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Bob La Londe June 6th, 2004 10:04 PM

Force 50 Problems
 
I was fishing a tournament out of my little boat yesterday. I have a 1990
50HP Force model 507F90C on that boat. It suddenly started running crappy. I
pulled it off the main river and pulled the cowling. I pulled both spark
plugs to see what the condition was. The upper plug looked perfect, but the
lower one was pretty clean except for some grey milky oil. Looks like water
mixed in oil to me. I didn't have any choice, so I ran it back up river to
the marina where I launched from. It ran on one cylinder all the way.

I just checked compression on it this morning. I got 152 PSI on the top
cylinder, and about 90 on the lower cylinder. I poured some two stroke oil
in the lower cylinder to help lubricate the cylinder and see if the rings
were bad. Even with a couple ounces of oil in the cylinder it still only
read 90 PSI.

I am guessing head gasket blown through to the water jacket. Pretty simple
fix. Is there anything else I should look for?

Bob La Londe
Fishing and Boating Forums
http://www.YumaBassMan.com




Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers June 7th, 2004 02:41 AM

Force 50 Problems
 

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
I was fishing a tournament out of my little boat yesterday. I have a 1990
50HP Force model 507F90C on that boat. It suddenly started running crappy.

I
pulled it off the main river and pulled the cowling. I pulled both spark
plugs to see what the condition was. The upper plug looked perfect, but

the
lower one was pretty clean except for some grey milky oil. Looks like

water
mixed in oil to me. I didn't have any choice, so I ran it back up river to
the marina where I launched from. It ran on one cylinder all the way.

I just checked compression on it this morning. I got 152 PSI on the top
cylinder, and about 90 on the lower cylinder. I poured some two stroke oil
in the lower cylinder to help lubricate the cylinder and see if the rings
were bad. Even with a couple ounces of oil in the cylinder it still only
read 90 PSI.

I am guessing head gasket blown through to the water jacket. Pretty simple
fix. Is there anything else I should look for?


I had a Force 75 hp, a 1995 model. I made the mistake of trying SplitFire
sparkplugs in the darned thing, even though it ran perfectly, I was trying
to get a little more out of it. It ran like a raped ape for a short while,
then started missing and running crappy.

There was a hole burned in the side of the number one piston. The mechanic
told me that this was a common problem with that particular engine. I
luckily I got the powerhead replaced under warranty.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com



Bob La Londe June 7th, 2004 03:09 AM

Force 50 Problems
 
You are telling me I should pull the head before I order any parts then?
LOL.

--
Public Fishing & Boating Forums
Fishing & Boating Link Index
www.YumaBassMan.com


"Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers" wrote in
message ...

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
I was fishing a tournament out of my little boat yesterday. I have a

1990
50HP Force model 507F90C on that boat. It suddenly started running

crappy.
I
pulled it off the main river and pulled the cowling. I pulled both spark
plugs to see what the condition was. The upper plug looked perfect, but

the
lower one was pretty clean except for some grey milky oil. Looks like

water
mixed in oil to me. I didn't have any choice, so I ran it back up river

to
the marina where I launched from. It ran on one cylinder all the way.

I just checked compression on it this morning. I got 152 PSI on the top
cylinder, and about 90 on the lower cylinder. I poured some two stroke

oil
in the lower cylinder to help lubricate the cylinder and see if the

rings
were bad. Even with a couple ounces of oil in the cylinder it still only
read 90 PSI.

I am guessing head gasket blown through to the water jacket. Pretty

simple
fix. Is there anything else I should look for?


I had a Force 75 hp, a 1995 model. I made the mistake of trying SplitFire
sparkplugs in the darned thing, even though it ran perfectly, I was trying
to get a little more out of it. It ran like a raped ape for a short

while,
then started missing and running crappy.

There was a hole burned in the side of the number one piston. The

mechanic
told me that this was a common problem with that particular engine. I
luckily I got the powerhead replaced under warranty.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com





Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers June 7th, 2004 03:21 AM

Force 50 Problems
 

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
You are telling me I should pull the head before I order any parts then?
LOL.


It might not hurt.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com



Bob La Londe June 7th, 2004 03:29 AM

Force 50 Problems
 
Fortunately it only took a couple minutes. The piston has very minor
spatter marks. Looks like it has been getting a little bit of water for
quite some time. It was very clean, but fortunately no rust. The gasket
just picked now to completely give up. The gasket is definitely blown the
metal rim was gone for over and inch, and a small piece of the fiber was
missing directly into one of the water ports.

Even better news. The cylinders have no discernable ridge. I didn't mic it
as I don't have an inside micrometer, but doing the finger nail test I could
not feel anything at all. I think this motor has very very few hours on it.
Cool deal.

--
Public Fishing & Boating Forums
Fishing & Boating Link Index
www.YumaBassMan.com


"Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers" wrote in
message ...

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
You are telling me I should pull the head before I order any parts then?
LOL.


It might not hurt.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com





Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers June 7th, 2004 04:46 AM

Force 50 Problems
 

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Fortunately it only took a couple minutes. The piston has very minor
spatter marks. Looks like it has been getting a little bit of water for
quite some time. It was very clean, but fortunately no rust. The gasket
just picked now to completely give up. The gasket is definitely blown

the
metal rim was gone for over and inch, and a small piece of the fiber was
missing directly into one of the water ports.

Even better news. The cylinders have no discernable ridge. I didn't mic

it
as I don't have an inside micrometer, but doing the finger nail test I

could
not feel anything at all. I think this motor has very very few hours on

it.
Cool deal.


Sounds rebuildable to me. You, my friend were very lucky.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com



go-bassn June 7th, 2004 04:18 PM

Force 50 Problems
 
You store your boat outdoors Bob?

Warren

"Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers" wrote in
message ...

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Fortunately it only took a couple minutes. The piston has very minor
spatter marks. Looks like it has been getting a little bit of water for
quite some time. It was very clean, but fortunately no rust. The

gasket
just picked now to completely give up. The gasket is definitely blown

the
metal rim was gone for over and inch, and a small piece of the fiber was
missing directly into one of the water ports.

Even better news. The cylinders have no discernable ridge. I didn't

mic
it
as I don't have an inside micrometer, but doing the finger nail test I

could
not feel anything at all. I think this motor has very very few hours on

it.
Cool deal.


Sounds rebuildable to me. You, my friend were very lucky.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com





Bob La Londe June 7th, 2004 04:27 PM

Force 50 Problems
 
Yes. Why?

--
Public Fishing & Boating Forums
Fishing & Boating Link Index
www.YumaBassMan.com


"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
You store your boat outdoors Bob?

Warren

"Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers" wrote in
message ...

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Fortunately it only took a couple minutes. The piston has very minor
spatter marks. Looks like it has been getting a little bit of water

for
quite some time. It was very clean, but fortunately no rust. The

gasket
just picked now to completely give up. The gasket is definitely blown

the
metal rim was gone for over and inch, and a small piece of the fiber

was
missing directly into one of the water ports.

Even better news. The cylinders have no discernable ridge. I didn't

mic
it
as I don't have an inside micrometer, but doing the finger nail test I

could
not feel anything at all. I think this motor has very very few hours

on
it.
Cool deal.


Sounds rebuildable to me. You, my friend were very lucky.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com







go-bassn June 7th, 2004 04:57 PM

Force 50 Problems
 
That's the number 1 cause of gaskets going, hoses cracking etc. I know in
many cases it's unavoidable. Your area has pretty harsh temp extremes too,
doesn't it?

Warren

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Yes. Why?

--
Public Fishing & Boating Forums
Fishing & Boating Link Index
www.YumaBassMan.com


"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
You store your boat outdoors Bob?

Warren

"Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers" wrote in
message ...

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Fortunately it only took a couple minutes. The piston has very

minor
spatter marks. Looks like it has been getting a little bit of water

for
quite some time. It was very clean, but fortunately no rust. The

gasket
just picked now to completely give up. The gasket is definitely

blown
the
metal rim was gone for over and inch, and a small piece of the fiber

was
missing directly into one of the water ports.

Even better news. The cylinders have no discernable ridge. I

didn't
mic
it
as I don't have an inside micrometer, but doing the finger nail test

I
could
not feel anything at all. I think this motor has very very few

hours
on
it.
Cool deal.

Sounds rebuildable to me. You, my friend were very lucky.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com









Bob La Londe June 7th, 2004 11:13 PM

Force 50 Problems
 
Yeah sometimes 40 degrees change from night to day. I've been trying to
figure out how I could get the boats in and out of my side yard where I
could reasonably put up a shade, but its tough. I may have to break down
and buy one of those electric trailer movers in order to do it.

--
Public Fishing & Boating Forums
Fishing & Boating Link Index
www.YumaBassMan.com


"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
That's the number 1 cause of gaskets going, hoses cracking etc. I know in
many cases it's unavoidable. Your area has pretty harsh temp extremes

too,
doesn't it?

Warren

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Yes. Why?

--
Public Fishing & Boating Forums
Fishing & Boating Link Index
www.YumaBassMan.com


"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
You store your boat outdoors Bob?

Warren

"Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers" wrote in
message ...

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Fortunately it only took a couple minutes. The piston has very

minor
spatter marks. Looks like it has been getting a little bit of

water
for
quite some time. It was very clean, but fortunately no rust. The
gasket
just picked now to completely give up. The gasket is definitely

blown
the
metal rim was gone for over and inch, and a small piece of the

fiber
was
missing directly into one of the water ports.

Even better news. The cylinders have no discernable ridge. I

didn't
mic
it
as I don't have an inside micrometer, but doing the finger nail

test
I
could
not feel anything at all. I think this motor has very very few

hours
on
it.
Cool deal.

Sounds rebuildable to me. You, my friend were very lucky.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com











go-bassn June 8th, 2004 04:02 PM

Force 50 Problems
 
Darn, those things are a pretty penny too. My new home's garage doesn't
quite make the grade on my boat, plus I figure to be in a 21 or 22 footer
next. I'm gonna have a contacter do a bumpout so that it's 35 deep, and
switch the two 8' doors for one giant one. The thought of storing my boat
outside for an extended period makes me cringe.

Warren

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Yeah sometimes 40 degrees change from night to day. I've been trying to
figure out how I could get the boats in and out of my side yard where I
could reasonably put up a shade, but its tough. I may have to break down
and buy one of those electric trailer movers in order to do it.

--
Public Fishing & Boating Forums
Fishing & Boating Link Index
www.YumaBassMan.com


"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
That's the number 1 cause of gaskets going, hoses cracking etc. I know

in
many cases it's unavoidable. Your area has pretty harsh temp extremes

too,
doesn't it?

Warren

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Yes. Why?

--
Public Fishing & Boating Forums
Fishing & Boating Link Index
www.YumaBassMan.com


"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
You store your boat outdoors Bob?

Warren

"Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers" wrote

in
message ...

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Fortunately it only took a couple minutes. The piston has very

minor
spatter marks. Looks like it has been getting a little bit of

water
for
quite some time. It was very clean, but fortunately no rust.

The
gasket
just picked now to completely give up. The gasket is definitely

blown
the
metal rim was gone for over and inch, and a small piece of the

fiber
was
missing directly into one of the water ports.

Even better news. The cylinders have no discernable ridge. I

didn't
mic
it
as I don't have an inside micrometer, but doing the finger nail

test
I
could
not feel anything at all. I think this motor has very very few

hours
on
it.
Cool deal.

Sounds rebuildable to me. You, my friend were very lucky.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com













Charles Summers June 8th, 2004 05:07 PM

Force 50 Problems
 
Just for the record... if you store your boat inside a heated and cooled
garage, isn't the temperature difference more extreme when you pull the boat
outside? Seem like if the boat is stored outside, then it will adapt easier
to the temperature changes over a period of time, instead of an abrupt
change all at once. Don't ya think?


"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
That's the number 1 cause of gaskets going, hoses cracking etc. I know in
many cases it's unavoidable. Your area has pretty harsh temp extremes

too,
doesn't it?

Warren

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Yes. Why?

--
Public Fishing & Boating Forums
Fishing & Boating Link Index
www.YumaBassMan.com


"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
You store your boat outdoors Bob?

Warren

"Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers" wrote in
message ...

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Fortunately it only took a couple minutes. The piston has very

minor
spatter marks. Looks like it has been getting a little bit of

water
for
quite some time. It was very clean, but fortunately no rust. The
gasket
just picked now to completely give up. The gasket is definitely

blown
the
metal rim was gone for over and inch, and a small piece of the

fiber
was
missing directly into one of the water ports.

Even better news. The cylinders have no discernable ridge. I

didn't
mic
it
as I don't have an inside micrometer, but doing the finger nail

test
I
could
not feel anything at all. I think this motor has very very few

hours
on
it.
Cool deal.

Sounds rebuildable to me. You, my friend were very lucky.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com











Bob La Londe June 8th, 2004 07:23 PM

Force 50 Problems
 
My garage opens out too close to the street. No way I could get a permit to
extend the garage.

--
The Security Consultant
http://www.diycomponents.com
Bob La Londe - Owner
849 S Ave C
Yuma, Az 85364

(928)782-9765 ofc
(928)782-7873 fax


"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
Darn, those things are a pretty penny too. My new home's garage doesn't
quite make the grade on my boat, plus I figure to be in a 21 or 22 footer
next. I'm gonna have a contacter do a bumpout so that it's 35 deep, and
switch the two 8' doors for one giant one. The thought of storing my boat
outside for an extended period makes me cringe.

Warren

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Yeah sometimes 40 degrees change from night to day. I've been trying to
figure out how I could get the boats in and out of my side yard where I
could reasonably put up a shade, but its tough. I may have to break

down
and buy one of those electric trailer movers in order to do it.

--
Public Fishing & Boating Forums
Fishing & Boating Link Index
www.YumaBassMan.com


"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
That's the number 1 cause of gaskets going, hoses cracking etc. I

know
in
many cases it's unavoidable. Your area has pretty harsh temp extremes

too,
doesn't it?

Warren

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Yes. Why?

--
Public Fishing & Boating Forums
Fishing & Boating Link Index
www.YumaBassMan.com


"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
You store your boat outdoors Bob?

Warren

"Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers" wrote

in
message ...

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Fortunately it only took a couple minutes. The piston has

very
minor
spatter marks. Looks like it has been getting a little bit of

water
for
quite some time. It was very clean, but fortunately no rust.

The
gasket
just picked now to completely give up. The gasket is

definitely
blown
the
metal rim was gone for over and inch, and a small piece of the

fiber
was
missing directly into one of the water ports.

Even better news. The cylinders have no discernable ridge. I
didn't
mic
it
as I don't have an inside micrometer, but doing the finger

nail
test
I
could
not feel anything at all. I think this motor has very very

few
hours
on
it.
Cool deal.

Sounds rebuildable to me. You, my friend were very lucky.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com















Steve & Chris Clark June 8th, 2004 11:14 PM

Force 50 Problems
 
In your scenario Charles, would a boat cover be used or one of those
car/boat port thingies with the fabric roof and sides? Condensation happens
almost every night but not in a garage. Carpet and plywood interfaces is
what would concern me and dry rot. Gasoline, gasoline tanks, instruments,
electrical connections plastic/lexan windshields, red paint jobs, gelcoats,
rubbers, gaslines, (ozone damage) would benefit greatly when stored indoors.
--
Stony

"Charles Summers" wrote in message
...
Just for the record... if you store your boat inside a heated and cooled
garage, isn't the temperature difference more extreme when you pull the

boat
outside? Seem like if the boat is stored outside, then it will adapt

easier
to the temperature changes over a period of time, instead of an abrupt
change all at once. Don't ya think?


"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
That's the number 1 cause of gaskets going, hoses cracking etc. I know

in
many cases it's unavoidable. Your area has pretty harsh temp extremes

too,
doesn't it?

Warren

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Yes. Why?

--
Public Fishing & Boating Forums
Fishing & Boating Link Index
www.YumaBassMan.com


"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
You store your boat outdoors Bob?

Warren

"Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers" wrote

in
message ...

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Fortunately it only took a couple minutes. The piston has very

minor
spatter marks. Looks like it has been getting a little bit of

water
for
quite some time. It was very clean, but fortunately no rust.

The
gasket
just picked now to completely give up. The gasket is definitely

blown
the
metal rim was gone for over and inch, and a small piece of the

fiber
was
missing directly into one of the water ports.

Even better news. The cylinders have no discernable ridge. I

didn't
mic
it
as I don't have an inside micrometer, but doing the finger nail

test
I
could
not feel anything at all. I think this motor has very very few

hours
on
it.
Cool deal.

Sounds rebuildable to me. You, my friend were very lucky.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com












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Charles B. Summers June 8th, 2004 11:29 PM

Force 50 Problems
 
Good point Steve, or Chris! I have a cover that I usually remember to put on
after the boat has dried, but hadn't thought about condensation.

--
Charles Summers
Secret Weapon Lures
http://www.secretweaponlures.com
"Steve & Chris Clark" wrote in message
...
In your scenario Charles, would a boat cover be used or one of those
car/boat port thingies with the fabric roof and sides? Condensation

happens
almost every night but not in a garage. Carpet and plywood interfaces is
what would concern me and dry rot. Gasoline, gasoline tanks, instruments,
electrical connections plastic/lexan windshields, red paint jobs,

gelcoats,
rubbers, gaslines, (ozone damage) would benefit greatly when stored

indoors.
--
Stony

"Charles Summers" wrote in message
...
Just for the record... if you store your boat inside a heated and cooled
garage, isn't the temperature difference more extreme when you pull the

boat
outside? Seem like if the boat is stored outside, then it will adapt

easier
to the temperature changes over a period of time, instead of an abrupt
change all at once. Don't ya think?


"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
That's the number 1 cause of gaskets going, hoses cracking etc. I

know
in
many cases it's unavoidable. Your area has pretty harsh temp extremes

too,
doesn't it?

Warren

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Yes. Why?

--
Public Fishing & Boating Forums
Fishing & Boating Link Index
www.YumaBassMan.com


"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
You store your boat outdoors Bob?

Warren

"Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers" wrote

in
message ...

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Fortunately it only took a couple minutes. The piston has

very
minor
spatter marks. Looks like it has been getting a little bit of

water
for
quite some time. It was very clean, but fortunately no rust.

The
gasket
just picked now to completely give up. The gasket is

definitely
blown
the
metal rim was gone for over and inch, and a small piece of the

fiber
was
missing directly into one of the water ports.

Even better news. The cylinders have no discernable ridge. I
didn't
mic
it
as I don't have an inside micrometer, but doing the finger

nail
test
I
could
not feel anything at all. I think this motor has very very

few
hours
on
it.
Cool deal.

Sounds rebuildable to me. You, my friend were very lucky.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com












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Steve & Chris Clark June 9th, 2004 12:26 AM

Force 50 Problems
 
Jeez Charles! I hadn't noticed that "Steve and Chris" thing until my old
politically corrected brain looked into why you would have said "or
Chris"......I ain't that modern!!! Damn near fifty years old yu know!
LOLOL! ;-) Thanks for the laugh though.
--
Stony

"Charles B. Summers" cbsummers@(bellsouth)(dot)(net) wrote in message
...
Good point Steve, or Chris! I have a cover that I usually remember to put

on
after the boat has dried, but hadn't thought about condensation.

--
Charles Summers
Secret Weapon Lures
http://www.secretweaponlures.com
"Steve & Chris Clark" wrote in message
...
In your scenario Charles, would a boat cover be used or one of those
car/boat port thingies with the fabric roof and sides? Condensation

happens
almost every night but not in a garage. Carpet and plywood interfaces is
what would concern me and dry rot. Gasoline, gasoline tanks,

instruments,
electrical connections plastic/lexan windshields, red paint jobs,

gelcoats,
rubbers, gaslines, (ozone damage) would benefit greatly when stored

indoors.
--
Stony

"Charles Summers" wrote in message
...
Just for the record... if you store your boat inside a heated and

cooled
garage, isn't the temperature difference more extreme when you pull

the
boat
outside? Seem like if the boat is stored outside, then it will adapt

easier
to the temperature changes over a period of time, instead of an abrupt
change all at once. Don't ya think?


"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
That's the number 1 cause of gaskets going, hoses cracking etc. I

know
in
many cases it's unavoidable. Your area has pretty harsh temp

extremes
too,
doesn't it?

Warren

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Yes. Why?

--
Public Fishing & Boating Forums
Fishing & Boating Link Index
www.YumaBassMan.com


"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
You store your boat outdoors Bob?

Warren

"Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers"

wrote
in
message ...

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Fortunately it only took a couple minutes. The piston has

very
minor
spatter marks. Looks like it has been getting a little bit

of
water
for
quite some time. It was very clean, but fortunately no

rust.
The
gasket
just picked now to completely give up. The gasket is

definitely
blown
the
metal rim was gone for over and inch, and a small piece of

the
fiber
was
missing directly into one of the water ports.

Even better news. The cylinders have no discernable ridge.

I
didn't
mic
it
as I don't have an inside micrometer, but doing the finger

nail
test
I
could
not feel anything at all. I think this motor has very very

few
hours
on
it.
Cool deal.

Sounds rebuildable to me. You, my friend were very lucky.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com












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Charles B. Summers June 9th, 2004 01:02 AM

Force 50 Problems
 
Uhh....I don't get it. How bout I just call you Stoney?

--
Charles Summers
Secret Weapon Lures
http://www.secretweaponlures.com
"Steve & Chris Clark" wrote in message
...
Jeez Charles! I hadn't noticed that "Steve and Chris" thing until my old
politically corrected brain looked into why you would have said "or
Chris"......I ain't that modern!!! Damn near fifty years old yu know!
LOLOL! ;-) Thanks for the laugh though.
--
Stony

"Charles B. Summers" cbsummers@(bellsouth)(dot)(net) wrote in message
...
Good point Steve, or Chris! I have a cover that I usually remember to

put
on
after the boat has dried, but hadn't thought about condensation.

--
Charles Summers
Secret Weapon Lures
http://www.secretweaponlures.com
"Steve & Chris Clark" wrote in message
...
In your scenario Charles, would a boat cover be used or one of those
car/boat port thingies with the fabric roof and sides? Condensation

happens
almost every night but not in a garage. Carpet and plywood interfaces

is
what would concern me and dry rot. Gasoline, gasoline tanks,

instruments,
electrical connections plastic/lexan windshields, red paint jobs,

gelcoats,
rubbers, gaslines, (ozone damage) would benefit greatly when stored

indoors.
--
Stony

"Charles Summers" wrote in message
...
Just for the record... if you store your boat inside a heated and

cooled
garage, isn't the temperature difference more extreme when you pull

the
boat
outside? Seem like if the boat is stored outside, then it will adapt
easier
to the temperature changes over a period of time, instead of an

abrupt
change all at once. Don't ya think?


"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
That's the number 1 cause of gaskets going, hoses cracking etc. I

know
in
many cases it's unavoidable. Your area has pretty harsh temp

extremes
too,
doesn't it?

Warren

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Yes. Why?

--
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Fishing & Boating Link Index
www.YumaBassMan.com


"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
You store your boat outdoors Bob?

Warren

"Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers"

wrote
in
message ...

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Fortunately it only took a couple minutes. The piston has

very
minor
spatter marks. Looks like it has been getting a little

bit
of
water
for
quite some time. It was very clean, but fortunately no

rust.
The
gasket
just picked now to completely give up. The gasket is

definitely
blown
the
metal rim was gone for over and inch, and a small piece of

the
fiber
was
missing directly into one of the water ports.

Even better news. The cylinders have no discernable

ridge.
I
didn't
mic
it
as I don't have an inside micrometer, but doing the finger

nail
test
I
could
not feel anything at all. I think this motor has very

very
few
hours
on
it.
Cool deal.

Sounds rebuildable to me. You, my friend were very lucky.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com












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Steve & Chris Clark June 9th, 2004 01:22 AM

Force 50 Problems
 
Stony would be just fine! Here I thought you were being humorous with the
like gender stuff :-/)
--

"Charles B. Summers" cbsummers@(bellsouth)(dot)(net) wrote in message
...
Uhh....I don't get it. How bout I just call you Stoney?

--
Charles Summers
Secret Weapon Lures
http://www.secretweaponlures.com
"Steve & Chris Clark" wrote in message
...
Jeez Charles! I hadn't noticed that "Steve and Chris" thing until my

old
politically corrected brain looked into why you would have said "or
Chris"......I ain't that modern!!! Damn near fifty years old yu know!
LOLOL! ;-) Thanks for the laugh though.
--
Stony

"Charles B. Summers" cbsummers@(bellsouth)(dot)(net) wrote in message
...
Good point Steve, or Chris! I have a cover that I usually remember to

put
on
after the boat has dried, but hadn't thought about condensation.

--
Charles Summers
Secret Weapon Lures
http://www.secretweaponlures.com
"Steve & Chris Clark" wrote in

message
...
In your scenario Charles, would a boat cover be used or one of those
car/boat port thingies with the fabric roof and sides? Condensation
happens
almost every night but not in a garage. Carpet and plywood

interfaces
is
what would concern me and dry rot. Gasoline, gasoline tanks,

instruments,
electrical connections plastic/lexan windshields, red paint jobs,
gelcoats,
rubbers, gaslines, (ozone damage) would benefit greatly when stored
indoors.
--
Stony

"Charles Summers" wrote in message
...
Just for the record... if you store your boat inside a heated and

cooled
garage, isn't the temperature difference more extreme when you

pull
the
boat
outside? Seem like if the boat is stored outside, then it will

adapt
easier
to the temperature changes over a period of time, instead of an

abrupt
change all at once. Don't ya think?


"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
That's the number 1 cause of gaskets going, hoses cracking etc.

I
know
in
many cases it's unavoidable. Your area has pretty harsh temp

extremes
too,
doesn't it?

Warren

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Yes. Why?

--
Public Fishing & Boating Forums
Fishing & Boating Link Index
www.YumaBassMan.com


"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
You store your boat outdoors Bob?

Warren

"Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers"

wrote
in
message ...

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Fortunately it only took a couple minutes. The piston

has
very
minor
spatter marks. Looks like it has been getting a little

bit
of
water
for
quite some time. It was very clean, but fortunately no

rust.
The
gasket
just picked now to completely give up. The gasket is
definitely
blown
the
metal rim was gone for over and inch, and a small piece

of
the
fiber
was
missing directly into one of the water ports.

Even better news. The cylinders have no discernable

ridge.
I
didn't
mic
it
as I don't have an inside micrometer, but doing the

finger
nail
test
I
could
not feel anything at all. I think this motor has very

very
few
hours
on
it.
Cool deal.

Sounds rebuildable to me. You, my friend were very lucky.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com












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Bob La Londe June 27th, 2004 12:29 AM

Force 50 Problems
 
Unless you are using it everyday te temperature changes periodically rather
than every day would be much less damaging.



--
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Fishing & Boating Link Index
www.YumaBassMan.com


"Charles Summers" wrote in message
...
Just for the record... if you store your boat inside a heated and cooled
garage, isn't the temperature difference more extreme when you pull the

boat
outside? Seem like if the boat is stored outside, then it will adapt

easier
to the temperature changes over a period of time, instead of an abrupt
change all at once. Don't ya think?


"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
That's the number 1 cause of gaskets going, hoses cracking etc. I know

in
many cases it's unavoidable. Your area has pretty harsh temp extremes

too,
doesn't it?

Warren

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Yes. Why?

--
Public Fishing & Boating Forums
Fishing & Boating Link Index
www.YumaBassMan.com


"go-bassn" wrote in message
...
You store your boat outdoors Bob?

Warren

"Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers" wrote

in
message ...

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
...
Fortunately it only took a couple minutes. The piston has very

minor
spatter marks. Looks like it has been getting a little bit of

water
for
quite some time. It was very clean, but fortunately no rust.

The
gasket
just picked now to completely give up. The gasket is definitely

blown
the
metal rim was gone for over and inch, and a small piece of the

fiber
was
missing directly into one of the water ports.

Even better news. The cylinders have no discernable ridge. I

didn't
mic
it
as I don't have an inside micrometer, but doing the finger nail

test
I
could
not feel anything at all. I think this motor has very very few

hours
on
it.
Cool deal.

Sounds rebuildable to me. You, my friend were very lucky.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com














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