Hypothermia/ neoprene waders?
 

I was just curious, has anyone ever had or come close to Hypothermia while
fishing in their waders?
All I have is a set of breathable lightweight waders, but I layer pretty
heavily in extreme cold water conditions, and so far the cold hasn't
bothered me to the point of shivering. I usually out of the water before
that, but there were times when I'm in the water for a long period of time.
A few of my friends suggested I should get a good set of neoprene waders,
just haven't forked the bucks yet. Others have told me neoprene is a waste
of money. It might be handy to have a 2nd pair of waders.
Comments on neoprene waders? Good brands?
fwiw,
-tom

Hypothermia/ neoprene waders?
 

Tom Nakashima wrote:
......... Others have told me neoprene is a waste
of money.
-tom

When it's warm enough to use non-neoprene waders I wet wade
more often than not. The non-neoprenes I do have (and occasionally
wear)
are Patagonia waders, which I do like. But for me they are the frills.
Neoprene is the requirement.

Neoprene is warmer and it does keep you warm even when
wet. I wouldn't feel safe wading in April and November with anything
else.

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"Tom Nakashima" wrote


I was just curious, has anyone ever had or come close to Hypothermia while
fishing in their waders?


I was lucky enough to be found and rescued in Maryland while in serious
condition from hypothermia, many many years ago .... I was duck hunting,
not fishing ... when found my brain function was already well impaired (
there's a joke opportunity here folks ) and I was randomly moving decoys and
had taken off my outer layer because I thought I was too warm ( they tell
me, I have little real memory, I was that far gone ).

Since then, I have paid more than average attention to the problem and I DO
have both neoprene and breathable waders


I almost never use the neoprenes. MY opinion is that state of the art
breathables lined and layered with SOA fleece garments is the best way to
go. The only time I use neoprenes at this point is when there is a high
chance of ripping the waders and in cold, remote, conditions ( mainly duck
hunting ) .... my belief, which I hope to never test, is that wet fleece
inside neoprene would be better than wet fleece inside breathables ... more
of a wet suit deal .... if you stay basically dry you'll stay warmer in the
breathables.

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"Larry L" wrote in

o
go. The only time I use neoprenes at this point is when there is a
high chance of ripping the waders and in cold, remote, conditions ( mainly
duck hunting ) .... my belief, which I hope to never test, is that wet
fleece inside neoprene would be better than wet fleece inside breathables
... more of a wet suit deal .... if you stay basically dry you'll stay
warmer in the breathables.


OH forgot, I'd prefer to fall and tumble down stream fighting to regain the
shore in neoprenes over the same battle in breathables, too .... they help
you float, sort of. But I don't do any rough and tumble wading at this
point in my life, terrible ankle, bad knees, bad center of gravity .... and
didn't think of this at first.

Neoprenes would be a good choice for big tumbling winter water .... and they
aren't that much $$$ really ...

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Larry L wrote:


I almost never use the neoprenes. MY opinion is that state of the art
breathables lined and layered with SOA fleece garments is the best way to
go.

.....that'll keep you warm too, as long as you do not take a plunge.
Then you'll freeze your butt. Neoprene is better at keeping you warm
even when you've filled up with water.......neoprene also tend to fit
tighter,
so you don't fill up with as many gallons if you do go for a swim,
belt or no belt.

I've been pretty close to wally world several times, due to
hypothermia.
But it never had anything to do with waders. Maybe that's because
I've always been wading in neoprene, when wading **** happened.

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"Tom Nakashima" wrote in
:

I was just curious, has anyone ever had or come close to Hypothermia
while fishing in their waders?
All I have is a set of breathable lightweight waders, but I layer
pretty heavily in extreme cold water conditions, and so far the cold
hasn't bothered me to the point of shivering. I usually out of the
water before that, but there were times when I'm in the water for a
long period of time. A few of my friends suggested I should get a good
set of neoprene waders, just haven't forked the bucks yet. Others have
told me neoprene is a waste of money. It might be handy to have a 2nd
pair of waders. Comments on neoprene waders? Good brands?
fwiw,
-tom



The trick that the die hard steelheaders around here use is BOOTFOOT
neoprene waders. The heavy contiguous bootfoot keeps the water further
away than the stocking foot with a separate boot, and there's usually more
room in there for heavier socks. The boot should be loose to promote
circulation.

--
Scott
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"salmobytes" wrote

....that'll keep you warm too, as long as you do not take a plunge.
Then you'll freeze your butt. Neoprene is better at keeping you warm
even when you've filled up with water.......neoprene also tend to fit
tighter,
so you don't fill up with as many gallons if you do go for a swim,
belt or no belt.



Yes, the more I think about it the more I'd want neoprenes in a really bad
situation ... cold, wet, far from help, me and the boat no longer connected,
etc ...

My first thought was mainly about comfort and I DO stay more comfortable in
breathables in chilly weather fishing ... but, again, neoprenes provide more
insurance against the unexpected

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Tom Nakashima wrote:
I was just curious, has anyone ever had or come close to Hypothermia while
fishing in their waders?....

Well, it's never happened to ME......but, yes, that is by FAR the most
common scenario.

Wolfgang
i mean, come on, gentlemen.......let's be honest here.

Hypothermia/ neoprene waders?
 

Tom Nakashima wrote:
I was just curious, has anyone ever had or come close to Hypothermia while
fishing in their waders?
All I have is a set of breathable lightweight waders, but I layer pretty
heavily in extreme cold water conditions, and so far the cold hasn't
bothered me to the point of shivering. I usually out of the water before
that, but there were times when I'm in the water for a long period of time.
A few of my friends suggested I should get a good set of neoprene waders,
just haven't forked the bucks yet. Others have told me neoprene is a waste
of money. It might be handy to have a 2nd pair of waders.
Comments on neoprene waders? Good brands?
fwiw,
-tom

I have both. Fished in 24 degree temp 34 degree water yesterday with
the breathables.
10 to 20 mph winds. Used the neoprenes the day before. It was much
warmer. 26 degrees.
I noticed no difference. The only thing that got cold was my hands. If
you layer the breathbles with under armor, then fleece, they are just
as warm as neoprene. I think the best
would be breathable with attached boots. Hard to find correct size for
me though.

Hypothermia/ neoprene waders?
 

"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
...
I was just curious, has anyone ever had or come close to Hypothermia while
fishing in their waders?
All I have is a set of breathable lightweight waders, but I layer pretty
heavily in extreme cold water conditions, and so far the cold hasn't
bothered me to the point of shivering. I usually out of the water before
that, but there were times when I'm in the water for a long period of
time. A few of my friends suggested I should get a good set of neoprene
waders, just haven't forked the bucks yet. Others have told me neoprene is
a waste of money. It might be handy to have a 2nd pair of waders.
Comments on neoprene waders? Good brands?
few,
-tom


I have always used breathable waders w fleece or Patagonia underwear in
differing weights depending upon the temps
I do not like the feel of neoprene!
and I have always been warm enough even on the coldest days.
I find it much more supple or flexible layered in this fashion than with
neoprene.

Fleece will also retain heat when wet.
- The above I learned from experience - having flipped over a raft in early
spring on the North Fork of the Flathead River
a few years ago.
My wet fleece garments kept me warm

Fred

Hypothermia/ neoprene waders?
 

On Fri, 8 Dec 2006 14:04:05 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:

I was just curious, has anyone ever had or come close to Hypothermia while
fishing in their waders?

I've never willingly gotten anywhere close to hypothermia doing
anything, and of the few things I would risk getting even close to
hypothermia trying to accomplish, no recreational activities are on the
list. Hypothermia while fishing isn't "an accident," it is the result
of willingly-made poor choice(s), much like the poor ******* who killed
himself and damned near killed his family recently (in Oregon).

All I have is a set of breathable lightweight waders, but I layer pretty
heavily in extreme cold water conditions, and so far the cold hasn't
bothered me to the point of shivering. I usually out of the water before
that, but there were times when I'm in the water for a long period of time.
A few of my friends suggested I should get a good set of neoprene waders,
just haven't forked the bucks yet. Others have told me neoprene is a waste
of money. It might be handy to have a 2nd pair of waders.
Comments on neoprene waders? Good brands?
fwiw,
-tom

Uh, yeah...thank God someone invented Neoprene so that people could
survive fishing in cold weather...

If you simply wish to take advantage of this or that "modern"
technology, fine, but don't lose sight of two things: 1. People managed
to not only survive, but do fairly well without any of it, and 2. If
what you have ain't broke, fixing it really isn't a necessity. IOW,
nobody _needs_ Neoprene waders. If you feel you need "peer approval" to
go buy what you want, if in fact you just _want_ Neoprene waders, why?

TC,
R

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wrote:
Hypothermia while fishing isn't "an accident," it is the result
of willingly-made poor choice(s), much like the poor ******* who killed
himself and damned near killed his family recently (in Oregon).


That's not fair unless you equate human error to poor choice. After
missing his turn James Kim accidentally drove up a road that is usually
closed in winter. I say accidentally because it has since emerged that
vandals cut the chains to the gates. And after 9 days of sitting in the
wilderness with your gas gone, tires burned, an infant and child
suckling from their mother, I'd offer that most of us would have made
that attempt to walk out for help. Had he survived long enough to go
one more mile there was food and shelter to last them the whole winter.
Very sad.

--
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Scott Seidman wrote:


The trick that the die hard steelheaders around here use is BOOTFOOT
neoprene waders. The heavy contiguous bootfoot keeps the water further
away than the stocking foot with a separate boot, and there's usually more
room in there for heavier socks. The boot should be loose to promote
circulation.


I had a bootfoot pair of neoprenes for years. Replaced them with
stockingfoot, and found that if you are doi8ng a great deal of walking,
the stockingfoots are way more comfortable.

Pete Collin

Hypothermia/ neoprene waders?
 

On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 12:57:24 -0500, GM wrote:

wrote:
Hypothermia while fishing isn't "an accident," it is the result
of willingly-made poor choice(s), much like the poor ******* who killed
himself and damned near killed his family recently (in Oregon).


That's not fair unless you equate human error to poor choice. After
missing his turn James Kim accidentally drove up a road that is usually
closed in winter. I say accidentally because it has since emerged that
vandals cut the chains to the gates. And after 9 days of sitting in the
wilderness with your gas gone, tires burned, an infant and child
suckling from their mother, I'd offer that most of us would have made
that attempt to walk out for help. Had he survived long enough to go
one more mile there was food and shelter to last them the whole winter.
Very sad.

It is very sad. But anyone who makes the choice to take a route they
are uncertain about, in those conditions, when other much safer routes
are readily available has made a poor choice, and when they choose to do
it with an infant and a small child, it's another poor choice. It
doesn't make he or he and his wife wrong or "guilty" of anything, but it
was still a poor choice.

TC,
R

Hypothermia/ neoprene waders?
 

wrote:
On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 12:57:24 -0500, GM wrote:

wrote:
Hypothermia while fishing isn't "an accident," it is the result
of willingly-made poor choice(s), much like the poor ******* who killed
himself and damned near killed his family recently (in Oregon).


That's not fair unless you equate human error to poor choice. After
missing his turn James Kim accidentally drove up a road that is usually
closed in winter. I say accidentally because it has since emerged that
vandals cut the chains to the gates. And after 9 days of sitting in the
wilderness with your gas gone, tires burned, an infant and child
suckling from their mother, I'd offer that most of us would have made
that attempt to walk out for help. Had he survived long enough to go
one more mile there was food and shelter to last them the whole winter.
Very sad.

It is very sad. But anyone who makes the choice to take a route they
are uncertain about, in those conditions, when other much safer routes
are readily available has made a poor choice, and when they choose to do
it with an infant and a small child, it's another poor choice. It
doesn't make he or he and his wife wrong or "guilty" of anything, but it
was still a poor choice.

O.k., anybody, what's funnier than dicklet in ROFF bleating about poor
choices? :)

Wolfgang
oprah absinthe emeril absinthe oprah oprah

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"Peter A. Collin" wrote in
:

Scott Seidman wrote:


The trick that the die hard steelheaders around here use is BOOTFOOT
neoprene waders. The heavy contiguous bootfoot keeps the water
further away than the stocking foot with a separate boot, and there's
usually more room in there for heavier socks. The boot should be
loose to promote circulation.


I had a bootfoot pair of neoprenes for years. Replaced them with
stockingfoot, and found that if you are doi8ng a great deal of
walking, the stockingfoots are way more comfortable.

Pete Collin


That's certainly true. So long as the boots fit loose enough, and you're
wearing the right kind of socks, you should be OK. I don't like or wear
bootfoots myself.

Another trick is to find something besides felt soles, so you're not
walking on ice!


--
Scott
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"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
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"Peter A. Collin" wrote in
:

Scott Seidman wrote:


The trick that the die hard steelheaders around here use is BOOTFOOT
neoprene waders. The heavy contiguous bootfoot keeps the water
further away than the stocking foot with a separate boot, and there's
usually more room in there for heavier socks. The boot should be
loose to promote circulation.


I had a bootfoot pair of neoprenes for years. Replaced them with
stockingfoot, and found that if you are doi8ng a great deal of
walking, the stockingfoots are way more comfortable.

Pete Collin


That's certainly true. So long as the boots fit loose enough, and you're
wearing the right kind of socks, you should be OK. I don't like or wear
bootfoots myself.

Another trick is to find something besides felt soles, so you're not
walking on ice!


--
Scott
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I like my breathable stockingfoot waders, I layer underarmor, poly-pros, and
fleece as necessary for conditions, works well for me. As far as felt soles
go, my wife just bought me a pair of Korkers, I will be testing the
different interchangeable soles as often as she lets me this winter. Anyone
here have any input/opinions on Korkers?

Jeremy Moe

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"pete z" wrote in message
ups.com...


I have both. Fished in 24 degree temp 34 degree water yesterday with
the breathables.
10 to 20 mph winds. Used the neoprenes the day before. It was much
warmer. 26 degrees.
I noticed no difference. The only thing that got cold was my hands. If
you layer the breathbles with under armor, then fleece, they are just
as warm as neoprene. I think the best
would be breathable with attached boots. Hard to find correct size for
me though.


I very much enjoyed reading all the post. Good test Pete, I believe you
summed it up for me.
-tom