Killer Frog
 

I just got some frogs from GoTo Baits in the mail last week. They float
jsut about perfectly. I've been busy all weekend framing in some space in
my barn, but I did toss a couple of these new baits in the sink. Cool.
They float about as perfectly like a real frog in the water as I have ever
seen. The owner, Randy Lisk (did I get the name right?) even took the time
to tell me the best way he has found to rig them.

I can't wait to get these bad boys out on the water. I amy even take a day
off work (if I can) just to try them out. I did rig one and try it in the
wimming pool. Nice. They just paddle right along. Really sharp profile in
the water too. That should put some fish in the boat.

I had originally ask Randy to pour me a custom color, but he also sent me a
bunch of samples in other colors to try as well as his crystal stick baits.
I wasn't to turned on by the Crystal Sticks until I held one in my hand and
actually saw it up close and personal. WOW! This is one shapr looking
bait. I tossed one of them in the pool wacky rigged to try it. It sank
just a littel slower than a senko, but it seemed like it had easily a third
more wiggle as it fell.

Exciting stuff.


--
Bob La Londe
Fishing Arizona & The Colorado River
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Killer Frog
 

Bob La Londe wrote:
I just got some frogs from GoTo Baits in the mail last week. They float
jsut about perfectly. I've been busy all weekend framing in some space in
my barn, but I did toss a couple of these new baits in the sink. Cool.
They float about as perfectly like a real frog in the water as I have ever
seen. The owner, Randy Lisk (did I get the name right?) even took the time
to tell me the best way he has found to rig them.

Bob do the legs sink a little with it just sitting on the water,
floating nose up ?



--
Rodney Long
SpecTastic tackle company

http://spectastictackle.com/

Killer Frog
 

On May 13, 7:59 pm, Rodney Long wrote:
Bob La Londe wrote:
I just got some frogs from GoTo Baits in the mail last week. They float
jsut about perfectly. I've been busy all weekend framing in some space in
my barn, but I did toss a couple of these new baits in the sink. Cool.
They float about as perfectly like a real frog in the water as I have ever
seen. The owner, Randy Lisk (did I get the name right?) even took the time
to tell me the best way he has found to rig them.

Bob do the legs sink a little with it just sitting on the water,
floating nose up ?

--
Rodney Long
SpecTastic tackle company

http://spectastictackle.com/


Its actually mostly eyeballs up. The tip of the nose was just a hair
under. The legs looked good, but they didn't hang way down. They
were just under the surface so they can kick up a bit of commotion
when its retrieved.

Basically its a slow distrubance bait similar to a Horny toad, but
because it has flat paddle feet the legs will move more with less
movement, and because its a floater it can be retrieved slow or
fast.


--
Bob La Londe
Fishing Arizona & The Colorado River
Fishing Forums & Contests
http://www.YumaBassMan.com

Killer Frog
 

Bob La Londe wrote:

Its actually mostly eyeballs up. The tip of the nose was just a hair
under. The legs looked good, but they didn't hang way down. They
were just under the surface so they can kick up a bit of commotion
when its retrieved.

Basically its a slow distrubance bait similar to a Horny toad, but
because it has flat paddle feet the legs will move more with less
movement, and because its a floater it can be retrieved slow or
fast.

I hate to admit this but I have never used a frog.

Could you or Randy post a photo of this with the hook in it, so I can
see how it is rigged over at alt.binaries.pictures.fishing

I would guess this would be very effective fishing the pads ? does it
have other locations it would be effective ?

On the retrieve, would very short little jerks be most effective, or
just a slow retrieve ?


--
Bob La Londe
Fishing Arizona & The Colorado River
Fishing Forums & Contests
http://www.YumaBassMan.com




--
Rodney Long
SpecTastic tackle company

http://spectastictackle.com/

Killer Frog
 

"Rodney Long" wrote in message SNIP

I hate to admit this but I have never used a frog.

Could you or Randy post a photo of this with the hook in it, so I can see
how it is rigged over at alt.binaries.pictures.fishing

I would guess this would be very effective fishing the pads ? does it have
other locations it would be effective ?

On the retrieve, would very short little jerks be most effective, or just
a slow retrieve ?

They can be rigged with a screw in type hook or simply rigged Tex-posed
using a 4/0 or 5/0 wide gapped hook.

As far as the retrieve, that totally depends on the mood the fish are in on
that particular day. I've had days where the fish wanted a slow and steady
retrieve. I've had other days when it had to be moving fairly fast to be
bit. Then too, I've caught them on a slow, stop and go retrieve or
twitched.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com

Killer Frog
 

On May 14, 6:36 am, Rodney Long wrote:
Bob La Londe wrote:

Its actually mostly eyeballs up. The tip of the nose was just a hair
under. The legs looked good, but they didn't hang way down. They
were just under the surface so they can kick up a bit of commotion
when its retrieved.

Basically its a slow distrubance bait similar to a Horny toad, but
because it has flat paddle feet the legs will move more with less
movement, and because its a floater it can be retrieved slow or
fast.

I hate to admit this but I have never used a frog.

Frogs can very exciting to fish... and sometimes very frustrating.


Could you or Randy post a photo of this with the hook in it, so I can
see how it is rigged over at alt.binaries.pictures.fishing

I don't have any of the perfect hooks for this frog yet, but basically
a wide gap copper head (hitchhiker) in 2/0 or 3/0 depending on the
manufacturer.


I would guess this would be very effective fishing the pads ? does it
have other locations it would be effective ?

Yes and yes. Basically anyplace you fish topwater it could be
effective.

On the retrieve, would very short little jerks be most effective, or
just a slow retrieve ?

Its a bait that can be fished stop and go. Long pause, continuous
slow or continuous fast. Really topwater is one of those areas where
the fish really do tell you what they want.

Killer Frog
 

Actually,

These are best rigged with a screw type hook. I tried the Owner screw tight
(name may be wrong but you get the idea) and was disappointed with the
results. the screw in part has the tag end piece of metal through the middle
of the screw to align the screw in part during rigging. This seemed to
weaken the hold on the bait and the screw was ripping from the bait on
phantom hooksets and missed fish. We are working on our own hook and hope to
have them available by June. I believe the horney toad hooks work well, but
Randy would know better since I can't find them near me.

In the meantime, I have been using a 4/0 widegap hook and pegging the nose
with a toothpick in the eye of the hook (old school). The way this is done,
t-rig the frog but make sure the eye is inside the bait a bit.(the bend of
the hook should be just behind the crotch of the frog and the point will sit
in the slot). Take a ROUND toothpick and push it through the top of the bait
and firmly into the eye of the hook so it stays fast. clip the rest of the
toothpick off and trim anything sticking out the bottom. This has worked
very well as an alternative to screw lock hooks. Being that toothpicks cost
about .050 cents a piece + widegap hook compared to about $1.00 per hook for
screw locking models.

You can use this pegging method for any type of bait that you find slides
down the hook too soon making you rig a new one often.

Hope this helps,

Dave V.
www.gotobaits.com

"Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers" wrote in message
...

"Rodney Long" wrote in message SNIP

I hate to admit this but I have never used a frog.

Could you or Randy post a photo of this with the hook in it, so I can see
how it is rigged over at alt.binaries.pictures.fishing

I would guess this would be very effective fishing the pads ? does it
have other locations it would be effective ?

On the retrieve, would very short little jerks be most effective, or just
a slow retrieve ?

They can be rigged with a screw in type hook or simply rigged Tex-posed
using a 4/0 or 5/0 wide gapped hook.

As far as the retrieve, that totally depends on the mood the fish are in
on that particular day. I've had days where the fish wanted a slow and
steady retrieve. I've had other days when it had to be moving fairly fast
to be bit. Then too, I've caught them on a slow, stop and go retrieve or
twitched.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com

Killer Frog
 

Bob, The 3/0 from Owner was much too small. I would definately go with a 4/0
regardless of manufacturer.

Dave V
www.gotobaits.com

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
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On May 14, 6:36 am, Rodney Long wrote:
Bob La Londe wrote:

Its actually mostly eyeballs up. The tip of the nose was just a hair
under. The legs looked good, but they didn't hang way down. They
were just under the surface so they can kick up a bit of commotion
when its retrieved.

Basically its a slow distrubance bait similar to a Horny toad, but
because it has flat paddle feet the legs will move more with less
movement, and because its a floater it can be retrieved slow or
fast.

I hate to admit this but I have never used a frog.

Frogs can very exciting to fish... and sometimes very frustrating.


Could you or Randy post a photo of this with the hook in it, so I can
see how it is rigged over at alt.binaries.pictures.fishing

I don't have any of the perfect hooks for this frog yet, but basically
a wide gap copper head (hitchhiker) in 2/0 or 3/0 depending on the
manufacturer.


I would guess this would be very effective fishing the pads ? does it
have other locations it would be effective ?

Yes and yes. Basically anyplace you fish topwater it could be
effective.

On the retrieve, would very short little jerks be most effective, or
just a slow retrieve ?

Its a bait that can be fished stop and go. Long pause, continuous
slow or continuous fast. Really topwater is one of those areas where
the fish really do tell you what they want.

Killer Frog
 

On May 14, 4:04 pm, "Dave Vito" wrote:
Bob, The 3/0 from Owner was much too small. I would definately go with a 4/0
regardless of manufacturer.


A lot of the Owner hooks are shorter front to back than other brands
of the same size.

Compare an Owner Riggin' Hook to a Gamakatsu EWG Super Line hook for
instance.

Killer Frog
 

The Gamakatsu EWG hooks work better in the 4/0. I do see what you are
saying, the owner came through the bait so far forward that the hook point
went past the slot, where the Gamakatsu point was just at the beginning of
the slot.

With the Horney toads, we used the 4/0 texposer hooks. These may work well
for our frogs too, but you still want to use some sort of pegging system.
I'll have more hook info on the frogs after the weekend. I think its Gammy
who puts out the new Z-Lock tube hooks. They have an extra bend where the
bait holds to the hook. it's a widegap hook as well. I may try them and will
get back to you.

Dave V



"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
oups.com...
On May 14, 4:04 pm, "Dave Vito" wrote:
Bob, The 3/0 from Owner was much too small. I would definately go with a
4/0
regardless of manufacturer.


A lot of the Owner hooks are shorter front to back than other brands
of the same size.

Compare an Owner Riggin' Hook to a Gamakatsu EWG Super Line hook for
instance.

Killer Frog
 

I have used the 3/0 zoom horny toad hooks, I would definetly suggest a screw
lock hitchhiker. It eliminates the ripped baits, sliding baits etc. frogs
always stay right side up( a big problem with the zoom) I won't rig a frog
without it, I will also start using them on flukes as well.

I am working on a deal with a manufacturer to get those hooks in bulk.
samples will be here this week. I'll see how they are.

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"Dave Vito" wrote in message
news:Pze2i.4405$R97.4056@trndny03...
The Gamakatsu EWG hooks work better in the 4/0. I do see what you are
saying, the owner came through the bait so far forward that the hook point
went past the slot, where the Gamakatsu point was just at the beginning
of the slot.

With the Horney toads, we used the 4/0 texposer hooks. These may work well
for our frogs too, but you still want to use some sort of pegging system.
I'll have more hook info on the frogs after the weekend. I think its Gammy
who puts out the new Z-Lock tube hooks. They have an extra bend where the
bait holds to the hook. it's a widegap hook as well. I may try them and
will get back to you.

Dave V



"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
oups.com...
On May 14, 4:04 pm, "Dave Vito" wrote:
Bob, The 3/0 from Owner was much too small. I would definately go with a
4/0
regardless of manufacturer.


A lot of the Owner hooks are shorter front to back than other brands
of the same size.

Compare an Owner Riggin' Hook to a Gamakatsu EWG Super Line hook for
instance.

Killer Frog
 

On May 15, 3:00 am, "Fishking" wrote:
I have used the 3/0 zoom horny toad hooks, I would definetly suggest a screw
lock hitchhiker. It eliminates the ripped baits, sliding baits etc. frogs
always stay right side up( a big problem with the zoom) I won't rig a frog
without it, I will also start using them on flukes as well.

I am working on a deal with a manufacturer to get those hooks in bulk.
samples will be here this week. I'll see how they are.

--
WWW.GOTOBAITS.COM
PREMIUM HAND POURED BAITS"Dave Vito" wrote in message

news:Pze2i.4405$R97.4056@trndny03...



The Gamakatsu EWG hooks work better in the 4/0. I do see what you are
saying, the owner came through the bait so far forward that the hook point
went past the slot, where the Gamakatsu point was just at the beginning
of the slot.

With the Horney toads, we used the 4/0 texposer hooks. These may work well
for our frogs too, but you still want to use some sort of pegging system.
I'll have more hook info on the frogs after the weekend. I think its Gammy
who puts out the new Z-Lock tube hooks. They have an extra bend where the
bait holds to the hook. it's a widegap hook as well. I may try them and
will get back to you.

Dave V

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
roups.com...
On May 14, 4:04 pm, "Dave Vito" wrote:
Bob, The 3/0 from Owner was much too small. I would definately go with a
4/0
regardless of manufacturer.

A lot of the Owner hooks are shorter front to back than other brands
of the same size.

Compare an Owner Riggin' Hook to a Gamakatsu EWG Super Line hook for
instance.- Hide quoted text -

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I have seen the hitch hikers available in loose packages at local
tackle stores. I think they were originallly produced by TTI for
their Daiichi Buttdragers and Copperheads. You might try contacting
TJ about buying the Hitch Hikers in bulk. He might also have a wide
gap suitable for use with it. I know I don't think the regular copper
head has a wide enough gap for a frog, but it might be good for t-
rigging a senko or fluke.

Another option for hooks that should easily be available in bulk that
would or should work with the Hitchikers. A jig hook. They make them
in wide gap in bulk for making jigs. Why not use them with a
Copperhead screw or Hitch Hiker as hook only instead of a jig.