.com/boat/index.cfm?boat=1759 http://www.nitroboats.com/boat/index.cfm?boat=1758 Ranger http://www.rangerboats.com/flash/fishPlay.cfm\ Skeeter http://www.skeeterboats.com/product_...ats/sl180.html Champion http://www.championboats.com/index.htm?id=1119 Triton http://www.tritonboats.com/frames.asp?cat=6 Stratos http://www.stratosboats.com/index.cfm?id=801 -- Bob La Londe Fishing Arizona & The Colorado River Fishing Forums & Contests http://www.YumaBassMan.com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Warning: Do not use Ultimate-Anonymity They are worthless spammers that are running a scam. |
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Bob La Londe wrote: "Jeffrae" wrote in message I am not a big time fisherman. I would do more joy riding, tubing, whater then using it as a bass boat.. Am I nutts for wanting a Fish N Ski? No, you are not nuts. You know what you want. I would however suggest that you look around. There are a number of really nice Fish N Ski boats out there. Nitro http://www.nitroboats.com/boat/index.cfm?boat=1759 http://www.nitroboats.com/boat/index.cfm?boat=1758 Ranger http://www.rangerboats.com/flash/fishPlay.cfm\ Skeeter http://www.skeeterboats.com/product_...ats/sl180.html Champion http://www.championboats.com/index.htm?id=1119 Triton http://www.tritonboats.com/frames.asp?cat=6 Stratos http://www.stratosboats.com/index.cfm?id=801 I have checked them all out.. Beautifull boats... I have not found any set up like the Winner.. With the two bucket seats.. two regular behind the buckets. then two pads up front.. Most of the Fish N Ski appear to have the two bench seats and a row of three seats by the driver. |
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Jeffrae wrote: Bob La Londe wrote: "Jeffrae" wrote in message I am not a big time fisherman. I would do more joy riding, tubing, whater then using it as a bass boat.. Am I nutts for wanting a Fish N Ski? No, you are not nuts. You know what you want. I would however suggest that you look around. There are a number of really nice Fish N Ski boats out there. Nitro http://www.nitroboats.com/boat/index.cfm?boat=1759 http://www.nitroboats.com/boat/index.cfm?boat=1758 Ranger http://www.rangerboats.com/flash/fishPlay.cfm\ Skeeter http://www.skeeterboats.com/product_...ats/sl180.html Champion http://www.championboats.com/index.htm?id=1119 Triton http://www.tritonboats.com/frames.asp?cat=6 Stratos http://www.stratosboats.com/index.cfm?id=801 I have checked them all out.. Beautifull boats... I have not found any set up like the Winner.. With the two bucket seats.. two regular behind the buckets. then two pads up front.. Most of the Fish N Ski appear to have the two bench seats and a row of three seats by the driver. Nevermind Stratos has anice layout.. I forgot about that... Thanks, Jeff |
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The company folded because
of management issues, not the quality of the boats. I figured that... Bayliner appears to make it even though they are garbage. Still Ever see any Winners on the water? |
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Jeffrae wrote:
Still Ever see any Winners on the water As a matter of fact, I do. There are a couple of them I see around the northeast every now and again. I always take notice of them, because I liked mine so much. The principal in Winner headed up the Nitro division of BPS for a year or two some time after Winner went out, but I don't know what happened to him after that. |
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RichZ wrote: Jeffrae wrote: Still Ever see any Winners on the water As a matter of fact, I do. There are a couple of them I see around the northeast every now and again. I always take notice of them, because I liked mine so much. The principal in Winner headed up the Nitro division of BPS for a year or two some time after Winner went out, but I don't know what happened to him after that. Thanks for your insight!! I went to look at this guy... http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/8/2/85356582.htm Beautifull Boat... Looks like the owner took great care of it and his kids got it out and hit something good with the lower unit.. The lower unit was repaired and the transom had cracks along the splash well. They looked deeper then the gelcoat but I may be wrong.. 6K seamed pretty high for an 88... Jeff |
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Jeffrae wrote:
6K seamed pretty high for an 88... Yeah -- about 3K too high. My kid bought a Dynatrak F&S of about that vintage last year (similar interior layout, BTW) for $2200. |
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RichZ wrote:
Jeffrae wrote: 6K seamed pretty high for an 88... Yeah -- about 3K too high. My kid bought a Dynatrak F&S of about that vintage last year (similar interior layout, BTW) for $2200. It wasn't in as good a shape as that one looks though. But still -- 6 grand is way out of whack. |
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RichZ wrote: RichZ wrote: Jeffrae wrote: 6K seamed pretty high for an 88... Yeah -- about 3K too high. My kid bought a Dynatrak F&S of about that vintage last year (similar interior layout, BTW) for $2200. It wasn't in as good a shape as that one looks though. But still -- 6 grand is way out of whack. I would have maybe gave him 4500 if the Transom was clean... It was a beautifull boat.. The dealer told me it was just stress cracks and that 90% of all used boats have them.. I dont buy it.. |
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Jeffrae wrote: RichZ wrote: RichZ wrote: Jeffrae wrote: 6K seamed pretty high for an 88... Yeah -- about 3K too high. My kid bought a Dynatrak F&S of about that vintage last year (similar interior layout, BTW) for $2200. It wasn't in as good a shape as that one looks though. But still -- 6 grand is way out of whack. I would have maybe gave him 4500 if the Transom was clean... It was a beautifull boat.. The dealer told me it was just stress cracks and that 90% of all used boats have them.. I dont buy it.. I see Winners in Other states going for 5k - 6.5k.. These dealers are nutts.. Maybe I need to lose my Winner Obsession.. I just remember my Parents Chameleon was a great boat. |
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Jeffrae wrote: RichZ wrote: RichZ wrote: Jeffrae wrote: 6K seamed pretty high for an 88... Yeah -- about 3K too high. My kid bought a Dynatrak F&S of about that vintage last year (similar interior layout, BTW) for $2200. It wasn't in as good a shape as that one looks though. But still -- 6 grand is way out of whack. I would have maybe gave him 4500 if the Transom was clean... It was a beautifull boat.. The dealer told me it was just stress cracks and that 90% of all used boats have them.. I dont buy it.. I see Winners in Other states going for 5k - 6.5k.. These dealers are nutts.. Maybe I need to lose my Winner Obsession.. I just remember my Parents Chameleon was a great boat. |
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Jeffrae wrote: RichZ wrote: RichZ wrote: Jeffrae wrote: 6K seamed pretty high for an 88... Yeah -- about 3K too high. My kid bought a Dynatrak F&S of about that vintage last year (similar interior layout, BTW) for $2200. It wasn't in as good a shape as that one looks though. But still -- 6 grand is way out of whack. I would have maybe gave him 4500 if the Transom was clean... It was a beautifull boat.. The dealer told me it was just stress cracks and that 90% of all used boats have them.. I dont buy it.. I see Winners in Other states going for 5k - 6.5k.. These dealers are nutts.. Maybe I need to lose my Winner Obsession.. I just remember my Parents Chameleon was a great boat. |
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RichZ wrote: Jeffrae wrote: 6K seamed pretty high for an 88... Yeah -- about 3K too high. My kid bought a Dynatrak F&S of about that vintage last year (similar interior layout, BTW) for $2200. Those like like the style Fish n Ski I like... It must be that vintage... I notice they are mode by Ebbtide.. Wasn't Ebtide from Dicksville TN just like Winner? They look pretty simlar.. Then again It's an 80's Fish N Ski.. |
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Jeffrae wrote: RichZ wrote: Jeffrae wrote: 6K seamed pretty high for an 88... Yeah -- about 3K too high. My kid bought a Dynatrak F&S of about that vintage last year (similar interior layout, BTW) for $2200. Those like like the style Fish n Ski I like... It must be that vintage... I notice they are mode by Ebbtide.. Wasn't Ebtide from Dicksville TN just like Winner? They look pretty simlar.. Then again It's an 80's Fish N Ski.. dickson Tn.. sorry According to this Article.. Ebbtide made the Winners Too... http://www.ejrc.cau.edu/DicksonArticleRDB.html |
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Jeffrae wrote:
Jeffrae wrote: RichZ wrote: Jeffrae wrote: 6K seamed pretty high for an 88... Yeah -- about 3K too high. My kid bought a Dynatrak F&S of about that vintage last year (similar interior layout, BTW) for $2200. Those like like the style Fish n Ski I like... It must be that vintage... I notice they are mode by Ebbtide.. Wasn't Ebtide from Dicksville TN just like Winner? They look pretty simlar.. Then again It's an 80's Fish N Ski.. dickson Tn.. sorry According to this Article.. Ebbtide made the Winners Too... http://www.ejrc.cau.edu/DicksonArticleRDB.html The article is patently wrong. I had factory deals with both Ebbtide (Dynatrak) and Winner. Spent time at both factories. Ebbtide was in White Bluff, on Jones Creek Road. Still is, to my knowledge, although they aren't in the bass boat business any more. Winner was in Dickson, but was several different entities over the years. In the 40s, it was in NJ, and was among the first manfacturers of fiberglass boats. Before MFG entered the boat business in the mid-50s (before that, they made the first corvette bodies!) Winner was the largest manufacturer of fiberglass boats. Anyway, they moved to Dixon in the 70s, I think. They were bought out by Thompson Boats and moved to Wisconsin in the mid-70s, and Thompson closed them up after two years. Ned(?) Momany, who was the guy behind the Winner boat that we know, ahd been the designed for Winner in TN, and restarted the company at its old site, in 1980, and ran it until its demise in about 90 or 91, although he had an ongoing legal battle with Thompson over the rights to the Winner name. He turned up a few years later at Nitro, but I haven't seen his name anywhere in the industry in at least 10 years. |
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RichZ wrote: Jeffrae wrote: Jeffrae wrote: RichZ wrote: Jeffrae wrote: 6K seamed pretty high for an 88... Yeah -- about 3K too high. My kid bought a Dynatrak F&S of about that vintage last year (similar interior layout, BTW) for $2200. Those like like the style Fish n Ski I like... It must be that vintage... I notice they are mode by Ebbtide.. Wasn't Ebtide from Dicksville TN just like Winner? They look pretty simlar.. Then again It's an 80's Fish N Ski.. dickson Tn.. sorry According to this Article.. Ebbtide made the Winners Too... http://www.ejrc.cau.edu/DicksonArticleRDB.html The article is patently wrong. I had factory deals with both Ebbtide (Dynatrak) and Winner. Spent time at both factories. Ebbtide was in White Bluff, on Jones Creek Road. Still is, to my knowledge, although they aren't in the bass boat business any more. Winner was in Dickson, but was several different entities over the years. In the 40s, it was in NJ, and was among the first manfacturers of fiberglass boats. Before MFG entered the boat business in the mid-50s (before that, they made the first corvette bodies!) Winner was the largest manufacturer of fiberglass boats. Anyway, they moved to Dixon in the 70s, I think. They were bought out by Thompson Boats and moved to Wisconsin in the mid-70s, and Thompson closed them up after two years. Ned(?) Momany, who was the guy behind the Winner boat that we know, ahd been the designed for Winner in TN, and restarted the company at its old site, in 1980, and ran it until its demise in about 90 or 91, although he had an ongoing legal battle with Thompson over the rights to the Winner name. He turned up a few years later at Nitro, but I haven't seen his name anywhere in the industry in at least 10 years. Thanks for this info.. I wish there was more information on the company out there.. Other companies dissapeared, but it is like Winner never existed.. Thanks for taking the time to give me a history lesson.. :) Jeff |
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Hopefully there are enough of these out there so that I can get my
hands on a decent one.. :) |
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1987 Ebbtide Compione..
Looks to me like they build a runabout on a Dyna-Track Design.. Kind of interesting. It is like a FishNSki without the livewells... http://www.edsboats.com/site_page_12...m_index_1.html I kno wI would do more boating, but I still want the luxary of the fishing features.. Jeffrae wrote: Hopefully there are enough of these out there so that I can get my hands on a decent one.. :) |
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Hi Rich,
Ebbtide had a Campioni model that looks like it was build on the DynaTrak Designs.. Pretty slick.. It is like they stripped off anything fishing related.. Even though I am not a big time fisherman I would still like the luxary of having the fishing addons. http://www.edsboats.com/site_page_12...m_index_1.html |
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Bob La Londe wrote: Ranger http://www.rangerboats.com/flash/fishPlay.cfm\ Hi, I also saw a 1995 Ranger R77 Fish N Ski that I liked. It is a 17.1.. Smaller then the Winner.. I still love that Winner though.. This only has a 90Hp Engine.. How do you think that boat would perform with a 90? Rangers are pretty heavy I beleive.. Jeff |
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"Jeffrae" wrote in message oups.com... Bob La Londe wrote: Ranger http://www.rangerboats.com/flash/fishPlay.cfm\ Hi, I also saw a 1995 Ranger R77 Fish N Ski that I liked. It is a 17.1.. Smaller then the Winner.. I still love that Winner though.. This only has a 90Hp Engine.. How do you think that boat would perform with a 90? Rangers are pretty heavy I beleive.. Yes they are. What you have to do is look at the boat's horsepower rating plate. You should never run a boat unless it's powered at a minimum of within 20% of the rated maximum horsepower. Otherwise, you will be disappointed in the performance of the boat. -- Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods http://www.herefishyfishy.com |
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