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Heading out in a few minutes for two weeks in Western N.C. for a little
fishing, Hope to join my mentor Jeff Miller for a couple of lessons before
he ends his two week trip. I have cabin on Snowbird Creek ( stocked
section } so if anyone is in area and wants to join me for a short hike
call 910 262 7761-you have to be close to get wife's cell phone.

Checked Roff for a few clues to improve my catch rate but found mostly war
talk and election talk. Perhaps we should change the name of our newsgroup
as contents have certainly changed over the years.

Luckerly (?) I have printed out fishing hints over the years from Willie,
Bruiser. even nympher Dave, etc and will take my file along and try
different interesting methods of rigging , casting, and presentation each
day so I don't just get tired of reeling in fish.
You guys have fun and organize the world while I,m gone.

Indian Joe

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Joe McIntosh wrote:
Heading out in a few minutes for two weeks in Western N.C. for a little
fishing, Hope to join my mentor Jeff Miller for a couple of lessons before
he ends his two week trip.

Have a good time, Joe. Right now I'm stuck in Moriarty, NM, with a flat
tire and cross threaded lug nut. Hopefully the guys at Larry's can get
it off and I'll continue on my way home from my 8 week journey.
--
Charlie...

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"Joe McIntosh" wrote in message
...
Heading out in a few minutes for two weeks in Western N.C. for a little
fishing, Hope to join my mentor Jeff Miller for a couple of lessons before
he ends his two week trip. I have cabin on Snowbird Creek ( stocked
section } so if anyone is in area and wants to join me for a short hike
call 910 262 7761-you have to be close to get wife's cell phone.

Checked Roff for a few clues to improve my catch rate but found mostly
war talk and election talk. Perhaps we should change the name of our
newsgroup as contents have certainly changed over the years.

Luckerly (?) I have printed out fishing hints over the years from Willie,
Bruiser. even nympher Dave, etc and will take my file along and try
different interesting methods of rigging , casting, and presentation each
day so I don't just get tired of reeling in fish.
You guys have fun and organize the world while I,m gone.

Indian Joe


Have a great time I J,
-tom

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On 10 Oct 2006 06:15:19 -0700, "Charlie Choc"
wrote:


Joe McIntosh wrote:
Heading out in a few minutes for two weeks in Western N.C. for a little
fishing, Hope to join my mentor Jeff Miller for a couple of lessons before
he ends his two week trip.

Have a good time, Joe. Right now I'm stuck in Moriarty, NM, with a flat
tire and cross threaded lug nut. Hopefully the guys at Larry's can get
it off and I'll continue on my way home from my 8 week journey.

Unless there's something unusual about the hub with the flat, just snap
off the lug (it can be done with a 4-way wrench, or certainly, an
appropriate socket, straight/"breaker" bar, and if need be, a cheater
pipe (simply a length of pipe that will fit over the breaker bar and not
bend, ala chain-link fence top-rail of something). Then simply remove
the rest of lug nuts, the wheel and tire, and knock the stub of the lug
out from the front. If you can't knock the stub out, you can remount
the fixed tire using the remaining 4 or 5 nuts and be carefully on your
way to a larger repair facility.

HTH,
R

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Joe McIntosh typed:
snip
...call 910 262 7761-you have to be close to get wife's cell phone.

I hate to be the one to tell you this, Joe, but someone could be standing
side-by-side with you and it would make no difference. These new-fangled
cell phone devices ain't walkie-talkies, ya know! ;-)
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:49:11 -0400, "Tim J."
wrote:

Joe McIntosh typed:
snip
...call 910 262 7761-you have to be close to get wife's cell phone.

I hate to be the one to tell you this, Joe, but someone could be standing
side-by-side with you and it would make no difference. These new-fangled
cell phone devices ain't walkie-talkies, ya know! ;-)

I hate to be the one to tell _you_ this, but some kinda are, or at least
work for the end-user in much the same way. And depending on the
carrier and type of phone, it's possible to have better luck across the
country than standing next to each other. There are spots (both in and
out of urban areas) where, for example, a particular Cingular customer
can get service, but a Nextel/Cellular South/whoever customer can't and
vice-versa. And if there aren't any towers in the area, nobody is
talking to anybody...

TC,
R

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Joe McIntosh wrote:

Checked Roff for a few clues to improve my catch rate but found mostly war
talk and election talk. Perhaps we should change the name of our newsgroup
as contents have certainly changed over the years.

rec.outdoors.gothic.lolita has a nice ring to it.....

Hope you and jeff catch a mess of 'em, Joe.

JR

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typed:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:49:11 -0400, "Tim J."
wrote:

Joe McIntosh typed:
snip
...call 910 262 7761-you have to be close to get wife's cell phone.

I hate to be the one to tell you this, Joe, but someone could be
standing side-by-side with you and it would make no difference.
These new-fangled cell phone devices ain't walkie-talkies, ya know!
;-)

I hate to be the one to tell _you_ this, but some kinda are, or at
least work for the end-user in much the same way. And depending on
the carrier and type of phone, it's possible to have better luck
across the country than standing next to each other. There are spots
(both in and out of urban areas) where, for example, a particular
Cingular customer can get service, but a Nextel/Cellular
South/whoever customer can't and vice-versa. And if there aren't any
towers in the area, nobody is talking to anybody...

So, basically, in Joe's context of someone having to be nearby to call his
wife's cell phone, what I said is correct then, right? Or are you saying
some cell phones are phone-to-phone direct, which is what Joe implied?
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:15:53 -0400, "Tim J."
wrote:

typed:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:49:11 -0400, "Tim J."
wrote:

Joe McIntosh typed:
snip
...call 910 262 7761-you have to be close to get wife's cell phone.

I hate to be the one to tell you this, Joe, but someone could be
standing side-by-side with you and it would make no difference.
These new-fangled cell phone devices ain't walkie-talkies, ya know!
;-)

I hate to be the one to tell _you_ this, but some kinda are, or at
least work for the end-user in much the same way. And depending on
the carrier and type of phone, it's possible to have better luck
across the country than standing next to each other. There are spots
(both in and out of urban areas) where, for example, a particular
Cingular customer can get service, but a Nextel/Cellular
South/whoever customer can't and vice-versa. And if there aren't any
towers in the area, nobody is talking to anybody...

So, basically, in Joe's context of someone having to be nearby to call his
wife's cell phone, what I said is correct then, right? Or are you saying
some cell phones are phone-to-phone direct, which is what Joe implied?

Some can be "phone-to-phone," (well, most commonly, it's more (internal)
tower to (internal) tower, like Nextel, but see below) some can't, but
IAC, some areas (although the number is dwindling and coverage areas and
system-sharing agreements are increasing) are serviced with limited
towers, all of the "local" carriers. I can think of a number of rural
or just semi-rural areas that are now, or in some cases, less than 2
years ago were, in just such a circumstance. So, if you aren't using
the same carrier AND in same general area, getting through is or was
hit-or-miss. All I was pointing out was that from an end-user
perspective, and under certain circumstances, "cellular" might seem very
much like "walkie-talkies."

TC,
R

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typed:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:15:53 -0400, "Tim J."
wrote:

typed:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:49:11 -0400, "Tim J."
wrote:

Joe McIntosh typed:
snip
...call 910 262 7761-you have to be close to get wife's cell
phone.

I hate to be the one to tell you this, Joe, but someone could be
standing side-by-side with you and it would make no difference.
These new-fangled cell phone devices ain't walkie-talkies, ya know!
;-)

I hate to be the one to tell _you_ this, but some kinda are, or at
least work for the end-user in much the same way. And depending on
the carrier and type of phone, it's possible to have better luck
across the country than standing next to each other. There are
spots (both in and out of urban areas) where, for example, a
particular Cingular customer can get service, but a Nextel/Cellular
South/whoever customer can't and vice-versa. And if there aren't
any towers in the area, nobody is talking to anybody...

So, basically, in Joe's context of someone having to be nearby to
call his wife's cell phone, what I said is correct then, right? Or
are you saying some cell phones are phone-to-phone direct, which is
what Joe implied?

Some can be "phone-to-phone," (well, most commonly, it's more
(internal) tower to (internal) tower, like Nextel, but see below)
some can't, but IAC, some areas (although the number is dwindling and
coverage areas and system-sharing agreements are increasing) are
serviced with limited towers, all of the "local" carriers. I can
think of a number of rural or just semi-rural areas that are now, or
in some cases, less than 2 years ago were, in just such a
circumstance. So, if you aren't using the same carrier AND in same
general area, getting through is or was hit-or-miss. All I was
pointing out was that from an end-user perspective, and under certain
circumstances, "cellular" might seem very much like "walkie-talkies."

I didn't know Nextel had direct phone-to-phone capabilities on some of their
phones, even without network access. That's pretty cool.
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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On 10 Oct 2006 06:15:19 -0700, "Charlie Choc"
wrote:


Joe McIntosh wrote:
Heading out in a few minutes for two weeks in Western N.C. for a little
fishing, Hope to join my mentor Jeff Miller for a couple of lessons before
he ends his two week trip.

Have a good time, Joe. Right now I'm stuck in Moriarty, NM, with a flat
tire and cross threaded lug nut. Hopefully the guys at Larry's can get
it off and I'll continue on my way home from my 8 week journey.

And just a follow-up to this, to all that might have an interest: this
is why I _never_ let tire folks start the lug nuts with pneumatics. If
they don't have a 4-way to spin 'em down, I'll hand them mine. I don't
mind them torque'ing with one, but no starting them with it - it'll
cross-thread before they know it, and there's a good chance they won't
even know it, even they were the type who would fix it if they knew it
had crossed.

And another aside - always carry something besides the dog-leg,
pot-metal-socket-wrench-crap, or other pseudotool that comes with most
cars - either a good 4-way or a breaker bar and appropriately-sized
_real_ socket. If it is crossed, at least you can twist/snap off the
lug with real tools.

TC,
R

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On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:56:15 -0400, "Tim J."
wrote:

typed:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:15:53 -0400, "Tim J."
wrote:

typed:
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:49:11 -0400, "Tim J."
wrote:

Joe McIntosh typed:
snip
...call 910 262 7761-you have to be close to get wife's cell
phone.

I hate to be the one to tell you this, Joe, but someone could be
standing side-by-side with you and it would make no difference.
These new-fangled cell phone devices ain't walkie-talkies, ya know!
;-)

I hate to be the one to tell _you_ this, but some kinda are, or at
least work for the end-user in much the same way. And depending on
the carrier and type of phone, it's possible to have better luck
across the country than standing next to each other. There are
spots (both in and out of urban areas) where, for example, a
particular Cingular customer can get service, but a Nextel/Cellular
South/whoever customer can't and vice-versa. And if there aren't
any towers in the area, nobody is talking to anybody...

So, basically, in Joe's context of someone having to be nearby to
call his wife's cell phone, what I said is correct then, right? Or
are you saying some cell phones are phone-to-phone direct, which is
what Joe implied?

Some can be "phone-to-phone," (well, most commonly, it's more
(internal) tower to (internal) tower, like Nextel, but see below)
some can't, but IAC, some areas (although the number is dwindling and
coverage areas and system-sharing agreements are increasing) are
serviced with limited towers, all of the "local" carriers. I can
think of a number of rural or just semi-rural areas that are now, or
in some cases, less than 2 years ago were, in just such a
circumstance. So, if you aren't using the same carrier AND in same
general area, getting through is or was hit-or-miss. All I was
pointing out was that from an end-user perspective, and under certain
circumstances, "cellular" might seem very much like "walkie-talkies."

I didn't know Nextel had direct phone-to-phone capabilities on some of their
phones, even without network access. That's pretty cool.

I'm not just talking about ACTUAL "walkie-talkie" (meaning true
unit-to-unit, although there are those types) communications. In the
case of Nextel specifically, I'm talking about such as what Nextel
_calls_ "walkie-talkie." Depending on what service you have, it _will_
matter where you and the other person are.

But forgetting Nextel for the moment, there are other things that
_could_ make it at least appear, from the end-user perspective, that
range is a factor. It's not that big a deal, really. I just happened
to see your post and offered my experience - as always, YMMV.

TC,
R

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wrote:

Unless there's something unusual about the hub with the flat, just snap
off the lug (it can be done with a 4-way wrench, or certainly, an
appropriate socket, straight/"breaker" bar, and if need be, a cheater
pipe (simply a length of pipe that will fit over the breaker bar and not
bend, ala chain-link fence top-rail of something). Then simply remove
the rest of lug nuts, the wheel and tire, and knock the stub of the lug
out from the front. If you can't knock the stub out, you can remount
the fixed tire using the remaining 4 or 5 nuts and be carefully on your
way to a larger repair facility.

Nothing unusual, other than the nut was cross threaded. They had
already tried all that you suggested and ended up getting it off with a
torch. They replaced all the bolts and I was on my way before noon
local time. Thanks for the call, BTW, the cell coverage is poor around
there and I didn't get the voicemail message until they were almost
done.
--
Charlie...

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Jonathan Cook wrote:
Charlie Choc wrote:

Have a good time, Joe. Right now I'm stuck in Moriarty, NM, with a flat

I really like that area. Nice country.

It wasn't pretty last night being out in all the rain. g I had driven
through the storm just west of ABQ and then it hit me again while I was
stuck at the rest are on the other side. At least it didn't hail the
2nd time, there was 2 or more inches of hail on the ground when I went
through it the 1st time.
--
Charlie...

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On 10 Oct 2006 17:30:15 -0700, "Charlie Choc"
wrote:


wrote:

Unless there's something unusual about the hub with the flat, just snap
off the lug (it can be done with a 4-way wrench, or certainly, an
appropriate socket, straight/"breaker" bar, and if need be, a cheater
pipe (simply a length of pipe that will fit over the breaker bar and not
bend, ala chain-link fence top-rail of something). Then simply remove
the rest of lug nuts, the wheel and tire, and knock the stub of the lug
out from the front. If you can't knock the stub out, you can remount
the fixed tire using the remaining 4 or 5 nuts and be carefully on your
way to a larger repair facility.

Nothing unusual, other than the nut was cross threaded. They had
already tried all that you suggested and ended up getting it off with a
torch. They replaced all the bolts and I was on my way before noon
local time. Thanks for the call, BTW, the cell coverage is poor around
there and I didn't get the voicemail message until they were almost
done.

Kinda figured you were set to run, but a small part of me had a vision
of you getting an old-fashioned "canuter valve and bavet flange"
treatment...

Anyway, glad to hear that you, and if you're hauling the trailernator,
are back on the road. If you are taking, or should to take a fancy to
take, a southerly route and care to swing through NO/the coast, give a
shout...

TC,
R

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wrote in message
...
On 10 Oct 2006 06:15:19 -0700, "Charlie Choc"
wrote:

And another aside - always carry something besides the dog-leg,
pot-metal-socket-wrench-crap, or other pseudotool that comes with most
cars - either a good 4-way or a breaker bar and appropriately-sized
_real_ socket. If it is crossed, at least you can twist/snap off the
lug with real tools.

The best way I know to snap a crossthreaded lug, or urge one along, if you
don't have the appropriate cheater bar, is to put the 4-way on, then put the
car in gear, and roll forward (or backward, depending on the thread) slowly.
The 4-way (even an L-shaped lugnut tool) will catch against the ground, and
twist the lug.

Just be sure the frozen lug is the FIRST lug you remove....

--riverman

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riverman typed:
wrote in message
...
On 10 Oct 2006 06:15:19 -0700, "Charlie Choc"
wrote:

And another aside - always carry something besides the dog-leg,
pot-metal-socket-wrench-crap, or other pseudotool that comes with
most cars - either a good 4-way or a breaker bar and
appropriately-sized _real_ socket. If it is crossed, at least you
can twist/snap off the lug with real tools.

The best way I know to snap a crossthreaded lug, or urge one along,
if you don't have the appropriate cheater bar, is to put the 4-way
on, then put the car in gear, and roll forward (or backward,
depending on the thread) slowly. The 4-way (even an L-shaped lugnut
tool) will catch against the ground, and twist the lug.

Just be sure the frozen lug is the FIRST lug you remove....

:) Now *that's* a great visual!
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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riverman wrote:

Just be sure the frozen lug is the FIRST lug you remove....

Actually, the 2nd set of wrecker guys sort of wanted me to take off all
the lugs and then drive around and see if the frozen one would break
off - after they had chisled as much as they could - but they wouldn't
really come right out and recommend it. I chose to have it towed to a
shop instead, and I'm glad I did.
--
Charlie...

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On 11 Oct 2006 17:48:12 -0700, "Charlie Choc"
wrote:


riverman wrote:

Just be sure the frozen lug is the FIRST lug you remove....

Actually, the 2nd set of wrecker guys sort of wanted me to take off all
the lugs and then drive around and see if the frozen one would break
off - after they had chisled as much as they could - but they wouldn't
really come right out and recommend it. I chose to have it towed to a
shop instead, and I'm glad I did.

Chiseled!? Um, it sure sounds like there was some definite chiseling
going on...if it ever happens again, get a _good_ 4-way and put the
appropriate end on the crossed lug nut and then, there are two ways to
snap off the stud: 1. put the "grab" ends at a slight angle (so it's not
quite parallel to the ground) and see if it will turn. If it will _at
all_ you need to _tighten_ it to twist off the stud (just like twisting
off a bolt by over-tightening it), but if it's so cross-threaded it
won't turn, give it a quick, hard "snatch-and-jerk," pulling one end and
pushing the other. If you have no luck, or know you aren't up to doing
it that way, try method 2: put the 4-way on with the "grab" ends as
close to up and down as you can. Sit parallel to the car, and put a
foot on the lower bar and grab the upper, and see if that will let you
turn it. If not, try the quick, hard snap method. Normal
passenger-vehicle studs aren't don't have that much tensile strength, so
generally, you can twist off/snap off the lug nut easier than you can
cold-chisel it off.

HTH,
R

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wrote:

Chiseled!? Um, it sure sounds like there was some definite chiseling
going on...if it ever happens again, get a _good_ 4-way and put the
appropriate end on the crossed lug nut and then,

Hmm. Stuck in a rest area and I'm supposed to go 'get' a good lug
wrench? g The nut was damaged, either by the folks who cross threaded
it or by the 1st tow truck driver, and a socket wouldn't grip well
enough to break it loose - and they tried plenty of different ones. All
good roff advice considered, I'll still call AAA if it happens again.
;-) As it was, I still would have had to drive on the spare (not a full
sized one on my wife's Jeep GC) until I found a place to get a new tire
the next day, so I was probably at least as well off in the long run
not getting it changed myself. There was a tire place (JR's) close to
the repair place (Larry's), and I was able to get a good used tire
pretty cheap, so it all worked out.
--
Charlie...

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On 12 Oct 2006 03:33:41 -0700, "Charlie Choc"
wrote:


wrote:

Chiseled!? Um, it sure sounds like there was some definite chiseling
going on...if it ever happens again, get a _good_ 4-way and put the
appropriate end on the crossed lug nut and then,

Hmm. Stuck in a rest area and I'm supposed to go 'get' a good lug
wrench? g

Sure, "get" it out of the vehicle...you DO carry a 4-way and a full
compliment of 6- and 12-points as well as spline-grab sockets in all
vehicles, doncha? Heck, anyway, I sorta figured that the trailernator
was like one of those Transformer robot things that, at the first sign
of trouble, turned into a robotic Manny, Moe, and Jack, and took care of
itself, the tow vehicle, the driver and/or passengers, or lastly, any
fool impertinent enough to mess around with any of the above...

The nut was damaged, either by the folks who cross threaded
it or by the 1st tow truck driver, and a socket wouldn't grip well
enough to break it loose - and they tried plenty of different ones.

Ah...not that it matters now, but for those still watching this episode
of "This Old Tire," if faced with a similar round-off situation and
don't have access to grabber wrenches or spline sockets (and true, few
do), try metric sockets (or inches, if you have a rounded metric
bolt/nut). Sometimes, the other system will have a SLIGHTLY smaller
socket that will get enough to grab (not just limited to tires,
obviously). And with things like lug nuts and other softer/
non-hardened nuts and bolts, hammering on an _impact_ socket can
sometimes work.

All
good roff advice considered, I'll still call AAA if it happens again.
;-)

Call...AAA? Son, you're gonna have hell to pay when this is discussed
at the next Man Law meeting...there are only three acceptable ways to
deal with this type of thing: fix it yourself, beat the **** out of it,
or shoot it deader than dead, dead, dead...."Man Law!"

As it was, I still would have had to drive on the spare (not a full
sized one on my wife's Jeep GC) until I found a place to get a new tire
the next day,

OK, so let's get this straight - you're driving around in what is
supposedly an S _U_ V, but has a friggin' donut spare, you don't have a
full set of tools and cheater or even a 4-way, and you actually belong
to AAA...**** you, choc....

so I was probably at least as well off in the long run
not getting it changed myself.

Yeah, we wouldn't want you to get grease on yer dress or break a nail,
would we...

There was a tire place (JR's) close to
the repair place (Larry's), and I was able to get a good used tire
pretty cheap, so it all worked out.

Glad to here it, and here's hoping the rest of trip is (bad-)
incident-free...and never again let anyone start lug nuts with air.

TC,
R

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wrote:

Ah...not that it matters now, but for those still watching this episode
of "This Old Tire," if faced with a similar round-off situation and
don't have access to grabber wrenches or spline sockets (and true, few
do), try metric sockets (or inches, if you have a rounded metric
bolt/nut). Sometimes, the other system will have a SLIGHTLY smaller
socket that will get enough to grab (not just limited to tires,
obviously). And with things like lug nuts and other softer/
non-hardened nuts and bolts, hammering on an _impact_ socket can
sometimes work.

They tried that too, but maybe I can put you guys in touch and you can
have a long manly discussion about you each prefer to get your nuts
off. ;-)
--
Charlie...

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On 12 Oct 2006 13:45:56 -0700, "Charlie Choc"
wrote:


wrote:

Ah...not that it matters now, but for those still watching this episode
of "This Old Tire," if faced with a similar round-off situation and
don't have access to grabber wrenches or spline sockets (and true, few
do), try metric sockets (or inches, if you have a rounded metric
bolt/nut). Sometimes, the other system will have a SLIGHTLY smaller
socket that will get enough to grab (not just limited to tires,
obviously). And with things like lug nuts and other softer/
non-hardened nuts and bolts, hammering on an _impact_ socket can
sometimes work.

They tried that too, but maybe I can put you guys in touch and you can
have a long manly discussion about you each prefer to get your nuts
off. ;-)

Thank ya, kindly, but I'll pass...I know how to get my nuts off, and it
doesn't involve chisels...unless...er, nevermind...

TC,
R
....and should that dreadful day ever arrive, I know this little pond
sorta place that seems to have a non-stop supply of stocked quarry...

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wrote in message
...
On 12 Oct 2006 13:45:56 -0700, "Charlie Choc"
wrote:


wrote:

They tried that too, but maybe I can put you guys in touch and you can
have a long manly discussion about you each prefer to get your nuts
off. ;-)

Thank ya, kindly, but I'll pass...I know how to get my nuts off, and it
doesn't involve chisels...unless...er, nevermind...



Whats the difference between a Quickie and a Yankee?











They're the same, except you do the Quickie with a partner.
--riverman

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"riverman" wrote

Whats the difference between a Quickie and a Yankee?


when you've finished with the latter, you just hope it will head
north on i-85, never to return.

yfitons
wayno

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Wayne Harrison wrote:
"riverman" wrote

Whats the difference between a Quickie and a Yankee?


when you've finished with the latter, you just hope it will head
north on i-85, never to return.

And when you've finished with the former, you hope it doesn't somehow
lead to alimony.
--
Charlie...

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On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 12:53:32 GMT, "Wayne Harrison"
wrote:


"riverman" wrote

Whats the difference between a Quickie and a Yankee?


when you've finished with the latter, you just hope it will head
north on i-85, never to return.

Um...that's _VERRRRY_ interesting...and perhaps Freudian...maybe if he
would have spelled it "Yankie"...but either way, I'd suspect that the
same could be said for at least one or two of the former...what's the
difference between a Tri-Delt and a toilet?

TC,
R

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