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I'm 100% self taught as a fly caster and the truth is, my instructor wasn't
too good. Normally, my abilities are fine with me, although I do see a lot of other FF point my direction and laugh as I cast. I can manipulate the line into curves and around rocks and, generally, get it to serve it's fish catching function ... at the short ranges I normally fish. I actually prefer the challenge of getting closer to the fish to casting tests, anyway. But, every year, about this time (Striper time and 'ain't nothing left but stillwaters' time ) I become aware of my failing as a distance caster. My question ...after a comment. I'm a little afraid to get too involved in trying to relearn casting. I fear three things 1) getting so self-conscious that I actually get worse ( I've seen golfer friends do this, 'think' themselves into troubles ) and lose the short line abilities seeking long line fishing I only do a few days / year .. I can live without really casting a long line well, have for nearly 40 years 2) falling into a blame the tools trap, that sees me out senselessly spending on new miracle rods ( I'm a sucker ) 3) losing fishing skills to casting skills ( some [ not all TJ :-) ] really skilled 'tight loop' guys I see can't fish worth a damn and it 'appears' to be related to their casting skill ... they consistently choose to cast rather than fish ... wailing a long line to the other side while wondering what those things flashing away from their feet are :-) Have any suggestions for videos/ books on long line casting? Have any experience in "re-learning" to cast after many many years of doing it the wrong way? Opinions on whether it would be worth the effort for a few days a year, when much of my fishing sees me backing up to get far enough away to cast? Opinions on where/ how to practice? ( I see suggestions to 'practice' without a rod and such that stretch my old fart view of reality ) |
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Larry L wrote:
But, every year, about this time (Striper time and 'ain't nothing left but stillwaters' time ) I become aware of my failing as a distance caster. My question ..after a comment. I'm a little afraid to get too involved in trying to relearn casting. I fear three things 1) getting so self-conscious that I actually get worse ......... 2) falling into a blame the tools trap ......... 3) losing fishing skills to casting skills ........ I improved my distance casting (somewhat) by concentrating on learning to haul and double haul better. It's true that too much thinking made my hauling worse before it got better, but--perhaps because these aren't techniques that I use at shorter distances--working on them didn't at all confound my "normal" casting. On the other hand, an earlier attempt to improve my distance casting by switching to a stiffer rod and screwing with the timing of my casting stroke was disasterous. JR |
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An hour with a pro might be a better way to spend the money as opposed to a
book or video because he or she will be able to tell you what to work on and what to leave alone. More importantly, a person can answer a question. That said, I got more distance when I finally figured out the rod stop on the back and fore cast. Good luck. Chris Brown |
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How does one find such instructors?
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Do you have a local fly shop? Often, there is at least one that they can
refer you to. In my area, the adult education program through the local junior college/school district offers class. Local fly fishing club is another place to check out. Chris |
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On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Larry L wrote:
Have any suggestions for videos/ books on long line casting? Troubleshooting the Cast by Ed Jaworski (sp?) My wife took some photos of me while I was casting several years ago. It was very clear I was breaking my back cast at the wrist and that my arm motion was too low. I think you may want to videotape yourself in order to catch some of the more obvious mistakes you may be making. Mu |
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"Mu Young Lee" wrote I think you may want to videotape yourself in order to catch some of the more obvious mistakes you may be making. I think that is a cool idea, thanks |
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I practiced on a lawn next to an office building with those big reflective
mirrors.....I've never had much luck getting women to do what I want with a video camera.... john "Mu Young Lee" wrote in message pcc.itd.umich.edu... On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Larry L wrote: Have any suggestions for videos/ books on long line casting? Troubleshooting the Cast by Ed Jaworski (sp?) My wife took some photos of me while I was casting several years ago. It was very clear I was breaking my back cast at the wrist and that my arm motion was too low. I think you may want to videotape yourself in order to catch some of the more obvious mistakes you may be making. Mu |
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On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:41:24 -0400, Mu Young Lee
wrote: On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Larry L wrote: Have any suggestions for videos/ books on long line casting? Troubleshooting the Cast by Ed Jaworski (sp?) My wife took some photos of me while I was casting several years ago. It was very clear I was breaking my back cast at the wrist and that my arm motion was too low. I think you may want to videotape yourself in order to catch some of the more obvious mistakes you may be making. Mu Mu probably has the best advice -- nothing like seeing your mistakes first-hand. -- Greg sent me a video of my spey casting :( Peter turn mailhot into hotmail to reply Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharl...ers/index.html |
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Neither was mine... but I DID recently get a little help. I bought a copy
of Mel Krieger's "The Essence of Flycasting"... and BOY it did a number on my casting... I am SO much better now, it's not even funny. Hell, I might even let some ROFF people see me cast now! Anyway, I highly recommend it. It certainly helped me! http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/te... atic_product "Larry L" wrote in message ... I'm 100% self taught as a fly caster and the truth is, my instructor wasn't too good. |
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Mark wrote:
Neither was mine... but I DID recently get a little help. I bought a copy of Mel Krieger's "The Essence of Flycasting"... and BOY it did a number on my casting... I am SO much better now, it's not even funny. Hell, I might even let some ROFF people see me cast now! Anyway, I highly recommend it. It certainly helped me! http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/te... atic_product ....and if i'm not mistaken, Larry, aren't you in California? Mel Krieger is from the Bay Area and does casting seminars at different fly shops/clubs. Most any fly shop can give a lesson or two. brians |
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On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:59:18 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote: My question ..after a comment. I'm a little afraid to get too involved in trying to relearn casting. I fear three things 1) getting so self-conscious that I actually get worse Been there, doing that. I got one piece of actual advice (lots of help with my setup and some information, but that's beside the point) on my casting when on the Traveling Clave. I've been trying to follow it and am at the total mess stage still. Confident I'll get it eventually, but I may have to break back to spin casting for a while. I was told that I was fine up to the backcast just before the cast that counts. Gah. I started looking back over my shoulder. The advice was right. Now all my backcasts suck. But it will get better. I'm sure it will. Next year will be better. Eventually... -- rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing. Often taunted by trout. Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it. http://www.visi.com/~cyli |
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wrote in message ... I was told that I was fine up to the backcast just before the cast that counts. Gah. I do the same thing, Cyli. Its like I false cast perectly until...the....cast.....that.........will......... put........the.......fly.. .....right...........TH--argghH! Now, I do this stupid thing that works really well. I actually lie to myself, and think "OK, next cast will be the one", but then I stop one cast early. I know it sounds like I'm kidding, but it really works. One other question: is it pronounced "Kylie", "Sylie", "Silly" or what? I can't figger it out. --riverman |
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On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 20:46:54 +0100, "riverman"
wrote: One other question: is it pronounced "Kylie", "Sylie", "Silly" or what? I can't figger it out. Cyli is pronounced 'silly'. My friends had some trouble at first and thought I meant 'sigh-lee'. No. I tend to take myself _way_ too seriously and need to lighten up sometimes, so I shortened my previous username (Cylise, pronounced 'sill- lease') on BBSes to this and it stuck. Half the new people hired at work choke on it when introduced and some can never call me by it, but we have another Nancy there, so using my username works fine. My old BBS buddies were so accustomed to it that when they started visi and I came on as a customer, they automatically gave it to me as a username. When I went to work there, some called me by it and when we got another Nancy, my whole department I'm associated with found it easier to distinguish us that way and some of the others use it, too. It may help that I'm just a little bit eccentric, too. -- rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing. Often taunted by trout. Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it. http://www.visi.com/~cyli |
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"Larry L" wrote in message ... I'm 100% self taught as a fly caster and the truth is, my instructor wasn't too good.... In such cases the damage can, under certain circumstances at any rate, be undone. On the other hand, if the student was lacking......well...... Wolfgang who was every bit the equal of his tutor. |
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"Jeff Miller" wrote in message news:egikb.87562$AH4.30523@lakeread06... lid wrote: It may help that I'm just a little bit eccentric, too. -- no need to be so modest, cyli. g jeff Having seen thee and me and Cyli, and reflecting on the fact that we all used the same sauna on the same night, it occurs to one that modesty ain't all that bad a character trait. :) Wolfgang who, remembering a certain full moon in nc, wishes that wayno were so afflicted! :( |
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On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 18:28:22 -0500, "Wolfgang"
wrote: Having seen thee and me and Cyli, and reflecting on the fact that we all used the same sauna on the same night, it occurs to one that modesty ain't all that bad a character trait. :) Uh, er, uh. Yeah. The physical modesty has crept up on me as my body had crept down on me. Oh, yeah, and as certain kinds of common sense have taken a firmer hold in my psyche. -- rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing. Often taunted by trout. Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it. http://www.visi.com/~cyli |
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wrote in message ... On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 18:28:22 -0500, "Wolfgang" wrote: Having seen thee and me and Cyli, and reflecting on the fact that we all used the same sauna on the same night, it occurs to one that modesty ain't all that bad a character trait. :) Uh, er, uh. Yeah. The physical modesty has crept up on me as my body had crept down on me. Oh, yeah, and as certain kinds of common sense have taken a firmer hold in my psyche. Well, at least SOMETHING has taken a firmer hold. --riverman (been there, doing that) |
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riverman wrote:
Well, at least SOMETHING has taken a firmer hold. --riverman (been there, doing that) Beware Myron, not too much - it might make you blind. -- Herman (packing black sunglasses and a cane) |
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"Greg Pavlov" wrote in message ... On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:45:25 +0100, "riverman" wrote: Well, at least SOMETHING has taken a firmer hold. You guys are pitiless. No, no. I got pits. They're under the flaps on my arms there, somewhere.... --riverman (ain't what I used to be, and I never was!) |
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:27:24 GMT, (Greg Pavlov)
wrote: On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:45:25 +0100, "riverman" wrote: Well, at least SOMETHING has taken a firmer hold. You guys are pitiless. That's ROFF for you. -- rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing. Often taunted by trout. Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it. http://www.visi.com/~cyli |
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:08:25 -0500, lid wrote:
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:27:24 GMT, (Greg Pavlov) wrote: On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:45:25 +0100, "riverman" wrote: Well, at least SOMETHING has taken a firmer hold. You guys are pitiless. That's ROFF for you. Yes, "Group Without Pity" has a certain truthful ring to it. /daytripper (otoh, I frequent worse places...) |
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Hi Larry,
There's a good written blurb by George Roberts on distance casting at: http://www.flyfishsal****ers.com/fly...ess_effort.htm He also has a video Sal****er Fly-Casting: 10 Steps to Distance and Power, which is available at: http://www.whitemouseflyfishing.com I can't vouch for the video (haven't seen it), but his writing is informative. On a philosophical note, why care what others think about your casting style? I never met a mortal man or woman that was supremely competent to pass judgment on somebody else's casting. My dad never cast more than about 30 feet and was an outstanding stillwater flyfisher even though he rarely cast a fly in his later years (he was more interested in his goal of a +25 lb lake trout, and so stuck to hardware). Like you, he was very successful with a short line because he knew how to fish the fly. I however was more interested in distance & precision casting, and learned the tricks to lace out the line to the backing. Only after the old man outfished me daily for an entire season did I settle down & cast to fish rather than cast for the sake of casting. Re/ specific attempts to answer your questions: 1. Don't worry what others think - the 'snicker' crowd are probably butt-heads anyway that flyfish for all the wrong reasons. 2. The flyrod does play an important role in distance casting. You need a rod that will fully "absorb" the power of your casting stroke & transmit it efficiently to your flyline. In rod manufacturer terms, the rod must "load" and "unload" properly. Your natural casting stroke may respond very well to some rod designs re/ distance, and not well to others. For example, my sweet little 7 wt Orvis Superfine pack rod (no longer made) is very slow action (made with low stiffness graphite composite); it simply cannot absorb the power of my casting stroke beyond some critical level. It basically wimps out & won't deliver more than about 60 ft of line (and that's with real finesse). My modern, fast-action, 7 wt Sage rods can lay out 90 ft of line with just a few double haul cycles and a good line shoot, and while working a open loop (I nearly always use one or two dropper flies, and the normal tight loop tends to encourage line/leader snagging). So if looking for significant increase in distance, you may need to hunt around for a fast action rod. The best bet is to visit your local flyshop & bug the hell out of the staff, casting everything under the sun (with a full rig: line + reel). 3. I totally agree that many folks put on a good casting demo & a very poor fishing demo. And with proper timing & application of power, you can throw an open loop and shoot a lot of line with conventional weight forward tapers - I do it all the time. But the tight loop is the first goal to achieve. And casting can be learned, or-re-learned, by anybody. The secret is the desire to learn, like most things in life. Good luck, Blain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry L" Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 8:59 AM Subject: casting for casting advice I'm 100% self taught as a fly caster and the truth is, my instructor wasn't too good. Normally, my abilities are fine with me, although I do see a lot of other FF point my direction and laugh as I cast. I can manipulate the line into curves and around rocks and, generally, get it to serve it's fish catching function ... at the short ranges I normally fish. I actually prefer the challenge of getting closer to the fish to casting tests, anyway. But, every year, about this time (Striper time and 'ain't nothing left but stillwaters' time ) I become aware of my failing as a distance caster. My question ..after a comment. I'm a little afraid to get too involved in trying to relearn casting. I fear three things 1) getting so self-conscious that I actually get worse ( I've seen golfer friends do this, 'think' themselves into troubles ) and lose the short line abilities seeking long line fishing I only do a few days / year .. I can live without really casting a long line well, have for nearly 40 years 2) falling into a blame the tools trap, that sees me out senselessly spending on new miracle rods ( I'm a sucker ) 3) losing fishing skills to casting skills ( some [ not all TJ :-) ] really skilled 'tight loop' guys I see can't fish worth a damn and it 'appears' to be related to their casting skill ... they consistently choose to cast rather than fish ... wailing a long line to the other side while wondering what those things flashing away from their feet are :-) Have any suggestions for videos/ books on long line casting? Have any experience in "re-learning" to cast after many many years of doing it the wrong way? Opinions on whether it would be worth the effort for a few days a year, when much of my fishing sees me backing up to get far enough away to cast? Opinions on where/ how to practice? ( I see suggestions to 'practice' without a rod and such that stretch my old fart view of reality ) "JR" wrote in message ... Larry L wrote: But, every year, about this time (Striper time and 'ain't nothing left but stillwaters' time ) I become aware of my failing as a distance caster. My question ..after a comment. I'm a little afraid to get too involved in trying to relearn casting. I fear three things 1) getting so self-conscious that I actually get worse ......... 2) falling into a blame the tools trap ......... 3) losing fishing skills to casting skills ........ I improved my distance casting (somewhat) by concentrating on learning to haul and double haul better. It's true that too much thinking made my hauling worse before it got better, but--perhaps because these aren't techniques that I use at shorter distances--working on them didn't at all confound my "normal" casting. On the other hand, an earlier attempt to improve my distance casting by switching to a stiffer rod and screwing with the timing of my casting stroke was disasterous. JR |
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:13:48 -0700, "Blain Olbert"
wrote: On a philosophical note, why care what others think about your casting style? I never met a mortal man or woman that was supremely competent to pass judgment on somebody else's casting. In my case it's because I can't lay the blasted fly down properly as much of the time as I'd like. The whole line tends to flail the water instead of settling gently and then the tippet dropping the little thing in place like a naturally falling bug. Distance where I fish is of little importance. 30 feet is fine with me (and wider than some parts of some of the streams I fish.). Putting the fly down right takes a minimum of good casting. Most good casting seems to look a lot the same, when I watch those who catch fish. So I want to be able to do that. Then do that where I'm sure the fish are. Once I can do that, I'll not worry all that much about how it looks, though I'll still want it to _feel_ right. -- rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing. Often taunted by trout. Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it. http://www.visi.com/~cyli |
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On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:11:44 -0500, lid wrote:
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:13:48 -0700, "Blain Olbert" wrote: On a philosophical note, why care what others think about your casting style? I never met a mortal man or woman that was supremely competent to pass judgment on somebody else's casting. In my case it's because I can't lay the blasted fly down properly as much of the time as I'd like. The whole line tends to flail the water instead of settling gently and then the tippet dropping the little thing in place like a naturally falling bug. Distance where I fish is of little importance. 30 feet is fine with me (and wider than some parts of some of the streams I fish.). Putting the fly down right takes a minimum of good casting. Most good casting seems to look a lot the same, when I watch those who catch fish. So I want to be able to do that. Then do that where I'm sure the fish are. Once I can do that, I'll not worry all that much about how it looks, though I'll still want it to _feel_ right. -- rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing. Often taunted by trout. Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it. http://www.visi.com/~cyli Well Cyli, there is another Wisconsin clave being held in early June just a few miles from MN on the Rush. There are always casting clinics (and tying ones, too) at these things. Its a long time away and most of the best trouting will of the year will be winding down by then but keep it in the back of your mind,eh? g.c. |
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:20:38 GMT,
(George Cleveland) wrote: Well Cyli, there is another Wisconsin clave being held in early June just a few miles from MN on the Rush. There are always casting clinics (and tying ones, too) at these things. Its a long time away and most of the best trouting will of the year will be winding down by then but keep it in the back of your mind,eh? Cool. Might not be able to do the first week in June, but I should have free time after that. I assume it'll show up on the WI flyfishing board? -- rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing. Often taunted by trout. Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it. http://www.visi.com/~cyli |
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On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:11:22 -0500, lid wrote:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:20:38 GMT, (George Cleveland) wrote: Well Cyli, there is another Wisconsin clave being held in early June just a few miles from MN on the Rush. There are always casting clinics (and tying ones, too) at these things. Its a long time away and most of the best trouting will of the year will be winding down by then but keep it in the back of your mind,eh? Cool. Might not be able to do the first week in June, but I should have free time after that. I assume it'll show up on the WI flyfishing board? -- rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing. Often taunted by trout. Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it. http://www.visi.com/~cyli Its June 11-13. Here's a link: http://www.wisflyfishing.com/cgi-bin...9 7;start=8#8 It should be right in the middle of local, somewhat unusual sulphur species (E. needhami) emergence. g.c. |
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On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 18:40:12 GMT,
(George Cleveland) wrote: On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:11:22 -0500, lid wrote: On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:20:38 GMT, (George Cleveland) wrote: Well Cyli, there is another Wisconsin clave being held in early June just a few miles from MN on the Rush. Its June 11-13. Here's a link: http://www.wisflyfishing.com/cgi-bin...9 7;start=8#8 It should be right in the middle of local, somewhat unusual sulphur species (E. needhami) emergence. Okay. Thanks. Going there now. -- rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing. Often taunted by trout. Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it. http://www.visi.com/~cyli |
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wrote in message
... In my case it's because I can't lay the blasted fly down properly as much of the time as I'd like. The whole line tends to flail the water instead of settling gently and then the tippet dropping the little thing in place like a naturally falling bug. Distance where I fish is of little importance. 30 feet is fine with me (and wider than some parts of some of the streams I fish.). Putting the fly down right Charles Ritz emphasizes we should not cast at the water but at a point a yard above the water: so that after forward motion stops line and leader both fall gently. Have you tried this? -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
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On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:24:47 -0500, "Don Phillipson"
wrote: wrote in message .. . In my case it's because I can't lay the blasted fly down properly as much of the time as I'd like. The whole line tends to flail the water instead of settling gently and then the tippet dropping the little thing in place like a naturally falling bug. Distance where I fish is of little importance. 30 feet is fine with me (and wider than some parts of some of the streams I fish.). Putting the fly down right Charles Ritz emphasizes we should not cast at the water but at a point a yard above the water: so that after forward motion stops line and leader both fall gently. Have you tried this? No. Never heard of it. Makes great sense, though. I'll try to remember it. -- rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing. Often taunted by trout. Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it. http://www.visi.com/~cyli |
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