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Ok this one kinda shocked me. Was out early fishing with Jeremy on the small
lake here in NE Pennsylvania, Now I have fished these lakes for over 7 years
now and thought I had caught every fish in them. LM bass, Catfish, toothy
critters, sunfish, bluegill, even eels.

Well as we were fishing Jeremy has his spinnerbait just get slammed by a
fish. It leaps, looks like a good fish then manages to put a decent bend in
his rod till he gets it into the boat. As he;s lifting it over the side, I
saw something that I never saw before in these waters. A smallmouth bass.
Beautiful fish in the 2-2 1/2 pound range. And living up to everybit of the
name bronzeback. I was stunned. We both kinda looked at each other with that
"what the f%^&" look.


So now I have a bunch of questions.

1) Whats the chances that there are more in this lake and that me Dave and a
variety of other anglers have never caught any? ( Me thinks not possible)

2) What are the chances that this SM was the only one released in this lake
by someone?

3) Do smallmouth bass and Lm bass cross breed?

Hell and I have to move now

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On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:24:45 -0400, "Alwaysfishking"
wrote:

Ok this one kinda shocked me. Was out early fishing with Jeremy on the small
lake here in NE Pennsylvania, Now I have fished these lakes for over 7 years
now and thought I had caught every fish in them. LM bass, Catfish, toothy
critters, sunfish, bluegill, even eels.

Well as we were fishing Jeremy has his spinnerbait just get slammed by a
fish. It leaps, looks like a good fish then manages to put a decent bend in
his rod till he gets it into the boat. As he;s lifting it over the side, I
saw something that I never saw before in these waters. A smallmouth bass.
Beautiful fish in the 2-2 1/2 pound range. And living up to everybit of the
name bronzeback. I was stunned. We both kinda looked at each other with that
"what the f%^&" look.


So now I have a bunch of questions.

1) Whats the chances that there are more in this lake and that me Dave and a
variety of other anglers have never caught any? ( Me thinks not possible)

2) What are the chances that this SM was the only one released in this lake
by someone?

3) Do smallmouth bass and Lm bass cross breed?

Hell and I have to move now


There is a lake near Mountain in Northern WI I have fished at least 3
or 4 dozen times and always caught LM. Then one day casting to the
shoreline like I always did I started catching SM. About every third
cast was a Smallie!

I have fished another lake near Merrill for two years and never pulled
a SM but caught many, many LM. Friends caught SM on a regular basis.

It could have been dumped or you just found one of a few that live
there.

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Here in western NY, I have seen smallies come out of three "largemouth"
ponds. Three out of one of those ponds over seven years. But it was clear
that these were anomalies and that someone probably tossed them in there.

I'm no expert on fisheries, but I fish lakes with smallies and hardly ever
find them in the largemouth habital that I fish. On the other hand, I'd
guess that this is a good time of year for finding smallies where you fish
for LM.


"Alwaysfishking" wrote in message
...
Ok this one kinda shocked me. Was out early fishing with Jeremy on the
small lake here in NE Pennsylvania, Now I have fished these lakes for over
7 years now and thought I had caught every fish in them. LM bass, Catfish,
toothy critters, sunfish, bluegill, even eels.

Well as we were fishing Jeremy has his spinnerbait just get slammed by a
fish. It leaps, looks like a good fish then manages to put a decent bend
in his rod till he gets it into the boat. As he;s lifting it over the
side, I saw something that I never saw before in these waters. A
smallmouth bass. Beautiful fish in the 2-2 1/2 pound range. And living up
to everybit of the name bronzeback. I was stunned. We both kinda looked at
each other with that "what the f%^&" look.


So now I have a bunch of questions.

1) Whats the chances that there are more in this lake and that me Dave and
a variety of other anglers have never caught any? ( Me thinks not
possible)

2) What are the chances that this SM was the only one released in this
lake by someone?

3) Do smallmouth bass and Lm bass cross breed?

Hell and I have to move now

Amazing
 

"Alwaysfishking" wrote in message
...
Ok this one kinda shocked me. Was out early fishing with Jeremy on the
small lake here in NE Pennsylvania, Now I have fished these lakes for over
7 years now and thought I had caught every fish in them. LM bass, Catfish,
toothy critters, sunfish, bluegill, even eels.

Well as we were fishing Jeremy has his spinnerbait just get slammed by a
fish. It leaps, looks like a good fish then manages to put a decent bend
in his rod till he gets it into the boat. As he;s lifting it over the
side, I saw something that I never saw before in these waters. A
smallmouth bass. Beautiful fish in the 2-2 1/2 pound range. And living up
to everybit of the name bronzeback. I was stunned. We both kinda looked at
each other with that "what the f%^&" look.


So now I have a bunch of questions.

1) Whats the chances that there are more in this lake and that me Dave and
a variety of other anglers have never caught any? ( Me thinks not
possible)

2) What are the chances that this SM was the only one released in this
lake by someone?

3) Do smallmouth bass and Lm bass cross breed?

Hell and I have to move now

Hmmm.... For years people told me there weren't any smallmouth around here,
but as a kid I caught fish in the canals that sure looked like smallmouth.
When I actually took the time to learn the differences I discovered, THEY
ARE, and guys who know teir fish have been catching too.

One thing I think threw folks is a lot of the canal and lower river smallies
have very muted to almost no markings, and they are very dark. In the upper
river they are lighter colored and very spotted looking. Huge difference in
appearance.

What's funny is a lot of the largemouth in the lower river are that same
dark golden bronze color as the smallies. The smaller ones you have to look
close or look at the jaw plate to tell the difference. When they get bigger
the markings are much easier to distinguish.


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The smallies here in Percy Priest are actually green... and can be hard to
distinguish from a largemouth.


"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
.. .
"Alwaysfishking" wrote in message
...
Ok this one kinda shocked me. Was out early fishing with Jeremy on the
small lake here in NE Pennsylvania, Now I have fished these lakes for
over 7 years now and thought I had caught every fish in them. LM bass,
Catfish, toothy critters, sunfish, bluegill, even eels.

Well as we were fishing Jeremy has his spinnerbait just get slammed by a
fish. It leaps, looks like a good fish then manages to put a decent bend
in his rod till he gets it into the boat. As he;s lifting it over the
side, I saw something that I never saw before in these waters. A
smallmouth bass. Beautiful fish in the 2-2 1/2 pound range. And living up
to everybit of the name bronzeback. I was stunned. We both kinda looked
at each other with that "what the f%^&" look.


So now I have a bunch of questions.

1) Whats the chances that there are more in this lake and that me Dave
and a variety of other anglers have never caught any? ( Me thinks not
possible)

2) What are the chances that this SM was the only one released in this
lake by someone?

3) Do smallmouth bass and Lm bass cross breed?

Hell and I have to move now

Hmmm.... For years people told me there weren't any smallmouth around
here, but as a kid I caught fish in the canals that sure looked like
smallmouth. When I actually took the time to learn the differences I
discovered, THEY ARE, and guys who know teir fish have been catching too.

One thing I think threw folks is a lot of the canal and lower river
smallies have very muted to almost no markings, and they are very dark.
In the upper river they are lighter colored and very spotted looking.
Huge difference in appearance.

What's funny is a lot of the largemouth in the lower river are that same
dark golden bronze color as the smallies. The smaller ones you have to
look close or look at the jaw plate to tell the difference. When they get
bigger the markings are much easier to distinguish.


--
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Fishing Arizona & The Colorado River
Fishing Forums & Contests
http://www.YumaBassMan.com



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3) Do smallmouth bass and Lm bass cross breed?

There is a dam in our area that a Brandvlei/Quaggaskloof and anecdotal
evidence suggests that there are a few hybrids swimming around.

I know that hybrids have been bred in hatcheries.

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To tell the two apart, look at the closed mouth. If it extends only to
the middle of the eye, it's a smallmouth. If it goes way beyond the
back of the eye, the fish is a largemouth.

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Randy,

You could have stumbled onto something, I would start moving out and
look at some offshore stuff (maybe you already fish that stuff), find
some humps, sharp drops , curves, etc.
I would think it would be possible that maybe a small population could
exist without you ever knowing it, but it depends on the available
structure and the size of the body of water. If the body of water is
really small, and available structure is limited I would think (like you
mentioned) that you would have caught them before it there was a
significant population.
I know Spots and Smallmouth cross breed (meanmouth), but I thought I had
read some years back about a lab engineered cross of a smallmouth and
largemouth in Cali. It was a LONG time ago that I had read that
article, but I believe it was either in Field and Stream or Outdoor Life.

Chris
Alwaysfishking wrote:
Ok this one kinda shocked me. Was out early fishing with Jeremy on the small
lake here in NE Pennsylvania, Now I have fished these lakes for over 7 years
now and thought I had caught every fish in them. LM bass, Catfish, toothy
critters, sunfish, bluegill, even eels.

Well as we were fishing Jeremy has his spinnerbait just get slammed by a
fish. It leaps, looks like a good fish then manages to put a decent bend in
his rod till he gets it into the boat. As he;s lifting it over the side, I
saw something that I never saw before in these waters. A smallmouth bass.
Beautiful fish in the 2-2 1/2 pound range. And living up to everybit of the
name bronzeback. I was stunned. We both kinda looked at each other with that
"what the f%^&" look.


So now I have a bunch of questions.

1) Whats the chances that there are more in this lake and that me Dave and a
variety of other anglers have never caught any? ( Me thinks not possible)

2) What are the chances that this SM was the only one released in this lake
by someone?

3) Do smallmouth bass and Lm bass cross breed?

Hell and I have to move now

Check this out guys.
 

http://www.westernbass.com/utah/libr...w.html?id=1140


Alwaysfishking wrote:
Ok this one kinda shocked me. Was out early fishing with Jeremy on the small
lake here in NE Pennsylvania, Now I have fished these lakes for over 7 years
now and thought I had caught every fish in them. LM bass, Catfish, toothy
critters, sunfish, bluegill, even eels.

Well as we were fishing Jeremy has his spinnerbait just get slammed by a
fish. It leaps, looks like a good fish then manages to put a decent bend in
his rod till he gets it into the boat. As he;s lifting it over the side, I
saw something that I never saw before in these waters. A smallmouth bass.
Beautiful fish in the 2-2 1/2 pound range. And living up to everybit of the
name bronzeback. I was stunned. We both kinda looked at each other with that
"what the f%^&" look.


So now I have a bunch of questions.

1) Whats the chances that there are more in this lake and that me Dave and a
variety of other anglers have never caught any? ( Me thinks not possible)

2) What are the chances that this SM was the only one released in this lake
by someone?

3) Do smallmouth bass and Lm bass cross breed?

Hell and I have to move now

Check this out guys.
 

"Chris Rennert" wrote in message
.. .
http://www.westernbass.com/utah/libr...w.html?id=1140



quote
"Where separate species occur naturally together the fish do not appear to
be hybridizing," says Garrett, "it's when they are introduced to waters they
are not indigenous to. When you have two species together in a location
where they have never occurred naturally together, they tend to hybridize
like mad.
/quote

Hmmm.... I didn't think any species of bass was native east of The Rockies.
I think his statement may be an over generalization.


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Check this out guys.
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Rennert"
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.bass
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 5:36 AM
Subject: Check this out guys.


http://www.westernbass.com/utah/libr...w.html?id=1140



quote
The situation in most western states is considerably different. In
California, for instance, there are no species of bass that are native to
the waters. Some species are doing quite well adapting to the environment,
but to determine which species or hybrid is best for a particular body of
water in California is still being researched.
.quote

LOL.

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"Chris Rennert" wrote in message
.. .
I would start moving out and look at some offshore stuff (maybe you
already fish that stuff), find

It's very tiny Chris, you have to carry your boat into the lake area. You
could swim it...and I have :-) I would have hit at least one in all the
time it's been fished. Hope they were put in the other lakes too. Those
lakes could easily sustain a population of smallies. And for those of you
that were wondering...It was a smallie, no if's and's or but's about it

Amazing
 

Alwaysfishking wrote:

3) Do smallmouth bass and Lm bass cross breed?


I have heard all my life that Kentcuky Spotted bass are a natural cross
between a largemouth and a smallmouth.

BD

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Bill Durham wrote:
Alwaysfishking wrote:

3) Do smallmouth bass and Lm bass cross breed?


I have heard all my life that Kentcuky Spotted bass are a natural cross
between a largemouth and a smallmouth.

BD


I don't "think" that is correct, (I don't know for sure) as we have the
Kentucky bass everywhere down here, and no small mouths, south of the
Tenn. river

Every small stream and creek has the Kentucks in them down here

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Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

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"Bill Durham" wrote in message
. ..
Alwaysfishking wrote:

3) Do smallmouth bass and Lm bass cross breed?


I have heard all my life that Kentcuky Spotted bass are a natural cross
between a largemouth and a smallmouth.

Nope, a totally naturally occuring subspecies of bass.
--
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http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
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On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 18:53:24 -0500, Rodney Long
wrote:

I don't "think" that is correct, (I don't know for sure) as we have the
Kentucky bass everywhere down here, and no small mouths, south of the
Tenn. river

I wouldn't say "no" smallmouths as many are reportedly caught in
Texas (state record is 7.93) and Georgia's state record smallmouth is
7 lbs. 2 oz. I would assume that there are some scattered smallies in
the southern states..

Everyone should keep in mind that there are other bass that look
similar to smallies and kentucky "spotted" bass too: Suwannee bass;
Redeye bass; Shoal bass...

--
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Indianapolis, IN
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Dwayne E. Cooper wrote:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 18:53:24 -0500, Rodney Long
wrote:

I don't "think" that is correct, (I don't know for sure) as we have the
Kentucky bass everywhere down here, and no small mouths, south of the
Tenn. river

I wouldn't say "no" smallmouths as many are reportedly caught in
Texas (state record is 7.93) and Georgia's state record smallmouth is
7 lbs. 2 oz. I would assume that there are some scattered smallies in
the southern states..

They are in the state,, just "NONE" south of the Ten. river basin, they
have even tried stocking lakes and rivers further south, in Alabama, but
all stockings failed. The one they just knew would work was Lewis Smith
Lake, a very deep clear water lake, only about 50 miles south of the
Ten. River, but it also failed and they stopped trying after 5 years

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

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I have heard all my life that Kentcuky Spotted bass are a natural cross
between a largemouth and a smallmouth.

Nope, a totally naturally occuring subspecies of bass.

Actually, a species (Micropterus punctulatus), not a subspecies, but you
knew that, you just misspoke.

Amazing
 

On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 21:16:16 -0500, Rodney Long
wrote:

They are in the state,, just "NONE" south of the Ten. river basin, they
have even tried stocking lakes and rivers further south, in Alabama, but
all stockings failed. The one they just knew would work was Lewis Smith
Lake, a very deep clear water lake, only about 50 miles south of the
Ten. River, but it also failed and they stopped trying after 5 years

If you are saying US, there are several recorded catches of
smallmouth below the Tennessee river line in different states.

But if you are saying that there were no smallmouth bass "in
Alabama" south of the Tennessee river area...I don't know about that
one.

However, I'd speculate that if they stocked Lewis Smith 5 years
ago with smallies...10-1 there are some smallies still in it and they
just haven't been found by the fisheries down there yet. I've seen
quite a few lakes here in Indiana where fisheries people didn't think
there were smallies in them and there were.

--
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Indianapolis, IN
Email:
Web Page: http://www.cooperlegalservices.com
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"Marty" wrote in message
...
I have heard all my life that Kentcuky Spotted bass are a natural cross
between a largemouth and a smallmouth.

Nope, a totally naturally occuring subspecies of bass.

Actually, a species (Micropterus punctulatus), not a subspecies, but you
knew that, you just misspoke.

Picky, picky, picky! :-)
--
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G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com

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Always wanted to catch ahold of a guadalupe bass...

Warren

"Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers" wrote in message
...

"Marty" wrote in message
...
I have heard all my life that Kentcuky Spotted bass are a natural cross
between a largemouth and a smallmouth.

Nope, a totally naturally occuring subspecies of bass.

Actually, a species (Micropterus punctulatus), not a subspecies, but you
knew that, you just misspoke.

Picky, picky, picky! :-)
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com

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"Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers" wrote in message
...

"Marty" wrote in message
...
I have heard all my life that Kentcuky Spotted bass are a natural cross
between a largemouth and a smallmouth.

Nope, a totally naturally occuring subspecies of bass.

Actually, a species (Micropterus punctulatus), not a subspecies, but you
knew that, you just misspoke.

Picky, picky, picky! :-)

You and my wife think alike.