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....come another washing day!

Andy

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In article , Andy Lawson
wrote:
...come another washing day!

The weather cleared for -just- long enough for the river to more or less run
off this morning - went out at 5.30 and took half a dozen brownies then the
rain came back and it coloured up again.

Cheerio,

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In article , Derek Moody
writes
In article , Andy Lawson
wrote:
...come another washing day!

The weather cleared for -just- long enough for the river to more or less run
off this morning - went out at 5.30 and took half a dozen brownies then the
rain came back and it coloured up again.

Cheerio,


Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and
looking like chocolate. The lads were out all the same trying to tempt
the unwary salmon - to no avail !
--
Bill Grey

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In article , W. D. Grey
wrote:

Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and
looking like chocolate. The lads were out all the same trying to tempt
the unwary salmon - to no avail !

I delivered a boat to Swansea about a year back* - first time I'd seen the
Marina/lock arrangements (built since my days at Swansea Uni) - what does it
do to runs in low water?

Cheerio,

* Nearly missed the harbour entrance at first light - someone had painted a
ruddy great red square on the end of the E pierhead and I assumed I had to
leave red to port - er, oops.

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On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 at 22:18:31 in uk.rec.fishing.game Derek Moody wrote:
In article , W. D. Grey
wrote:

Our river - the Tawe has been in spate, though I've seen it worse, and
looking like chocolate. The lads were out all the same trying to tempt
the unwary salmon - to no avail !

I delivered a boat to Swansea about a year back* - first time I'd seen the
Marina/lock arrangements (built since my days at Swansea Uni) - what does it
do to runs in low water?

Basically it's completely ****ed the runs of sea trout. The fish pass
doesn't work and we've dropped from the top 3 in Wales for sea trout to
below 20th.

Cheerio,

* Nearly missed the harbour entrance at first light - someone had painted a
ruddy great red square on the end of the E pierhead and I assumed I had to
leave red to port - er, oops.

Another mariner tells me the Swansea Barrage has the only entrance in
the UK (and he's done them all) where they have traffic lights..!

--
Nogood Boyo

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In article , Nogood Boyo
wrote:

Basically it's completely ****ed the runs of sea trout. The fish pass
doesn't work and we've dropped from the top 3 in Wales for sea trout to
below 20th.

Suspected there would be some affect :-(

Another mariner tells me the Swansea Barrage has the only entrance in
the UK (and he's done them all) where they have traffic lights..!

Commoner than you might think, especially in ports with very mixed users.
Weymouth (home port) actually has two sets - one for the harbour entrance,
basically to keep the little boats clear when the ferries are moving, and
another set at the Town Bridge to control queues when it's open.

Re seatrout: in an ordinary year we'd be seeing them jumping in the bay
about now - we've tried casting over them but no joy - but this year no
sign, presumably there's so much water they're running straight up.

Cheerio,

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In article , Derek Moody
writes
I delivered a boat to Swansea about a year back* - first time I'd seen the
Marina/lock arrangements (built since my days at Swansea Uni) - what does it
do to runs in low water?

This matter has been a bone of contention for years. The fish pas was
too violent for salmon to even try to ascend - they have been seen
turning away and eventually going uo the Neath River. To encourage more
fsih to run, they've been opening the gates on "full flow" and thus some
more fish do get up river. It was commonly thought that salmon
over-topped the barrage at high tide, but at the very top of the barrage
you get an up-stream water fall and the fish have been observed turning
back against the upstream flow.

The University carried out a project to monitor the fairly recently
modified fish pass but we don't think much has come of this research.

--
Bill Grey

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In article , W. D. Grey
wrote:

This matter has been a bone of contention for years. The fish pas was
too violent for salmon to even try to ascend - they have been seen

Is there a counter on the river?

Cheerio,

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In article , Derek Moody
writes
In article , W. D. Grey
wrote:

This matter has been a bone of contention for years. The fish pas was
too violent for salmon to even try to ascend - they have been seen

Is there a counter on the river?

Cheerio,

Don't think so - it was the failure to accurately monitor fish migration
that cocked up the study. The study took place after the fish-pass cills
where modified to make the torrent less violent.

Nogood Boyo will have the answer if he reads this.
--
Bill Grey

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"W. D. Grey" wrote in message
...
In article , Derek Moody
writes
In article , W. D. Grey
wrote:

This matter has been a bone of contention for years. The fish pas was
too violent for salmon to even try to ascend - they have been seen

Is there a counter on the river?

Cheerio,

Don't think so - it was the failure to accurately monitor fish migration
that cocked up the study. The study took place after the fish-pass cills
where modified to make the torrent less violent.

Nogood Boyo will have the answer if he reads this.

As far as I am aware here is no fish counter, fish were trapped or seine
netted and tagged with combined acoustic and radio tags then tracked by a
combination of sonar bouys and radio trackers.

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On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 at 12:58:34 in uk.rec.fishing.game suspicious minds
wrote:

"W. D. Grey" wrote in message
...
In article , Derek Moody
writes
In article , W. D. Grey
wrote:

This matter has been a bone of contention for years. The fish pas was
too violent for salmon to even try to ascend - they have been seen

Is there a counter on the river?

Cheerio,

Don't think so - it was the failure to accurately monitor fish migration
that cocked up the study. The study took place after the fish-pass cills
where modified to make the torrent less violent.

Nogood Boyo will have the answer if he reads this.

As far as I am aware here is no fish counter, fish were trapped or seine
netted and tagged with combined acoustic and radio tags then tracked by a
combination of sonar bouys and radio trackers.

Hmmm... someone who knows his stuff...

There is no counter. Apparently traditional counters don't work well in
salt water. And the barrage location means that all sorts of things
pass by...

There were tagging and tracking studies as described (before and after
construction) to monitor migration. They showed that fish weren't using
the pass and didn't like going over the top either (when it was topped
by the tide). But they were never able to tag as many fish as they
wanted to for a convincing study and some wondered whether a fish that
had a cigar sized tag shoved inside it would behave normally anyway...

There was also a later attempt to use other electronic gadgets and video
but they don't seem to have been successful.

Some mods were made to the fish pass but by then funds for proper
monitoring had petered out.

At the moment most of those who fished for sewin before the construction
are convinced the sewin runs have gone. Some people say they are
catching the odd sewin but sceptics doubt a lot of the reports (and
suspect confusion with large stockies and salmon) because of the
unlikely-sounding sizes and timings.

All I know is that before the barrage anglers queued to fish through the
pools at night and fish could be seen / heard splashing all over the
place. That doesn't happen any more. So as I said, "Basically it's
completely ****ed the runs of sea trout". :-(

--
Nogood Boyo

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Andy Lawson wrote:
...come another washing day!

Andy


Yep, it rained out my weekend plans again.