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As previously mentioned, the cobia started off the coast a coupla-three
weeks ago, and so the tourneys have begun. Several of the dockwarmer-types were discussing their rigs, debating whose motors were the best. The discussion was complete with all sorts of pseudotechnobabble, with each man dragging out which pro/champ/team used what as "proof" of this or that. Up walks a team leader whose rigs have had, and current rig has 4 Mercury Racing 300s hanging off the ass. One of the Mercury/MR proponents asks, "So, why do you always use Mercury? Is it the whatever marketing term or whichever superlative wonderment?" "It's because Mercury gives 'em to me..." TC, R ....and he didn't even mention the checks and other perqs... |
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wrote in message ... As previously mentioned, the cobia started off the coast a coupla-three weeks ago, and so the tourneys have begun. Several of the dockwarmer-types were discussing their rigs, debating whose motors were the best. The discussion was complete with all sorts of pseudotechnobabble, with each man dragging out which pro/champ/team used what as "proof" of this or that. Up walks a team leader whose rigs have had, and current rig has 4 Mercury Racing 300s hanging off the ass. One of the Mercury/MR proponents asks, "So, why do you always use Mercury? Is it the whatever marketing term or whichever superlative wonderment?" "It's because Mercury gives 'em to me..." TC, R ...and he didn't even mention the checks and other perqs... Well.....gosh. Wolfgang who notes that revelation is no less revelatory for all that it has been going on for so long. but then, y'all probably already knew that. |
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On Fri, 11 May 2007 05:49:19 -0500, wrote:
On Thu, 10 May 2007 11:15:02 -0400, Dave LaCourse wrote: On Thu, 10 May 2007 07:18:28 -0500, wrote: As previously mentioned, the cobia started off the coast a coupla-three weeks ago, and so the tourneys have begun. Several of the dockwarmer-types were discussing their rigs, debating whose motors were the best. The discussion was complete with all sorts of pseudotechnobabble, with each man dragging out which pro/champ/team used what as "proof" of this or that. Up walks a team leader whose rigs have had, and current rig has 4 Mercury Racing 300s hanging off the ass. One of the Mercury/MR proponents asks, "So, why do you always use Mercury? Is it the whatever marketing term or whichever superlative wonderment?" "It's because Mercury gives 'em to me..." TC, R ...and he didn't even mention the checks and other perqs... Gee, willikers. Who'da thunk it? Well, some folks, anyway... Point being.....? ...on top of yer head? ...at the end of yer tits? Huh? Yeah, I've noticed yer confusion... HTH, R Does that mean that the guides at The Alaskan Sportmens Lodge (Brian Kraft owner/operator) who wear Simms G3s instead of Orvis waders (it's an Orvis lodge) are out of uniform? d;o) I only go to Orvis endorsed lodges, Richard. Always better service and they always have spare rods/reels and sometimes even Orvis waders if you lose your luggage to the airline. This includes lodges in Alaska, Kamchatka, and Labrador. The guides at these lodges get 60% off of everything available in the Orvis catalog, yet most of them wear Simms G3s. Why? Because they last year after year after year without any maintenance. Like I said, a buck a day to wear a set of G3s instead of many dollars a day to wear anything else. Otherwise they'd have to buy a new set of waders every year. Get out there, Richard. See for yourself. Simms G3 for a dollar a day of fishing. d;o) |
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Dave LaCourse wrote in
: The guides at these lodges get 60% off of everything available in the Orvis catalog, yet most of them wear Simms G3s. Guides get about 50% off of everything Simms sells, as well. -- Scott Reverse name to reply |
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Scott Seidman wrote:
Dave LaCourse wrote in : The guides at these lodges get 60% off of everything available in the Orvis catalog, yet most of them wear Simms G3s. Guides get about 50% off of everything Simms sells, as well. Apparently it's money well spent by Simms. -- Cut "to the chase" for my email address. |
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On Fri, 11 May 2007 11:27:45 -0700, rw
wrote: Scott Seidman wrote: Dave LaCourse wrote in : The guides at these lodges get 60% off of everything available in the Orvis catalog, yet most of them wear Simms G3s. Guides get about 50% off of everything Simms sells, as well. Apparently it's money well spent by Simms. If it's true, that is. Hafta ask Wally about that one. |
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On Fri, 11 May 2007 14:15:37 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote: On Fri, 11 May 2007 05:49:19 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 10 May 2007 11:15:02 -0400, Dave LaCourse wrote: On Thu, 10 May 2007 07:18:28 -0500, wrote: As previously mentioned, the cobia started off the coast a coupla-three weeks ago, and so the tourneys have begun. Several of the dockwarmer-types were discussing their rigs, debating whose motors were the best. The discussion was complete with all sorts of pseudotechnobabble, with each man dragging out which pro/champ/team used what as "proof" of this or that. Up walks a team leader whose rigs have had, and current rig has 4 Mercury Racing 300s hanging off the ass. One of the Mercury/MR proponents asks, "So, why do you always use Mercury? Is it the whatever marketing term or whichever superlative wonderment?" "It's because Mercury gives 'em to me..." TC, R ...and he didn't even mention the checks and other perqs... Gee, willikers. Who'da thunk it? Well, some folks, anyway... Point being.....? ...on top of yer head? ...at the end of yer tits? Huh? Yeah, I've noticed yer confusion... HTH, R Does that mean that the guides at The Alaskan Sportmens Lodge (Brian Kraft owner/operator) who wear Simms G3s instead of Orvis waders (it's an Orvis lodge) are out of uniform? d;o) I only go to Orvis endorsed lodges, Richard. Aw, I'm sorry...well, maybe when you really make some cash, you'll be able to not worry about such and be able to buy your own places...but until you do, you'd be more than welcome to come to any of our places and fish for anything from pelagic species to pond bream to mountain trout...heck, I might even let you chunk some lead into one of my bayous... IAC, I can proudly say I've never knowingly been to an Orvis-endorsed lodge and can confidently say I have no intention of ever paying to do so. If I'm gonna fish "public," I'll do it the way God intended: not at an Orvis-endorsed lodge...and not in California... Always better service and they always have spare rods/reels and sometimes even Orvis waders if you lose your luggage to the airline. Airline? How...pedestrian... This includes lodges in Alaska, Kamchatka, and Labrador. The guides at these lodges get 60% off of everything available in the Orvis catalog, yet most of them wear Simms G3s. Why? Because Simms will happily send a crate of waders to an "Orvis-endorsed lodge"...or any other "lodge" that caters to enough "sports." Because they last year after year after year without any maintenance. Like I said, a buck a day to wear a set of G3s instead of many dollars a day to wear anything else. Otherwise they'd have to buy a new set of waders every year. Get out there, Richard. See for yourself. I haven't the slightest interest in seeing anything that requires going to some silly-assed "lodge"...and that especially includes many of the folks that go to them (and no, I don't mean that as a shot at you). HTH, R |
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Hmmmm. Just talked on the phone with Nicole Apple. She and her
husband Jason own/operate Xclusive Xpeditions and can book a trip to just about anywhere. Her picture is on the June 07 copy of Fly Rod & Reel. Pretty lady. Met them at a fly show a couple years ago. They're out of Bellevue, Washington. I asked her about the Simms she is wearing in the picture. "Oh, they're the best." And, of course I had to ask, "Does Simms give you and your guides a discount on them?" Her answer was "NO!" When I said that I have heard guides get a discount on Simms, she said that was news to her. I know the guides in Alaska and Kamchatka bought the waders themselves because I remarked about the Simms label at an Orvis lodge. As far as coming and visiting you to go fishing, uh, no thanks. I have my own place in Maine and Georgia, thank you very much, plus the pedestrian Lakewood Cabins on the Rapid. You should visit some of these exotic spots that you own, Richard. And, send us a TR. It's been years since you've posted a TR. Probably longer than I've owned my Simms G3s. Remember, a dollar a day for 400 days is a good deal. Of course to you, with all your money and influence, *that* would be pedestrian. I was in WalMart yesterday to get some car wax (yes, I'm forced to wax my own car, how pedestrian, unlike you with Jeeves to do it) and noticed they sell Haggar slacks and jackets. I mean, we are talking some inexpensive stuff here, Richard. I mean, why, why would you buy Sevile Row when you can get 20 of these perfectly good Haggars for about the same price? Oh, I understand, you wanna *look* good, but I've got news for you, Richard - you would look just as good in a Haggar outfit as your $2000 Sevile Row 44P. Of course Jeeves might look down his nose at you, but, what the hell....... d;o) This is fun. |
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Forgot to add that the April issue of Fly Rod & Reel has this to say
about the Simms G3s: ".......This is top-of-the-line stuff - possible the best waders that have been made to date -for anglers whose gear sees unremitting use you know, Richard, 400 days in 4 years! and who'd rather pay top dollar once than buy new waders every year or two." Buy new waders every year or two? Sounds familiar. Could be because they have been patched so many times that a new pair is necessary, or the person is tired of getting wet and cold. Yeah, I can understand that. Gee, that do sound like one of dem dare endorsement thingies. d;o) |
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On Fri, 11 May 2007 16:13:44 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote: ...but I've got news for you, Richard - you would look just as good in a Haggar outfit as your $2000 Sevile Row... I own no "Sevile Row" anything, but I have no doubt that anyone would look just as good in Haggar as they would in anything from good ol' "Sevile Row"...or Harts, Shaefer, and Marx... Geez, you're just so unsavilized, R ....and you really ought to quit shopping at Orvis-approved streetcorners...I can hardly wait to hear what an investment your Patrick Phillippi watch was. And $2000? What kinda cheap crap are you gonna get for that...Armani or something? |
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On Fri, 11 May 2007 16:03:13 -0500, wrote:
And $2000? What kinda cheap crap are you gonna get for that...Armani or something? d;o) |
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On Fri, 11 May 2007 16:55:04 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote: Forgot to add that the April issue of Fly Rod & Reel has this to say about the Simms G3s: ".......This is top-of-the-line stuff - possible the best waders that have been made to date -for anglers whose gear sees unremitting use you know, Richard, 400 days in 4 years! and who'd rather pay top dollar once than buy new waders every year or two." Gee, Simms can't be too happy about that...what's the point in anyone spending $700USD for the G4 when they can get possible better for $400.00...and what about anglers whose gear sees remitting use? Buy new waders every year or two? Sounds familiar. Could be because they have been patched so many times that a new pair is necessary, or the person is tired of getting wet and cold. Or they read the April issue of Fly Rod & Reel and wanna be a rugged flyfisherman, too... Yeah, I can understand that. Hey, I've no doubt... Gee, that do sound like one of dem dare endorsement thingies. And on what page is the Simms ad? HTH, R ....did they say anything about clumsy old stumblebums riding bicycles in them? |
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Dave LaCourse wrote:
Forgot to add that the April issue of Fly Rod & Reel has this to say about the Simms G3s: ".......This is top-of-the-line stuff - possible the best waders that have been made to date -for anglers whose gear sees unremitting use you know, Richard, 400 days in 4 years! and who'd rather pay top dollar once than buy new waders every year or two." Buy new waders every year or two? Sounds familiar. Could be because they have been patched so many times that a new pair is necessary, or the person is tired of getting wet and cold. Yeah, I can understand that. Gee, that do sound like one of dem dare endorsement thingies. d;o) If I spent over 100 grand a year buying advertising space in their magazine like Simms does _Fly Rod & Reel_ would lay one of dem dare endorsement thingies on my beer farts. "For anglers who demand the very best, possibly the best beer farts ever cut." LOL !! That's not to say they aren't good waders, (or beer farts ;-), just that an "endorsement" from a fly fishing rag ain't worth the paper it's written on. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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On Fri, 11 May 2007 16:26:25 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: Dave LaCourse wrote: Forgot to add that the April issue of Fly Rod & Reel has this to say about the Simms G3s: ".......This is top-of-the-line stuff - possible the best waders that have been made to date -for anglers whose gear sees unremitting use you know, Richard, 400 days in 4 years! and who'd rather pay top dollar once than buy new waders every year or two." Buy new waders every year or two? Sounds familiar. Could be because they have been patched so many times that a new pair is necessary, or the person is tired of getting wet and cold. Yeah, I can understand that. Gee, that do sound like one of dem dare endorsement thingies. d;o) If I spent over 100 grand a year buying advertising space in their magazine like Simms does _Fly Rod & Reel_ would lay one of dem dare endorsement thingies on my beer farts. "For anglers who demand the very best, possibly the best beer farts ever cut." LOL !! That's not to say they aren't good waders, (or beer farts ;-), just that an "endorsement" from a fly fishing rag ain't worth the paper it's written on. You're just jealous because Bud farts don't smell as good as Sleman farts. They gave Cabela's, Patagonia, and William Joseph good reviews and they all advertise in the magazine (full page). However, there is NO Simms ad. One other wader manufacturer, Rivendell, advertises but didn't get a write-up. They are supposed to have "new for 2007 - zippered breathable waders." However, the latest issue has a full page ad by Simms, but so does Reddington and they didn't review Reddington's waders. Hodgman has a 1/3 page ad with no review. Hmm. They do have an ad by Winston which I consider the best rod on the market. New thread material. What is the best off-the-shelf fly rod? And I bet it's not made on Seville Row, or Sevile Row for that matter. Just checked - there *is* a Sevile Row. Imagine that? d;o) |
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"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
If it's true, that is. Hafta ask Wally about that one. Oh what the hell; I'll relate my own short tale as a "company man". Not for my fishing prowess, of course; but I used to be a not half bad sailboat racer. I was no America's Cup level guy, but my local success was such that at least a couple of sail lofts were willing to give me a decent price break to get their sails on my boat. One loft offered me sails at cost (a substantial discount considering my income at the time). I accepted, they cut me a new genoa, and off I went. In short, the sail sucked. It seemed as though I was sailing backwards whenever I put it up. I'd lose a couple of places to the fleet on a single leg. I hated losing more than I hated spending money. After two weeks, I put that sail in a bag and never took it out again. Never even paid for it (Hell, I don't even think I spoke to him again.). Went with a different loft. Won the championship. Moral of the story - if your livelihood depends on success, it don't matter if you get **** for free; it still has to do what it's supposed to do. Joe F. |
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Dave LaCourse wrote in
: If it's true, that is. Hafta ask Wally about that one. I know plenty of guides, and held the price sheet from Simms in my own hot little hands about two years ago. I'm not sure if it was 40% or 50%, but it was one of those. So far as I know, just about every major manufacturer in the industry, rods, reels, waders, etc., offers substantial discounts to guides, as each guide is essentially a walking advertisement. In fact, the guy who showed me the price list was trying to talk me into getting a NY guiding license, and pulled out a stack of price lists to make his argument more compelling. -- Scott Reverse name to reply |
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On Fri, 11 May 2007 22:21:13 GMT, "rb608"
wrote: Moral of the story - if your livelihood depends on success, it don't matter if you get **** for free; it still has to do what it's supposed to do. Amen. Great story, Joe. |
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On 11 May 2007 22:25:03 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote: I know plenty of guides, and held the price sheet from Simms in my own hot little hands about two years ago. I'm not sure if it was 40% or 50%, but it was one of those. So far as I know, just about every major manufacturer in the industry, rods, reels, waders, etc., offers substantial discounts to guides, as each guide is essentially a walking advertisement. In fact, the guy who showed me the price list was trying to talk me into getting a NY guiding license, and pulled out a stack of price lists to make his argument more compelling. That may be true for NY, Scott, but as Joe has said, it doesn't really matter. It is WHAT you get that counts. If Simms does it, I'm betting that Patagonia, Dan Baily, LLBean, et al do it, and I know Orvis does it, yet most of the guides I see are using G3s, including the guides at Orvis lodges. Why? Because the things are so damn good. Pay 400 bucks for more than 400 days of use. Such a deal. |
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Dave LaCourse wrote in
: On 11 May 2007 22:25:03 GMT, Scott Seidman wrote: I know plenty of guides, and held the price sheet from Simms in my own hot little hands about two years ago. I'm not sure if it was 40% or 50%, but it was one of those. So far as I know, just about every major manufacturer in the industry, rods, reels, waders, etc., offers substantial discounts to guides, as each guide is essentially a walking advertisement. In fact, the guy who showed me the price list was trying to talk me into getting a NY guiding license, and pulled out a stack of price lists to make his argument more compelling. That may be true for NY, Scott, but as Joe has said, it doesn't really matter. It is WHAT you get that counts. If Simms does it, I'm betting that Patagonia, Dan Baily, LLBean, et al do it, and I know Orvis does it, yet most of the guides I see are using G3s, including the guides at Orvis lodges. Why? Because the things are so damn good. Pay 400 bucks for more than 400 days of use. Such a deal. I'm not disagreeing, Dave, but you seemed rather impressed that the guides were paying $200 more for the Simms waders rather than buying heavily discounted Orvis waders. The price difference for the guides really isn't that big. Yeah, Simms does make really good waders, and to many folks, the extra money is money well spent. -- Scott Reverse name to reply |
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I own no "Sevile Row" anything, but I have no doubt that anyone would
look just as good in Haggar as they would in anything from good ol' "Sevile Row"...or Harts, Shaefer, and Marx... Don't knock HS&M. That stuff looks good and lasts forever. Frank Reid (oopsy, think I just started another one) |
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That's not to say they aren't good waders, (or beer farts ;-), just
that an "endorsement" from a fly fishing rag ain't worth the paper it's written on. Okay, how 'bout this one. I wear Dan Baileys with the lifetime warrantee. I've been told I'm tough on gear (blew out two sets of new waders within 3 days of each other). Ended up with the Baileys and haven't looked back. Comfortable, they wear well, and they've yet to leak on me. Frank Reid |
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Flytyer37 wrote:
That's not to say they aren't good waders, (or beer farts ;-), just that an "endorsement" from a fly fishing rag ain't worth the paper it's written on. Okay, how 'bout this one. I wear Dan Baileys with the lifetime warrantee. I've been told I'm tough on gear (blew out two sets of new waders within 3 days of each other). Ended up with the Baileys and haven't looked back. Comfortable, they wear well, and they've yet to leak on me. Yep, now *that's* an endorsement I trust. And endorsements like that are one of the best reasons to hang around this place. -- Ken Fortenberry |
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On 11 May 2007 16:03:34 -0700, Flytyer37 wrote:
That's not to say they aren't good waders, (or beer farts ;-), just that an "endorsement" from a fly fishing rag ain't worth the paper it's written on. Okay, how 'bout this one. I wear Dan Baileys with the lifetime warrantee. I've been told I'm tough on gear (blew out two sets of new waders within 3 days of each other). Ended up with the Baileys and haven't looked back. Comfortable, they wear well, and they've yet to leak on me. Frank Reid ' And the Baileys get a good write-up in the mag, *without* any ads. |
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On Fri, 11 May 2007 18:09:40 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: Flytyer37 wrote: That's not to say they aren't good waders, (or beer farts ;-), just that an "endorsement" from a fly fishing rag ain't worth the paper it's written on. Okay, how 'bout this one. I wear Dan Baileys with the lifetime warrantee. I've been told I'm tough on gear (blew out two sets of new waders within 3 days of each other). Ended up with the Baileys and haven't looked back. Comfortable, they wear well, and they've yet to leak on me. Yep, now *that's* an endorsement I trust. And endorsements like that are one of the best reasons to hang around this place. Well hell, and **** you very much. What is my endorsement? Chopped liver? Harumph. |
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"Flytyer37" wrote in message oups.com... Okay, how 'bout this one. I wear Dan Baileys with the lifetime warrantee. I've been told I'm tough on gear (blew out two sets of new waders within 3 days of each other). Ended up with the Baileys and haven't looked back. Comfortable, they wear well, and they've yet to leak on me. Frank Reid You, my man, ARE tough on waders.....I will vouch for you. IIRC, your Bailey's cost a wee bit less than $400, let alone $700. The cost of the Simms are ludicrous, and I don't care how tough they are, unless perhaps bulletproof. I, proud owner of the same pair of Orvis lightweights for 8 years, and another no-name brand of breathables for like the past 6 years, figure that 14 years of pretty solid fishing time, for less than $200, left me a lot of money for other things. As Rick is fond of saying, YMMV. Tom |
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"Tom Littleton" wrote in news:qb71i.882$He1.35
@trndny04: The cost of the Simms are ludicrous, and I don't care how tough they are, unless perhaps bulletproof. Simms has some lower end waders, somewhat above their lowest end, that ring in at about $200 -- Scott Reverse name to reply |
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Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2007 18:09:40 -0500, Ken Fortenberry wrote: Flytyer37 wrote: That's not to say they aren't good waders, (or beer farts ;-), just that an "endorsement" from a fly fishing rag ain't worth the paper it's written on. Okay, how 'bout this one. I wear Dan Baileys with the lifetime warrantee. I've been told I'm tough on gear (blew out two sets of new waders within 3 days of each other). Ended up with the Baileys and haven't looked back. Comfortable, they wear well, and they've yet to leak on me. Yep, now *that's* an endorsement I trust. And endorsements like that are one of the best reasons to hang around this place. Well hell, and **** you very much. What is my endorsement? Chopped liver? Harumph. Geez, calm down Louie. I didn't say your endorsement of Simm's was any less trustworthy than Frank's endorsement of Bailey's, just that I don't trust the fly fishing rags. There was a time however when you had Orvis everywhere and I would have been somewhat skeptical of an Orvis endorsement. ;-) -- Ken Fortenberry |
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On Fri, 11 May 2007 23:42:14 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote: You, my man, ARE tough on waders.....I will vouch for you. IIRC, your Bailey's cost a wee bit less than $400, let alone $700. The cost of the Simms are ludicrous, and I don't care how tough they are, unless perhaps bulletpro Why would anyone buy G7 for $700 when G3s can be had for 400? Seems like a bad move to me by Simms, even if they do have a fly. |
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On 11 May 2007 16:00:21 -0700, Flytyer37 wrote:
I own no "Sevile Row" anything, but I have no doubt that anyone would look just as good in Haggar as they would in anything from good ol' "Sevile Row"...or Harts, Shaefer, and Marx... Don't knock HS&M. That stuff looks good and lasts forever. Yeah, and Rolux and Omayga make some fine watches, too... ....now, if you're talking about Hart, Schaffner & Marx, that's a different company...they aren't bespoke, but at least they aren't on "Sevile" Row... Frank Reid (oopsy, think I just started another one) Well, there's always Oxxford... HTH, R |
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On Fri, 11 May 2007 17:34:26 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote: On Fri, 11 May 2007 16:03:13 -0500, wrote: I own no "Sevile Row" anything, but I have no doubt that anyone would look just as good in Haggar as they would in anything from good ol' "Sevile Row". Oh, golly, excuse me, I left off an l. Seville Row? Is that better. Oh, much, much...more amusing... Do they really make 46 portlies at the tailors on Seville Row? I have no idea. They must, otherwise you wouldn't shop there. Well, amongst other reasons...including the biggest reason of all... Don't wear double breasted, Richard. It'll make you look *twice* as big as you are. d;o( If you say so...you're obviously a man who nose klothes... And yeah, this is still fun. I'd say it's more amusing for some than others... If it'll help, you're REALLY unsavilized, R d;o) |
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On Fri, 11 May 2007 23:42:14 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote: "Flytyer37" wrote in message roups.com... Okay, how 'bout this one. I wear Dan Baileys with the lifetime warrantee. I've been told I'm tough on gear (blew out two sets of new waders within 3 days of each other). Ended up with the Baileys and haven't looked back. Comfortable, they wear well, and they've yet to leak on me. Frank Reid You, my man, ARE tough on waders.....I will vouch for you. IIRC, your Bailey's cost a wee bit less than $400, let alone $700. The cost of the Simms are ludicrous, and I don't care how tough they are, unless perhaps bulletproof. I, proud owner of the same pair of Orvis lightweights for 8 years, and another no-name brand of breathables for like the past 6 years, figure that 14 years of pretty solid fishing time, for less than $200, left me a lot of money for other things. As Rick is fond of saying, YMMV. Yeah, but you're fat, can't ride a bike, and fish for what, an hour a year or something...if actually fished once in a while, those Orvis waders would be in tatters before you got your second foot in them...just check last month's issue of "Brian Keith's Outdoor Ruggedness" for proof...it's the review right across from the Simms ad - the one showing Charles Nelson Reilly benchpressing a '73 Buick in his waders... TC, R Tom |
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On Fri, 11 May 2007 19:21:43 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2007 17:34:26 -0400, Dave LaCourse wrote: On Fri, 11 May 2007 16:03:13 -0500, wrote: I own no "Sevile Row" anything, but I have no doubt that anyone would look just as good in Haggar as they would in anything from good ol' "Sevile Row". Oh, golly, excuse me, I left off an l. Seville Row? Is that better. Oh, much, much...more amusing... Do they really make 46 portlies at the tailors on Seville Row? I have no idea. They must, otherwise you wouldn't shop there. Well, amongst other reasons...including the biggest reason of all... Don't wear double breasted, Richard. It'll make you look *twice* as big as you are. d;o( If you say so...you're obviously a man who nose klothes... And yeah, this is still fun. I'd say it's more amusing for some than others... If it'll help, you're REALLY unsavilized, R Yeah, but I have more TRs than you. You do fish, don't you? |
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On Fri, 11 May 2007 18:53:19 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote: There was a time however when you had Orvis everywhere and I would have been somewhat skeptical of an Orvis endorsement. ;-) Yes, those were the days of $200 waders for 20 days of fishing. And in one case, $250 for 3 days. Nothing worse than a catostrophic wader failure when you're in Labrador. Well, maybe a stick in the eye is worse, cttoi. |
A little "what the pros use" story...
On Fri, 11 May 2007 20:33:21 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote: On Fri, 11 May 2007 19:21:43 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 11 May 2007 17:34:26 -0400, Dave LaCourse wrote: On Fri, 11 May 2007 16:03:13 -0500, wrote: I own no "Sevile Row" anything, but I have no doubt that anyone would look just as good in Haggar as they would in anything from good ol' "Sevile Row". Oh, golly, excuse me, I left off an l. Seville Row? Is that better. Oh, much, much...more amusing... Do they really make 46 portlies at the tailors on Seville Row? I have no idea. They must, otherwise you wouldn't shop there. Well, amongst other reasons...including the biggest reason of all... Don't wear double breasted, Richard. It'll make you look *twice* as big as you are. d;o( If you say so...you're obviously a man who nose klothes... And yeah, this is still fun. I'd say it's more amusing for some than others... If it'll help, you're REALLY unsavilized, R Yeah, but I have more TRs than you. You do fish, don't you? BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Hey, maybe it'll help, maybe it won't, R |
A little "what the pros use" story...
"Scott Seidman" wrote in message . 1.4... Dave LaCourse wrote in : On 11 May 2007 22:25:03 GMT, Scott Seidman wrote: I know plenty of guides, and held the price sheet from Simms in my own hot little hands about two years ago. I'm not sure if it was 40% or 50%, but it was one of those. So far as I know, just about every major manufacturer in the industry, rods, reels, waders, etc., offers substantial discounts to guides, as each guide is essentially a walking advertisement. In fact, the guy who showed me the price list was trying to talk me into getting a NY guiding license, and pulled out a stack of price lists to make his argument more compelling. That may be true for NY, Scott, but as Joe has said, it doesn't really matter. It is WHAT you get that counts. If Simms does it, I'm betting that Patagonia, Dan Baily, LLBean, et al do it, and I know Orvis does it, yet most of the guides I see are using G3s, including the guides at Orvis lodges. Why? Because the things are so damn good. Pay 400 bucks for more than 400 days of use. Such a deal. I'm not disagreeing, Dave, but you seemed rather impressed that the guides were paying $200 more for the Simms waders rather than buying heavily discounted Orvis waders. The price difference for the guides really isn't that big. Yeah, Simms does make really good waders, and to many folks, the extra money is money well spent. I don't suppose there's a GOOD place to inject the observation that price, performance and durability are not the only possible explanations for high demand for a particular piece of consumer goods among a particular subset of the population, so I'll just do it here. A GOOD guide will tell me where the fish are and what they want to eat. Then, he or she will shut the **** up and sit on his or her well-tailored ass and become VERY silent, invisible.....and immobile. In short, a GOOD guide can probably find a way to make Simms G3 waders last just about as long as my eight year old unpatched $60 Hodgman whateverthe****s. In any case, a guide's livelihood doesn't depend on good waders. It depends on good service. Well, actually, it depends on convincing the sport that good service was rendered.....which amounts to roughly the same thing. So, why do the majority of guides were Simms waders (assuming, against one's better judgment, that this is in fact the case)? Who knows? Who ****ing cares? The bottom line is this: anyone who can't make a set of waders last for several years and is concerned about it should give up whatever costly and undoubtedly dangerous activity he or she is engaged in and take up something gentler and more contemplative......like, fishing, for example. Wolfgang i mean, good god, people! :( |
A little "what the pros use" story...
"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 May 2007 16:26:25 -0500, Ken Fortenberry wrote: Dave LaCourse wrote: Forgot to add that the April issue of Fly Rod & Reel has this to say about the Simms G3s: ".......This is top-of-the-line stuff - possible the best waders that have been made to date -for anglers whose gear sees unremitting use you know, Richard, 400 days in 4 years! and who'd rather pay top dollar once than buy new waders every year or two." Buy new waders every year or two? Sounds familiar. Could be because they have been patched so many times that a new pair is necessary, or the person is tired of getting wet and cold. Yeah, I can understand that. Gee, that do sound like one of dem dare endorsement thingies. d;o) If I spent over 100 grand a year buying advertising space in their magazine like Simms does _Fly Rod & Reel_ would lay one of dem dare endorsement thingies on my beer farts. "For anglers who demand the very best, possibly the best beer farts ever cut." LOL !! That's not to say they aren't good waders, (or beer farts ;-), just that an "endorsement" from a fly fishing rag ain't worth the paper it's written on. You're just jealous because Bud farts don't smell as good as Sleman farts. They gave Cabela's, Patagonia, and William Joseph good reviews and they all advertise in the magazine (full page). However, there is NO Simms ad. One other wader manufacturer, Rivendell, advertises but didn't get a write-up. They are supposed to have "new for 2007 - zippered breathable waders." However, the latest issue has a full page ad by Simms, but so does Reddington and they didn't review Reddington's waders. Hodgman has a 1/3 page ad with no review. Hmm. They do have an ad by Winston which I consider the best rod on the market. New thread material. What is the best off-the-shelf fly rod? And I bet it's not made on Seville Row, or Sevile Row for that matter. Just checked - there *is* a Sevile Row. Imagine that? I just checked. The only rod on the shelf was made by Joel Axelrad. Damned fine rod. Caught fish with it just five days ago. Would certainly have done so again today.....if I had used it.....and will undoubtedly do so again when next I unsheathe it in less than a week. If anyone has a rod that will do better than that.....well, he's a liar. It has been said that the unexamined life is not worth living. It does not follow as implicit that taking a good long hard look in the mirror should be taken as sufficient cause for you guys to refrain from eating a bullet. Morons. Wolfgang o.k., yeah, i'm a bit testy this evening. all this philosophy has distracted me from a long and achingly anticipated musing on the best knot for attaching fly line to leader. :( |
A little "what the pros use" story...
Wolfgang wrote:
In any case, a guide's livelihood doesn't depend on good waders. It depends on good service. Well, actually, it depends on convincing the sport that good service was rendered.....which amounts to roughly the same thing. So, why do the majority of guides were Simms waders (assuming, against one's better judgment, that this is in fact the case)? Who knows? Who ****ing cares? Wolfgang i mean, good god, people! :( I guide, on occasion. I usually wade wet in the summer, so don;t usually wear wades when guiding. I still get guide prices on waders (just bought a pair, in fact). I doubt any of my clients will see them. Still, they are nice waders, and I was happy to accept the discount. I also get guide pricing on reels and rods. Clients rarely see those either. Still, I like the discount. Why do I get the discounts? Don't know, don't care. I also don't think most of the people I take fishing care either. Can;tr imagine why any of them would. They seem to care moire about what I have to tell them about catching fish. Tim Lysyk |
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