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egildone January 3rd, 2007 02:27 PM

Another question
 
After receiving such a great response to my question on hand made
leaders I thought I'd ask another question: What knot do you use to tie
your fly to the leader? I have always used either an improved clinch or
a palomar knot, but it has been suggested that I use a turle knot or run
the line through the eye and tie a loop allowing the fly more natural
action.

Thanks in advance for all the responses!

Ed

rw January 3rd, 2007 02:58 PM

Another question
 
egildone wrote:
After receiving such a great response to my question on hand made
leaders I thought I'd ask another question: What knot do you use to tie
your fly to the leader? I have always used either an improved clinch or
a palomar knot, but it has been suggested that I use a turle knot or run
the line through the eye and tie a loop allowing the fly more natural
action.

Thanks in advance for all the responses!


The turle knot is weak. I don't think many people use it these days.

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Ken Fortenberry January 3rd, 2007 03:24 PM

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egildone wrote:
After receiving such a great response to my question on hand made
leaders I thought I'd ask another question: What knot do you use to tie
your fly to the leader? ...


I use a clinch knot, not the improved clinch, just a plain
5-7 turn clinch knot. It seems to me the clinch is stronger
than the improved clinch and it's one step easier to tie.

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Tom Nakashima January 3rd, 2007 03:37 PM

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egildone wrote:
After receiving such a great response to my question on hand made
leaders I thought I'd ask another question: What knot do you use to tie
your fly to the leader? I have always used either an improved clinch or
a palomar knot, but it has been suggested that I use a turle knot or run
the line through the eye and tie a loop allowing the fly more natural
action.


When you mentioned a more natural action of a fly, you may also want to
consider the "Duncan Loop or Uni-Knot" It works best for subsurface flies,
gives it that swim action. I like using the Duncan loop for the soft hackle
wooly worm.
http://www.killroys.com/knots/duncan.htm
fwiw,
-tom



Daniel-San January 3rd, 2007 04:38 PM

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"egildone" wrote ...

What knot do you use to tie your fly to the leader?


Usually an improved clinch, but sometimes a Uni. No real rationale for why,
just sometimes the mood strikes.

Dan



Larry L January 3rd, 2007 05:50 PM

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"egildone" wrote

What knot do you use to tie
your fly to the leader?



Pitzen Knot




Tom Nakashima January 3rd, 2007 06:04 PM

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"Larry L" wrote in message
...

"egildone" wrote

What knot do you use to tie
your fly to the leader?



Pitzen Knot


Larry, thanks for bringing the name of Pitzen up. For the life of me, I
couldn't remember the name of that knot. Heard it was a good knot to tie the
fly to the tippet. I just looked it up in search, the knot named after the
German angler Edgar Pitzenbauer...said to be 20% stronger than the clinch.

Speaking of knots, anyone use knot-sense? I've seen this in the fly-shops,
even read the instructions, but never used it. They even have an
ultraviolet light which cures the knot-sense solution faster.
-tom



Scott Seidman January 3rd, 2007 06:20 PM

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egildone wrote in news:33Pmh.29247$_44.11586
@newsfe23.lga:

After receiving such a great response to my question on hand made
leaders I thought I'd ask another question: What knot do you use to tie
your fly to the leader? I have always used either an improved clinch or
a palomar knot, but it has been suggested that I use a turle knot or run
the line through the eye and tie a loop allowing the fly more natural
action.

Thanks in advance for all the responses!

Ed


I generally use and improved cinch, but I've also messed around with the
George Harvey knot for trout, and haven't had any trouble with it.

http://www.flyfisherman.com/skills/lkknots/index4.html

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briansfly January 3rd, 2007 06:24 PM

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Tom Nakashima wrote:
"Larry L" wrote in message
...

"egildone" wrote

What knot do you use to tie

your fly to the leader?



Pitzen Knot



Larry, thanks for bringing the name of Pitzen up. For the life of me, I
couldn't remember the name of that knot. Heard it was a good knot to tie the
fly to the tippet. I just looked it up in search, the knot named after the
German angler Edgar Pitzenbauer...said to be 20% stronger than the clinch.

Speaking of knots, anyone use knot-sense? I've seen this in the fly-shops,
even read the instructions, but never used it. They even have an
ultraviolet light which cures the knot-sense solution faster.
-tom


I've used UV Knot Sense. It's ok, but a bit too brittle to my liking. I
don't use it for any knots on the leader, other that the leader butt, to
fly line connection. I switched to UV Wader Patch, for that connection.
It's more pliable, and doesn't seem the crack as easy. Just bought the
small UV light. Very handy little toy. Now I don't have to walk outside
every time I need to cure the material. It doesn't cure the product
faster than sunlight....you just don't need sunlight. FWIW, I only use
the stuff to smooth the connection, and not for any added strength.

brians


Tom Nakashima January 3rd, 2007 06:36 PM

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"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
. 1.4...

I generally use and improved cinch, but I've also messed around with the
George Harvey knot for trout, and haven't had any trouble with it.

http://www.flyfisherman.com/skills/lkknots/index4.html
Scott
Reverse name to reply


I like the Flyfisherman site, actually hit the back button and saw a few
other knots I wanted to try; the Eugene Bend. I don't do the needle knot
for a butt section to the fly-line, but thought about starting. Anyone know
the size needle to use for 5wt line? Also what size butt-line to use,
thinking it should be a diameter slightly larger than the leader.
fwiw,
-tom



Tom Nakashima January 3rd, 2007 06:40 PM

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"briansfly" wrote in message
news:uxSmh.13025$Ap5.4835@trnddc04...
Tom Nakashima wrote:

Speaking of knots, anyone use knot-sense? I've seen this in the
fly-shops, even read the instructions, but never used it. They even have
an ultraviolet light which cures the knot-sense solution faster.
-tom


I've used UV Knot Sense. It's ok, but a bit too brittle to my liking. I
don't use it for any knots on the leader, other that the leader butt, to
fly line connection. I switched to UV Wader Patch, for that connection.
It's more pliable, and doesn't seem the crack as easy. Just bought the
small UV light. Very handy little toy. Now I don't have to walk outside
every time I need to cure the material. It doesn't cure the product faster
than sunlight....you just don't need sunlight. FWIW, I only use the stuff
to smooth the connection, and not for any added strength.

brians


Thanks Brians,
I haven't seen UV Wader Patch, I have to search that product, but if it
works I'll take your word for it.
So that UV light really works.
fwiw,
-tom



Larry L January 3rd, 2007 08:51 PM

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Pitzen Knot




OR, sometimes with tiny flies and one of the modern ultra limp tippet
materials that seem to me to be 'sticky' and hard to draw up tightly .... I
use "the knot" as shown in the book Midge Magic

It seems strong ( don't know if that is 'scientifically tested') and is
very small ... a big plus. It seems to me, when fishing small stuff, that
if the knot is as big as the fly it has to affect the fish's perception of
that fly adversely.





George Adams January 3rd, 2007 10:31 PM

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On Jan 3, 9:27 am, egildone wrote:
After receiving such a great response to my question on hand made
leaders I thought I'd ask another question: What knot do you use to tie
your fly to the leader? I have always used either an improved clinch or
a palomar knot, but it has been suggested that I use a turle knot or run
the line through the eye and tie a loop allowing the fly more natural
action.

Thanks in advance for all the responses!

Ed


Whst Forty said. Clinch knot, unimproved, five to seven turns, Been
working for me for more than 50 years.....if it ain't broke, I don't
fix it.


Smoking North 45° January 3rd, 2007 10:40 PM

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Ken Fortenberry a écrit :

egildone wrote:

After receiving such a great response to my question on hand made
leaders I thought I'd ask another question: What knot do you use to
tie your fly to the leader? ...



I use a clinch knot, not the improved clinch, just a plain
5-7 turn clinch knot. It seems to me the clinch is stronger
than the improved clinch and it's one step easier to tie.


I'll second that, never add a problem or lost a fish on the regular
clinch. I also use the Uni-Knot (http://tinyurl.com/ykezvx) for movement.

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