Didymo
 

Long time lurker surfaces to ask a question.

Any one familiar with Didymo?

There are several tailwaters in the Southeast where I fish that have been
invaded and there does not seem to be much concern about it.

I've googled it and gotten the basic info which is this is an invasive algae
that threatens a lot of insect life in trout water.

Has there been discussion in this group that I have missed?

Thanks,

Patrick

Didymo
 

"PRM" wrote in message
. ..
Long time lurker surfaces to ask a question.

Any one familiar with Didymo?

There are several tailwaters in the Southeast where I fish that have been
invaded and there does not seem to be much concern about it.

I've googled it and gotten the basic info which is this is an invasive
algae that threatens a lot of insect life in trout water.

Has there been discussion in this group that I have missed?

Never heard of it. To the best of my recollection there's been no previous
mention of it here. How's about you give us a summary?

Wolfgang

Didymo
 

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

"PRM" wrote in message
. ..
Long time lurker surfaces to ask a question.

Any one familiar with Didymo?

There are several tailwaters in the Southeast where I fish that have been
invaded and there does not seem to be much concern about it.

I've googled it and gotten the basic info which is this is an invasive
algae that threatens a lot of insect life in trout water.

Has there been discussion in this group that I have missed?

Never heard of it. To the best of my recollection there's been no
previous mention of it here. How's about you give us a summary?

Wolfgang

It's an invasive algae that has done a lot of damage to trout water in New
Zealand. It is spreadly rapidly in the US, although so far it seems
confined to tailwater types of streams.

Fisherman are spreading this algae. The suspected tranmsission is in the
felt of our wading boots.

Here are a couple of web sites you can look at for info.

http://www.epa.gov/Region8/water/events.html

http://www.fly-fishing-guides-new-ze....nz/didymo.htm

The folks in New Zealand seem to be taking this the most seriously. As a
fisherman in the south who depends on tailwaters for a lot of trout fishing
this is a serious wake up call.

There has been one river already very badly infected, but I can't find the
article on it. I THINK it was the Rapid River, in SD. A self sustaining
brown trout population was wiped out.

Something to keep you eye on at least. At the very least find out to
recognize this threat and how to clean your equipment if you come into
contact with it. I am surprised that there is not more info available.

Didymo
 

"PRM" wrote in message
.. .


"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

"PRM" wrote in message
. ..
Long time lurker surfaces to ask a question.

Any one familiar with Didymo?

There are several tailwaters in the Southeast where I fish that have
been invaded and there does not seem to be much concern about it.

I've googled it and gotten the basic info which is this is an invasive
algae that threatens a lot of insect life in trout water.

Has there been discussion in this group that I have missed?

Never heard of it. To the best of my recollection there's been no
previous mention of it here. How's about you give us a summary?

Wolfgang

It's an invasive algae that has done a lot of damage to trout water in New
Zealand. It is spreadly rapidly in the US, although so far it seems
confined to tailwater types of streams.

Fisherman are spreading this algae. The suspected tranmsission is in the
felt of our wading boots.

Here are a couple of web sites you can look at for info.

http://www.epa.gov/Region8/water/events.html

http://www.fly-fishing-guides-new-ze....nz/didymo.htm

The folks in New Zealand seem to be taking this the most seriously. As a
fisherman in the south who depends on tailwaters for a lot of trout
fishing this is a serious wake up call.

There has been one river already very badly infected, but I can't find the
article on it. I THINK it was the Rapid River, in SD. A self sustaining
brown trout population was wiped out.

Something to keep you eye on at least. At the very least find out to
recognize this threat and how to clean your equipment if you come into
contact with it. I am surprised that there is not more info available.

Thanks. I did a brief Google check and haven't found any evidence of its
spread into the upper Great Lakes region yet.

Wolfgang

Didymo
 

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

"PRM" wrote in message
.. .


"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

"PRM" wrote in message
. ..
Long time lurker surfaces to ask a question.

Any one familiar with Didymo?

There are several tailwaters in the Southeast where I fish that have
been invaded and there does not seem to be much concern about it.

I've googled it and gotten the basic info which is this is an invasive
algae that threatens a lot of insect life in trout water.

Has there been discussion in this group that I have missed?

Never heard of it. To the best of my recollection there's been no
previous mention of it here. How's about you give us a summary?

Wolfgang

It's an invasive algae that has done a lot of damage to trout water in
New Zealand. It is spreadly rapidly in the US, although so far it seems
confined to tailwater types of streams.

Fisherman are spreading this algae. The suspected tranmsission is in the
felt of our wading boots.

Here are a couple of web sites you can look at for info.

http://www.epa.gov/Region8/water/events.html

http://www.fly-fishing-guides-new-ze....nz/didymo.htm

The folks in New Zealand seem to be taking this the most seriously. As a
fisherman in the south who depends on tailwaters for a lot of trout
fishing this is a serious wake up call.

There has been one river already very badly infected, but I can't find
the article on it. I THINK it was the Rapid River, in SD. A self
sustaining brown trout population was wiped out.

Something to keep you eye on at least. At the very least find out to
recognize this threat and how to clean your equipment if you come into
contact with it. I am surprised that there is not more info available.

Thanks. I did a brief Google check and haven't found any evidence of its
spread into the upper Great Lakes region yet.

Wolfgang

I have to say that it is somewhat amazing to me that you can say "George
Bush" or "Global Warming" around here and start a conversation that goes on
for a while. The discussion may lack rationality and even basic
intelligence, but at least people care.

Start a thread on an emerging threat to our sport and only one person cares
enough to even look it up and their respnse is NIMBY. (No offense Wolfgang,
it's the same response I get whenever I tell anyone about it, even at rivers
that are affected)

Why do we get wound up about yo yo politicos and not the sport this group
supposedly cares about? BTW, not really expecting an answer.

Patrick

Didymo
 

PRM wrote:

Why do we get wound up about yo yo politicos and not the sport this group
supposedly cares about? BTW, not really expecting an answer.

I suspect it's because we can't vote on Didymo. :-)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Didymo
 

"rw" wrote in message
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PRM wrote:

Why do we get wound up about yo yo politicos and not the sport this group
supposedly cares about? BTW, not really expecting an answer.

I suspect it's because we can't vote on Didymo. :-)

--
Yeah, but at least someone could accuse Didymo of being a Republican, or
even a liberal. Maybe a little conspriracy theory would help.

That's it!! Karl Rove has introduced Didymo into the rivers of states that
went blue in 2004 as a payback!!! :)

Didymo
 

I have to say that it is somewhat amazing to me that you can say "George
Bush" or "Global Warming" around here and start a conversation that goes on
for a while. The discussion may lack rationality and even basic
intelligence, but at least people care.

Start a thread on an emerging threat to our sport and only one person
cares enough to even look it up and their respnse is NIMBY. (No offense
Wolfgang, it's the same response I get whenever I tell anyone about it,
even at rivers that are affected)

Why do we get wound up about yo yo politicos and not the sport this group
supposedly cares about? BTW, not really expecting an answer.

Patrick

For one thing I have never heard about it. Second, I haven't a clue as to
who you are, but I can almost guarantee that you will get some action, since
you have approached the issue in the usual ROFF manner--Aggravation!

Others who may know or want to know more are likely to respond to you query.

I'll contact the NC Wildlife Commission about it. Now what exactly does the
acronym DIDYMO stand for, or is that the name of the algae?

Op

Didymo
 

"Mr. Opus McDopus" wrote in message
...
I have to say that it is somewhat amazing to me that you can say "George
Bush" or "Global Warming" around here and start a conversation that goes
on for a while. The discussion may lack rationality and even basic
intelligence, but at least people care.

Start a thread on an emerging threat to our sport and only one person
cares enough to even look it up and their respnse is NIMBY. (No offense
Wolfgang, it's the same response I get whenever I tell anyone about it,
even at rivers that are affected)

Why do we get wound up about yo yo politicos and not the sport this group
supposedly cares about? BTW, not really expecting an answer.

Patrick

For one thing I have never heard about it. Second, I haven't a clue as to
who you are, but I can almost guarantee that you will get some action,
since you have approached the issue in the usual ROFF manner--Aggravation!

Others who may know or want to know more are likely to respond to you
query.

I'll contact the NC Wildlife Commission about it. Now what exactly does
the acronym DIDYMO stand for, or is that the name of the algae?

Op
Op:

I am a long time lurker living in NC. At least I've lurked enough to have
some sort of sense for the players here.

NC Wildlife is clueless about this. Check this out instead
http://www.fedflyfishers.org/conDidymo.php

Our NC waters are what I am worried about. This stuff is in the South
Holston, and the Watauga and those guides work the Smoky Mountain streams,
the
Davidson, and the Wilson Creek area as well. Didymo has not spread beyond
the tail race waters, yet............. If the people fishing the tailwaters
don't take this seriously and spread it into our smaller
waters..............well you live here and you know the fragile state of
things as they are.

I fish the Smith River in VA regularly and I keep a separate pair of boots
for NC fishing.

I'm only being aggravating as a way of getting you guys riled up. After
that, I'll go back to lurking!!

See ya,

Patrick

Didymo
 

PRM typed:
snip
I'm only being aggravating as a way of getting you guys riled up. After
that, I'll go back to lurking!!

Hellfire - all you had to do was misspell a word. . . or top post.
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

Didymo
 

Well, actually I wanted to rile you up to do something other than yell at
each other...............

Top posted for your entertaynment!!

"Tim J." wrote in message
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PRM typed:
snip
I'm only being aggravating as a way of getting you guys riled up. After
that, I'll go back to lurking!!

Hellfire - all you had to do was misspell a word. . . or top post.
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

Didymo
 

PRM wrote:


I have to say that it is somewhat amazing to me that you can say "George
Bush" or "Global Warming" around here and start a conversation that goes on
for a while. The discussion may lack rationality and even basic
intelligence, but at least people care.

Start a thread on an emerging threat to our sport and only one person cares
enough to even look it up and their respnse is NIMBY. (No offense Wolfgang,
it's the same response I get whenever I tell anyone about it, even at rivers
that are affected)

Why do we get wound up about yo yo politicos and not the sport this group
supposedly cares about?

NIMBY?

Hm.......

I've spent most of the past half century living in close proximity to
Lake Michigan, which has been subjected to a steady succession of
invasive exotic species that have caused incalculable damage. The
first thing I do on hearing of a new one is check to see whether or not
I will have to deal with it personally. That was all I had time for
earlier today. In fact, I haven't finished checking that out. Other
aspects of the issue will have to wait their turn

Aside from that, I will, for now, confine myself to pointing out that a
civil response to a question or observation is about as good as one has
any reason to expect in this place. Unless you've got an agenda that
didn't come through in your first or second messages, you'd do well to
keep that in mind.

BTW, not really expecting an answer.

I suspect that your expectations, or lack thereof, are fated to be a
matter of rapidly diminishing interest around here as, by your own
admission, they are elsewhere.

Wolfgang

Didymo
 

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
oups.com...

PRM wrote:


I have to say that it is somewhat amazing to me that you can say "George
Bush" or "Global Warming" around here and start a conversation that goes
on
for a while. The discussion may lack rationality and even basic
intelligence, but at least people care.

Start a thread on an emerging threat to our sport and only one person
cares
enough to even look it up and their respnse is NIMBY. (No offense
Wolfgang,
it's the same response I get whenever I tell anyone about it, even at
rivers
that are affected)

Why do we get wound up about yo yo politicos and not the sport this group
supposedly cares about?

NIMBY?

Hm.......

I've spent most of the past half century living in close proximity to
Lake Michigan, which has been subjected to a steady succession of
invasive exotic species that have caused incalculable damage. The
first thing I do on hearing of a new one is check to see whether or not
I will have to deal with it personally. That was all I had time for
earlier today. In fact, I haven't finished checking that out. Other
aspects of the issue will have to wait their turn

Aside from that, I will, for now, confine myself to pointing out that a
civil response to a question or observation is about as good as one has
any reason to expect in this place. Unless you've got an agenda that
didn't come through in your first or second messages, you'd do well to
keep that in mind.

BTW, not really expecting an answer.

I suspect that your expectations, or lack thereof, are fated to be a
matter of rapidly diminishing interest around here as, by your own
admission, they are elsewhere.

Wolfgang

I had my phone number de-listed when I made that comment, like I said, I
have lurked here for a while!! Your response was civil and my reaction to
it was not meant to cause offense.

I also know that you are one of the serious contributors to this group and
that you will check this out. When you do, we'll all .be just a little bit
better off. I think that this is a situation that this group may be able to
do something about, at least one person at a time.

Didymo
 

That's it!! Karl Rove has introduced Didymo into the rivers of states that
went blue in 2004 as a payback!!! :)

And he just arrived in Omaha with our Dem senator on the loose. We're
DOOMED!!!!
Frank Reid

Didymo
 

"terry mcdaid" wrote in message
...

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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I suspect that your expectations, or lack thereof, are fated to be a
matter of rapidly diminishing interest around here as, by your own
admission, they are elsewhere.

Wolfgang

I had my phone number de-listed when I made that comment, like I said, I
have lurked here for a while!! Your response was civil and my reaction to
it was not meant to cause offense.

I also know that you are one of the serious contributors to this group and
that you will check this out. When you do, we'll all .be just a little
bit better off. I think that this is a situation that this group may be
able to do something about, at least one person at a time.



Yeah, I know about Didymo, and I agree wholeheartedly that that its a very
serious looming threat. Its the closest thing to river snot you can imagine,
and it clogs up the waterways of New Zealand so fast that it would make your
head spin. It starts as little spots on rocks and the substrate, but grows
into these large, slimy mats that look like wet sewerage that cover
everything. Chokes out the bugs that feed the fish, blocks out boats and
water access...pretty much destroys a watershed beyond you imagination, and
does it very quickly. The fish don't die off, but they are seriously
impacted, and fishing becomes pretty much a joke. Your retrieves are all
gummed up with this slimy, stringy, gooey mess. And it spreads like
wildfire...fishermen who have waded in a stream with didymo and who do not
disenfect their wading felts will spread it to a new watershed, dooming it.
Some of the best fisheries in NZ have been destroyed by it, and there is an
underlying resignation that neighboring watersheds are doomed. It may change
NZ fishing forever, and not for the best.

I agree with PRM that this is one thing that we should get edumacated about,
and keep on our radar screens. It makes milfoil look like child's play. But
yeah, at this point it is definatey a NIMBY sort of thing, but we all should
know about it so we can react quickly if word of it ever spreads to our
states. Its a damn shame what its doing to NZ.

--riverman

Didymo
 

"PRM" wrote in message
...
Op:

I am a long time lurker living in NC. At least I've lurked enough to have
some sort of sense for the players here.

NC Wildlife is clueless about this. Check this out instead
http://www.fedflyfishers.org/conDidymo.php

Our NC waters are what I am worried about. This stuff is in the South
Holston, and the Watauga and those guides work the Smoky Mountain streams,
the
Davidson, and the Wilson Creek area as well. Didymo has not spread beyond
the tail race waters, yet............. If the people fishing the
tailwaters don't take this seriously and spread it into our smaller
waters..............well you live here and you know the fragile state of
things as they are.

I fish the Smith River in VA regularly and I keep a separate pair of boots
for NC fishing.

I'm only being aggravating as a way of getting you guys riled up. After
that, I'll go back to lurking!!

See ya,

Patrick


As a part-time bottom poster, I will work my way up your post.

Where are we gonna see one another? I live in Lenoir and fish, primarily,
around Caldwell and its surrounding counties. Where are you in NC?

If ya go back to lurkin', you ain't helpin' ya cause a bit. Stick around
and contribute, in any manner you see fit. You'll find that the more you
participate, the better the chance that someone will get under your skin,
but your concerns for flyfishin' and the environment will also be taken
seriously--as long as ya don't go off the deep-end. You'll also provide an
invaluable source of information for others.

I wasn't sayin' that you were aggravating. I was saying that you had become
aggravated.

While I've not fished any tailwaters, I can't say that I won't in the
future, so I appreciate the heads-up.

I have the contact info for a couple of NC Wildlife biologists and will get
in touch with them to see what they know or may be doing to get the word
out.

I checked out the site you provided--see your already an invaluable source
of info--and I will inquire to the NCWRC. The more people that put the
issue before them, the better the chances are that they will pay attention,
I'm bein' an optimist!

Take care, and lets fish a trout stream some day!

Op --who was preparein' for his first year of bow huntin', but back surgery
is gonna get in the way of that, or so it appears :~^ (

Didymo
 

"riverman" wrote in message ...

"terry mcdaid" wrote in message
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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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Thanks, everyone, for the info, and for staying fairly objective about this
problem. I recently left my job to go back to school, aspiring to be a
fisheries biologist. Invasive species have becoma a major concern for
anglers here in west MI. It gets hard to fish when zebra muscles fray your
lines and round gobies devour the eggs and fry of game fish species. The
asian carp issue on the west shore of Lake Michigan is another great concern
here. The Muskegon river is a wonderfull tailwater to fish, and we don't
need something like Didymo ruining our river. I, for one, appreciate the
info passed here. It gives me further motivation to pursue my goal and
hopefully play a more active roll in finding solutions to these problems. I
love my river and want it to be around for awhile.

Thanks again,

Jeremy Moe

Didymo
 

"Dawn Moe" wrote in message
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Jeremy Moe


Jeremy: are you and Dawn any relation to Diddy?

--riverman

Didymo
 

Mr. Opus McDopus wrote:


While I've not fished any tailwaters, I can't say that I won't in the
future, so I appreciate the heads-up.



uh...isn't the catawba a tailwater?

Didymo
 

"jeff" wrote in message
news:mubRg.5248$rg1.1199@dukeread01...
Mr. Opus McDopus wrote:


While I've not fished any tailwaters, I can't say that I won't in the
future, so I appreciate the heads-up.


uh...isn't the catawba a tailwater?

Well excuse the hell out of me, Mr. Elephant Memory!

While I had forgotten all about those 2 trips with Wally, I don't really
consider that fishin' either, as I never caught a fish one and them damn
duck kept spoilin' our down stream fishin'.

On a lighter note. It looks as though I may have to have my back surgery
sooner than I would like to have. Doctor says permanent nerve damage is a
real possibility, and if I can't gain any hand strength back, I won't be
able to lift a dry fly much less a trout. I was hopin' to wait until the
x-mas break, so it wouldn't affect my classes, but that doesn't seem likely
now. :~^ (

No sleep Opie

Didymo
 

"Mr. Opus McDopus" wrote in message
.. .

"jeff" wrote in message
news:mubRg.5248$rg1.1199@dukeread01...
Mr. Opus McDopus wrote:


While I've not fished any tailwaters, I can't say that I won't in the
future, so I appreciate the heads-up.


uh...isn't the catawba a tailwater?

Well excuse the hell out of me, Mr. Elephant Memory!

While I had forgotten all about those 2 trips with Wally, I don't really
consider that fishin' either, as I never caught a fish one and them damn
duck kept spoilin' our down stream fishin'.

On a lighter note. It looks as though I may have to have my back surgery
sooner than I would like to have. Doctor says permanent nerve damage is a
real possibility, and if I can't gain any hand strength back, I won't be
able to lift a dry fly much less a trout. I was hopin' to wait until the
x-mas break, so it wouldn't affect my classes, but that doesn't seem
likely now. :~^ (

No sleep Opie


Sounds like meeting up to fish will have to wait. Hope all goes well for
you. There's not much worse than a bad back. Maybe by next spring you'll
be back in fishing shape!

Didymo
 

"prm" wrote in message
...

Sounds like meeting up to fish will have to wait. Hope all goes well for
you. There's not much worse than a bad back. Maybe by next spring you'll
be back in fishing shape!

Don't count me down and out just yet young man! I haven't had the surgery,
and I can still stand--it's the lying on my back pat that is killin' me.
Just got back from the doctor's office a while ago.

She prescribed me Percocet 10-325, Gabapentin 300mg, Naproxen 500mg, and
Methylprednisolone 4mg. While I may not catch a damn thing, I certainly
have fun fallin' over the rocks!

Of course, I won't be able to compete in the Tour de France, what with the
steroid regime :~^ (

Give me a holler, and let's try to fish a stream or two before winter sets
in. I work in Boone at ASU and will take time off to fish!

Mark H. Bowen
828-292-9005

Didymo
 

Mr. Opus McDopus wrote:
"jeff" wrote in message
news:mubRg.5248$rg1.1199@dukeread01...

Mr. Opus McDopus wrote:

While I've not fished any tailwaters, I can't say that I won't in the
future, so I appreciate the heads-up.


uh...isn't the catawba a tailwater?


Well excuse the hell out of me, Mr. Elephant Memory!

While I had forgotten all about those 2 trips with Wally, I don't really
consider that fishin' either, as I never caught a fish one and them damn
duck kept spoilin' our down stream fishin'.

On a lighter note. It looks as though I may have to have my back surgery
sooner than I would like to have. Doctor says permanent nerve damage is a
real possibility, and if I can't gain any hand strength back, I won't be
able to lift a dry fly much less a trout. I was hopin' to wait until the
x-mas break, so it wouldn't affect my classes, but that doesn't seem likely
now. :~^ (

No sleep Opie



good luck on the back surgery...be sure to tell your ortho to insure the
repair provides sturdiness enough to lift 200 pounds up and over a
waterfall rock face.

if it doesn't work out, i suggest you get more familiar with the
catawba. wally seems to have developed a good knowledge of it, and the
tu folks are hailing it as the next great tailwater stream for breeding
big trout...

we'll be in graham county oct 1-14 if you want to go fishing. i'm gonna
take the boat again, so we can get across the lake or even fish the lake.

jeff

Didymo
 

"jeff" wrote in message
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good luck on the back surgery...be sure to tell your ortho to insure the
repair provides sturdiness enough to lift 200 pounds up and over a
waterfall rock face.

Ortho my ass! I'm going for the best neurodoc that greenstamps can buy! I
plan on takin' him some videos of Bionic Man, just in case he doesn't
realize how important it is to be able to carry a 75 lb. pack from the GTT
to the Falls.

if it doesn't work out, i suggest you get more familiar with the catawba.
wally seems to have developed a good knowledge of it, and the tu folks are
hailing it as the next great tailwater stream for breeding big trout...

Lucky for me, sittin' is more an issue for me than hikin'. If fishin' the
Catawba is my only choice, I'll be givin' away a great deal of fyfishin'
gear.

we'll be in graham county oct 1-14 if you want to go fishing. i'm gonna
take the boat again, so we can get across the lake or even fish the lake.

Sadly, I'm in a catch-22 situation here :~^ ( I can't miss a single class
and I can't use any of my leave, until I get thu this. I plan on robbin' a
few banks between now and next Oct., so I'll take you up on the boat ride
next year, please!

Op --Percocet and Gabapentin are one hell of a stumb biscuit cocktail.--

jeff

Didymo
 

"riverman" wrote in message ...

"Dawn Moe" wrote in message
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Jeremy Moe


Jeremy: are you and Dawn any relation to Diddy?

--riverman

No relation, although my wife Dawn sometimes treats me like a fungus!

Jeremy Moe

Didymo
 

Young man.............. I love it. Don't let 'em kid you, flattery will get
you everywhere.

Talk to the doc, and then we'll start talking fishing.

Lost Cove, Wilson??

"Mr. Opus McDopus" wrote in message
...

"prm" wrote in message
...

Sounds like meeting up to fish will have to wait. Hope all goes well for
you. There's not much worse than a bad back. Maybe by next spring
you'll be back in fishing shape!

Don't count me down and out just yet young man! I haven't had the
surgery, and I can still stand--it's the lying on my back pat that is
killin' me. Just got back from the doctor's office a while ago.

She prescribed me Percocet 10-325, Gabapentin 300mg, Naproxen 500mg, and
Methylprednisolone 4mg. While I may not catch a damn thing, I certainly
have fun fallin' over the rocks!

Of course, I won't be able to compete in the Tour de France, what with the
steroid regime :~^ (

Give me a holler, and let's try to fish a stream or two before winter sets
in. I work in Boone at ASU and will take time off to fish!

Mark H. Bowen
828-292-9005

Didymo
 

On a lighter note. It looks as though I may have to have my back surgery
sooner than I would like to have. Doctor says permanent nerve damage is a
real possibility, and if I can't gain any hand strength back, I won't be
able to lift a dry fly much less a trout. I was hopin' to wait until the
x-mas break, so it wouldn't affect my classes, but that doesn't seem
likely now. :~^ (

No sleep Opie


Good luck with the surgery and recovery. And lots of luck on recovering
hand strength and function. It can be a long and frustrating process but I
hope your post-op course is smooth and speedy.

--
Stev Lenon
91Bravo '68-'69 When the dawn came up like thunder
Cu Zev
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm

Didymo
 

"slenon" wrote in message
...
Good luck with the surgery and recovery. And lots of luck on recovering
hand strength and function. It can be a long and frustrating process but
I hope your post-op course is smooth and speedy.

--
Stev Lenon

Thanks Ste :~^ ) My recovery had better be a smooth and speedy process, as
my fly fishing depends upon it!

Op

Didymo
 

Our NC waters are what I am worried about. This stuff is in the South
Holston, and the Watauga and those guides work the Smoky Mountain streams,
the
Davidson, and the Wilson Creek area as well. Didymo has not spread beyond
the tail race waters, yet............. If the people fishing the tailwaters
don't take this seriously and spread it into our smaller
waters..............well you live here and you know the fragile state of
things as they are.

I fish the Smith River in VA regularly and I keep a separate pair of boots
for NC fishing.
Have you heard anythiing about this stuff being in the Smith? If not
thanks for your extra effort and concern......and if so thanks too.
Not many people would take such care to prevent its spread without it
being suggested by their fish & game dept.
And how has the Smith been fishing?

I'm sure VADGIF knows about it though I didn't find any info on their
site but they need to know some anglers are concerned so I took the
liberty of forwarding your comments above and links you provided on to
VA fisheries people.


I'm only being aggravating as a way of getting you guys riled up. After
that, I'll go back to lurking!!
It is the best way. I only come out here once in a while for an ass
kicking.
Some folks, like myself, only read a fraction of what is on ROFF so
unless the title of the thread jumps out at me I pass it by. I only
opened this thread because I missclicked on a political thread.G
Thanks for the heads up.

Kiyu

Didymo
 

"Kiyu" wrote in message
...

Our NC waters are what I am worried about. This stuff is in the South
Holston, and the Watauga and those guides work the Smoky Mountain streams,
the
Davidson, and the Wilson Creek area as well. Didymo has not spread beyond
the tail race waters, yet............. If the people fishing the
tailwaters
don't take this seriously and spread it into our smaller
waters..............well you live here and you know the fragile state of
things as they are.

I fish the Smith River in VA regularly and I keep a separate pair of boots
for NC fishing.
Have you heard anythiing about this stuff being in the Smith? If not
thanks for your extra effort and concern......and if so thanks too.
Not many people would take such care to prevent its spread without it
being suggested by their fish & game dept.
And how has the Smith been fishing?

I'm sure VADGIF knows about it though I didn't find any info on their
site but they need to know some anglers are concerned so I took the
liberty of forwarding your comments above and links you provided on to
VA fisheries people.


I'm only being aggravating as a way of getting you guys riled up. After
that, I'll go back to lurking!!
It is the best way. I only come out here once in a while for an ass
kicking.
Some folks, like myself, only read a fraction of what is on ROFF so
unless the title of the thread jumps out at me I pass it by. I only
opened this thread because I missclicked on a political thread.G
Thanks for the heads up.

Kiyu

Oh, the didymo is definitely in the Smith. Just go and take a look. I
think there is some mention in the VAflyfish.com site, try searching for
'didymo' and you should get a couple of mentions.

I think that one of the reasons there has not been more concern is that it
really hasn't affected the fishing too much, YET. However, as it covers up
the rocks and reduces the insect population you can count on the size of the
trout going down.

I remember the Smith from the "good old days" 20 some years ago when the
Special Reg section held lots of 18" fish and you could catch 30 to 40
12-14" fish on dries in a day. Generally now, the best fish I catch is 12"
and the norm is more like 6 to 8". There are better fish in town, but I
hate fishing around shopping carts in the river as "cover".

There are some nice rainbows even farther down, but again, to me, it's the
wild browns that are of interest.

Didymo
 

Oh, the didymo is definitely in the Smith. Just go and take a look. I
think there is some mention in the VAflyfish.com site, try searching for
'didymo' and you should get a couple of mentions.
Haven't been out to VAflyfish for a while as it is a bit slow moving
but there were a few mentions of it. What is surprising is how fast it
has affected the Smith and there was also mention that it was in the
Jackson as well. The Jackson had the potential to be one of the best
tailwaters in the nation had the fisheries folks been able to manage
it but this would have ruined it anyway.

I think that one of the reasons there has not been more concern is that it
really hasn't affected the fishing too much, YET. However, as it covers up
the rocks and reduces the insect population you can count on the size of the
trout going down.

I remember the Smith from the "good old days" 20 some years ago when the
Special Reg section held lots of 18" fish and you could catch 30 to 40
12-14" fish on dries in a day. Generally now, the best fish I catch is 12"
and the norm is more like 6 to 8". There are better fish in town, but I
hate fishing around shopping carts in the river as "cover".
Do you mean the one just upstream of the refrigerator? Kinda
embarrassing and sad to see the locals still think of the river as a
dump.
I last fished the Smith in the early 90's but by then the monsters
were dying out. I heard only that they were studying the problem.

I really appreciate you posting this as it reshapes my thinking a bit.
I have made a number of trips to Stuart and Meadows of Dan this last
year looking for a house and one of the first things on the check list
was "x miles to the Smith". I can truly X that one out but there is
other fishing there, just not as accessible.

Kiyu

Didymo
 

On 27 Sep 2006 12:10:44 GMT, (Jonathan Cook) wrote:

I don't know the Smith or any of the other rivers talked
about, but "man-made" fisheries typically go through
such stages. Be they new reservoirs or new tailwaters or
some other man-made change, they usually reach a peak of
fertility and productivity after a few years(*) and then
start settling in to a more sustainable level. Of course,
all the fishermen around for the "glory days" remember them
and wonder why they can't be revived, but it's not just
fishing pressure or bad management. It's also just natural
ecological evolution.
That seems like what happened to the Smith. The Philpott Dam was
constructed in the 50's with the state record brown coming out of it
in 1979. Big fish have declined since. But you couldn't prove that by
me as I fished several times in the 80's but caught nothing of size..

Here is a link to the Jackson tailwater and its problem.
http://gorp.away.com/gorp/publishers...n/fis_vir2.htm
Things got so bad with the landowners fight I read that VAGIF at one
time said the hell with it, we're not restocking and it is now a
keeper stream. They changed that apparently as they are still trying
to sell the Jackson as a trout destination but I don't think VAGIF has
anywhere near as much enthusiasm as they used to about the place. It
is big water, had tremendous potential and some really big fish.
You are probably right about the river peaking but because of the
uncertainties of the landowner battle the management people never
could get the river to its peak. Plus because of where it is located
it is a poachers paradise. I've seen a good number of trout come out
of the river and into the backs of cars but I wanted to keep my mouth
functional so I kept it closed. There are a lot of issues facing it
besides natural ones.


All in my layman's understanding and observation. YMMV,

Jon.
(*): local conditions and weather patterns and significant
events of course play a huge role in how many years this
is, and big events -- say, floods that scour a tailwater --
could cause it to be somewhat cyclical.

PS: Those dydimo pics looked alot like the San Juan "moss".
Uh oh.


Kiyu

Didymo
 

On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:44:50 -0400, "PRM"
wrote:

Long time lurker surfaces to ask a question.

Any one familiar with Didymo?

There are several tailwaters in the Southeast where I fish that have been
invaded and there does not seem to be much concern about it.

I've googled it and gotten the basic info which is this is an invasive algae
that threatens a lot of insect life in trout water.

Has there been discussion in this group that I have missed?

Thanks,

Patrick



Patrick,

Got an email back from Paul Bugas, one of the fisheries biologists at
VADGIF in response to your info and they are aware of the issue.
They've put up posters at the Jackson, worked with TU and placed
articles in newspapers to get the word out so didymo can be contained.
He says there is no treatment for didymo to date and prevention is the
most important action that can be taken, which is exactly as you have
been doing. He referred me a little deeper into the EPA site:
http://www.epa.gov/Region8/water/mon...mosphenia.html
which doesn't contain a lot of extra info except the map which shows
the major outbreaks, most of them in the west.
It is alarming...and the stuff is spreading in the east.

Kiyu