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Yesterday I saw a TV program produced by TU and filmed near Asheville NC.
Showed the guys in a driftboat in the Tuckaseigee river catching what looked
like one stocker trout after another followed by some very large rainbows.
Then they talked about going elsewhere and how beautiful the native southern
appalachian brook trout are. Next thing we see are our heroes at a different
spot that they had to walk to (apparently not a long walk from wherever they
parked) and they are catching multiple 4-lb brook trout.

They made a few comments that, properly parsed and analyzed, might imply
that such brookies are not normal. But I think the comments were in the "I
did not have sex with that woman" category.

Extremely disappointing to see TU produce a program that, to me at least,
pushed the edge of the envelope on truth. They could have done a very
interesting and truthful program on native trout, but they did something far
different. It looks more like a commercial for a guide service whose name
was generously shown many times. Anybody else see it?

Bob

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Bob Patton wrote:
... near Asheville NC.
...
multiple 4-lb brook trout.

That's weird.

Only thing I can think of is a phoney baloney "Jurassic Park"
type pet fish farm. They sure as hell weren't wild fish.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
.com...
Bob Patton wrote:
... near Asheville NC.
...
multiple 4-lb brook trout.

That's weird.

Only thing I can think of is a phoney baloney "Jurassic Park"
type pet fish farm. They sure as hell weren't wild fish.

--
Ken Fortenberry

I've caught brook trout that size in western NC. But they were brood stock
from a hatchery. TU was either catching fish like that, or the guide service
took them to a very special place reserved for high-paying dummies. Judging
by a little wooden bridge visible upstream, I think the guide service was
doing a pretty good job of self-promotion. And TU was doing a pretty good
job of being an accomplice.

Bob

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Saw the show and have to agree with all that's been stated. Was also
really disappointed about the lack of "instructional" info presented.
I caught the advert for this show a couple of weeks ago in TU's mag.
and was really looking forward to the broadcast. Alas......
How about some of the NC-claver's posting some feedback? Bill in Va.

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"Bill McDonald" wrote in message
om...
Saw the show and have to agree with all that's been stated. Was
also
really disappointed about the lack of "instructional" info
presented.
I caught the advert for this show a couple of weeks ago in TU's mag.
and was really looking forward to the broadcast. Alas......
How about some of the NC-claver's posting some feedback? Bill in
Va.

Timing is everything. None of the brookies I caught while attending
three separate NC claves in as many years was four pounds in
weight......at the time. Doubtless, all of them are by now.

Wolfgang

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Let's go get them next month. Mid-November....that ought to be crazy enough
for 'you'.

john

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

"Bill McDonald" wrote in message
om...
Saw the show and have to agree with all that's been stated. Was
also
really disappointed about the lack of "instructional" info
presented.
I caught the advert for this show a couple of weeks ago in TU's mag.
and was really looking forward to the broadcast. Alas......
How about some of the NC-claver's posting some feedback? Bill in
Va.

Timing is everything. None of the brookies I caught while attending
three separate NC claves in as many years was four pounds in
weight......at the time. Doubtless, all of them are by now.

Wolfgang

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"asadi" wrote in message
...
Let's go get them next month. Mid-November....that ought to be crazy
enough
for 'you'.


I would love to, John, as much for the company as for the fishing.
Unfortunately, my arrangement with my putative employers is such that
I am forced to choose between eating and camaraderizing, at least for
the nonce. Maybe next spring.

Wolfgang
hm........maybe i should try working for a
living?..........mmmm......nah.

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didn't see the show. but... 4 lb brookies in nc are from the trout zoos
only. tv trout shows are commercial bull****. teevee show producers
don't like the trouble, expense, and uncertainty associated with the
real story on nc brook trout fishing - thank god, goddess, and mother
nature. a 12 inch native brook trout in nc is unusually large and a
rarity. i've caught only one in my adventures chasing native brookies.
come fish with us sometime if you wanna know the true story...

jeff

Bill McDonald wrote:

Saw the show and have to agree with all that's been stated. Was also
really disappointed about the lack of "instructional" info presented.
I caught the advert for this show a couple of weeks ago in TU's mag.
and was really looking forward to the broadcast. Alas......
How about some of the NC-claver's posting some feedback? Bill in Va.

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"Wolfgang" wrote...

"asadi" wrote...
Let's go get them next month. Mid-November....that ought to be crazy
enough for 'you'.

I would love to, John, as much for the company as for the fishing.
Unfortunately, my arrangement with my putative employers is such that
I am forced to choose between eating and camaraderizing, at least for
the nonce. Maybe next spring.

Wolfgang
hm........maybe i should try working for a
living?..........mmmm......nah.

As much as you post during working hours, it's obvious you don't work for a
living.

Well, gotta go. I'm on the clock, you know.
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

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On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:55:26 -0400, Jeff Miller
wrote:

didn't see the show. but... 4 lb brookies in nc are from the trout zoos
only. tv trout shows are commercial bull****. teevee show producers
don't like the trouble, expense, and uncertainty associated with the
real story on nc brook trout fishing - thank god, goddess, and mother
nature. a 12 inch native brook trout in nc is unusually large and a
rarity. i've caught only one in my adventures chasing native brookies.
come fish with us sometime if you wanna know the true story...

jeff

Bill McDonald wrote:

Saw the show and have to agree with all that's been stated. Was also
really disappointed about the lack of "instructional" info presented.
I caught the advert for this show a couple of weeks ago in TU's mag.
and was really looking forward to the broadcast. Alas......
How about some of the NC-claver's posting some feedback? Bill in Va.

And yet the latest issue Trout (TU's magazine) has a very nice story on
Appalachian brook trout, including a shot of a stream that looks for all the
world as if its flowing down a grand staircase built of car sized boulders. And
no pictures of mesomorphic brookies.

Also the TU TV show last year did an episode on the Mecan R. in Wisconsin where
they were virtually rained out and spent most of the show talking water quality
and tying flies. Which, come to think of it, may explain why they might have
felt a need to spice up the production values this year.

g.c.

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"George Cleveland" wrote in message
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//snip//
And yet the latest issue Trout (TU's magazine) has a very nice story on
Appalachian brook trout, including a shot of a stream that looks for all
the
world as if its flowing down a grand staircase built of car sized
boulders. And
no pictures of mesomorphic brookies.

//snip//
It is a very good article. If they'd spent a little time and effort maybe
they could have had the TV crew tag along on that story. Christopher Camuto,
who wrote the article in Trout, has a marvelous appreciation for the
mountains, and if he'd let a TV crew participate I'm sure it would have been
an interesting program.

Bob

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well george... why not talk to wolfie, and the two of you come on down
for some brookie chasing in nc. bring the tu teevee crew along and we'll
"put on a show"... but i'm not carryin the teevee cameras, or lights,
or gaffs, or anydamnthinglikeit. g

jeff

George Cleveland wrote:


And yet the latest issue Trout (TU's magazine) has a very nice story on
Appalachian brook trout, including a shot of a stream that looks for all the
world as if its flowing down a grand staircase built of car sized boulders. And
no pictures of mesomorphic brookies.

Also the TU TV show last year did an episode on the Mecan R. in Wisconsin where
they were virtually rained out and spent most of the show talking water quality
and tying flies. Which, come to think of it, may explain why they might have
felt a need to spice up the production values this year.

g.c.

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On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:53:45 -0400, Jeff Miller
wrote:

well george... why not talk to wolfie, and the two of you come on down
for some brookie chasing in nc. bring the tu teevee crew along and we'll
"put on a show"... but i'm not carryin the teevee cameras, or lights,
or gaffs, or anydamnthinglikeit. g

jeff

What month in the springtime would be the best? No promises but, as I've written
before, the mother-in-law lives in Fairfield Glade TN and I have permission to
abandon Jacci there if we ever go back down to visit.

g.c.


George Cleveland wrote:


And yet the latest issue Trout (TU's magazine) has a very nice story on
Appalachian brook trout, including a shot of a stream that looks for all the
world as if its flowing down a grand staircase built of car sized boulders. And
no pictures of mesomorphic brookies.

Also the TU TV show last year did an episode on the Mecan R. in Wisconsin where
they were virtually rained out and spent most of the show talking water quality
and tying flies. Which, come to think of it, may explain why they might have
felt a need to spice up the production values this year.

g.c.

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"George Cleveland" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:53:45 -0400, Jeff Miller

wrote:

well george... why not talk to wolfie, and the two of you come on down
for some brookie chasing in nc. bring the tu teevee crew along and we'll
"put on a show"... but i'm not carryin the teevee cameras, or lights,
or gaffs, or anydamnthinglikeit. g

jeff

What month in the springtime would be the best? No promises but, as I've
written
before, the mother-in-law lives in Fairfield Glade TN and I have
permission to
abandon Jacci there if we ever go back down to visit.

May is a lovely month in the mountains. Been there. Done it. Eager to do
it again. I think it's time to broaden the horizons of all those effete
pointy headed louts up in Pennsylvanica, Taxachusetts, and what not. I say
scrap the Penn's thing and do up a BIG bash in Graham county.....let's see
if them boys can fish more than an ahms length from the cah.

Wolfgang

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late april or most of may imo... but may is penns also.

jeff

George Cleveland wrote:

On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:53:45 -0400, Jeff Miller
wrote:


well george... why not talk to wolfie, and the two of you come on down
for some brookie chasing in nc. bring the tu teevee crew along and we'll
"put on a show"... but i'm not carryin the teevee cameras, or lights,
or gaffs, or anydamnthinglikeit. g

jeff


What month in the springtime would be the best? No promises but, as I've written
before, the mother-in-law lives in Fairfield Glade TN and I have permission to
abandon Jacci there if we ever go back down to visit.

g.c.



George Cleveland wrote:



And yet the latest issue Trout (TU's magazine) has a very nice story on
Appalachian brook trout, including a shot of a stream that looks for all the
world as if its flowing down a grand staircase built of car sized boulders. And
no pictures of mesomorphic brookies.

Also the TU TV show last year did an episode on the Mecan R. in Wisconsin where
they were virtually rained out and spent most of the show talking water quality
and tying flies. Which, come to think of it, may explain why they might have
felt a need to spice up the production values this year.

g.c.

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"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
news:NCGlb.98153$AH4.84974@lakeread06...
late april or most of may imo... but may is penns also.


yep, late april is the best time of the year for us. it's the only time
that you will see substantial insect activity in the form of "hatches",
although it will not be anything like what i have seen in the northeast
about two weeks later.

yfitons
wayno

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Wolfie writes:
I think it's time to broaden the horizons of all those effete
pointy headed louts up in Pennsylvanica, Taxachusetts, and what not. I say
scrap the Penn's thing and do up a BIG bash in Graham county.....let's see
if them boys can fish more than an ahms length from the cah.

Some of us pointy headed types have spent the bulk of this season chasing brook
and brown trout in little mountain streams that require a bit of hoofing. Good
for the soul and all that. Still, unleashing 40 or so of us onto brook trout
waters might be a bit much. I always figured that the lure of Penn's had a bit
to do with the prolific bug life....kinda ties in with the fly part of fly
fishingg. I think, in that respect, we've gone and corrupted the NC crowd(at
least for one blissful week a year).
still Loutish in PA,
Tom

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Jeff Miller states:

late april or most of may imo... but may is penns also.

Wolfgang, note my earlier comment,
corrupting the Carolinians!!

corrupter of youth everywhere,
Tom

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since no one else is taking responsibility, in the next few days i hope
to be establishing the dates for the penns gathering in may 2004. g
are there any days in mid may that present a problem for the pa. hosts -
tom, mike, davepa, vince, mark??

jeff (completely corrupted)

Tom Littleton wrote:
Wolfie writes:

I think it's time to broaden the horizons of all those effete
pointy headed louts up in Pennsylvanica, Taxachusetts, and what not. I say
scrap the Penn's thing and do up a BIG bash in Graham county.....let's see
if them boys can fish more than an ahms length from the cah.


Some of us pointy headed types have spent the bulk of this season chasing brook
and brown trout in little mountain streams that require a bit of hoofing. Good
for the soul and all that. Still, unleashing 40 or so of us onto brook trout
waters might be a bit much. I always figured that the lure of Penn's had a bit
to do with the prolific bug life....kinda ties in with the fly part of fly
fishingg. I think, in that respect, we've gone and corrupted the NC crowd(at
least for one blissful week a year).
still Loutish in PA,
Tom

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late april or most of may imo... but may is penns also.

Wolfgang, note my earlier comment,
corrupting the Carolinians!!

corrupter of youth everywhere,
Tom

Next step, conversion to Yuengling.
Good job, Agent Catskill

Frank Reid

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since no one else is taking responsibility, in the next few days i hope
to be establishing the dates for the penns gathering in may 2004. g
are there any days in mid may that present a problem for the pa. hosts -
tom, mike, davepa, vince, mark??

jeff (completely corrupted)

If you, a North Cakalakian is gonna play Clavemeister in PA, can I suggest a
theme for next year? How 'bout Gettysburg - Part Deux.
--
Frank Reid
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not meistering at all, and one gettysburg was quite enough, thank you...
i'm just trying to get the dates set so we can all make plans... btw,
when is penn state graduation? we definitely want to avoid that weekend.

jeff (corrupted, but not crazy)

Frank Reid wrote:
since no one else is taking responsibility, in the next few days i hope
to be establishing the dates for the penns gathering in may 2004. g
are there any days in mid may that present a problem for the pa. hosts -
tom, mike, davepa, vince, mark??

jeff (completely corrupted)


If you, a North Cakalakian is gonna play Clavemeister in PA, can I suggest a
theme for next year? How 'bout Gettysburg - Part Deux.

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"Tom Littleton" wrote in message
...
Jeff Miller states:

late april or most of may imo... but may is penns also.

Wolfgang, note my earlier comment,
corrupting the Carolinians!!

corrupter of youth everywhere,
Tom

But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed,
speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly
perish in their own corruption;

Wolfgang
or.....the corruption of the already damned is a source of pride only
to those with low aspirations. :)

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I saw this program and had about the same reaction as most.

What disgusted me the most was that it was the typical TUTV - let's show off
our National Office flunkies and what great fly fishers they are. Nevermind
that most local chapters have never invited her back for another
presentation because of complaints from the membership.

As for the Back the Brookies program, it was devised by her to keep her job
and that's about it. Did it save the Mountain Aquaculture Research Center at
Western Carolina University which was THE place that was doing true research
on native-strain Southern App. Brook Trout and establishing their range
throughout WNC? No.

-John in WNC

"Bob Patton" rwpmailatcharterdotnet wrote in message
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Yesterday I saw a TV program produced by TU and filmed near Asheville NC.
Showed the guys in a driftboat in the Tuckaseigee river catching what
looked
like one stocker trout after another followed by some very large rainbows.
Then they talked about going elsewhere and how beautiful the native
southern
appalachian brook trout are. Next thing we see are our heroes at a
different
spot that they had to walk to (apparently not a long walk from wherever
they
parked) and they are catching multiple 4-lb brook trout.

They made a few comments that, properly parsed and analyzed, might imply
that such brookies are not normal. But I think the comments were in the "I
did not have sex with that woman" category.

Extremely disappointing to see TU produce a program that, to me at least,
pushed the edge of the envelope on truth. They could have done a very
interesting and truthful program on native trout, but they did something
far
different. It looks more like a commercial for a guide service whose name
was generously shown many times. Anybody else see it?

Bob

Trout Unlimited TV program
 

Yesterday I saw a TV program produced by TU and filmed near Asheville NC.
Showed the guys in a driftboat in the Tuckaseigee river catching what looked
like one stocker trout after another followed by some very large rainbows.
Then they talked about going elsewhere and how beautiful the native southern
appalachian brook trout are. Next thing we see are our heroes at a different
spot that they had to walk to (apparently not a long walk from wherever they
parked) and they are catching multiple 4-lb brook trout.

They made a few comments that, properly parsed and analyzed, might imply
that such brookies are not normal. But I think the comments were in the "I
did not have sex with that woman" category.

Extremely disappointing to see TU produce a program that, to me at least,
pushed the edge of the envelope on truth. They could have done a very
interesting and truthful program on native trout, but they did something far
different. It looks more like a commercial for a guide service whose name
was generously shown many times. Anybody else see it?

Bob


The reason I quit watching ALL fishing and hunting shows years ago.

-pw

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livingston/emigrant,montana
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