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Any live bait fishers???
I used to use minnows for bassing all the time. Usually whatever I could
catch. I actually had a pretty good setup for minnow fishing including a 55 gallon plastic barrel for my bait. Anyway, I was watching Mark Sosin's Sal****er Journal the other evening and he had an interesting technique. His bait was dead, but I was wondering how well it might work for large shiners or or other live bait fish. He slid the hook and line in the mouth and out through one gill. Then he put the hook in the side of the fish about 1/2 to 2/3 of the way back so it layed semi flat along the side of the fish. When I used minnows for bass I just hooked them through the lips. In most good bass spots the minnow got clobbered so fast it never mattered how long the bait lasted, but I was wondering if Mark's method might work better for those guys who drift and troll big shiners for smalleys in places like Dale Hollow. Would the line through the gill damage the gill and kill the minnow quickly, or would its small diameter allow the water to flow better than a typical lip hooked minnow allowing it to stay fresh and lively longer? Hmmm..... I may have to dig out my throw net and go catch some minnows. -- Bob La Londe Fishing Arizona & The Colorado River Fishing Forums & Contests http://www.YumaBassMan.com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Any live bait fishers???
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message .. . I used to use minnows for bassing all the time. Usually whatever I could catch. I actually had a pretty good setup for minnow fishing including a 55 gallon plastic barrel for my bait. Anyway, I was watching Mark Sosin's Sal****er Journal the other evening and he had an interesting technique. His bait was dead, but I was wondering how well it might work for large shiners or or other live bait fish. He slid the hook and line in the mouth and out through one gill. Then he put the hook in the side of the fish about 1/2 to 2/3 of the way back so it layed semi flat along the side of the fish. When I used minnows for bass I just hooked them through the lips. In most good bass spots the minnow got clobbered so fast it never mattered how long the bait lasted, but I was wondering if Mark's method might work better for those guys who drift and troll big shiners for smalleys in places like Dale Hollow. Would the line through the gill damage the gill and kill the minnow quickly, or would its small diameter allow the water to flow better than a typical lip hooked minnow allowing it to stay fresh and lively longer? Hmmm..... I may have to dig out my throw net and go catch some minnows. I missed that episode, but it got me thinking that it might work well for muskies, drifting 8 - 12 inch suckers for bait. Except I'm thinking of a 12 inch sevenstrand wire leader with a 3/0 - 5/0 treble stuck in the back, just behind the dorsal fin. I could thread the leader through the gill, out the mouth and stick one treble, then tie to the main line. Hmmmm, I might have to go muskie fishing! -- Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods http://www.herefishyfishy.com |
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I can tell ya from experience Bob that it never mattered dead or alive with
minnows. When my children first started fishing we used minnows all the time. The best way to rig the minnows in my opinion was right behind the dorsal fin and fish them without a bobber, another thing I used to do was snip a small portion of the tail off. This would make the minnow go crazy in the water. If they died, we use to real them in erratically sometimes fast sometimes slow and we would always manage to catch fish. Once they started using plastics, the live bait went to the wayside. I have forgotten how much fun it was taking them out with a bucket of minnows. "Bob La Londe" wrote in message .. . I used to use minnows for bassing all the time. Usually whatever I could catch. I actually had a pretty good setup for minnow fishing including a 55 gallon plastic barrel for my bait. Anyway, I was watching Mark Sosin's Sal****er Journal the other evening and he had an interesting technique. His bait was dead, but I was wondering how well it might work for large shiners or or other live bait fish. He slid the hook and line in the mouth and out through one gill. Then he put the hook in the side of the fish about 1/2 to 2/3 of the way back so it layed semi flat along the side of the fish. When I used minnows for bass I just hooked them through the lips. In most good bass spots the minnow got clobbered so fast it never mattered how long the bait lasted, but I was wondering if Mark's method might work better for those guys who drift and troll big shiners for smalleys in places like Dale Hollow. Would the line through the gill damage the gill and kill the minnow quickly, or would its small diameter allow the water to flow better than a typical lip hooked minnow allowing it to stay fresh and lively longer? Hmmm..... I may have to dig out my throw net and go catch some minnows. -- Bob La Londe Fishing Arizona & The Colorado River Fishing Forums & Contests http://www.YumaBassMan.com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Any live bait fishers???
I use live Bream about 3 fingers in size and hook them right behind the dorsal fin so they can swim around like an injured bait fish. It is legal to use game fish for bait as long as you catch them legally.... no traps or nets, just a pole, bobber, and bait. It is easy to float a live bait around, but I am unconvinced it produces more bites. I have actually had one floating around while I fished with a plastic worm and the plastic out produced the live bait. May have just been an accident. |
Any live bait fishers???
wrote in message oups.com... I use live Bream about 3 fingers in size and hook them right behind the dorsal fin so they can swim around like an injured bait fish. It is legal to use game fish for bait as long as you catch them legally.... no traps or nets, just a pole, bobber, and bait. It is easy to float a live bait around, but I am unconvinced it produces more bites. I have actually had one floating around while I fished with a plastic worm and the plastic out produced the live bait. May have just been an accident. Here in Wisconsin, it is legal to use gamefish and panfish as livebait, but there are certain stipulations. If the fish you're using for bait is subject to a size limit, it must meet that (ie, a 15 inch walleye for muskie bait), it has to be from the same body of water you're fishing (no transporting to a different lake) and it counts toward your daily bag limit. Again, using walleyes as an example, if you started out walleye fishing, then decided to go muskie fishing, you better not have five walleyes in your livewell and one on the hook as bait because you're now one fish over the limit! -- Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods http://www.herefishyfishy.com |
Any live bait fishers???
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message .. . I used to use minnows for bassing all the time. Usually whatever I could catch. I actually had a pretty good setup for minnow fishing including a 55 gallon plastic barrel for my bait. Anyway, I was watching Mark Sosin's Sal****er Journal the other evening and he had an interesting technique. His bait was dead, but I was wondering how well it might work for large shiners or or other live bait fish. He slid the hook and line in the mouth and out through one gill. Then he put the hook in the side of the fish about 1/2 to 2/3 of the way back so it layed semi flat along the side of the fish. When I used minnows for bass I just hooked them through the lips. In most good bass spots the minnow got clobbered so fast it never mattered how long the bait lasted, but I was wondering if Mark's method might work better for those guys who drift and troll big shiners for smalleys in places like Dale Hollow. Would the line through the gill damage the gill and kill the minnow quickly, or would its small diameter allow the water to flow better than a typical lip hooked minnow allowing it to stay fresh and lively longer? Hmmm..... I may have to dig out my throw net and go catch some minnows. -- Bob La Londe Fishing Arizona & The Colorado River Fishing Forums & Contests http://www.YumaBassMan.com Hey Bob, don't do much of any true "live bait" fishing for the LM here on the middle East Coast, but I often will cast net shad for use in trolling for striped bass. It is often the only way to boat any on certain days when nothing else is working like bucktail jigs, crippl'd shad spoons, etc. I do cast net for "minners" to use for crappie fishing at the local holes though, as well as floating lights on the surface to draw up even more minnows beside the boat to act as live chum when we night fish for the tasty little critters. At the coast, is a different story. We'll use "mud minnows" for flounder and of course, live shrimp for speckled trout. Though last year, we tried some Gulp!-type artificial shrimp to good effect on the trout...So that tide is shifting. Those shrimp tails on a some small jig heads worked great. About the only real "live bait" I will use for LM bass is the rare occasion I am able to fish on smaller and private ponds. They still get a fair amount of pressure, even though they're private, and I will often at least try to find some native crawdads around the pond to use as an offer to the fish if they aren't hitting anything aritificial on that day. The trick is turning over the rocks that hold crawdads underneath and not the ones that are hiding snakes...lol. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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When fishing any live bait fish (including perch and bluegills) I hook
them either in the tail or lips, and I remove a few fins, but not to the point where I kill them. Like you said usually you don't have to go to those extremes (clipping fins), but sometimes it is the only way to get them to even consider your bait. Chris Bob La Londe wrote: I used to use minnows for bassing all the time. Usually whatever I could catch. I actually had a pretty good setup for minnow fishing including a 55 gallon plastic barrel for my bait. Anyway, I was watching Mark Sosin's Sal****er Journal the other evening and he had an interesting technique. His bait was dead, but I was wondering how well it might work for large shiners or or other live bait fish. He slid the hook and line in the mouth and out through one gill. Then he put the hook in the side of the fish about 1/2 to 2/3 of the way back so it layed semi flat along the side of the fish. When I used minnows for bass I just hooked them through the lips. In most good bass spots the minnow got clobbered so fast it never mattered how long the bait lasted, but I was wondering if Mark's method might work better for those guys who drift and troll big shiners for smalleys in places like Dale Hollow. Would the line through the gill damage the gill and kill the minnow quickly, or would its small diameter allow the water to flow better than a typical lip hooked minnow allowing it to stay fresh and lively longer? Hmmm..... I may have to dig out my throw net and go catch some minnows. |
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Chris Rennert wrote in news:451ae169$0$6145$39cecf19
@news.twtelecom.net: When fishing any live bait fish (including perch and bluegills) I hook them either in the tail or lips, I was at a TU meeting in the hatchery at Altmar NY. In the lobby, someone was giving away free kittens, and had them in a big fish tank. I can't tell you how many people passing by said they were good for pike when you hook em through the lips! -- Scott Reverse name to reply |
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Scott Seidman wrote: Chris Rennert wrote in news:451ae169$0$6145$39cecf19 @news.twtelecom.net: When fishing any live bait fish (including perch and bluegills) I hook them either in the tail or lips, I was at a TU meeting in the hatchery at Altmar NY. In the lobby, someone was giving away free kittens, and had them in a big fish tank. I can't tell you how many people passing by said they were good for pike when you hook em through the lips! |
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If a muskie takes the walleye, can you then catch another one to
replace it? Is that culling? Ronnie http://fishing.about.com Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers wrote: wrote in message oups.com... I use live Bream about 3 fingers in size and hook them right behind the dorsal fin so they can swim around like an injured bait fish. It is legal to use game fish for bait as long as you catch them legally.... no traps or nets, just a pole, bobber, and bait. It is easy to float a live bait around, but I am unconvinced it produces more bites. I have actually had one floating around while I fished with a plastic worm and the plastic out produced the live bait. May have just been an accident. Here in Wisconsin, it is legal to use gamefish and panfish as livebait, but there are certain stipulations. If the fish you're using for bait is subject to a size limit, it must meet that (ie, a 15 inch walleye for muskie bait), it has to be from the same body of water you're fishing (no transporting to a different lake) and it counts toward your daily bag limit. Again, using walleyes as an example, if you started out walleye fishing, then decided to go muskie fishing, you better not have five walleyes in your livewell and one on the hook as bait because you're now one fish over the limit! -- Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods http://www.herefishyfishy.com |
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"Ronnie" wrote in message ps.com... If a muskie takes the walleye, can you then catch another one to replace it? Is that culling? LOL, I have no idea. I suppose it would be, providing a game warden could prove you had a walleye on as bait initially. That might be a bit hard to do, although these Wisconsin wardens are pretty tricky and high tech. -- Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods http://www.herefishyfishy.com |
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I have a funny story related to live bait.
My son has been fishing with me since before he could walk. Most guys fishing on the lake we live on use plastics and when I see someone with a minnow bucket, I tell my son "Look at these f---ing poachers!". Last month, my kid was out on the dock with a few of his friends and they were fishing with minnows that someone has left on the dock. I figured, let the kids have some fun and started to fish myself using my trusted Yamamoto rig. Two hours later, I had no fish and the kids were just nailing them off the dock. I finally broke down and asked them for one minnow. Within 2 minutes, I had a 5lb "monster" that came out from under the dock and just nailed the minnow as soon as it hit the water. I must admit, it was fun catching the bass so quickly, but on the other hand there is zero skill envolved, so I'm still sticking to plastics for now. My son can't stop making fun of me after watching me finally "break down". |
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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message .. . I used to use minnows for bassing all the time. Usually whatever I could catch. I actually had a pretty good setup for minnow fishing including a 55 gallon plastic barrel for my bait. Anyway, I was watching Mark Sosin's Sal****er Journal the other evening and he had an interesting technique. His bait was dead, but I was wondering how well it might work for large shiners or or other live bait fish. He slid the hook and line in the mouth and out through one gill. Then he put the hook in the side of the fish about 1/2 to 2/3 of the way back so it layed semi flat along the side of the fish. When I used minnows for bass I just hooked them through the lips. In most good bass spots the minnow got clobbered so fast it never mattered how long the bait lasted, but I was wondering if Mark's method might work better for those guys who drift and troll big shiners for smalleys in places like Dale Hollow. Would the line through the gill damage the gill and kill the minnow quickly, or would its small diameter allow the water to flow better than a typical lip hooked minnow allowing it to stay fresh and lively longer? Hmmm..... I may have to dig out my throw net and go catch some minnows. -- Bob La Londe Fishing Arizona & The Colorado River Fishing Forums & Contests http://www.YumaBassMan.com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com I don't fish live bait for LMB and smallies, as too much hassle. I do fish live bait for salmon, halibut and striped bass and tuna and Yellow Tail. The tuna and Yellow Tail and Halibut are anchovies normally hook though the nose from bottom to top and Sardines either tail hooked or a large 'dine in the gill. Striped bass we use mudsuckers (gobies) and use a threading needle just under the skin from tail to head and the leader pulled through so the hook is at the tail. We also thread dead anchovies for mooching for salmon the same way. Fresh water the only live bait I use is worms and clams for catfish. Dealing with most live bait is too much effort for the results. |
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Bob La Londe wrote:
snip Would the line through the gill damage the gill and kill the minnow quickly, or would its small diameter allow the water to flow better than a typical lip hooked minnow allowing it to stay fresh and lively longer? Hmmm..... I may have to dig out my throw net and go catch some minnows. -- Bob La Londe Fishing Arizona & The Colorado River Fishing Forums & Contests http://www.YumaBassMan.com Seems like as long as the line was mono, it wouldn't do much damage. My first thought after reading your post was smaller diameter braid, but I bet the braid would do more damage than mono. Drifting or trolling with that setup would keep water going over the gills and the minnow pointed in the right dirrection. Probably wouldn't work for bobber fishing though. I fish (3 - 4") golden shiners for stripers in a local lake. I drift or anchor fish 20 - 40' deep and hook the minnows thru the upper lip far enough back to get a little meat on the hook. Fish them just off the bottom with a real small sliding egg sinker rig. No bobbers. Get LM and SM this way too. All released and don't minnow fish there when the stripers aren't biting. I used to use minnows in the heat of the summer to catch bass when nothing else would work. Not much any more. I'll buy minnows in a heartbeat to put a kid on fish though. phishrace |
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"Dan, danl, Redbeard uh Greybeard now" wrote in message
... On 28 Sep 2006 22:49:41 -0700, wrote: Bob La Londe wrote: snip Would the line through the gill damage the gill and kill the minnow quickly, or would its small diameter allow the water to flow better than a typical lip hooked minnow allowing it to stay fresh and lively longer? Hmmm..... I may have to dig out my throw net and go catch some minnows. -- Bob La Londe Fishing Arizona & The Colorado River Fishing Forums & Contests http://www.YumaBassMan.com Seems like as long as the line was mono, it wouldn't do much damage. My first thought after reading your post was smaller diameter braid, but I bet the braid would do more damage than mono. Drifting or trolling with that setup would keep water going over the gills and the minnow pointed in the right dirrection. Probably wouldn't work for bobber fishing though. I fish (3 - 4") golden shiners for stripers in a local lake. I drift or anchor fish 20 - 40' deep and hook the minnows thru the upper lip far enough back to get a little meat on the hook. Fish them just off the bottom with a real small sliding egg sinker rig. No bobbers. Get LM and SM this way too. All released and don't minnow fish there when the stripers aren't biting. I used to use minnows in the heat of the summer to catch bass when nothing else would work. Not much any more. I'll buy minnows in a heartbeat to put a kid on fish though. phishrace I have used minnows, crawlers and leeches for Walleye and Crappies. I was trying to catch food, not release. I have friends that use nitecrawlers for Bass. I have tried to get them to switch to plastics because they gut hook so many Bass. They fish in heavy log cover and have to horse the fish out. Their equipment leaves a lot to be desired as far as sensitivity goes so that somewhat explains the gut hooking ratio being high. Yes, I know, everyone gut hooks a fish now and then but it is usually the exception not the rule like with these guys. That is why I shy away from live bait. YMMV In heavy cover I'ld have a hard time going with live bait, but I'm sure there is a way to do it. When fishing minnows under a water balloon float I gut hook no more fish than when fishing a senko wacky style and much less than when t-rigging one. When dead sticking or split shotting minnows the gut hook percentage goes up slightly, but still less than dead sticking a t-rigged senko. I do not typically fish live bait in heavy cover, but in current it can be very effective to drift it along the edges of cover. Rarely do I wrap up a fish in those circumstance or gut hook one. Usually the minnow warns you before hand of an impending strike. I've caught bass on crawler once or stwice, but I have not fished for them with worms often enough to say. I did tend to use a bait dropper rig on a tight line which helps detect strikes quickly eleviating gut hooked fish. P.S. Small bass taste ok (under limit size most places) -- Bob La Londe Fishing Arizona & The Colorado River Fishing Forums & Contests http://www.YumaBassMan.com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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