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I was on the Gallatin River and I saw something that I have never seen before. Crushed old vehicles used for river bank stabilization. I guess if it works - great-?? Although - Not too pretty -- Fred |
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On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:56:08 -0600, "Fred Lebow"
wrote: I was on the Gallatin River and I saw something that I have never seen before. Crushed old vehicles used for river bank stabilization. I guess if it works - great-?? You must not travel in rural areas much. Crushed cars, broken-up silos, cut-up tanks (storage tanks, not military tanks), etc., have long been used for such. Done right, in a couple of years, you'd never know they were there. Done wrong, yep, it's an eyesore. TC, R Although - Not too pretty |
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"Fred Lebow" wrote in message et... I was on the Gallatin River and I saw something that I have never seen before. Crushed old vehicles used for river bank stabilization. I guess if it works - great-?? There was an ad in the FF magazines about ten years ago, it featured a guy standing in the river with that old cars in the background. I'm can't remember who's ad it was, but I'm thinking maybe it was Simms. |
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"Charlie Wilson" wrote in message ... "Fred Lebow" wrote in message et... I was on the Gallatin River and I saw something that I have never seen before. Crushed old vehicles used for river bank stabilization. I guess if it works - great-?? There was an ad in the FF magazines about ten years ago, it featured a guy standing in the river with that old cars in the background. I'm can't remember who's ad it was, but I'm thinking maybe it was Simms. Yeah, and if I recall correctly, the river was the Bitterroot, (I may be wrong)... when I first hit the Bitterroot, Car rip rap was very common in the lower river, there was a '49 Packard submerged in a hole below Stevensville, that was home to a 26"+ brown that all the guides tried for. It would come out to feed, and so would be caught occasionally, but a few quick turns around the door post and he'd be off.... Of course, I may be romanticizing that a bit.... Skwala |
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"Skwala" wrote in message ... "Charlie Wilson" wrote in message ... "Fred Lebow" wrote in message et... I was on the Gallatin River and I saw something that I have never seen before. Crushed old vehicles used for river bank stabilization. I guess if it works - great-?? There was an ad in the FF magazines about ten years ago, it featured a guy standing in the river with that old cars in the background. I'm can't remember who's ad it was, but I'm thinking maybe it was Simms. It was a Simms ad, however I believe it's was shot on the Bighole river. Yeah, and if I recall correctly, the river was the Bitterroot, (I may be wrong)... when I first hit the Bitterroot, Car rip rap was very common in the lower river, there was a '49 Packard submerged in a hole below Stevensville, that was home to a 26"+ brown that all the guides tried for. I've fished that stretch several times, one of my favorite floats on the Bitterroot. I have also heard the big brown in the trunk of the Packard story... One time while floating that stretch, we had all but finished the float, there were several people ahead of us at the launch, so I dropped anchor about 50 yds. up to stay out of the way. It was quite dim by this time, my buddies and I were kicked back drinking a beer. We noticed a couple small birds (sparrow size) standing on a rock drinking out of the river. About 5 seconds latter a *large* brown came out of the water after one of the birds... We all looked at each other in disbelief, thinking, did you just see what I saw... That next afternoon/evening when it started getting dark, I tied on a mouse pattern in hopes of pulling a large brown, but had no takers. JT |
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Skwala wrote:
Yeah, and if I recall correctly, the river was the Bitterroot, (I may be wrong)... when I first hit the Bitterroot, Car rip rap was very common in the lower river, there was a '49 Packard submerged in a hole below Stevensville, that was home to a 26"+ brown that all the guides tried for. There's a very good steelhead spot on the Salmon River called Pontiac because someone drove a Pontiac Firebird into it. A guy I know pulled in out of the river a couple of days later, for salvage, and it was already full of bullet holes. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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Fred Lebow wrote: I was on the Gallatin River and I saw something that I have never seen before. Crushed old vehicles used for river bank stabilization. I guess if it works - great-?? Although - Not too pretty Nor too environmentally friendly, I should think. Wolfgang |
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Fred Lebow wrote: I was on the Gallatin River and I saw something that I have never seen before. Crushed old vehicles used for river bank stabilization. I guess if it works - great-?? Although - Not too pretty Nor too environmentally friendly, I should think. Wolfgang The Crowsnest River has an area where the bank is lined by ore cars. They are filled in and overgrown now, but you can still see them. The fishing isn't too bad in that spot either. Tim Lysyk |
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Tim Lysyk wrote: Wolfgang wrote: Fred Lebow wrote: I was on the Gallatin River and I saw something that I have never seen before. Crushed old vehicles used for river bank stabilization. I guess if it works - great-?? Although - Not too pretty Nor too environmentally friendly, I should think. Wolfgang The Crowsnest River has an area where the bank is lined by ore cars. They are filled in and overgrown now, but you can still see them. The fishing isn't too bad in that spot either. Oar cars. Hm..... Presumably, you're referring to railroad cars. Take the trucks out from under them and the're just steel boxes. Seems innocuous enough to me. Automobiles are another matter entirely. Wolfgang |
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The car rip rap pictured in the ad is on the Bighorn river. Ft Smith, MT.
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Wolfgang wrote:
Oar cars. Hm..... Presumably, you're referring to railroad cars. Take the trucks out from under them and the're just steel boxes. Seems innocuous enough to me. Automobiles are another matter entirely. Wolfgang Actually, they are small ore cars, like the type used in mines. Yes, except for the rust, they are just steel boxes. Tim Lysyk |
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Tim Lysyk wrote: Wolfgang wrote: Fred Lebow wrote: I was on the Gallatin River and I saw something that I have never seen before. Crushed old vehicles used for river bank stabilization. I guess if it works - great-?? Although - Not too pretty Nor too environmentally friendly, I should think. Wolfgang The Crowsnest River has an area where the bank is lined by ore cars. They are filled in and overgrown now, but you can still see them. The fishing isn't too bad in that spot either. Oar cars. Hm..... Presumably, you're referring to railroad cars. Take the trucks out from under them and the're just steel boxes. Seems innocuous enough to me. Automobiles are another matter entirely. Wolfgang Yeah, Good point (your first?), I recall reading a study that suggested the primary source of PCP polution in MT fresh water was leaking brake fluid from car rip rap. Skwala |
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Yeah, Good point (your first?), I recall reading a study that suggested
the primary source of PCP polution in MT fresh water was leaking brake fluid from car rip rap. Skwala Can you remember where you read that? It is not surprising - just more depressing on the night the Mets lost! Fred Fred Lebow |
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On 19 Oct 2006 16:37:44 -0700, "Wolfgang" wrote:
Nor too environmentally friendly, I should think. Wolfgang The Crowsnest River has an area where the bank is lined by ore cars. They are filled in and overgrown now, but you can still see them. The fishing isn't too bad in that spot either. Oar cars. Hm..... Presumably, you're referring to railroad cars. Take the trucks out from under them and the're just steel boxes. Seems innocuous enough to me. Automobiles are another matter entirely. I'm under the impression that the cars for use that way have their engines and probably gas tanks pulled before they go in the river. Maybe a lot of their interiors, too, like the seats. -- r.bc: vixen Speaker to squirrels, willow watcher, etc.. Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless. Really. http://www.visi.com/~cyli |
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Fred Lebow wrote:
Yeah, Good point (your first?), I recall reading a study that suggested the primary source of PCP polution in MT fresh water was leaking brake fluid from car rip rap. Skwala Can you remember where you read that? It is not surprising - just more depressing on the night the Mets lost! Fred Fred Lebow Well, it was the early 80's... so it as in print... but I'll do a brief search to come up with the cites... |
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On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:06:46 -0600, "Fred Lebow"
wrote: Yeah, Good point (your first?), I recall reading a study that suggested the primary source of PCP polution in MT fresh water was leaking brake fluid from car rip rap. PCP pollution?! From _brake fluid_?! Have you been subjected to a lot of this, um, "pollution?" Skwala Can you remember where you read that? My bet is the answer would be something along the lines of, "Strawberries!!"..."I'm a little teapot..." It is not surprising Uh, it's not? OK, I'll bite - just how leaking brake fluid, or anything else on in, on, or related to an auto, causing "PCP pollution?" - just more depressing on the night the Mets lost! ...."more depressing...," you say? Well, it would explain the PCP... WTF, R |
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wrote in message ups.com... Yeah, Good point Is it? Well, good, I've been saving it for a long time in the hope of finding someone of sufficiently penetrating insight and sound judgment to assess it for me. Looks like this is my lucky day. (your first?), Don't know......I was hoping you'd tell me. I recall reading a study that suggested the primary source of PCP polution in MT fresh water was leaking brake fluid from car rip rap. They should use retards. I read a study that suggested they're biodegradable. Wolfgang |
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Wolfgang wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Yeah, Good point Is it? Well, good, I've been saving it for a long time in the hope of finding someone of sufficiently penetrating insight and sound judgment to assess it for me. Looks like this is my lucky day. Not really, I'm not sure that even Sigmund and C.J could help you.... (your first?), Don't know......I was hoping you'd tell me. I recall reading a study that suggested the primary source of PCP polution in MT fresh water was leaking brake fluid from car rip rap. They should use retards. I read a study that suggested they're biodegradable. What have you got against the IQ challenged.... |
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wrote in message ups.com... Wolfgang wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Yeah, Good point Is it? Well, good, I've been saving it for a long time in the hope of finding someone of sufficiently penetrating insight and sound judgment to assess it for me. Looks like this is my lucky day. Not really, I'm not sure that even Sigmund and C.J could help you.... Well, if you're referring to Freud and Jung, last I heard they're both still dead. As the only thing I really need help with right now is determining exactly what it's going to take to get the electrical service in the house up to code, I believe you're probably right. Doesn't matter though.....I've got a master electrician stopping by later today. He should be able to work it out without them. (your first?), Don't know......I was hoping you'd tell me. I recall reading a study that suggested the primary source of PCP polution in MT fresh water was leaking brake fluid from car rip rap. They should use retards. I read a study that suggested they're biodegradable. What have you got against the IQ challenged.... Not a thing. You're welcome to stay here as long as you please, as far as I'm concerned. Wolfgang who notes that brother skwalid seems to have forgotten his name. |
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"Cyli" wrote in message ... On 19 Oct 2006 16:37:44 -0700, "Wolfgang" wrote: Nor too environmentally friendly, I should think. Wolfgang The Crowsnest River has an area where the bank is lined by ore cars. They are filled in and overgrown now, but you can still see them. The fishing isn't too bad in that spot either. Oar cars. Hm..... Presumably, you're referring to railroad cars. Take the trucks out from under them and the're just steel boxes. Seems innocuous enough to me. Automobiles are another matter entirely. I'm under the impression that the cars for use that way have their engines and probably gas tanks pulled before they go in the river. Maybe a lot of their interiors, too, like the seats. Even when everything but the body and frame is stripped, this still leaves paint which can be host to a virtually limitless array of toxic substances including (but by no means limited to) metallic oxides and sulfides and many organic compounds. There is also a good chance that painted parts will be prepped with a bonding agent....zinc chromate pickling is one of several options, especially for powder-coated steel. Sundry waxes and plastics are used to protect the finish. There will also be zinc on any remaining galvanized parts. Lead, copper, zinc and cadmium are common components of batteries. Presumably, all batteries have been removed but they may have leaked before or during removal. Even if the engine compartment is steam cleaned, there will almost certainly be propylene glycol and/or other antifreeze/coolant residues. There will also be motor oil, brake fluid, transmission fluid, window washer. All of these will also be present on the undercarriage, along with bits of asphalt, gasoline additives, road paint and a million other bits of unidentifiable filth. Meanwhile, I'd bet a shiny new nickel that not all of the removable parts have been taken out. A lot of stuff isn't salvageable and it takes a lot of time to completely disassemble a car. Look at the underside of the hood on your car. Odds are there is some sort of insulation there, used for noise reduction. This may be fiberglass or some sort of plastic foam. These are sometimes glued in place. No one is going to make certain that all of this material (and the glue) is removed. There are hundreds (maybe thousands?) of fasteners used in the manufacture of automobiles.....clips, snaps, catches, Velcro, screws, rivets, staples, straps, grommets......all of these made of rubber, plastics, leather, fabrics, etc. There are gaskets and seals. There is weather stripping. The instrument panel probably contains little if anything that anyone would want to salvage or recycle. It contains some combination of greased gears, cables, LEDs, liquid crystals, light bulbs, rheostats, resistors, capacitors, silicon chips, phosphors.....maybe even a few radioactive bits. Carpeting, seat and ceiling fabrics, that nasty cheap fabric-like stuff they line the inside of the trunk with......the list goes on and on and on. Wolfgang |
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On 20 Oct 2006 13:13:48 -0700, "rb608" wrote:
wrote: A quick google-ing returns scores of envionmetal studies concerning the pollution effects from automotive chemicals... I may have had the PCP source from brake fluid wrong, however.... memory, its a sometimes thing... Too much phenylcyclohexylpiperidine, aka PCP, probably does have an adverse effect on memory; and as to how that may or may not have affected you, I cannot say. However, given the persistance of the thread's mistaken acronym, I feel compelled to suggest that what you really mean is polychlorinated biphenyl, PCB. Joe F. Were there ever PCBs in brake fluid? IIRC, originally, it was something like cod liver oil and alcohol and now is just another "rating" of hydraulic fluid (well, several ratings), but ??? TC, R |
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Were there ever PCBs in brake fluid? IIRC, originally, it was something like cod liver oil and alcohol and now is just another "rating" of hydraulic fluid (well, several ratings), but ??? They were used in hyrdarulic fluids of other sorts; whether auto brake fluid was one of the applications, I really don't know. It's within the range of possibilities I suppose. Joe F. |
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On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:25:34 GMT, "rb608"
wrote: wrote in message Were there ever PCBs in brake fluid? IIRC, originally, it was something like cod liver oil and alcohol and now is just another "rating" of hydraulic fluid (well, several ratings), but ??? They were used in hyrdarulic fluids of other sorts; whether auto brake fluid was one of the applications, I really don't know. It's within the range of possibilities I suppose. Fair enough. Either way though, I'd offer that the vast majority of autos used for such erosion control are pretty well stripped, plus have been sitting at wrecking/breaking yards for a long time, and then, crushed. All of this would suggest that very little fluids, interior/upholstery, instrumentation and electronics, etc. would be left, regardless of the final destination of the crushed remains. And that's the stuff placed 20-plus years ago. With the newer additions (not age of the auto, age of the placement), all sorts of rules are in place, regardless of where the car components are going. Refrigerant must be evac'ed, fluids drained (and recycled), etc. And nowadays, with computerized inventory and networked marketing, just about anything potentially sellable and removable is removed and inventoried. I don't think I've been in a wrecking yard in the last 5 years that doesn't have _some_ form of computerized system. With newer autos, about all that gets "crushed" is the unibody and any sheet metal that isn't sellable (totally mangled doors, fenders, QP sections, etc.). Bottom line is that economics keeps a lot of material out, regs keeps just about anything else potentially harmful out, and in the end, what is used _generally_ would be environmentally neutral. TC, R |
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Bottom line is that economics keeps a lot of material out, regs keeps just about anything else potentially harmful out, and in the end, what is used _generally_ would be environmentally neutral. Fair enough; but my only reason for entering this thread was the apparent confusion of the acronyms PCP and PCB. I had no intention of making any scientific, political, or value judgement beyond that. For all I know, these cars have PCP in their glove boxes, PCB in their brakes, and STP in their crankcases. Joe F. |
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On 22 Oct 2006 08:05:01 -0700, "Wolfgang" wrote:
wrote: ...Bottom line is that economics keeps a lot of material out, regs keeps just about anything else potentially harmful out, and in the end, what is used _generally_ would be environmentally neutral. Horse****, pure and simple. No, it isn't. As a compulsive liar with a store of ignorance truly staggering in both breadth and depth, it has probably occurred to you that in any given instance your audience can never tell for sure in what proportions these major components of your persona are operating. What evidently continues to escape you entirely, despite it's being pointed out to you repeatedly, is that it really doesn't matter. Are talking to yourself, me, or someone else? It might occur to the more-intelligent and observant that I've no problem coming right out and stating what I don't know, just as I've no problem stating what I do know. If it's based strictly on my experience(s), I'll qualify it as appropriate. And in the instant case, I'm confident that my knowledge and experience when it comes to wrecking/breaking yards, automotive/industrial/equipment recycling, and related activities exceeds yours, and my suspicion is that it does so greatly....and no, YMMWNV... Wolfgang "environmentally neutral"......crack me up! :) Yeah, we wouldn't want to go putting carbon- and ore-based materials in the ground... Dickie |
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On 22 Oct 2006 09:16:50 -0700, "Wolfgang" wrote:
....death, taxes, and Wolfgang... wrote: On 22 Oct 2006 08:05:01 -0700, "Wolfgang" wrote: wrote: ...Bottom line is that economics keeps a lot of material out, regs keeps just about anything else potentially harmful out, and in the end, what is used _generally_ would be environmentally neutral. Horse****, pure and simple. No, it isn't. Yes, it is. As a compulsive liar with a store of ignorance truly staggering in both breadth and depth, it has probably occurred to you that in any given instance your audience can never tell for sure in what proportions these major components of your persona are operating. What evidently continues to escape you entirely, despite it's being pointed out to you repeatedly, is that it really doesn't matter. Are talking to yourself, me, or someone else? HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! See, that's what we love about this place......cleverness on a scale that would make Parker, Twain and Wilde blush with envy. It might occur to the more-intelligent and observant that I've no problem coming right out and stating what I don't know, It has doubtless occurred to all and sundry that you have no problem at all stating what you don't know. Most, dimly comprehended rules of grammar notwithstanding, will probably experience little difficulty in deciding which side of the ambiguity to jump on. just as I've no problem stating what I do know. Well, we can only speculate on how much trouble it would cost you, but we are certain that it wouldn't take long. Hell, for all we know you may have slipped it in somewhere at just about any point in any of the myriad bits of inane **** you've posted here over the years. Tell you what......why don't you just post it again, clearly labeled, so everyone can make a note of it. That way you can be assured that we'll all remember and you can leave, secure in the knowledge that everybody will know all that you know. As a bonus (and as should be obvious now) everyone will then know that you actually know TWO things! If it's based strictly on my experience(s), I'll qualify it as appropriate. Hm...... Based on the extensive and exquisitely detailed resumé you've provided here over the years, I'm sure we'd all agree that no sort of qualifications need be (or will be) forthcoming. And in the instant case, I'm confident that my knowledge and experience when it comes to wrecking/breaking yards, automotive/industrial/equipment recycling, and related activities exceeds yours, Well, being confident is sort of implicit in confidentiality, ainna? One supposes that pretty much sums up the point of being El Mysterioso. and my suspicion is that it does so greatly.... Actually, you're a liar. and no, YMMWNV... Oh yeah? Well, JSDFIDHBWPWUBNF! HAH! Wolfgang "environmentally neutral"......crack me up! :) Yeah, we wouldn't want to go putting carbon- and ore-based materials in the ground... Absolutely priceless! Dickie Damned if you do......and double damned if you don't. Sucks, don't it? Wolfgang let's see now.......what shall we have it call itself NEXT year? :) Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.... |
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On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:25:48 -0500, "Wolfgang" wrote:
"Cyli" wrote in message .. . On 19 Oct 2006 16:37:44 -0700, "Wolfgang" wrote: Nor too environmentally friendly, I should think. Wolfgang The Crowsnest River has an area where the bank is lined by ore cars. They are filled in and overgrown now, but you can still see them. The fishing isn't too bad in that spot either. Oar cars. Hm..... Presumably, you're referring to railroad cars. Take the trucks out from under them and the're just steel boxes. Seems innocuous enough to me. Automobiles are another matter entirely. I'm under the impression that the cars for use that way have their engines and probably gas tanks pulled before they go in the river. Maybe a lot of their interiors, too, like the seats. Even when everything but the body and frame is stripped, this still leaves paint which can be host to a virtually limitless array of toxic substances including (but by no means limited to) metallic oxides and sulfides and many organic compounds. There is also a good chance that painted parts will be prepped with a bonding agent....zinc chromate pickling is one of several options, especially for powder-coated steel. Sundry waxes and plastics are used to protect the finish. There will also be zinc on any remaining galvanized parts. Lead, copper, zinc and cadmium are common components of batteries. Presumably, all batteries have been removed but they may have leaked before or during removal. Even if the engine compartment is steam cleaned, there will almost certainly be propylene glycol and/or other antifreeze/coolant residues. There will also be motor oil, brake fluid, transmission fluid, window washer. All of these will also be present on the undercarriage, along with bits of asphalt, gasoline additives, road paint and a million other bits of unidentifiable filth. Meanwhile, I'd bet a shiny new nickel that not all of the removable parts have been taken out. A lot of stuff isn't salvageable and it takes a lot of time to completely disassemble a car. Look at the underside of the hood on your car. Odds are there is some sort of insulation there, used for noise reduction. This may be fiberglass or some sort of plastic foam. These are sometimes glued in place. No one is going to make certain that all of this material (and the glue) is removed. There are hundreds (maybe thousands?) of fasteners used in the manufacture of automobiles.....clips, snaps, catches, Velcro, screws, rivets, staples, straps, grommets......all of these made of rubber, plastics, leather, fabrics, etc. There are gaskets and seals. There is weather stripping. The instrument panel probably contains little if anything that anyone would want to salvage or recycle. It contains some combination of greased gears, cables, LEDs, liquid crystals, light bulbs, rheostats, resistors, capacitors, silicon chips, phosphors.....maybe even a few radioactive bits. Carpeting, seat and ceiling fabrics, that nasty cheap fabric-like stuff they line the inside of the trunk with..... .the list goes on and on and on. And since it's you, it's somewhat surprising that it wasn't at least twice as long and inaccurate... ....and "everyone" just "knows" how stolen cars are almost always found with nothing missing but any loose valuables that the owner happened to leave lying about...why, heck, "chop shops" became so named because of a peculiar commonality: the folks involved in them seem to have a voracious appetite for stuffed pork dishes... |
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On 22 Oct 2006 10:25:47 -0700, "Wolfgang" wrote:
wrote: On 22 Oct 2006 09:16:50 -0700, "Wolfgang" wrote: ...death, taxes, and Wolfgang... Here's what you should do; you should go away now and think long and hard about who makes your decisions for you......and why.....and what all of this implies. And then come back someday when you grow some hair in your pants. Uh-huh...just what I expected from ya, lil' pup - you ran right back under the porch...but do come back if you finally gather up enough nickels to buy yourself a set of neuticles and find out that it still doesn't mean you've actually got balls - I'll be happy to slice 'em off for you...and as an aside, I haven't the slightest desire for hairy pants... Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.... You're welcome. No charge......this time. Wolfgang who... thinks Liar. he should be entitled to some sort of just compensation. :) Idiot. |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:25:48 -0500, "Wolfgang" wrote: .the list goes on and on and on. And since it's you, it's somewhat surprising that it wasn't at least twice as long and inaccurate... Well, this should be fun. Go ahead.....point out an inaccuracy. :) ...and "everyone" just "knows" how stolen cars are almost always found with nothing missing but any loose valuables that the owner happened to leave lying about...why, heck, "chop shops" became so named because of a peculiar commonality: the folks involved in them seem to have a voracious appetite for stuffed pork dishes... O.k., I get it......the object here is to convince someone or other that this means something.....right? Hows about you save the.......um......less gifted.....readers among us the anguish of a long and futile search by pointing out what you think it might be? Wolfgang just another carbon-based material. |
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Fred Lebow wrote: I was on the Gallatin River and I saw something that I have never seen before. Crushed old vehicles used for river bank stabilization. I guess if it works - great-?? One of biggest Gallatin River browns I ever caught (down near Logan) came out the back seat of an old car. The hard part was side-arm skip-casting a big streamer back into the half submerged, busted-out window. That old hulk fell into a deep hole years ago. Big brown trout do like those fortress-like hiding places. |
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Lots'a old car bodies used as rip-rap. This was Lady Bird Johnson's
brain storm. Half the fun of fly-fishing in Montana is playing "Name That Car" while trying to wade around the rusted hulks. |
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