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Opus December 12th, 2006 11:13 PM

Barak Hussein Obama? or Barak Hussein Osama?
 
Has anyone else seen how the RIGHT is trying to use Obama's name against
him?

It's really quite comical.

Op



GM December 13th, 2006 01:08 AM

Barak Hussein Obama? or Barak Hussein Osama?
 
Opus wrote:
Has anyone else seen how the RIGHT is trying to use Obama's name against
him?

It's really quite comical.



I saw something on CNN, or MSNBC today where they asked people if the US
was doing enough to capture Barack Obama. Hilarious responses.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com


David Oznot December 13th, 2006 03:18 AM

Barak Hussein Obama? or Barak Hussein Osama?
 
Opus wrote:
Has anyone else seen how the RIGHT is trying to use Obama's name against
him?


Barak will be the first president since Clinton who
can actually talk.

Tim J. December 13th, 2006 03:23 AM

Barak Hussein Obama? or Barak Hussein Osama?
 

Opus typed:
Has anyone else seen how the RIGHT is trying to use Obama's name
against him?

It's really quite comical.


Ted Kennedy is on the right? And no one told me?
http://latefinal.com/archives/2005/01/osama_obama.html
--
TL,
Tim
(if *anything* would make me dress to the left, that would be the
thing.)
---------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj/



Opus December 13th, 2006 03:30 AM

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"David Oznot" wrote in message
. ..
Opus wrote:
Has anyone else seen how the RIGHT is trying to use Obama's name against
him?


Barak will be the first president since Clinton who
can actually talk.


Possibly, but the question remains: Does Barak Hussein Obama still present
a threat to this country. :~^ )

Honestly, I think he should sit out this time around. He needs to get some
political time under his belt. He seems intelligent, articulate, and he is
a personable individual, but that don't necessarily make him presidential
material. We've got a moron for president now, we don't want a bright
individual who isn't mature enough to handle the issues that will be thrown
at him in that office.

I say let the Dems screw up by nominating Hillary--against her will--lose
the 2008 election and then in 4 years Obama and Edwards can run as
Independents and take all.

It'll be great for the country!

Op



xorbit December 13th, 2006 03:39 AM

Barak Hussein Obama? or Barak Hussein Osama?
 


Opus wrote:

Has anyone else seen how the RIGHT is trying to use Obama's name against
him?

It's really quite comical.

Op


Ted Kennedy did a pretty good job on his own.

Obama needs a few more years under his belt.



Opus December 13th, 2006 03:40 AM

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"Tim J." wrote in message
...

Opus typed:
Has anyone else seen how the RIGHT is trying to use Obama's name
against him?

It's really quite comical.


Ted Kennedy is on the right? And no one told me?
http://latefinal.com/archives/2005/01/osama_obama.html
--
TL,
Tim
(if *anything* would make me dress to the left, that would be the thing.)


Okay, I stand corrected. Though I was actually thinking of this exchange:

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/election...ame_is_hussein

Although, in my defense, I always have said that both the Dems and the
Repubs are morons.

Ted Kennedy is such a class act too!



[email protected] December 13th, 2006 03:58 AM

Barak Hussein Obama? or Barak Hussein Osama?
 
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:08:21 -0500, GM wrote:

Opus wrote:
Has anyone else seen how the RIGHT is trying to use Obama's name against
him?

It's really quite comical.



I saw something on CNN, or MSNBC today where they asked people if the US
was doing enough to capture Barack Obama. Hilarious responses.


Well, the US oughta just nuke Freedonia right off the map unless they
turn him over immediately!

Cyli December 13th, 2006 04:02 AM

Barak Hussein Obama? or Barak Hussein Osama?
 
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:30:55 -0500, "Opus"
wrote:

\

I say let the Dems screw up by nominating Hillary--against her will--lose
the 2008 election and then in 4 years Obama and Edwards can run as
Independents and take all.


I do hope that Hillary will never run for president, nor even vice.
First, I don't think a woman can be elected president any time in the
next decade or two. Second, Hillary has so much baggage that it'd bog
her right down.
--

r.bc: vixen
Speaker to squirrels, willow watcher, etc..
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless. Really.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

Opus December 13th, 2006 04:18 AM

Barak Hussein Obama? or Barak Hussein Osama?
 

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:08:21 -0500, GM wrote:

Opus wrote:
Has anyone else seen how the RIGHT is trying to use Obama's name against
him?

It's really quite comical.



I saw something on CNN, or MSNBC today where they asked people if the US
was doing enough to capture Barack Obama. Hilarious responses.


Well, the US oughta just nuke Freedonia right off the map unless they
turn him over immediately!


Were you the only incoming freshmen congressional representative interviewed
by Spy magazine?

Op



Opus December 13th, 2006 04:36 AM

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"Cyli" wrote in message
...

I do hope that Hillary will never run for president, nor even vice.
First, I don't think a woman can be elected president any time in the
next decade or two. Second, Hillary has so much baggage that it'd bog
her right down.
--

r.bc: vixen


I'm afraid that ego will trump intellect, in her case. Just as it has in
Rah Dean's case, that is, if he had any intellect.

What's more distressing is that the Dem. party machine will likely think
nominating her is the right idea.

I really want to see a Hillary Clinton/George Clooney vs. Sam Brownback/Rick
Santorum election. This country ain't near ****ed-up enough, let's go all
the way!

Op



Opus December 13th, 2006 04:58 AM

Barak Hussein Obama? or Barak Hussein Osama?
 

"xorbit" wrote in message
...


Opus wrote:

Has anyone else seen how the RIGHT is trying to use Obama's name against
him?

It's really quite comical.

Op


Ted Kennedy did a pretty good job on his own.


As Mr. Tim Johnson pointed out to me earlier.

Obama needs a few more years under his belt.


Agreed. I'd also like to know how far back his family ties to Saddam
Hussein go?

Obama just barely is a citizen, I might add:

Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, August 4, 1961
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

Hawaii Statehood: August 21, 1959
http://www.hawaiischoolreports.com/h.../statehood.htm

Op




Cyli December 13th, 2006 05:08 AM

Barak Hussein Obama? or Barak Hussein Osama?
 
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:58:06 -0500, "Opus"
wrote:


Obama just barely is a citizen, I might add:

Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, August 4, 1961
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

Hawaii Statehood: August 21, 1959
http://www.hawaiischoolreports.com/h.../statehood.htm

Op


Wouldn't he have been a citizen even if Hawaii never changed from
territory (or protectorate or whatever) to state? I suspect that
anyone born in Puerto Rico is a U.S. citizen, for instance.
--

r.bc: vixen
Speaker to squirrels, willow watcher, etc..
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless. Really.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

Opus December 13th, 2006 05:15 AM

Barak Hussein Obama? or Barak Hussein Osama?
 

"Cyli" wrote in message
...

Wouldn't he have been a citizen even if Hawaii never changed from
territory (or protectorate or whatever) to state? I suspect that
anyone born in Puerto Rico is a U.S. citizen, for instance.
--

r.bc: vixen


Well yeah, but that doesn't fit well with my conspiracy theory!

For future reference, I don't need no stinkin' FACT finders assistin' me in
my endeavors to persevere! :~^ )

Op



Opus December 13th, 2006 05:34 AM

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"Cyli" wrote in message
...
Wouldn't he have been a citizen even if Hawaii never changed from
territory (or protectorate or whatever) to state? I suspect that
anyone born in Puerto Rico is a U.S. citizen, for instance.
--

r.bc: vixen


Can territorial citizens be President?

Op



GM December 13th, 2006 01:33 PM

Barak Hussein Obama? or Barak Hussein Osama?
 
Cyli wrote:

I do hope that Hillary will never run for president, nor even vice.
First, I don't think a woman can be elected president any time in the
next decade or two. Second, Hillary has so much baggage that it'd bog
her right down.


The buzz around Barack is happening too early and he realizes this, as
evidenced in his own comments at last week's NH book signing, town-hall
thing. His flame could burn bright and brief, at least for the 08
contest. I do like his message though: amongst other things, the
audacious hope that a campaign can be fought with a respect for the
opponent. I just wonder if he'll still walk on water when he realizes he
has to go negative, either as a first strike, or in retaliation?

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com


Wolfgang December 13th, 2006 02:15 PM

Barak Hussein Obama? or Barak Hussein Osama?
 

"Opus" wrote in message
...

"Cyli" wrote in message
...
Wouldn't he have been a citizen even if Hawaii never changed from
territory (or protectorate or whatever) to state? I suspect that
anyone born in Puerto Rico is a U.S. citizen, for instance.
--

r.bc: vixen


Can territorial citizens be President?


Well, presidents have, for the most part, been territorial.

Wolfgang
who, although not certain of much, rests assured that this observation is at
least as valuable as most of the political pearls cast before this audience.



Ken Fortenberry December 13th, 2006 02:16 PM

Barak Hussein Obama? or Barak Hussein Osama?
 
GM wrote:

... I just wonder if he'll still walk on water when he realizes he
has to go negative, either as a first strike, or in retaliation?


Don't worry about Barack Obama's fighting ability. He's won,
and lost, elections for the Illinois legislature and Illinois
politics is anything but genteel.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Opus December 13th, 2006 02:24 PM

Barak Hussein Obama? or Barak Hussein Osama?
 

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

Well, presidents have, for the most part, been territorial.

Wolfgang
who, although not certain of much, rests assured that this observation is
at least as valuable as most of the political pearls cast before this
audience.


Okay, but could a Puerto Rican or Samoan citizen become POTUS?

Op



Conan The Librarian December 13th, 2006 02:29 PM

Barak Hussein Obama? or Barak Hussein Osama?
 
Cyli wrote:

I do hope that Hillary will never run for president, nor even vice.
First, I don't think a woman can be elected president any time in the
next decade or two. Second, Hillary has so much baggage that it'd bog
her right down.


Not that I disagree with you, but evidently at least one big name on
the right has a different take. It appears DeLay thinks Hillary will be
elected in 2008 and will tab Obama as her veep:
http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=28995

Of course he goes on to blame it on the media working in concert
with a "liberal coalition" run by Carville, Blumenthal, Begala and Ickes.

He also says Obama has the record of a "leftist-Marxist".


Chuck Vance (of course this could all just be scare tactics on
his part)


Wolfgang December 13th, 2006 02:36 PM

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"Opus" wrote in message
...

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

Well, presidents have, for the most part, been territorial.

Wolfgang
who, although not certain of much, rests assured that this observation is
at least as valuable as most of the political pearls cast before this
audience.


Okay, but could a Puerto Rican or Samoan citizen become POTUS?


According to the information presented he

http://topuertorico.org/government.shtml

Puerto Ricans can't vote for president. I'd be careful about drawing hard
and fast conclusions, but it seems to me that if you can't vote for it is
unlikely that you can be.

Samoans, on the other hand (or, at least the ones I've seen) tend to be
large and rather fierce looking. I'm not going to tell them what they may
or may not do or be.

Wolfgang



[email protected] December 13th, 2006 02:48 PM

Barak Hussein Obama? or Barak Hussein Osama?
 
On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:16:22 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

GM wrote:

... I just wonder if he'll still walk on water when he realizes he
has to go negative, either as a first strike, or in retaliation?


Don't worry about Barack Obama's fighting ability. He's won,
and lost, elections for the Illinois legislature and Illinois
politics is anything but genteel.


Er, yeah...he's the regular Fightin' Illini of politics...and in his
last "game," the opposition sent the cheerleaders, but forgot to bring
the actual team to the stadium...


Scott Seidman December 13th, 2006 03:04 PM

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Conan The Librarian wrote in news:elp2ei$11bm$1
@news.swt.edu:

Cyli wrote:

I do hope that Hillary will never run for president, nor even vice.
First, I don't think a woman can be elected president any time in the
next decade or two. Second, Hillary has so much baggage that it'd bog
her right down.


Not that I disagree with you, but evidently at least one big name on
the right has a different take. It appears DeLay thinks Hillary will be
elected in 2008 and will tab Obama as her veep:
http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=28995

Of course he goes on to blame it on the media working in concert
with a "liberal coalition" run by Carville, Blumenthal, Begala and Ickes.

He also says Obama has the record of a "leftist-Marxist".


Chuck Vance (of course this could all just be scare tactics on
his part)



He's just spreading rumors to secretly promote anyone who he thinks will be
strong on prison reform.

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

rb608 December 13th, 2006 03:15 PM

Barak Hussein Obama? or Barak Hussein Osama?
 
Conan The Librarian wrote:
It appears DeLay thinks Hillary will be
elected in 2008 and will tab Obama as her veep:


I would humbly suggest that taking anything the bugman says at face
value would be foolish.

Joe F.


Opus December 13th, 2006 03:47 PM

Barak Hussein Obama? or Barak Hussein Osama?
 

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

"Opus" wrote in message
...

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

Well, presidents have, for the most part, been territorial.

Wolfgang
who, although not certain of much, rests assured that this observation
is
at least as valuable as most of the political pearls cast before this
audience.


Okay, but could a Puerto Rican or Samoan citizen become POTUS?


According to the information presented he

http://topuertorico.org/government.shtml

Puerto Ricans can't vote for president. I'd be careful about drawing hard
and fast conclusions, but it seems to me that if you can't vote for it is
unlikely that you can be.


I found that same info, basically, when I searched. I too thought that if
Puerto Ricans were unable to vote for POTUS that they might be denied the
right to become POTUS, if it is in fact a right, that is?

I've not been able to find any thing definitive on the subject. the U.S.
Constitution just says:

Clause 5:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States,
at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the
Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who
shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen
Years a Resident within the United States.
http://www.law.emory.edu/cms/site/in...p?id=3085#7662

There is this also:

Persons born in Puerto Rico acquire U.S. citizenship under 8 U.S.C. 1402,
which is part of the U.S. Immigration and Nationality Act. This is statutory
citizenship rather than citizenship arising from birth or naturalization in
a state of the union under the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
http://www.puertorico-herald.org/iss...nship-en.shtml

XIV Amendment
Section 1


The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other
election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice
President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied
or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay
any poll tax or other tax.
http://www.law.emory.edu/cms/site/in...p?id=3085#7662


Samoans, on the other hand (or, at least the ones I've seen) tend to be
large and rather fierce looking. I'm not going to tell them what they may
or may not do or be.



I'm with ya on this one!

Op --just curious about this, more than anything.--



Wolfgang







Opus December 13th, 2006 03:49 PM

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"Conan The Librarian" wrote in message
...

He also says Obama has the record of a "leftist-Marxist".


Well this alone assures him of my vote!

Op

Chuck Vance (of course this could all just be scare tactics on his
part)




Opus December 13th, 2006 03:50 PM

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"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
. 1.4...

He's just spreading rumors to secretly promote anyone who he thinks will
be
strong on prison reform.

--
Scott


I sure hope he gets the chance to find out about prison culture!

Op



Scott Seidman December 13th, 2006 03:58 PM

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"Opus" wrote in :


"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
. 1.4...

He's just spreading rumors to secretly promote anyone who he thinks
will be
strong on prison reform.

--
Scott


I sure hope he gets the chance to find out about prison culture!

Op




You and me both, Op. Even better if they can get him in a TX state
facility.

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

[email protected] December 13th, 2006 04:14 PM

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On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:33:17 -0500, GM wrote:

Cyli wrote:

I do hope that Hillary will never run for president, nor even vice.
First, I don't think a woman can be elected president any time in the
next decade or two. Second, Hillary has so much baggage that it'd bog
her right down.


The buzz around Barack is happening too early and he realizes this, as
evidenced in his own comments at last week's NH book signing, town-hall
thing.


Or his Bears' pregame "announcement"...

His flame could burn bright and brief, at least for the 08
contest. I do like his message though: amongst other things, the
audacious hope that a campaign can be fought with a respect for the
opponent. I just wonder if he'll still walk on water when he realizes he
has to go negative, either as a first strike, or in retaliation?


If he joins up with McCain, they could both ignore whoever the opponents
wind up being. If it does wind up being he and Hillary in a contest for
Dem nominee, he won't need to "go negative" - the GOP and everyone else
to the right of, oh, say, Michael Moore will do it for him. And
speaking of idiots, Hillary and the Clintonistas seem to be right on
schedule to **** up Hillary's chances by continuing to do what they do -
attempting to rat**** _anyone_, including the voters, that they see as
"in the way."

If he's the Dem nominee, his objective negatives (no real experience, no
real record at any level - no "yardstick"), combined with subjective
negatives (he's a Dem, he's too black, he's not black enough, he's not
"liberal"/"conservative" enough, he's too "liberal"/ "conservative,"
he's too young, etc.), will likely combine to get him defeated THIS TIME
if the GOP puts up anyone short of maybe Pat Robertson. If it's McCain,
Obama's done. They are both, as pols go, good men, but McCain has the
name and the record, and if he goes (really) negative on McCain, he's
_really_ done. IMO, though, if they are steering their own ships,
neither would go unduly (and subjectively) negative on the other.

If he's smart, whether he joins McCain or not, he will take a page from
his playbook: don't go (subjectively) negative _against anyone_ and be
thought of as one of the "good guys" by the entire center.

And anyone wanna bet that Hillary (or her campaign) will bring up his
skin color at least once?

R

Opus December 13th, 2006 04:24 PM

Barak Hussein Obama? or Barak Hussein Osama?
 

"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
. 1.4...

You and me both, Op. Even better if they can get him in a TX state
facility.

--
Scott


Sadly, you and I both know he isn't likely to get any prison time and if he
did it would be in a Club Fed facility. That's the way the system works,
when you are connected politically or you have wealth.

Think Michael Milkin and Ivan Boesky!

"in Wall Street's biggest criminal prosecution ever, 98 indictments of fraud
and racketeering were brought against Milkin. On April 14, 1990 Milkin was
sentenced to ten years in jail and agreed to pay $600 million in fines."
http://www.brainyhistory.com/events/...93_167702.html

Milkin entered a minimum-security facility at Pleasanton, California in
1991. Two years later he was diagnosed with prostate cancer, and his prison
sentence was reduced to time served. He was given 12 to 18 months to live.
Milkin established Cap CURE, and raised $75 million to fund research into
finding a cure for prostate cancer. In 1996 he and his brother Lowell
founded Knowledge Universe, an educational services company which in a few
years time was logging $1.5 billion in sales annually. In 1997 the Milkin
Institute, an economics think tank, was created. The following year,
Milkin's The Taste for Living Cookbook became a bestseller.
http://eightiesclub.tripod.com/id316.htm

On May 18, 1986 Ivan Boesky gave the commencement address at Milkin's alma
mater, the University of California at Berkeley's business school. "I think
greed is healthy," he told his enthusiastic audience. "You can be greedy
and still feel good about yourself." A few months later Boesky was indicted
on the charges that would land him in Southern California's Lompoc Federal
Prison, also known as Club Fed West.
http://eightiesclub.tripod.com/id316.htm


Op ----



[email protected] December 13th, 2006 04:35 PM

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On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 08:29:13 -0600, Conan The Librarian
wrote:

Cyli wrote:

I do hope that Hillary will never run for president, nor even vice.
First, I don't think a woman can be elected president any time in the
next decade or two. Second, Hillary has so much baggage that it'd bog
her right down.


Not that I disagree with you, but evidently at least one big name on
the right has a different take.


"Big name on the right?" Please. DeLay is a crooked little turd who
got a well-deserved flush down the drain.

It appears DeLay thinks Hillary will be elected in 2008 and will tab
Obama as her veep:
http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=28995


Golly! Whoda thunk DeLay could imagine something so original?

Of course he goes on to blame it on the media working in concert
with a "liberal coalition" run by Carville, Blumenthal, Begala and Ickes.

He also says Obama has the record of a "leftist-Marxist".


Well, to give credit where it's due, he's right about that - Obama's
record as an elected US legislator is very similar to that of Karl
Marx...or Henry VIII...

Chuck Vance (of course this could all just be scare tactics on
his part)


Yeah, he's scared his silly-assed little blog managed to con the only
100 suckers out of 52 bucks it'll ever be able to con...

R

Traveler December 13th, 2006 04:42 PM

Barak Hussein Obama? or Barak Hussein Osama?
 
He also says Obama has the record of a "leftist-Marxist".

Well this alone assures him of my vote!


I am not sure that a socialist in the Whitehouse, be it Hillary or
Obama, would be beneficial to this nation. The expansion of the failure
of Great Society, and allowing every group to claim civil rights
recognition, can only polarize this nation to a new higher level.

As for Obama being a moderate (the often claim of the major media),
consider the following:

http://www.adaction.org/
The ADA Today

Barack Obama (Illinois) Liberal Quotent (LQ) Rating: 100 (out of 100)
The rating of 100 is considered [perfect].

From the ADA newsletter:


" Liberal Quotient (LQ) is the rating of a Member of Congress
determined by the percentage of votes cast in support of
liberal policies, measured against the number of votes
counted. The votes selected cover the full spectrum of
domestic, foreign, economic, military, environmental and
social issues. We often chose procedural votes,
amendments, motions to table, or votes on rules for
debate. These votes can reveal true attitudes obscured
in final votes. "

And from the opposite side of the political spectrum:

http://www.conservative.org/archive2/2008potus.asp

The American Conservative Union gave Obama a score of 8 (also out of
100). Even Hillary managed a 12 from this organization.


Ken Fortenberry December 13th, 2006 04:49 PM

Barak Hussein Obama? or Barak Hussein Osama?
 
wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Don't worry about Barack Obama's fighting ability. He's won,
and lost, elections for the Illinois legislature and Illinois
politics is anything but genteel.


Er, yeah...he's the regular Fightin' Illini of politics...and in his
last "game," the opposition sent the cheerleaders, but forgot to bring
the actual team to the stadium...


The general election of the 2004 Senate race wasn't the "game", it
was a foregone conclusion, the knock down drag out happened in the
Democratic primary as anyone who had even a cursory understanding
of Illinois politics would well know.

--
Ken Fortenberry

[email protected] December 13th, 2006 04:52 PM

Barak Hussein Obama? or Barak Hussein Osama?
 
On 13 Dec 2006 15:58:21 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

"Opus" wrote in :


"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
. 1.4...

He's just spreading rumors to secretly promote anyone who he thinks
will be
strong on prison reform.

--
Scott


I sure hope he gets the chance to find out about prison culture!

Op




You and me both, Op. Even better if they can get him in a TX state
facility.


Thus demonstrating your and Op's political acumen. If an
equally-crooked nest-feathering partisan ****ass tries to put the little
turd in a Texas prison (esp. on trumped-up charges of which he's likely
not guilty), it makes a martyr out of him (and one with a legit outcry).
Let him run around with his cakehole open, and he marginalizes himself
even further than he already is. There's no worse punishment for a
creature like DeLay. In the event any real evidence of his actual
crimes surface, let a USA (as non-partisan as possible) get him.

R

Opus December 13th, 2006 04:57 PM

Barak Hussein Obama? or Barak Hussein Osama?
 

wrote in message
...

Or his Bears' pregame "announcement"...


Not familiar with political humor, heh?

If he joins up with McCain, they could both ignore whoever the opponents
wind up being.


If he goes with McCain, all this talk about his intellect will have been for
naught.

If it does wind up being he and Hillary in a contest for
Dem nominee,


Well which will be Pres and which will be VP?

he won't need to "go negative" - the GOP and everyone else
to the right of, oh, say, Michael Moore will do it for him.


Well that is to be expected, I mean we are talking Dems. and Repubs., right?

And
speaking of idiots,


This is not about you Rah.

Hillary and the Clintonistas seem to be right on
schedule to **** up Hillary's chances by continuing to do what they do -
attempting to rat**** _anyone_, including the voters, that they see as
"in the way."


You reckon they shoot anyone in the face?

If he's the Dem nominee, his objective negatives (no real experience, no
real record at any level - no "yardstick"),


Pretty much like the last two Ps'OTUS, right. I mean former governors
aren't really qualified to hold the highest office in the land, right. But
of course, politics ain't about qualifications.

combined with subjective
negatives (he's a Dem, he's too black, he's not black enough, he's not
"liberal"/"conservative" enough, he's too "liberal"/ "conservative,"
he's too young, etc.), will likely combine to get him defeated THIS TIME
if the GOP puts up anyone short of maybe Pat Robertson.


Maybe he could get Colin Powell to run with him, he's got it all ya know.

Of course the Republicans are likely to run someone just to the right of
Satan, so they will have the best shot at getting their base vote anyway.

If it's McCain,
Obama's done. They are both, as pols go, good men, but McCain has the
name and the record, and if he goes (really) negative on McCain, he's
_really_ done. IMO, though, if they are steering their own ships,
neither would go unduly (and subjectively) negative on the other.


Yeah, wouldn't want to Swiftboat McCain the way Bush did. And of course
McCains age certainly won't figure in. Remeber, he no Ronny Reagan.

If he's smart, whether he joins McCain or not, he will take a page from
his playbook: don't go (subjectively) negative _against anyone_ and be
thought of as one of the "good guys" by the entire center.


That a great and positive Republican strategy, right.

And anyone wanna bet that Hillary (or her campaign) will bring up his
skin color at least once?


No, because neither will run this time out. Wanna bet on that?

Op

R




Wolfgang December 13th, 2006 04:59 PM

Barak Hussein Obama? or Barak Hussein Osama?
 

wrote in message
...
...Let him run around with his cakehole open, and he marginalizes himself
even further than he already is. There's no worse punishment for a
creature like [dicklet]....


O, irony, thy name is......well, you know.

Wolfgang
absinthe emeril latifah oprah oprah absinthe emril absinthe



Wolfgang December 13th, 2006 05:02 PM

Barak Hussein Obama? or Barak Hussein Osama?
 

"Traveler" wrote in message
oups.com...
He also says Obama has the record of a "leftist-Marxist".


Well this alone assures him of my vote!


I am not sure that a socialist in the Whitehouse, be it Hillary or
Obama, would be beneficial to this nation. The expansion of the failure
of Great Society, and allowing every group to claim civil rights
recognition, can only polarize this nation to a new higher level.

As for Obama being a moderate (the often claim of the major media),
consider the following:

http://www.adaction.org/
The ADA Today

Barack Obama (Illinois) Liberal Quotent (LQ) Rating: 100 (out of 100)
The rating of 100 is considered [perfect].

From the ADA newsletter:


" Liberal Quotient (LQ) is the rating of a Member of Congress
determined by the percentage of votes cast in support of
liberal policies, measured against the number of votes
counted. The votes selected cover the full spectrum of
domestic, foreign, economic, military, environmental and
social issues. We often chose procedural votes,
amendments, motions to table, or votes on rules for
debate. These votes can reveal true attitudes obscured
in final votes. "

And from the opposite side of the political spectrum:

http://www.conservative.org/archive2/2008potus.asp

The American Conservative Union gave Obama a score of 8 (also out of
100). Even Hillary managed a 12 from this organization.


Ah, yet another centrist political genius heard from!

Wolfgang
who would have thought that kennies and dicklets were incapable of
parthenogenesis.



[email protected] December 13th, 2006 05:04 PM

Barak Hussein Obama? or Barak Hussein Osama?
 
On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 16:49:54 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Don't worry about Barack Obama's fighting ability. He's won,
and lost, elections for the Illinois legislature and Illinois
politics is anything but genteel.


Er, yeah...he's the regular Fightin' Illini of politics...and in his
last "game," the opposition sent the cheerleaders, but forgot to bring
the actual team to the stadium...


The general election of the 2004 Senate race wasn't the "game", it
was a foregone conclusion, the knock down drag out happened in the
Democratic primary


"Knock down drag out," huh? Yeah, it was a real down-to-the-wire
nail-biter...what, 182% of the registered Dems voted for him, compared
to the next-place guy, a Chicago legacycrook, who only got, what,
101%...

as anyone who had even a cursory understanding
of Illinois politics would well know.


IOW, you don't have the slightest idea...and if you think winning some
Chicago ballot-box-stuffing contest is any real prep for a US-wide
Presidential race, you really are, um, way out there in left field...

HTH,
R

Opus December 13th, 2006 05:06 PM

Barak Hussein Obama? or Barak Hussein Osama?
 

"Traveler" wrote in message
oups.com...
He also says Obama has the record of a "leftist-Marxist".


Well this alone assures him of my vote!


I am not sure that a socialist in the Whitehouse, be it Hillary or
Obama, would be beneficial to this nation. The expansion of the failure
of Great Society, and allowing every group to claim civil rights
recognition, can only polarize this nation to a new higher level.


Well, as my previous comment was tongue and cheek, I must say that I would
much prefer extreme liberal, as we know it, to the totalitarian regime that
we presently have in office.

Besides, I would vote for a child molester or Satan before I'd vote for a
Dem. or Repub.!

Op



rb608 December 13th, 2006 05:25 PM

Barak Hussein Obama? or Barak Hussein Osama?
 
Opus wrote:
Besides, I would vote for a child molester or Satan before I'd vote for a
Dem. or Repub.!


Lest it need be said, those are not mutually exclusive. :-)

Joe F.



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