Rio Line
 

Just a follow-up about some Rio line. As you may recall my earlier post
about what lines I should get for my brother and brother-in-law reels. SA
on one, Rio on the other in 9wt and 8 wt respectively. While at the shop, I
decided to get some 5wt Rio for one of my reels and test it.

Dealer happen to have some Rio Demo fly line (WF5F) and I spooled it up on
my spare. Weather conditions were excellent for testing with a nice soft
breeze - maybe a tad strong at times but would be good for doing some
comparative testing of 5 wt lines.

Used my 9', 5wt, St. Croix Legend which is a fast+ rated rod and one I
really like. First line up to test was the Rio - and was I disappointed....
Could not for the life of me get any distance out of that line with a
head-on breeze. Line simply folded up in front of me and dropped to the
water like it had an anchor tied to it. Tried numerous times and 20' was
about all I could get.

Quickly changed to other spool with Orvis G3 5 wt line and first cast went
out an easy 50' on the water. Same breezy conditions, same rod just
different line and not a problem.

Back to the Rio line. Same results. When the wind died down and almost a
dead calm, I could get 50' but had to work at it. When the wind kicked up,
that line folds. Had my brother cast the same rigs and his results were
like mine.

The Rio line feels like a 4wt not a 5wt line as the package is marked. I'll
be going back to the dealer with it to see if he can verify exactly which
line it is.

For what it's worth department. If you haven't tried the Orvis G3 lines,
you're in for a treat. Even a novice like me can tell that there is a
significant difference in the line and it casts like a dream on both an
Orvis TLS, mid-flex (7) rod and my fast Legend. I have SA Mastery GPX,
Steelhead and Bass lines, Cortland 555-444-333, Rio (demo), and Orvis G3
lines in several weights for my rod collection and the Orvis, 5wt line wins
in the "cast-ability & accuracy" category.

Bob S.

Rio Line
 

On Aug 13, 9:06 am, "BobS" wrote:

[snip]
Used my 9', 5wt, St. Croix Legend which is a fast+ rated rod and one I
really like. First line up to test was the Rio - and was I disappointed....
Could not for the life of me get any distance out of that line with a
head-on breeze. Line simply folded up in front of me and dropped to the
water like it had an anchor tied to it. Tried numerous times and 20' was
about all I could get.

Quickly changed to other spool with Orvis G3 5 wt line and first cast went
out an easy 50' on the water.

In spite of what was presented in another recent thread on fly lines,
welcome to the world of fly line to rod specialization. I too, would
be curious to know what Rio line that was used to test your rod. RIO
make six fly lines for freshwater fly fishing plus their specialty
lines. If it was the selective trout line that you tried, it would not
surprise me that it did not work for you but if it was the Grand, then
I would be concerned. Same as with the Orvis line you tested, it's
made for fast action rods and it would do better on that Legend. But
there's also a reason it's called G3, or Generation 3, the Wonderlines
have always been good casting lines but often have left something to
be desired when actually fishing with them in many cases.

Other more accomplished casters often poo-poo this line of thoughts
but for use mere mortals.......

Rio Line
 

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:06:59 -0400, "BobS" wrote:

Just a follow-up about some Rio line. As you may recall my earlier post
about what lines I should get for my brother and brother-in-law reels. SA
on one, Rio on the other in 9wt and 8 wt respectively. While at the shop, I
decided to get some 5wt Rio for one of my reels and test it.

Dealer happen to have some Rio Demo fly line (WF5F) and I spooled it up on
my spare. Weather conditions were excellent for testing with a nice soft
breeze - maybe a tad strong at times but would be good for doing some
comparative testing of 5 wt lines.

Used my 9', 5wt, St. Croix Legend which is a fast+ rated rod and one I
really like. First line up to test was the Rio - and was I disappointed....
Could not for the life of me get any distance out of that line with a
head-on breeze. Line simply folded up in front of me and dropped to the
water like it had an anchor tied to it. Tried numerous times and 20' was
about all I could get.

Quickly changed to other spool with Orvis G3 5 wt line and first cast went
out an easy 50' on the water. Same breezy conditions, same rod just
different line and not a problem.

Back to the Rio line. Same results. When the wind died down and almost a
dead calm, I could get 50' but had to work at it. When the wind kicked up,
that line folds. Had my brother cast the same rigs and his results were
like mine.

The Rio line feels like a 4wt not a 5wt line as the package is marked. I'll
be going back to the dealer with it to see if he can verify exactly which
line it is.

For what it's worth department. If you haven't tried the Orvis G3 lines,
you're in for a treat. Even a novice like me can tell that there is a
significant difference in the line and it casts like a dream on both an
Orvis TLS, mid-flex (7) rod and my fast Legend. I have SA Mastery GPX,
Steelhead and Bass lines, Cortland 555-444-333, Rio (demo), and Orvis G3
lines in several weights for my rod collection and the Orvis, 5wt line wins
in the "cast-ability & accuracy" category.

Bob S.


You can check the line yourself - simply weigh the first 30 feet (or the
entire forward taper) and compare to a RIO chart. Which lines in the
various series are you using? There are a number of different lines
that fit your descriptions. Also, can you elaborate on "20'" and "50'"
- are you saying you are getting 20' and 50' of total distance, tiptop
to fly, or 20' and 50' of actual line, exclusive of leader, or ??? IAC,
I suspect that the difference in distance is not related to one being
RIO and one being Orvis, assuming the lines are similar offerings (i.e.,
similar weight, taper, etc.), and the 20' thing is why.

TC,
R

Rio Line
 

On Aug 13, 3:06 pm, "BobS" wrote:


Used my 9', 5wt, St. Croix Legend which is a fast+ rated rod and one I
really like. First line up to test was the Rio - and was I disappointed....
Could not for the life of me get any distance out of that line with a
head-on breeze. Line simply folded up in front of me and dropped to the
water like it had an anchor tied to it. Tried numerous times and 20' was
about all I could get.

Quickly changed to other spool with Orvis G3 5 wt line and first cast went
out an easy 50' on the water. Same breezy conditions, same rod just
different line and not a problem.

Back to the Rio line. Same results. When the wind died down and almost a
dead calm, I could get 50' but had to work at it. When the wind kicked up,
that line folds. Had my brother cast the same rigs and his results were
like mine.

The Rio line feels like a 4wt not a 5wt line as the package is marked. I'll
be going back to the dealer with it to see if he can verify exactly which
line it is.


For there to be that much difference in the lines, they would have to
be completely different weights and configurations.

There are often considerable differences in lines of the same nominal
weight from various manufacturers, but not as considerable as that.
Some lines feel better on some rods, although this is often mainly
subjective, it should not make a difference of more than a few feet
when casting.

Also, comparisons like this only work between lines with similar
configurations.

--
Regards and tight lines!

Mike Connor

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-online.de/

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Rio Line
 

BobS wrote:

Just a follow-up about some Rio line. As you may recall my earlier post
about what lines I should get for my brother and brother-in-law reels. SA
on one, Rio on the other in 9wt and 8 wt respectively. While at the shop, I
decided to get some 5wt Rio for one of my reels and test it.

Dealer happen to have some Rio Demo fly line (WF5F) and I spooled it up on
my spare. Weather conditions were excellent for testing with a nice soft
breeze - maybe a tad strong at times but would be good for doing some
comparative testing of 5 wt lines.

Used my 9', 5wt, St. Croix Legend which is a fast+ rated rod and one I
really like. First line up to test was the Rio - and was I disappointed....
Could not for the life of me get any distance out of that line with a
head-on breeze. Line simply folded up in front of me and dropped to the
water like it had an anchor tied to it. Tried numerous times and 20' was
about all I could get.

Quickly changed to other spool with Orvis G3 5 wt line and first cast went
out an easy 50' on the water. Same breezy conditions, same rod just
different line and not a problem.

Back to the Rio line. Same results. When the wind died down and almost a
dead calm, I could get 50' but had to work at it. When the wind kicked up,
that line folds. Had my brother cast the same rigs and his results were
like mine.

The Rio line feels like a 4wt not a 5wt line as the package is marked. I'll
be going back to the dealer with it to see if he can verify exactly which
line it is.

For what it's worth department. If you haven't tried the Orvis G3 lines,
you're in for a treat. Even a novice like me can tell that there is a
significant difference in the line and it casts like a dream on both an
Orvis TLS, mid-flex (7) rod and my fast Legend. I have SA Mastery GPX,
Steelhead and Bass lines, Cortland 555-444-333, Rio (demo), and Orvis G3
lines in several weights for my rod collection and the Orvis, 5wt line wins
in the "cast-ability & accuracy" category.

Bob S.

Hmm. Something just sounds out of whack. I've heard of stories like
this, but it's usually because of something was done wrong....like a WF
line was put on backwards. I don't think a "defective" line would show
this much discrepancy to another line. Could be a wrong line weight
rating, but even that wouldn't make the line not cast further than 20'.
Very odd. I'd like to hear what you find out. FWIW, I use a lot of Rio
lines. Never had an issue with any of them, or any other brands for that
matter. All lines, and weights, could be cast more than 20'.

brians

Follow-Up - Rio Line
 

Lots of comments and I'll try to cover them he

1. Type of line is unknown and the package is only marked " "RIO Demo Fly
Line WF5F". I can't get a good match against any lines shown on their site.
It could be one of several.

2. Line is installed correctly. Tag at end said "Attach this end to
backing". Tag could have been put on wrong end of line but I doubt I could
cast 50' with the running line only. Hey, I'm only a novice - not an
accomplished caster............;-)

3. When casting into a head on wind I get a distance of about 20' (tiptop to
end of line) and then it just goes into a swiggle (in mid air) and drops to
the water as though it hit a pane of glass almost. When the wind was not
blowing, I could cast out about 50' of line. Had a 9' leader but I was
judging distance by the fly line since its a bright yellow and a little
easier to see then my indicator yarn tied to the end.

4. I don't have a scale that will measure grams but I will be going back to
the shop to have them ID it. I really think its a 4wt in which just got put
in the wroing package. For those not aware of the Demo packaging, it's just
a zip-lock type of plastic bag with a plain Rio label on it with a tear-off,
sticky tab that has the line weight and type printed on it that you put on
the spool.

5. As for the Orvis line being made for faster action lines, I know that and
of my 7 rods, only 2 are moderate-fast (Diamondback VSR and the Orvis TLS)
and 1 slow rod (the sweet 7' Diamondglass). Supposedly (according to shop
owner) the Rio line was meant for faster rods also but I'll know for sure
tomorrow.


It may be that the Rio line has a longer front taper and the weight is
further back than on other lines I have. Without the wind, I could cast it
out okay but still had to push it in comparison to the other line I was
comparing it against. Perhaps this line is for the more advanced caster
that knows how to chuck a spear into the wind. I simply made some
observations of what the line did under windy conditions for me and was
hoping to here comments from others that have used Rio. Upon reflection,
the only ID I have is "Demo" and it's yellow and it say's its WF5F.

Thanks,

Bob S.

Follow-Up - Rio Line
 

On Aug 14, 3:19 am, "BobS" wrote:
Lots of comments and I'll try to cover them he

1. Type of line is unknown and the package is only marked " "RIO Demo Fly
Line WF5F". I can't get a good match against any lines shown on their site.
It could be one of several.

2. Line is installed correctly. Tag at end said "Attach this end to
backing". Tag could have been put on wrong end of line but I doubt I could
cast 50' with the running line only. Hey, I'm only a novice - not an
accomplished caster............;-)

3. When casting into a head on wind I get a distance of about 20' (tiptop to
end of line) and then it just goes into a swiggle (in mid air) and drops to
the water as though it hit a pane of glass almost. When the wind was not
blowing, I could cast out about 50' of line. Had a 9' leader but I was
judging distance by the fly line since its a bright yellow and a little
easier to see then my indicator yarn tied to the end.

4. I don't have a scale that will measure grams but I will be going back to
the shop to have them ID it. I really think its a 4wt in which just got put
in the wroing package. For those not aware of the Demo packaging, it's just
a zip-lock type of plastic bag with a plain Rio label on it with a tear-off,
sticky tab that has the line weight and type printed on it that you put on
the spool.

5. As for the Orvis line being made for faster action lines, I know that and
of my 7 rods, only 2 are moderate-fast (Diamondback VSR and the Orvis TLS)
and 1 slow rod (the sweet 7' Diamondglass). Supposedly (according to shop
owner) the Rio line was meant for faster rods also but I'll know for sure
tomorrow.

It may be that the Rio line has a longer front taper and the weight is
further back than on other lines I have. Without the wind, I could cast it
out okay but still had to push it in comparison to the other line I was
comparing it against. Perhaps this line is for the more advanced caster
that knows how to chuck a spear into the wind. I simply made some
observations of what the line did under windy conditions for me and was
hoping to here comments from others that have used Rio. Upon reflection,
the only ID I have is "Demo" and it's yellow and it say's its WF5F.

Thanks,

Bob S.

There is another possibility here, and I have seen it happen on a
couple of lines. Your description of how the line seems to "hit a pane
of glass" describes the fault exactly, and it is caused by either
manufacturing residue, or some other substance on the running line.
This stops the line dead in the air.

Clean the line off in lukewarm soapy water, and dress it with the
recommended line dressing ( some recommend none, see the manufacturer
´s blurb) ), then try it again. If it still does the same thing, then
it is a different weight line to the other one you are using.

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Mike Connor

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-online.de/

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/Flycorner?hl=en

Follow-Up - Rio Line
 

May also be of interest to you, you don´t need a scale to compare
lines. Just get a foot rule or similar. Hang the lines to be compared
on each end, at the same points, and place the rule on a fulcrum. If
the lines are the same weight, they should roughly balance. If they
aren´t, they wont! :)

You can also use weights of a known value ( Cent coins or similar.
New American cents minted after 1996 weigh 38.61 grains ) to gauge the
actual weight more or less exactly.

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Mike Connor

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-online.de/

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/Flycorner?hl=en

Found the Problem - Rio Line
 

Boy did I get a good lesson today !

I'll give the fly shop a plug here and the owner since he was kind enough to
take the time to be an excellent mentor today. Wayne Walts and his business
is named "TroutFitter" located at 5008 Erie Blvd, East in Syracuse, NY. Ph
is (315) 446-2047.

I'll sum this up - It was me, not the line.

Rio demo line was 5wt. The first 30' weighed in at 140 grains. The demo line
is the Grand version (I mistakenly said the color was yellow - it's a lime
green)

He said no problem on returning the line but I wanted to know why I was
having so much problem with this line compared to other lines I have. He
grabbed a Sage rod and installed that line and outside we went. Part of the
lesson he gave me included him casting that line, into the wind with only
the top 2/3rds of that Sage Z-Axis rod out to about 60' without trying.
That's one helluva demo.....

He put the rod back together and was casting that line like it had a
heat-sinking missile attached to the leader. Obviously nothing wrong with
the line and right about then, I'm feeling pretty stupid to say the least.
He could sense that I beleive and then proceeded to give me a lesson in
casting. I had attended the Orvis class in the past, did pretty good so I
thought and was practicing what I've been taught. I do get decent casts of
50' and hit the target fairly consistently but he analyzed my technique (or
lack thereof) and had me make some significant changes.

Ok - so now I'm tossing that same *defective* line out there like he was
(well almost as good...). We went over what I've been practicing and in
essence, it was okay to a point but as I was finding out, I was hitting some
limits and then trying to overcompensate for my shortcomings. The devil is
in the details......

I'll be attending a class he holds just about every week to unlearn some of
what I learned in another class. While I initially thought what he was
telling me what I was doing wrong was exaggeration - it proved to be fact.
And after a few minutes of using his suggested techniques, I could not only
see the difference but also feel it in the line.

Needless to say, I kept the Rio line...........and I apologize if I offended
anyone's brand loyalty.

Thanks for your input, it helped me solve the problem,

Bob S.

Follow-Up - Rio Line
 

"Mike" wrote in message
oups.com...
May also be of interest to you, you don´t need a scale to compare
lines. Just get a foot rule or similar. Hang the lines to be compared
on each end, at the same points, and place the rule on a fulcrum. If
the lines are the same weight, they should roughly balance. If they
aren´t, they wont! :)

You can also use weights of a known value ( Cent coins or similar.
New American cents minted after 1996 weigh 38.61 grains ) to gauge the
actual weight more or less exactly.

--
Regards and tight lines!

Mike Connor

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-online.de/

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/Flycorner?hl=en

Mike,

Good suggestions to remember for the future but in this case - the problem
turned out to be all me. I just made a post that explains that.

Thanks for taking the time - I really do appreciate that.

Bob S.

Rio Line
 

BobS

Why not just use the Orvis line and go fising with the time you plan on
spending in "casting" class?


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On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:46:07 -0400, chromefinder
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BobS

Why not just use the Orvis line and go fising with the time you plan on
spending in "casting" class?

Aw, hell, why not just return 'em both, skip the classes, and buy a
SUPERWHOPPERSIZE Filet O'McJack "meal" with a
Frappamochachinolatte....or a cane pole, a bobber, some worms, and a
shooting head...don't forgot a shooting head...

Well, it'd be cheaper, and ****, they can sling them McWhoppofishes out
like...like...like they had shooting heads...

And speaking of not helping matters ah-tall,
R

Rio Line
 

rdean3REMOVE;92498 Wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:46:07 -0400, chromefinder
wrote:


BobS

Why not just use the Orvis line and go fising with the time you plan
on
spending in "casting" class?

Aw, hell, why not just return 'em both, skip the classes, and buy a
SUPERWHOPPERSIZE Filet O'McJack "meal" with a
Frappamochachinolatte....or a cane pole, a bobber, some worms, and a
shooting head...don't forgot a shooting head...

Well, it'd be cheaper, and ****, they can sling them McWhoppofishes
out
like...like...like they had shooting heads...

And speaking of not helping matters ah-tall,
R

OK OK

I just found it odd that BobS choose the line that he actually had to
learn how to cast via instruction vs the one he felt comfortable with
out of the box. I certainly would have gone the easy route here and
bought the Orvis line. Will BobS, when he's completed his casting
lessons be able to cast the Orvis line 30' farther than what he's able
to cast the Rio line that he just learned how to cast????


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On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:54:07 -0400, chromefinder
wrote:


rdean3REMOVE;92498 Wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:46:07 -0400, chromefinder
wrote:


BobS

Why not just use the Orvis line and go fising with the time you plan
on
spending in "casting" class?

Aw, hell, why not just return 'em both, skip the classes, and buy a
SUPERWHOPPERSIZE Filet O'McJack "meal" with a
Frappamochachinolatte....or a cane pole, a bobber, some worms, and a
shooting head...don't forgot a shooting head...

Well, it'd be cheaper, and ****, they can sling them McWhoppofishes
out
like...like...like they had shooting heads...

And speaking of not helping matters ah-tall,
R

OK OK

I just found it odd that BobS choose the line that he actually had to
learn how to cast via instruction vs the one he felt comfortable with
out of the box. I certainly would have gone the easy route here and
bought the Orvis line. Will BobS, when he's completed his casting
lessons be able to cast the Orvis line 30' farther than what he's able
to cast the Rio line that he just learned how to cast????

Um...OK, will he?

Seriously, and speaking in generalities because I don't know BobS and
so, I only know of the situation by what he has posted he

If one discovers they have a problem with their casting technique
(whether via less-than-lessons or self-teaching) and seeks to remedy
that problem, they will be better off in the long run as an all-around
caster. If all BobS ever intended to do is fish that rig and line at
whatever distance, then maybe simply sticking with that might be just
the ticket. Probably not, buy hey, to each their own.

Now, if the situation had been that BobS could cast 80' feet with the
Orvis and only 73' with the RIO on this or that rod, then the idea of
simply using the Orvis line might have merit, but when the distances are
20' v. 50', something is up that has nothing to do with the line (taking
him at his writing that it was at least a 4 if not a 5) or the rod. With
a 4 rather than a 5 of the same line, the difference in weight, all
other factors equal, simply isn't going to stall - hell, slam down - a
cast as he was describing, and the differences in the various line
manufacturers simply aren't THAT great.

TC,
R

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"chromefinder" wrote in message
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BobS

Why not just use the Orvis line and go fising with the time you plan on
spending in "casting" class?


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Good point...but....

If I was just a fishing nut than the "how I get there" wouldn't matter much
and the sport would only be about catching fish - somehow. To me, I can
stand in a stream all day long and fish and not give a hoot if I actually
catch one or not.

It's more the journey for me than the end result of catching a fish.
Learning how / why things work along the way is more interesting to me than
what I catch. This is a hobby, not something I have to rush and a pursuit I
hope to be proficient enough at so that when I do retire - I can go fishing
knowing I know what I can and cannot do with the tools I brought along.

I realize that may be back-asswards from the norm but that's life.......
And if I find out that my casting technique is a total bust - I will do
exactly as you suggest and just - go fishing!

Thank you,

Bob S.

Rio Line
 

On Aug 15, 3:02 am, "BobS" wrote:



If I was just a fishing nut than the "how I get there" wouldn't matter much
and the sport would only be about catching fish - somehow. To me, I can
stand in a stream all day long and fish and not give a hoot if I actually
catch one or not.

It's more the journey for me than the end result of catching a fish.
Learning how / why things work along the way is more interesting to me than
what I catch. This is a hobby, not something I have to rush and a pursuit I
hope to be proficient enough at so that when I do retire - I can go fishing
knowing I know what I can and cannot do with the tools I brought along.

I realize that may be back-asswards from the norm but that's life.......
And if I find out that my casting technique is a total bust - I will do
exactly as you suggest and just - go fishing!

Thank you,

Bob S.

Sounds just exactly the right way to go about it to me. I see you
solved your problem. Still a little unusual for casting technique to
make that much difference on two similar weight lines.

Anyway, congratulations on a step forward. One learns a great deal
more by analysing and overcoming failures, than by just carrying on
regardless. Also, a good casting teacher is rarer than you might
think!

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wrote in message
...
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:54:07 -0400, chromefinder
wrote:


rdean3REMOVE;92498 Wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:46:07 -0400, chromefinder
wrote:


BobS

Why not just use the Orvis line and go fising with the time you plan
on
spending in "casting" class?

Aw, hell, why not just return 'em both, skip the classes, and buy a
SUPERWHOPPERSIZE Filet O'McJack "meal" with a
Frappamochachinolatte....or a cane pole, a bobber, some worms, and a
shooting head...don't forgot a shooting head...

Well, it'd be cheaper, and ****, they can sling them McWhoppofishes
out
like...like...like they had shooting heads...

And speaking of not helping matters ah-tall,
R

OK OK

I just found it odd that BobS choose the line that he actually had to
learn how to cast via instruction vs the one he felt comfortable with
out of the box. I certainly would have gone the easy route here and
bought the Orvis line. Will BobS, when he's completed his casting
lessons be able to cast the Orvis line 30' farther than what he's able
to cast the Rio line that he just learned how to cast????

Um...OK, will he?

Seriously, and speaking in generalities because I don't know BobS and
so, I only know of the situation by what he has posted he

If one discovers they have a problem with their casting technique
(whether via less-than-lessons or self-teaching) and seeks to remedy
that problem, they will be better off in the long run as an all-around
caster. If all BobS ever intended to do is fish that rig and line at
whatever distance, then maybe simply sticking with that might be just
the ticket. Probably not, buy hey, to each their own.

Now, if the situation had been that BobS could cast 80' feet with the
Orvis and only 73' with the RIO on this or that rod, then the idea of
simply using the Orvis line might have merit, but when the distances are
20' v. 50', something is up that has nothing to do with the line (taking
him at his writing that it was at least a 4 if not a 5) or the rod. With
a 4 rather than a 5 of the same line, the difference in weight, all
other factors equal, simply isn't going to stall - hell, slam down - a
cast as he was describing, and the differences in the various line
manufacturers simply aren't THAT great.

TC,
R

Can't argue that there is or is not a significant difference in lines but
what I do know is that I cannot cast that Rio line with the same technique
that I cast other lines. Whatever the reason may be, the fact remains that
when I cast as the shop owner suggested, I did much better with the Rio
line. I simply haven't had a chance to get out there and cast other lines
using the new techniques I learned today. Maybe tomorrow night.

For sake of argument, we'll call my style the 10 & 2 cast. The other style
is more of Lefty Kreh's and Ed Jaworski (sp) since those are the gentleman
that the shop owner said taught him. Hard to argue that those two
individuals don't know what they're doing...... So, if I can make this
hobby that much more comfortable and interesting by taking a few lessons,
then that's what I'll try. My practicing alone isn't getting me any
feedback nor am I moving forward.

And it's not about just getting distance - although one could infer that
from my posts - it's also about presentation and how to do it properly.
Actually catching a fish is not be my top priority when I'm standing in the
Russian or Kenai river looking at the snow-capped mountains on a bright
sunny Alaskan day.... (knowing there's gonna be salmon on the menu tonight
despite my lousy fishing techniques).

I can appreciate others only being interested in the catch and it doesn't
matter what is used or how it's done. Their enjoyment of the sport is no
less or more than mine - just different paths getting there.

Thanks for the comments and insights,

Bob S.

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Bob S.

Thanks for the reply and enjoy the journey. I just really wanted to
know why you didnt' go with the Orvis line.

cheers


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On Aug 15, 3:29 am, "BobS" wrote:
wrote in message

...



On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:54:07 -0400, chromefinder
wrote:

rdean3REMOVE;92498 Wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:46:07 -0400, chromefinder
wrote:

BobS

Why not just use the Orvis line and go fising with the time you plan
on
spending in "casting" class?

Aw, hell, why not just return 'em both, skip the classes, and buy a
SUPERWHOPPERSIZE Filet O'McJack "meal" with a
Frappamochachinolatte....or a cane pole, a bobber, some worms, and a
shooting head...don't forgot a shooting head...

Well, it'd be cheaper, and ****, they can sling them McWhoppofishes
out
like...like...like they had shooting heads...

And speaking of not helping matters ah-tall,
R

OK OK

I just found it odd that BobS choose the line that he actually had to
learn how to cast via instruction vs the one he felt comfortable with
out of the box. I certainly would have gone the easy route here and
bought the Orvis line. Will BobS, when he's completed his casting
lessons be able to cast the Orvis line 30' farther than what he's able
to cast the Rio line that he just learned how to cast????

Um...OK, will he?

Seriously, and speaking in generalities because I don't know BobS and
so, I only know of the situation by what he has posted he

If one discovers they have a problem with their casting technique
(whether via less-than-lessons or self-teaching) and seeks to remedy
that problem, they will be better off in the long run as an all-around
caster. If all BobS ever intended to do is fish that rig and line at
whatever distance, then maybe simply sticking with that might be just
the ticket. Probably not, buy hey, to each their own.

Now, if the situation had been that BobS could cast 80' feet with the
Orvis and only 73' with the RIO on this or that rod, then the idea of
simply using the Orvis line might have merit, but when the distances are
20' v. 50', something is up that has nothing to do with the line (taking
him at his writing that it was at least a 4 if not a 5) or the rod. With
a 4 rather than a 5 of the same line, the difference in weight, all
other factors equal, simply isn't going to stall - hell, slam down - a
cast as he was describing, and the differences in the various line
manufacturers simply aren't THAT great.

TC,
R

Can't argue that there is or is not a significant difference in lines but
what I do know is that I cannot cast that Rio line with the same technique
that I cast other lines. Whatever the reason may be, the fact remains that
when I cast as the shop owner suggested, I did much better with the Rio
line. I simply haven't had a chance to get out there and cast other lines
using the new techniques I learned today. Maybe tomorrow night.

For sake of argument, we'll call my style the 10 & 2 cast. The other style
is more of Lefty Kreh's and Ed Jaworski (sp) since those are the gentleman
that the shop owner said taught him. Hard to argue that those two
individuals don't know what they're doing...... So, if I can make this
hobby that much more comfortable and interesting by taking a few lessons,
then that's what I'll try. My practicing alone isn't getting me any
feedback nor am I moving forward.

And it's not about just getting distance - although one could infer that
from my posts - it's also about presentation and how to do it properly.
Actually catching a fish is not be my top priority when I'm standing in the
Russian or Kenai river looking at the snow-capped mountains on a bright
sunny Alaskan day.... (knowing there's gonna be salmon on the menu tonight
despite my lousy fishing techniques).

I can appreciate others only being interested in the catch and it doesn't
matter what is used or how it's done. Their enjoyment of the sport is no
less or more than mine - just different paths getting there.

Thanks for the comments and insights,

Bob S.

You are going the right way, and you will eventually catch more than
others anyway. It is an inevitable side effect of learning how and why
things work, and how to use them properly.

Enjoy your lessons, and your fishing, or even just the view! :)

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-on...c_modulus.html

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"chromefinder" wrote in message
...

Bob S.

Thanks for the reply and enjoy the journey. I just really wanted to
know why you didnt' go with the Orvis line.

cheers


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chromefinder,

Another inquisitive mind.......;-)

Fair question and it goes back to the post about me asking for some advice
on which lines I should get for my brothers and brother-in-laws 8/9 wt
outfits. Simply, Rio was a line I have never tried so I picked up the demo
line the dealer had (saved $$$) for myself to give it a try. I did the
casting comparisons and I can't explain the difference but there is - and I
wanted to know why and not just chalk it off and go back to what worked for
me. It was not only the Rio line I've had a problem with but also the
Cortland 555 and 333 cast differently too. Not as bad as the Rio but there
are differences. Then, there comes a point where one finally has to question
"What the hell is going on....?"

So the Rio incident was the straw that did it and it became the challenge of
the week and the fact that I wasn't about to let it go without digging
further. So making sure I installed it right and that nothing was on the
line that could create extreme friction and then back to the fly shop to
weigh the line to insure it was a 5 wt and to bug the owner. He graciously
gave me over an hour of his time and he was more than willing to politely
show me that nothing was wrong with the line but would gladly exchange it
anyway - no problem. He then had the task of "How do you tell a customer -
they don't know how to cast properly".

Well, he handled that quite nicely by showing me exactly where my present
technique quit working and then proving to me that I could do far better -
hence the quickie lesson outside his shop. Well anybody that can turn
"lousy cast" around to an "acceptable cast" in a matter of a few minutes
gets my attention. He gave me instant feedback, made suggestions to
compensate for the error of my ways and understood that there was some
arthritis at play here too. So going by the book, which is what I've been
trying to do, doesn't always work and that a comfortable technique and
relaxed casting style is more important.

We may never know the real "why" I cast this line differently but I know the
cure and it gets me out to a casting pond for the next couple weeks with a
knowledgeable instructor. I'm certain to meet others with similar interests
and maybe even find out a about a couple of secret fishing holes in the
process.......

Looking forward to the lessons. I may never be a good fly-caster but at
least I'll know why I'm not.........;-)

Bob S.