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Secret Weapon Sidearm - thanks for your help, ROFB
Chris Rennert's quote from ROFB on the page about our new Secret Weapon
Sidearm spinnerbait was so good that we use it on our Website (see link in sig, below). We held off releasing the bait to dealers and the public until New Year's Day weekend because we'd like it to be considered for best new bait of 2007. Of course, some of you have been using prototypes of this bait for several months. Our first tournament field test of this new spinnerbait design was at the ROFB Northwoods Classic last summer in Rhinelander, WI. Before moving the lure into production, we wanted to see how well they worked and whether anglers who were fishing for pride, money, or just the fun of competition would reach for these baits. As it turned out, several did, and they did all right. To those who helped us with field-testing, many thanks for your feedback. I think we've got an exciting addition to the Secret Weapon arsenal. If you want to give it a try, we've created a 50% discount code for ROFB members, good through the first week in January. Regards, and Happy New Year! Joe -------------------- Secret Weapon Lures Better designs... better performance... better results! SWL Sidearm: http://secretweaponlures.com/sidearm.htm 50% ROFB Member Discount (through Jan 7, 2007): rofb750 |
Secret Weapon Sidearm - thanks for your help, ROFB
Joe Haubenreich wrote:
SPAM snipped I'd like two fried eggs, over easy, with my SPAM. Thanks. -- Ken Fortenberry |
Secret Weapon Sidearm - thanks for your help, ROFB
You still eat that stuff?
Myself... I gotta lay off the fat. "Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message . net... Joe Haubenreich wrote: SPAM snipped I'd like two fried eggs, over easy, with my SPAM. Thanks. -- Ken Fortenberry |
Secret Weapon Sidearm - thanks for your help, ROFB
How about some wine with that too?
-- Chris S Replace com with net to e-mail --- "Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message . net... Joe Haubenreich wrote: SPAM snipped I'd like two fried eggs, over easy, with my SPAM. Thanks. -- Ken Fortenberry |
Secret Weapon Sidearm - thanks for your help, ROFB
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message . net... Joe Haubenreich wrote: SPAM snipped I'd like two fried eggs, over easy, with my SPAM. Thanks. -- Ken Fortenberry You eat at Hawaiian BBQ's? |
OTS... is SPAM in the eye of the beholder?
I defer to others' expertise regarding SPAM. Nobody I know is as finely
attuned to the nuances of SPAM or as dedicated to its eradication (good luck with that, by the way) as a few of our members are, so could I get someone to explain to me again exactly constitutes SPAM, please? Is it only SPAM if I post about a product in which I have some sort of financial interest? If I post about another company's product (not SWL) that is sold commercially, is that SPAM? As a hypothetical example, if I write "Wow, I really like the Bill Dance Porcupine Fish Attractor! I put out three the day before Christmas on Percy Priest, and I caught bass off them every day last week!" Is that SPAM? If I recommend the commercially-sold product (still not Secret Weapon), is that SPAM? Hypothetical example: "If you're thinking of putting out some fish attractors to create a milk run for your tournament season, do yourself a favor and consider the Bill Dance Porcupine Fish Attractor. They're the best I've ever seen... easy to assemble and place, lures don't hang up on them, and they attract fish!" If I mention the price of that product, or where it can be purchased, is that SPAM? Example: "You can buy the entire Bill Dance Porcupine Fish Attractor as a set for $42.05, complete with PVC hub and pipe. Or, you can do what I did -- buy a bag of three hubs at Bass Pro Shops for $47.05 and use scrap PVC pipe from a construction site to finish them off." If I let people know about a way to win that product for free, or let them know about a great deal on products, is that SPAM? Hypothetical example: "During the fishing tackle show season, look up the fella who came up with this idea, and you can get a great discount -- up to 33% off -- at the shows. He's usually in Memphis, Little Rock, Louisville, and other shows around the mid-South." If I have become acquainted with a business owner and I recommend his product and tell where one can buy it and the selling price, but I have no vested interest, is that SPAM? Hypothetically: "I met the inventor, Larry Harper, and he is one of the nicest gentlemen you'll ever meet. Listening to him describe how he came up with the idea and what he went through to manufacture was fascinating. I'm looking forward to fishing with him this spring. He told me he's trying to get the fish attractors in Dick's and Sportsman's Warehouse this spring, so I'll probably stop by there and pick up a few more before tournaments start." Say one of our customers uses and recommends Secret Weapon Lures products and were to learn that we're offering a certain product to ROFB members at a 50% discount, if he posts that information here, is that SPAM? Is it SPAM when a business owner gives away product and posts an announcement here? Hypothetically, if I were to write that anyone who comes to the Northwoods Classic will receive any Secret Weapon Lures of his choice absolutely free, would that cross the SPAM line? Would it be SPAM if a buddy of mine posted about it? Like if Chris Rennert were to write, "I received one of the new Secret Weapon Sidearm Spinnerbaits at the Northwoods Classic, and it quickly became one of my favorite baits. I caught fish on it at that event and every time I've thrown it since then (hypothetical situation, again). Secret Weapon was making and giving these away at the NWC, as they do every year." What if the business owner was selling the product at or below his cost (no profit on the transaction). Would that be SPAM? If someone else not a part of Secret Weapon Lures learned about the at-cost sale somehow and passed the information along here, knowing that there would be people here who would want to take advantage of the opportunity, would that be SPAM? In order not to SPAM the group, would it be ok to create a special page on our Web site and then refer people to the page in a post on ROFB? What would we have to write (or not write) in order to keep it from being SPAM? If I put a line in my signature that reads, "Check our special ROFB-Members Only offers" and include a link to the Web page, would that be SPAM? Thanks in advance for the clarification. Regards, Joe -------------------- Secret Weapon Lures http://secretweaponlures.com "Over $3,000 in ROFB Product/Service Donations Since 2001" ------------------------- |
OTS... is SPAM in the eye of the beholder?
Joe Haubenreich wrote:
I defer to others' expertise regarding SPAM. Nobody I know is as finely attuned to the nuances of SPAM or as dedicated to its eradication (good luck with that, by the way) as a few of our members are, so could I get someone to explain to me again exactly constitutes SPAM, please? Give up Joe, these members don't want other members to know anything "new", they want to talk about all the same "old" lures and techniques. I guess that's why there are no other manufacturers (or their employees) who would waste their time dealing with individual news groups (not be a member), because of the self appointed net cops. These net cops don't understand a manufacturer could not make enough money from news groups members to justify his time drafting a single post to the group, much less answer questions. Your doing what you are, as a service, not for profit. No spammer can make "any" money posting to "one" news group at a time, and taking an active roll in the group, that's why the "real" net cops, don't call what you did as spam, you have nothing to fear about your news server pulling your plug for spamming, because you didn't. -- Rodney Long, Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread, Nutri Shield insect repellent. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures, Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com |
OTS... is SPAM in the eye of the beholder?
Joe Haubenreich wrote:
I defer to others' expertise regarding SPAM. Nobody I know is as finely attuned to the nuances of SPAM or as dedicated to its eradication (good luck with that, by the way) as a few of our members are, so could I get someone to explain to me again exactly constitutes SPAM, please? snip ftp://ftp.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/advertising/how-to/part1 HTH -- Ken Fortenberry |
OTS... is SPAM in the eye of the beholder?
Rodney Long wrote:
Joe Haubenreich wrote: I defer to others' expertise regarding SPAM. Nobody I know is as finely attuned to the nuances of SPAM or as dedicated to its eradication (good luck with that, by the way) as a few of our members are, so could I get someone to explain to me again exactly constitutes SPAM, please? Give up Joe, these members don't want other members to know anything "new", they want to talk about all the same "old" lures and techniques. snip That's a bunch of hooey, Rodney. What Usenet readers of non-commercial Usenet newsgroups want is a newsgroup free of commercials, a newsgroup where they know the information is honest, personal opinion and not a bunch of marketing hype. -- Ken Fortenberry |
OTS... is SPAM in the eye of the beholder?
I hardly qualify as an expert, but that never stopped me from giving my
opinion. And I don't know the poster well enough to be sure that his recent comment about your Spam was 100% serious. For sure, it's not spam to talk about a product that one has no financial interest in. After all, a substantial portion of every fishing forum is devoted to discussion of products and how well they do and don't work. One of the first things people want to know is "what lure did you catch it on?" I've been seeing these spam discussions from time to time here for almost seven years. Certainly nobody likes to see someone take advantage of an unmoderated forum by using it for self-promotion. On the other hand, I never had a problem with someone who's a regular member of the group occasionally making an announcement about his wares. In your case, you might catch a little less flak with a simple statement along the lines of, "SWL has a special for ROFB members. For details, click here." "Joe Haubenreich" wrote in message . .. I defer to others' expertise regarding SPAM. Nobody I know is as finely attuned to the nuances of SPAM or as dedicated to its eradication (good luck with that, by the way) as a few of our members are, so could I get someone to explain to me again exactly constitutes SPAM, please? Is it only SPAM if I post about a product in which I have some sort of financial interest? If I post about another company's product (not SWL) that is sold commercially, is that SPAM? As a hypothetical example, if I write "Wow, I really like the Bill Dance Porcupine Fish Attractor! I put out three the day before Christmas on Percy Priest, and I caught bass off them every day last week!" Is that SPAM? If I recommend the commercially-sold product (still not Secret Weapon), is that SPAM? Hypothetical example: "If you're thinking of putting out some fish attractors to create a milk run for your tournament season, do yourself a favor and consider the Bill Dance Porcupine Fish Attractor. They're the best I've ever seen... easy to assemble and place, lures don't hang up on them, and they attract fish!" If I mention the price of that product, or where it can be purchased, is that SPAM? Example: "You can buy the entire Bill Dance Porcupine Fish Attractor as a set for $42.05, complete with PVC hub and pipe. Or, you can do what I did -- buy a bag of three hubs at Bass Pro Shops for $47.05 and use scrap PVC pipe from a construction site to finish them off." If I let people know about a way to win that product for free, or let them know about a great deal on products, is that SPAM? Hypothetical example: "During the fishing tackle show season, look up the fella who came up with this idea, and you can get a great discount -- up to 33% off -- at the shows. He's usually in Memphis, Little Rock, Louisville, and other shows around the mid-South." If I have become acquainted with a business owner and I recommend his product and tell where one can buy it and the selling price, but I have no vested interest, is that SPAM? Hypothetically: "I met the inventor, Larry Harper, and he is one of the nicest gentlemen you'll ever meet. Listening to him describe how he came up with the idea and what he went through to manufacture was fascinating. I'm looking forward to fishing with him this spring. He told me he's trying to get the fish attractors in Dick's and Sportsman's Warehouse this spring, so I'll probably stop by there and pick up a few more before tournaments start." Say one of our customers uses and recommends Secret Weapon Lures products and were to learn that we're offering a certain product to ROFB members at a 50% discount, if he posts that information here, is that SPAM? Is it SPAM when a business owner gives away product and posts an announcement here? Hypothetically, if I were to write that anyone who comes to the Northwoods Classic will receive any Secret Weapon Lures of his choice absolutely free, would that cross the SPAM line? Would it be SPAM if a buddy of mine posted about it? Like if Chris Rennert were to write, "I received one of the new Secret Weapon Sidearm Spinnerbaits at the Northwoods Classic, and it quickly became one of my favorite baits. I caught fish on it at that event and every time I've thrown it since then (hypothetical situation, again). Secret Weapon was making and giving these away at the NWC, as they do every year." What if the business owner was selling the product at or below his cost (no profit on the transaction). Would that be SPAM? If someone else not a part of Secret Weapon Lures learned about the at-cost sale somehow and passed the information along here, knowing that there would be people here who would want to take advantage of the opportunity, would that be SPAM? In order not to SPAM the group, would it be ok to create a special page on our Web site and then refer people to the page in a post on ROFB? What would we have to write (or not write) in order to keep it from being SPAM? If I put a line in my signature that reads, "Check our special ROFB-Members Only offers" and include a link to the Web page, would that be SPAM? Thanks in advance for the clarification. Regards, Joe -------------------- Secret Weapon Lures http://secretweaponlures.com "Over $3,000 in ROFB Product/Service Donations Since 2001" ------------------------- |
OTS... is SPAM in the eye of the beholder?
Marty wrote:
... In your case, you might catch a little less flak with a simple statement along the lines of, "SWL has a special for ROFB members. For details, click here." "Joe Haubenreich" wrote: ... If I put a line in my signature that reads, "Check our special ROFB-Members Only offers" and include a link to the Web page, would that be SPAM? I, for one, would not consider a message like that contained in a ..sig file to be SPAM so long as the message that preceded the .sig was an on-topic contribution to the group and not a commercial. -- Ken Fortenberry |
OTS... is SPAM in the eye of the beholder?
Ken Fortenberry wrote in news:XuBmh.56090
: I, for one, would not consider a message like that contained in a .sig file to be SPAM so long as the message that preceded the .sig was an on-topic contribution to the group and not a commercial. Yup, that's generally the way its done, and most find it nonoffensive. -- Scott Reverse name to reply |
OTS... is SPAM in the eye of the beholder?
"Joe Haubenreich" wrote
in : What if the business owner was selling the product at or below his cost (no profit on the transaction). Would that be SPAM? Yes. -- Scott Reverse name to reply |
Secret Weapon Sidearm - thanks for your help, ROFB
On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:32:57 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: Joe Haubenreich wrote: SPAM snipped I'd like two fried eggs, over easy, with my SPAM. Thanks. Ken If you don't like Joe's posts - don't read them!! - It's that simple. Personally, I have learned one H#*^ of alot from Joe's posts - they can be educational on the subject of bass fishing - spinner baits and other methods - they can be down right funny as well. I'd never fished a spinner bait prior to learning of SW's - now I use them all the time. They work - and SW's are the most flexible of all the ones in my box. Joe and Charles are both stand-up guys - so give it a rest. Thanks Jim Owner of about a dozen SW's. And pork chop in a can is good eating - cut a slab about 1/2" thick, grilled w/ some cheese, add lettuce and tomato on a whole wheat bun - yum! |
OTS... is SPAM in the eye of the beholder?
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
That's a bunch of hooey, Rodney. What Usenet readers of non-commercial Usenet newsgroups want is a newsgroup free of commercials, a newsgroup where they know the information is honest, personal opinion and not a bunch of marketing hype. Sometimes what "sounds" like hype, is honest personal opinion, or even better than that, controlled test results. Regular posters to this group, are members of a family, a few of us, do make our livings from the "topic" of the group, but we share our knowledge of our products with our family and friends, on the internet and off the internet. Personally I have not made 20 dollars from my royalties from years of posting on a few fishing groups. I'm not posting here to make money, (just one story in Bassmaster is read by over 2,000,000 fishermen, not just a couple hundred that come here). I just come here to share what I've discovered to a few friends who also like to "catch" fish. I also like the feed back from those who have bought my inventions from tackle stores. Few "companies" actually care. All of "my" products are actually no longer "mine", they have manufactures that market and sell them, I was just the inventor of them, and I'm the "expert" in using them properly. I have many "true" professional bass fishermen who call/email me, and ask for advice in using them. I listen to others here, and try to "invent" other products the fishermen need, without people like me, and Joe, you all would still be using a cane pole and a safety pin to fish with. The problem here is all you guys think all the stuff you now use, was always available. People make money from every lure, and rod , and reel you buy, it's the way the world works. Would this group not rather have more people who invent and develop new lures and rigs for their sport on this group ? Why would you not want to know about the newest stuff available, have an inside tract, stay a few months, or a year, ahead of all other fishermen ? P.S. I have had "many" stories in Bassmaster on my fishing products, as well as "all" the other national magazines, it took "me" longer to write this post, than it did to get any of those stories written, and published. I'm not here to "push my products", it's not worth the effort, but I do like to share to those who do want to listen, and learn on this group, just because I love the sport, and using my products is the only way I fish, they are the only thing I can give expert advice on. I hold back on it, because of a few on here, who don't like me talking about 50 bass or 100 trout days, because they think it's B.S./hype, when actually, it's a normal day on the water for me, I can't share how I do it here, because it can't be done on a regular bases, without using my inventions, and the "way" I use them, and telling "how" here, is called spam, although I'm not personally "selling" the products. -- Rodney Long, Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread, Nutri Shield insect repellent. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures, Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com |
Secret Weapon Sidearm - thanks for your help, ROFB
Jim Laumann wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: Joe Haubenreich wrote: SPAM snipped I'd like two fried eggs, over easy, with my SPAM. Thanks. Ken If you don't like Joe's posts - don't read them!! - It's that simple. I don't like SPAM. It's that simple. ... Joe and Charles are both stand-up guys - so give it a rest. I don't doubt for one second that both are gentlmen, scholars and fine judges of horse flesh and women, not to mention guys I'd enjoy meeting and sharing a fishing trip with. But this Usenet newsgroup thing is self-policing and if I see something I don't like, SPAM for instance, I speak up. If you don't like my posts, don't read them. -- Ken Fortenberry |
OTS... is SPAM in the eye of the beholder?
Rodney Long wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote: That's a bunch of hooey, Rodney. What Usenet readers of non-commercial Usenet newsgroups want is a newsgroup free of commercials, a newsgroup where they know the information is honest, personal opinion and not a bunch of marketing hype. Sometimes what "sounds" like hype, is honest personal opinion, or even better than that, controlled test results. snip I'm not here to "push my products", it's not worth the effort, but I do like to share to those who do want to listen, and learn on this group, just because I love the sport, and using my products is the only way I fish, they are the only thing I can give expert advice on. I hold back on it, because of a few on here, who don't like me talking about 50 bass or 100 trout days, because they think it's B.S./hype, when actually, it's a normal day on the water for me, I can't share how I do it here, because it can't be done on a regular bases, without using my inventions, and the "way" I use them, and telling "how" here, is called spam, although I'm not personally "selling" the products. You're right about one thing, it's not worth the effort to SPAM rofb. It seems to me that Joe & Company are way better at it than you ever were, I mean you're something of a pariah here because of your SPAMming and they're not, but all that aside posting commercials here is quite simply bad for business and no business person in their right mind would deliberately harm their business. -- Ken Fortenberry |
OTS... is SPAM in the eye of the beholder?
That's your Opinion Ken Dont speak for everyone here JUST speak for
yourself. I am my own man and I'll speak for myself thank you very much........ -- -- -- Chris S Replace com with net to e-mail --- "Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message . net... That's a bunch of hooey, Rodney. What Usenet readers of non-commercial Usenet newsgroups want is a newsgroup free of commercials, a newsgroup where they know the information is honest, personal opinion and not a bunch of marketing hype. -- Ken Fortenberry |
Secret Weapon Sidearm - thanks for your help, ROFB
Joe, don't worry about the possibility of it being SPAM, it's not as far as
I can see. It's not like your using an email sniffer in these groups and sending bulk posts or anything. Most people in this group are pretty tight knit it seems, and they all know you and most of the regulars are using your products, and appreciate it! They all speak highly of you, and your product. So it's not like your some guy that no one knows, coming in here and saying, "Look at my new site for hot deals!". I'm not a regular, and haven't been accepted in this group, but I do read daily pretty much, but as I said, we all know you, regulars and non-regulars alike, and it's cool. I just think it's winter and some just need an outlet to vent there BS, that's all pent up inside. You provided that outlet, but it's just to be ignored. Geesh, what's next? Politics and religion??!! Nothing worse than someone talking serious politics and religion in a fishing group! Hope your business is doing well, and don't forget us little people when you make your 1st million! Best regards, Doug P.S. Do non-regulars qualify for your 50% discount, such as myself? What qualifies as a regular anyway in here? "Joe Haubenreich" wrote in message . .. Chris Rennert's quote from ROFB on the page about our new Secret Weapon Sidearm spinnerbait was so good that we use it on our Website (see link in sig, below). We held off releasing the bait to dealers and the public until New Year's Day weekend because we'd like it to be considered for best new bait of 2007. Of course, some of you have been using prototypes of this bait for several months. Our first tournament field test of this new spinnerbait design was at the ROFB Northwoods Classic last summer in Rhinelander, WI. Before moving the lure into production, we wanted to see how well they worked and whether anglers who were fishing for pride, money, or just the fun of competition would reach for these baits. As it turned out, several did, and they did all right. To those who helped us with field-testing, many thanks for your feedback. I think we've got an exciting addition to the Secret Weapon arsenal. If you want to give it a try, we've created a 50% discount code for ROFB members, good through the first week in January. Regards, and Happy New Year! Joe -------------------- Secret Weapon Lures Better designs... better performance... better results! SWL Sidearm: http://secretweaponlures.com/sidearm.htm 50% ROFB Member Discount (through Jan 7, 2007): rofb750 |
Secret Weapon Sidearm - thanks for your help, ROFB
Joe, thanks for the offer on the lures. I intend to place an order today.
I got my first SWL spinner bait last year when the bass had been asleep up here for a while, the this lure woke them up. I was pleasantly surprised to catch a number of very nice fish at a time when I thought the bass fishing was over. As far as the SPAM matter is concerned, I couldn't care less. I get 15 or 20 emails per day offering me everything from mortgage consolidation to penis enlargement. A discount offer from one of the NG regular contributors here is not only unoffensive to me, I consider it a gift that I will gladly accept. Thank you Joe. If Joe gets under your skin, just plonk him, me or anyone else you don't agree with. Life will go on for all of us and the plonker and plonkee alike will live happy little lives in parallel universes. Now, if one of you fine gentlemen out there who owns a bass boat outlet would be so kind to match Joe's offer of 50% off on a nice, shiny, new 20 footer........instead of SPAMMING the group, please email me directly. |
OTS... is SPAM in the eye of the beholder?
Rodney Long wrote in news:VwEmh.134$g_7.98
@newsfe02.lga: I listen to others here, and try to "invent" other products the fishermen need, without people like me, and Joe, you all would still be using a cane pole and a safety pin to fish with. It's amazing just how much ego these electronic "rooms" can hold. -- Scott Reverse name to reply |
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"Scott Seidman" wrote in message: It's amazing just how much ego these electronic "rooms" can hold. What's wrong with ego Scott? Have you seen any of the things these guys have developed? |
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Scott Seidman wrote:
Rodney Long wrote in news:VwEmh.134$g_7.98 @newsfe02.lga: I listen to others here, and try to "invent" other products the fishermen need, without people like me, and Joe, you all would still be using a cane pole and a safety pin to fish with. It's amazing just how much ego these electronic "rooms" can hold. Say what you want, but EVERYTHING you fish with was invented by someone, and most of the inventors MADE MONEY for doing it, they did it to make money, it's the way they make their livings, it may be a sport to you but to them it is a sport and their livelihood. Most of those products you use were not invented by mega companies, but by individual fishermen who decided to go into the fishing business . Of course you would rather the MEGA companies be the only ones that profit from your sport. I don't know what your day job is, but you would not consider it an ego, you would just call it being good at your job, it's no big deal to you Fishing, and inventing new, "better" means to do it, is my day JOB, it's no big deal to me, it's just what I do, of the hundreds who do it, I'm just one of them, and you must be very good at it, to make a living from it. If your not, none of your inventions will get licensed by those MEGA Tackle companies. It's a tough job, but someone has to do it :-) -- Rodney Long, Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread, Nutri Shield insect repellent. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures, Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot http://www.ezknot.com |
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"johnval1" wrote in news:DdPmh.11236$ZT3.5493
@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com: "Scott Seidman" wrote in message: It's amazing just how much ego these electronic "rooms" can hold. What's wrong with ego Scott? Have you seen any of the things these guys have developed? Did you read the snippet I quoted? Nothing is particularly wrong with ego, but I find humility to be a more attractive characteristic. Herter certainly was proud of his stuff-- probably justifiably-- but that doesn't mean I'd like to be locked up in a room with him while he's spouting off, either. There are probably millions of bass fisherman who never heard of this stuff who will never miss it. Others know about it, like me, and choose not to buy it. If another fishing product weren't invented for another century, millions of people would still enjoy fishing--even fishing for bass. For what its worth, my rig isn't that far away from a cane pole and safety pin, and I value my recreational (that's the "rec" in ROFB, remember?) time on the water at least as much, if not more, than many of the fishermen here. He's a big boy. If he wants to shill his stuff in a free forum where some find it objectionable, let him stop whining when people choose to express their displeasure. Personally, I don't think he's achieving anything more than a one-line statement in his signature would, and maybe less. -- Scott Reverse name to reply |
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"Scott Seidman" wrote in message Did you read the snippet I quoted? Yes I did read the snippet you quoted. I have read the entire thread. I think it is a good conversation. Nothing is particularly wrong with ego, but I find humility to be a more attractive characteristic. Herter certainly was proud of his stuff-- probably justifiably-- but that doesn't mean I'd like to be locked up in a room with him while he's spouting off, either. I'm gratified we both agree that "ego", as used in this conversation is not so bad. There are probably millions of bass fisherman who never heard of this stuff who will never miss it. Others know about it, like me, and choose not to buy it. If another fishing product weren't invented for another century, millions of people would still enjoy fishing--even fishing for bass. Great. Don't buy the stuff. Use what you like, how you like, and when and where you like. Sounds to me as though you are a proper contrarian, which I believe to be a good thing most of the time. However, ascribing negative attributes to these folks by denegrating their "ego" is snide and salacious and generally a crappy way of contributing to a conversation. For what its worth, my rig isn't that far away from a cane pole and safety pin, and I value my recreational (that's the "rec" in ROFB, remember?) time on the water at least as much, if not more, than many of the fishermen here. Scott, please dispense with the tutorials. Get off your high horse. Not all of us are mouth-breathers here. He's a big boy. If he wants to shill his stuff in a free forum where some find it objectionable, let him stop whining when people choose to express their displeasure. Personally, I don't think he's achieving anything more than a one-line statement in his signature would, and maybe less. As far as shilling, Joe has placed a considerable amount of his product in the hands of the pros on this board for beta testing. I don't recall any complaints about that activity. He happens to make outstanding products, stands behind them, and has spent time here with good tips and information in the past. All aspiring pro should read his monograph on sponsorship and working partnerships with corporate entities. It is a primer for how to get a fishing career going in the right direction. As I said before, if you think he is just a shill, don't pay any attention to his posts. Don't take advantage of his offers. |
OTS... is SPAM in the eye of the beholder?
Joe Haubendreich has been a fixture in his community & with this group for
an extremely long time. I know Joe as well as most, & there is absolutely no secret side to anything Joe does. His life is an open book. Furthermore, anyone who has ever met him will agree with this. For the record, I want to state for the world to see that anyone who would ever question Joe's ethics or morals would have to be (stop reading now, Joe... you hate this word) an ignorant, illiterate asshole! Fortunately, that does not appear to be what this thread is about or inferring. This thread is about spamming, & is largely featuring the opinions of Ken Fortenberry. Ken & I go way back on this group. We would love to spend a day in his canoe fishing together, & I'm positive that, just on general principle, each would try to throw the other overboard before the end of the float. We would then end the day laughing together over a cold drink somewhere. Ken is a good guy with only two major flaws: He demands that replies to posts be on shown top (a really stupid waste of time) & he rigidly defines SPAMMING with his own hopelessly wrong & unusable set of rules. Intelligent folks show really good sense by just ignoring him on these points. Otherwise, he's an OK guy in my book. Bob Rickard Old Geezer & Really Nice Guy and angling loving Founder & Director of Secret Weapon Lures .................................................. .................................................. ..................................... "johnval1" wrote in message t... "Scott Seidman" wrote in message Did you read the snippet I quoted? Yes I did read the snippet you quoted. I have read the entire thread. I think it is a good conversation. Nothing is particularly wrong with ego, but I find humility to be a more attractive characteristic. Herter certainly was proud of his stuff-- probably justifiably-- but that doesn't mean I'd like to be locked up in a room with him while he's spouting off, either. I'm gratified we both agree that "ego", as used in this conversation is not so bad. There are probably millions of bass fisherman who never heard of this stuff who will never miss it. Others know about it, like me, and choose not to buy it. If another fishing product weren't invented for another century, millions of people would still enjoy fishing--even fishing for bass. Great. Don't buy the stuff. Use what you like, how you like, and when and where you like. Sounds to me as though you are a proper contrarian, which I believe to be a good thing most of the time. However, ascribing negative attributes to these folks by denegrating their "ego" is snide and salacious and generally a crappy way of contributing to a conversation. For what its worth, my rig isn't that far away from a cane pole and safety pin, and I value my recreational (that's the "rec" in ROFB, remember?) time on the water at least as much, if not more, than many of the fishermen here. Scott, please dispense with the tutorials. Get off your high horse. Not all of us are mouth-breathers here. He's a big boy. If he wants to shill his stuff in a free forum where some find it objectionable, let him stop whining when people choose to express their displeasure. Personally, I don't think he's achieving anything more than a one-line statement in his signature would, and maybe less. As far as shilling, Joe has placed a considerable amount of his product in the hands of the pros on this board for beta testing. I don't recall any complaints about that activity. He happens to make outstanding products, stands behind them, and has spent time here with good tips and information in the past. All aspiring pro should read his monograph on sponsorship and working partnerships with corporate entities. It is a primer for how to get a fishing career going in the right direction. As I said before, if you think he is just a shill, don't pay any attention to his posts. Don't take advantage of his offers. |
OTS... is SPAM in the eye of the beholder?
"johnval1" wrote in
t: As I said before, if you think he is just a shill, don't pay any attention to his posts. And, if you think I have no platform from which to justifiably complain about what I see is a misuse of a usenet group, then pay no attention to my posts--or can't you detect a little bit of circularity in telling me to ignore someone's post when you can't ignore mine? -- Scott Reverse name to reply |
Secret Weapon Sidearm - thanks for your help, ROFB
DAMN -This is the longest on going thread I've seen in this NG in a year
Ken Blevins [no other opinions ] "Joe Haubenreich" wrote in message . .. Chris Rennert's quote from ROFB on the page about our new Secret Weapon Sidearm spinnerbait was so good that we use it on our Website (see link in sig, below). We held off releasing the bait to dealers and the public until New Year's Day weekend because we'd like it to be considered for best new bait of 2007. Of course, some of you have been using prototypes of this bait for several months. Our first tournament field test of this new spinnerbait design was at the ROFB Northwoods Classic last summer in Rhinelander, WI. Before moving the lure into production, we wanted to see how well they worked and whether anglers who were fishing for pride, money, or just the fun of competition would reach for these baits. As it turned out, several did, and they did all right. To those who helped us with field-testing, many thanks for your feedback. I think we've got an exciting addition to the Secret Weapon arsenal. If you want to give it a try, we've created a 50% discount code for ROFB members, good through the first week in January. Regards, and Happy New Year! Joe -------------------- Secret Weapon Lures Better designs... better performance... better results! SWL Sidearm: http://secretweaponlures.com/sidearm.htm 50% ROFB Member Discount (through Jan 7, 2007): rofb750 |
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Even I de-lurked to throw my two cents in. LOL
"Ken Blevins" wrote in message ... DAMN -This is the longest on going thread I've seen in this NG in a year Ken Blevins [no other opinions ] -------------------- Secret Weapon Lures Better designs... better performance... better results! SWL Sidearm: http://secretweaponlures.com/sidearm.htm 50% ROFB Member Discount (through Jan 7, 2007): rofb750 |
OTS... is SPAM in the eye of the beholder?
"Scott Seidman" wrote in message And, if you think I have no platform from which to justifiably complain about what I see is a misuse of a usenet group, then pay no attention to my posts--or can't you detect a little bit of circularity in telling me to ignore someone's post when you can't ignore mine? I do not see Joe's post as a misuse of usernet. Sorry that you do. I guess this answers the eternal musical question of whether the circle will be unbroken! As Ronald Reagan said to Jimmy Carter, "There you go again!" Another tutorial. The difference here is you and I have engaged in somewhat of a direct exhange of disagreement, especially about "ego" and not usernet misuse, as opposed to Joe's broadcast offer and subsequent generalized response to Ken. On one matter, I will gladly agree with you Scott. No doubt our conversation has become tedious to many, so we should ignore one another from this point forward. |
Secret Weapon Sidearm - thanks for your help, ROFB
"Ken Blevins" wrote in message .. DAMN -This is the longest on going thread I've seen in this NG in a year Ken Blevins [no other opinions ] Look at it this way Ken. Someone in the group not long ago declared this NG dead due to lack of posts. I guess this shows there is a little life here after all. |
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And have a flag football game to decide the matter.....I'll furnish the
keg, if someone else will bring the ball. I guarantee it to be more fun than the philosophical game that's being played :). I hate spam...the kind that tries to harvest e-mail addresses, and employs little tricks to try and get you to open them....but I always enjoy most of the posts on here that talk about individual accomplishments, both on the water, and in the "shop". I have, and always will continue to admire an entrepreneur...that includes you too Rodney :)! I have refrained from posting much about equipment here since I was chastised for mentioning a rod my son uses, and asking opinions about it.....it's one of his sponsors products. I think the response went something like this..."Why don't you ask your son, he's the pro team captain for them!"....followed by another reply, "Good catch on the spam XX!". We have several fishing guides that post here, a couple of entrepreneurs in the fishing tackle business, a few that write articles on bass fishing for publication, and some of us that enjoy reading about it all....I really don't see the "spam" in it, at least not what I consider spam. Just my not so humble opinion :) John K |
OTS... is SPAM in the eye of the beholder?
On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 15:41:06 -0600, "Joe Haubenreich"
wrote: I defer to others' expertise regarding SPAM. Nobody I know is as finely attuned to the nuances of SPAM or as dedicated to its eradication (good luck with that, by the way) as a few of our members are, so could I get someone to explain to me again exactly constitutes SPAM, please? BIG TIME SNIP Your posts are not spam Joe! Thanks in advance for the clarification. You are welcome. Regards, Joe -------------------- Secret Weapon Lures http://secretweaponlures.com "Over $3,000 in ROFB Product/Service Donations Since 2001" ------------------------- Dan Remove the x for e-mail reply 1996 HD Sportster 1200S. N9JBF. Bass fishing Aficionado! www.outdoorfrontiers.com www.SecretWeaponLures.com A proud charter member of "PETAF", People for Eating Tasty Animals and Fish!!! |
OTS... is SPAM in the eye of the beholder?
No truer words have ever been posted here... How many more people here will
agree? Come on, let's have a show of hands. Also state if you've ever met this guy in person, because if you haven't, you're missing out. "Bob Rickard" wrote in message et... For the record, I want to state for the world to see that anyone who would ever question Joe's ethics or morals would have to be (stop reading now, Joe... you hate this word) an ignorant, illiterate asshole! |
OTS... is SPAM in the eye of the beholder?
"johnval1" wrote in news:EJVmh.14520$Gw4.2437
@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net: I do not see Joe's post as a misuse of usernet. Sorry that you do. It's "usenet", not "usernet", but that would be another tutorial. Far be it from me to tell you what usernet protocol is. Obviously, you've been around long enough to know all the fairly widespread conventions, why they exist, and even the name of the medium you're communicating in. Maybe you've even been around long enough to see a few perfectly good usernet groups killed by spammers. It wasn't so much the spam for me. Someone posted a question as to whether people here thought one of his post was spam, and I answered yes, without comment, as none was needed. Push comes to shove, I couldn't really care less whether he's hawking his stuff. It was the silly post dripping with self importance from Rodney that got the well-deserved reply. I don't care what kind of a guy he is. He made a stupid post that made him sound arrogent as hell, and I called him on it. I would call my best friend out for the same thing. Of course, you'd have us ignore centuries of Greek tragedy and half of Shakespeare's plays, and assert that there's nothing wrong with too much pride in oneself. Again, Rodney is a big boy, and certainly doesn't need you to defend him. It looks kind of odd, frankly. -- Scott Reverse name to reply |
OTS... is SPAM in the eye of the beholder?
"Scott Seidman" wrote in message: From conventions to Shakespeare, to the self-anointed post of the Calling-Out-Czar. Thank you for keeping us on the straight and narrow Scott. Our lives has been so very barren 'till now... More importantly, just tied on new Yo-Zuri Hybrid 8 lb line onto my go-to spinning reel. Do you or anyone else recommend a Palomar knot with this stuff, or should I stick with a Trilene knot? My disclaimer is that I have absolutely no commercial interest in Yo-Zuri, its subsidiaries, affiliates, nor alliances. I have not accepted any form of compensation nor remuneration for the mention of this commercial product in this or any other venue. My question is prompted solely by my desire to keep a damned fish from busting a knot loose. |
OTS... is SPAM in the eye of the beholder?
I stand with Charles and Bob beside Joe. I've never met Joe, but we've
swapped a few emails and I've been reading his posts for years. Joe is a stand-up guy I would be proud to share a boat with or live next door to. Usenet spam isn't just advertisements, it is unwanted posts, whether the poster is selling anything or not. I've never read a post of Joe's that I wished I hadn't. On of the greatest things usenet has over web-based forums is the ability to killfile someone. If you don't like what Joe has to say, put him in the killfile. What's that you say? You dont want to killfile him because he contributes some great posts? Then shut up about his posts being spam! At least he doesn't change his email every few months to get out of everybody's killfile, like some others do. He never comes off condescending or outright rude like some others here, either. He made a friendly offer to all of us because MANY of us right here love the Secret Weapon Lures products, and I, for one, am glad that he makes these offers. Thanks Joe! On Jan 4, 10:24 am, "Charles Summers" wrote: No truer words have ever been posted here... How many more people here will agree? Come on, let's have a show of hands. Also state if you've ever met this guy in person, because if you haven't, you're missing out. "Bob Rickard" wrote in odigy.net... For the record, I want to state for the world to see that anyone who would ever question Joe's ethics or morals would have to be (stop reading now, Joe... you hate this word) an ignorant, illiterate asshole! |
OTS... is SPAM in the eye of the beholder?
"Charles Summers" wrote in message . .. No truer words have ever been posted here... How many more people here will agree? Come on, let's have a show of hands. Also state if you've ever met this guy in person, because if you haven't, you're missing out. I've known Joe for a number of years now and am proud to call him friend. Of course that also goes for a number of people on this group that I've gotten to know attending the various Classics. That includes the "infamous" Bob Rickard and even you Charles! :-) -- Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods http://www.herefishyfishy.com |
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snip.....
Ken If you don't like Joe's posts - don't read them!! - It's that simple. I don't like SPAM. It's that simple. ... Joe and Charles are both stand-up guys - so give it a rest. I don't doubt for one second that both are gentlmen, scholars and fine judges of horse flesh and women, not to mention guys I'd enjoy meeting and sharing a fishing trip with. But this Usenet newsgroup thing is self-policing and if I see something I don't like, SPAM for instance, I speak up. If you don't like my posts, don't read them. Ken Good come back..... I've read your posts over the years since I learned you did your bass fishing w/ a flyrod - I've got one - but have a lot to learn - so I've looked at your posts for info..... But, ok - fair is fair - you stop banging on Joe now - as this is the last of yours that I'll be reading. Good luck to you in the future Ken Jim |
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