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tmon October 22nd, 2003 04:33 AM

As Winter Comes
 
Soon the fall will give way to the winter in the Northeast. Any
suggestions for good enjoyable 'non technical' books to pass the time?
I just picked up Ray Bergman's Trout and I love it. Although there are
technical aspects to the book, I just really enjoy the guy's writing
style. Any other recommendations?


Wayne Knight October 22nd, 2003 05:58 AM

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"tmon" wrote in message
...
Soon the fall will give way to the winter in the Northeast. Any
suggestions for good enjoyable 'non technical' books to pass the time?
I just picked up Ray Bergman's Trout and I love it. Although there are
technical aspects to the book, I just really enjoy the guy's writing
style. Any other recommendations?


Oh Lordie,,,,any number of suggestions this should get you into the New Year
anyway...

1. River Music - Babb
2. On the Spine of Time - Middleton
3. Early Love and Brook Trout - Prosek
4. Fishermans Spring/Summer/Fall/Winter - Haig Brown
5. Winding Ridge Trilogy - Volk
6. From a Wooden Canoe - Dennis
7. A Place on the Water - Dennis
8. Meanderings of a Fly Fisherman - Norman
9. A River Never Sleeps - Haig Brown (anything by Haig -Brown)
10. any and everything by Nick Lyons
11. Snowfly - Heywood
12. Pocket Water - Tapply
13. Crosscurrents - Babb
14. The Habit of Rivers - Leeson
15. Running Waters - Proper (if into hunting also look at Pheasants of the
Mind)
16. The Longest Silence - McGuane

Wayne K.
(and people think I only collect rods)



George Cleveland October 22nd, 2003 06:10 AM

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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:58:18 -0500, "Wayne Knight"
wrote:


"tmon" wrote in message
...
Soon the fall will give way to the winter in the Northeast. Any
suggestions for good enjoyable 'non technical' books to pass the time?
I just picked up Ray Bergman's Trout and I love it. Although there are
technical aspects to the book, I just really enjoy the guy's writing
style. Any other recommendations?


Oh Lordie,,,,any number of suggestions this should get you into the New Year
anyway...

1. River Music - Babb
2. On the Spine of Time - Middleton
3. Early Love and Brook Trout - Prosek
4. Fishermans Spring/Summer/Fall/Winter - Haig Brown
5. Winding Ridge Trilogy - Volk
6. From a Wooden Canoe - Dennis
7. A Place on the Water - Dennis
8. Meanderings of a Fly Fisherman - Norman
9. A River Never Sleeps - Haig Brown (anything by Haig -Brown)
10. any and everything by Nick Lyons
11. Snowfly - Heywood
12. Pocket Water - Tapply
13. Crosscurrents - Babb
14. The Habit of Rivers - Leeson
15. Running Waters - Proper (if into hunting also look at Pheasants of the
Mind)
16. The Longest Silence - McGuane

Wayne K.
(and people think I only collect rods)


Leeson's "Jerusalem Creek" is also very good. As is Middleton's "The Earth is
Enough".There are lots more, enough to fill up years of closed seasons.


g.c.

JR October 22nd, 2003 07:27 AM

As Winter Comes
 
tmon wrote:

Soon the fall will give way to the winter in the Northeast. Any
suggestions for good enjoyable 'non technical' books to pass the time?
I just picked up Ray Bergman's Trout and I love it. Although there are
technical aspects to the book, I just really enjoy the guy's writing
style. Any other recommendations?


Wayne's "anything by Haig-Brown" is a good start. "A River Never
Sleeps" is far and away my favorite FFing book.

I'd to his list Steve Raymond's "Year of the Angler" and "Rivers of the
Heart."

JR

Brimbum October 22nd, 2003 10:22 AM

As Winter Comes
 
Soon the fall will give way to the winter in the Northeast. Any
suggestions for good enjoyable 'non technical' books to pass the time?
I just picked up Ray Bergman's Trout and I love it. Although there are
technical aspects to the book, I just really enjoy the guy's writing
style. Any other recommendations?



I always look forward to curling up with a good book on a chilly night for a
few hours, but it will have to wait a while...The temp was back up into the
90's yesterday in Dallas. I always re-read some Gierach,just about anything
will do, but one of my favorites is Trout Bum. Just for ****s and grins try one
oof the fly-fishing novels. The one that jumps out from the bookshelf at the
moment is The Flyfishing Corpse by David Leitz. You might want to wander the
aisles at you local Half-Price Books just for the hell of it. Get on the list
to receive the Book Mailer from Graycliff Publishing. It is a good read and I
challange you to spend less than a hundred bucks when you call them. That was
La Fontaine's Publishing Company and I have never been dissapointed by any book
they recomended. Contact Waldo at Wilson Creek Outfitters for any out of print
books and he should be able to help you with some cool old stuff. There was a
bunch in his shop when I was there a few weeks ago.

Big Dale


Wolfgang October 22nd, 2003 11:10 AM

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"tmon" wrote in message
...
Soon the fall will give way to the winter in the Northeast. Any
suggestions for good enjoyable 'non technical' books to pass the time?
I just picked up Ray Bergman's Trout and I love it. Although there are
technical aspects to the book, I just really enjoy the guy's writing
style. Any other recommendations?


"The Degradation of the Academic Dogma", by Robert A. Nisbet. A classic (if
somewhat dated) treatment of the ills that plague the modern American
university.

"The Story of Corn", by Betty Fussell. Everything you ever wanted to know
about corn......and then some.

Wolfgang



tmon October 22nd, 2003 12:12 PM

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From: (Wolfgang)

"The Degradation of the Academic Dogma", by Robert A. Nisbet. A classic
(if somewhat dated) treatment of the ills that plague the modern
American university.

Hmm.... I didn't know there were problems with modern American academia.
Do the problems have anything to do with the fact that the professors in
the sample know Forty?

"The Story of Corn", by Betty Fussell. Everything you ever wanted to
know about corn......and then some.

What's that?


Tim J. October 22nd, 2003 12:46 PM

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"Wolfgang" wrote...
snip
"The Story of Corn", by Betty Fussell. Everything you ever wanted to know
about corn......and then some.


I especially like the passage, "The husky colonel stalked her unmercifully, her
silky skin popping with anticipation, as she rowed through water thick as
cream."
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj



Wolfgang October 22nd, 2003 12:56 PM

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"tmon" wrote in message
...
From: (Wolfgang)

"The Degradation of the Academic Dogma", by Robert A. Nisbet. A classic
(if somewhat dated) treatment of the ills that plague the modern
American university.

Hmm.... I didn't know there were problems with modern American academia.


In that case, I would suggest you read "The Degradation of the Academic
Dogma", by Robert A. Nisbet.

Do the problems have anything to do with the fact that the professors in
the sample know Forty?


The professors in which sample?

"The Story of Corn", by Betty Fussell. Everything you ever wanted to
know about corn......and then some.

What's that?


A cereal crop. An annual grass also known as maize.

Wolfgang



Wayne Harrison October 22nd, 2003 01:06 PM

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"Tim J." wrote in message
...

"Wolfgang" wrote...
snip
"The Story of Corn", by Betty Fussell. Everything you ever wanted to

know
about corn......and then some.


I especially like the passage, "The husky colonel stalked her

unmercifully, her
silky skin popping with anticipation, as she rowed through water thick as
cream."


hilarious; and sweet to the ear...

yfitons
wayno



Conan the Librarian October 22nd, 2003 01:07 PM

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(tmon) wrote in message ...

Soon the fall will give way to the winter in the Northeast. Any
suggestions for good enjoyable 'non technical' books to pass the time?
I just picked up Ray Bergman's Trout and I love it. Although there are
technical aspects to the book, I just really enjoy the guy's writing
style. Any other recommendations?


After reading some comments from ROFFians on his work, I picked up
Datus Proper's _What The Trout Said_, and found it to be a great read.
It has some technical aspects to it, but it's such an entertaining
read that you almost don't realize that you're learning as you go.
I've since picked up _Running Waters_, and that's next on my reading
list. (Of course, the "off-season" around here is the middle of
summer; winter is good unless it simply gets too cold to be on the
water.)

Proper has a unique style that, IMHO, harkens back to another age.
I'm guessing that most folks either really like it or they just can't
stand it. Personally, I think it's great.


Chuck Vance

tony October 22nd, 2003 02:31 PM

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hooked
flyfishing through russia by fen montaigne
bloody good read! i felt like i was travelling with him

"Wayne Knight" wrote in message
...

"tmon" wrote in message
...
Soon the fall will give way to the winter in the Northeast. Any
suggestions for good enjoyable 'non technical' books to pass the time?
I just picked up Ray Bergman's Trout and I love it. Although there are
technical aspects to the book, I just really enjoy the guy's writing
style. Any other recommendations?


Oh Lordie,,,,any number of suggestions this should get you into the New

Year
anyway...

1. River Music - Babb
2. On the Spine of Time - Middleton
3. Early Love and Brook Trout - Prosek
4. Fishermans Spring/Summer/Fall/Winter - Haig Brown
5. Winding Ridge Trilogy - Volk
6. From a Wooden Canoe - Dennis
7. A Place on the Water - Dennis
8. Meanderings of a Fly Fisherman - Norman
9. A River Never Sleeps - Haig Brown (anything by Haig -Brown)
10. any and everything by Nick Lyons
11. Snowfly - Heywood
12. Pocket Water - Tapply
13. Crosscurrents - Babb
14. The Habit of Rivers - Leeson
15. Running Waters - Proper (if into hunting also look at Pheasants of the
Mind)
16. The Longest Silence - McGuane

Wayne K.
(and people think I only collect rods)





George Cleveland October 22nd, 2003 03:07 PM

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On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:06:40 GMT, "Wayne Harrison" wrote:


"Tim J." wrote in message
...

"Wolfgang" wrote...
snip
"The Story of Corn", by Betty Fussell. Everything you ever wanted to

know
about corn......and then some.


I especially like the passage, "The husky colonel stalked her

unmercifully, her
silky skin popping with anticipation, as she rowed through water thick as
cream."


hilarious; and sweet to the ear...

yfitons
wayno


Cornography degrades everyone!

g.c.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Russell October 22nd, 2003 03:13 PM

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Tim J. wrote:
"Wolfgang" wrote...
snip

"The Story of Corn", by Betty Fussell. Everything you ever wanted to know
about corn......and then some.



I especially like the passage, "The husky colonel stalked her unmercifully, her
silky skin popping with anticipation, as she rowed through water thick as
cream."


That's corny.



Stephen L. Cain October 22nd, 2003 03:16 PM

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(tmon) wrote in message ...
Soon the fall will give way to the winter in the Northeast. Any
suggestions for good enjoyable 'non technical' books to pass the time?
I just picked up Ray Bergman's Trout and I love it. Although there are
technical aspects to the book, I just really enjoy the guy's writing
style. Any other recommendations?


A few I recently finished:

_The Founding Fish_ by John McPhee. Very well written, it talks about
all aspects of the American shad: history, life cycle, fisheries
management, recipes, fishing techniques, conservation efforts,
locations, etc. McPhee is relatively local and thus quite a bit of his
information is directly useful to me. He fishes in spots twenty
minutes from my house. I think Indian Joe mentioned this book
favorably also. After reading this, I determined that I am taking part
of late April off next year to haunt the Delaware between New Hope and
Easton. His passionate descriptions of the history of shad as a food
fish, his recipes and how to eat them has me thinking hard about
keeping a roe shad.

_Winter: Notes from Montana_ by Rick Bass. Excerpts from the diary of
a young couple spending their first winter in a remote Montana valley.
He discusses fishing briefly in several places, but the main
attraction is his fascination with the season. Excellent prose. If
anything, it shows how winter in the Mid-Atlantic is a completely
different species relative to Montana.

_Ninety-two in the Shade_ by Thomas McGuane. A decent story line
dressed in magnificent writing. I think his fiction writing style far
outstrips his essay style, but his themes in essays are stonger than
in his fiction. McGuane sticks to what he knows: fishing and guiding
in the Keys.

Steve

Wolfgang October 22nd, 2003 03:18 PM

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"George Cleveland" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:06:40 GMT, "Wayne Harrison"

wrote:


"Tim J." wrote in message
...

"Wolfgang" wrote...
snip
"The Story of Corn", by Betty Fussell. Everything you ever

wanted to
know
about corn......and then some.

I especially like the passage, "The husky colonel stalked her

unmercifully, her
silky skin popping with anticipation, as she rowed through water

thick as
cream."


hilarious; and sweet to the ear...

yfitons
wayno


Cornography degrades everyone!


Absolute mealy-mouthed nonsense, without a germ of fact to back it up.
The gritty truth is there were cereal killers long before anyone ever
published a picture of a naked stamen. People have never been able to
live in hominy, and they never will.....bad seed and all that.....ever
since cane.

Wolfgang



Tim J. October 22nd, 2003 03:29 PM

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"Wolfgang" wrote...

George Cleveland wrote..
Wayne Harrison wrote:


"Tim J." wrote...

"Wolfgang" wrote...
snip
"The Story of Corn", by Betty Fussell. Everything you ever

wanted to
know
about corn......and then some.

I especially like the passage, "The husky colonel stalked her
unmercifully, her
silky skin popping with anticipation, as she rowed through water

thick as
cream."

hilarious; and sweet to the ear...

Cornography degrades everyone!


Absolute mealy-mouthed nonsense, without a germ of fact to back it up.
The gritty truth is there were cereal killers long before anyone ever
published a picture of a naked stamen. People have never been able to
live in hominy, and they never will.....bad seed and all that.....ever
since cane.


Amaizeing. All this corn talk is making my toes hurt.
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj



slenon October 22nd, 2003 03:49 PM

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bad seed and all that.....ever since cane.
Wolfgang


Leaf it alone. It's a flakey topic to begin with. You're likely to get
sorghums talking about it. Such goings on have been known to take the
starch out of men. Someone could tassle your hair and get no response.

----
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm




William Claspy October 23rd, 2003 12:39 AM

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Get yourself onto groups.google.com and search for Wolfgang's annotated
bibliography that he posted in several parts, what, about a year or so ago.
Oh never mind, I'll do it for you:

http://tinyurl.com/ryzq

That's part one, I'll leave it to the reader to find the other parts.

And since no one else has mentioned Robert Traver, I'll put in a vote for
Trout Madness. Excellent fire side reading.

I like Michael Checcio's writing too. I'm halfway through his recent Being
Nothingness and Fly Fishing. In chapter four he waxes rhapsodic about
Stanley, Idaho of all places...

Bill


vincent p. norris October 23rd, 2003 01:14 AM

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"The Degradation of the Academic Dogma", by Robert A. Nisbet.

There was a physicist here at Penn State by that name. Same one?

Thanks. vince

Peter Charles October 23rd, 2003 01:32 AM

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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 23:33:32 -0400 (EDT), (tmon) wrote:

Soon the fall will give way to the winter in the Northeast. Any
suggestions for good enjoyable 'non technical' books to pass the time?
I just picked up Ray Bergman's Trout and I love it. Although there are
technical aspects to the book, I just really enjoy the guy's writing
style. Any other recommendations?


Can argue with the list so far but I can add a few:

If you want a laugh -- Fly Fishing through the Midlife Crisis by
Howell Raines

A classic read: The Way of a Trout with a Fly By G. E. M. Skues

A very funny one from a local boy: Fumbling with a Flyrod by Ian
Colin James -- ended up as a national best seller -- not bad for a
fishing book. This dude is even funnier in person. Ties nice flies
too. Anybody who ties a puke fly can't be all bad. We gotta get this
guy to a clave.

Lines on the Water by David Adams Richards, a story about growing up
poor in New Brunswick, poor that is if you discount enjoying the
company of Salmo salar throughout your boyhood. We should all be this
poor.

Of course, if your tastes also run to subversion, I suggest Voltaire's
*******s by John Ralston Saul -- Canada's favourite political heretic.
In the ultimate piece of political perversity, he is married to
Adrienne Clarkson, the Governor General of Canada (our ceremonial head
of state). To think that such a heretic gets to sleep with the Boss
-- it's such a delicious irony. Forty, ol' boy -- you gotta buy this
one.

Peter

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slenon October 23rd, 2003 02:12 AM

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If you want a laugh -- Fly Fishing through the Midlife Crisis by Howell
Raines

I really enjoyed this one, too.

----
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm




Wolfgang October 23rd, 2003 02:40 AM

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"vincent p. norris" wrote in message
...
"The Degradation of the Academic Dogma", by Robert A. Nisbet.


There was a physicist here at Penn State by that name. Same one?

Thanks. vince


From the rear cover of the book:

Robert A. Nisbet (1913-1996) was Albert Schweitzer Professor of the
Humanities at Columbia University...

Nope, doesn't sound like the same guy.

Wolfgang
twins, maybe? :)



Todd Enders October 23rd, 2003 03:04 AM

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In Brimbum wrote:
Get on the list to
receive the Book Mailer from Greycliff Publishing. It is a good read
and I challange you to spend less than a hundred bucks when you call
them. That was La Fontaine's Publishing Company and I have never
been dissapointed by any book they recomended.

Indeed. :-) I've spent a goodly sum with Greycliff, and barely
scratched the surface of the books, etc. they offer. Highly
recommended! Point your web browser here for instant gratification:

http://www.greycliff.com

Todd (remove hook to reply)

Todd Enders October 23rd, 2003 03:07 AM

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In Wolfgang wrote:

[All manner of corny germinations snipped]

All y'all been smokin' dat corn silk again, eh? ;-)

Todd (remove hook to reply)

Frank Reid October 23rd, 2003 03:14 AM

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Awe yes, all these wonderful books for Winter reading. For you Floridians,
Awnoldistanians and other orange juice suckers, there's always:
http://snowflakes.lookandfeel.com
--
Frank Reid
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slenon October 23rd, 2003 04:01 PM

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http://snowflakes.lookandfeel.com
Frank Reid


Thank, Frank. I'll turn the AC down real low, pull my down vest from the
back of the closet, and look at this again.

Yesterday it was 85 and I spent some very pleasant hours catching speckled
sea trout (weakfish) on the Skyway Flats.


--

----
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm




slenon October 23rd, 2003 04:04 PM

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Greg:
I enjoyed, especially his early days, but I couldn't
figure out what his midlife crisis was, beyond the
divorce, which seemed like it was going to happen
regardless.


Sometimes a midlife crisis, and a divorce, can be quite marvelous
occurences. Are they, then, really crisis? But it was a fun read.

----
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm




David Snedeker October 23rd, 2003 08:17 PM

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Greg Pavlov wrote in message ...
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:32:10 -0400, Peter Charles
wrote:


If you want a laugh -- Fly Fishing through the Midlife Crisis by
Howell Raines


I enjoyed, especially his early days, but I couldn't
figure out what his midlife crisis was,


Well his most recent crisis was mismanaging the NY Times and favoring staff
who faked stories. For which I think he paid with his job. But I could be
wrong.
Dave



Ken Fortenberry October 23rd, 2003 09:33 PM

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David Snedeker wrote:

Well his most recent crisis was mismanaging the NY Times and favoring staff
who faked stories. For which I think he paid with his job. But I could be
wrong.


It's a twist of the facts to say he favored staff who faked stories.
A so-called "favored" reporter faked stories, but that's not the same
thing.

Raines did lose his job though, he was perceived as an arrogant and
inaccessible tyrant by his newsroom staff.

--
Ken Fortenberry


Tim J. October 23rd, 2003 09:40 PM

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote...
David Snedeker wrote:

Well his most recent crisis was mismanaging the NY Times and favoring staff
who faked stories. For which I think he paid with his job. But I could be
wrong.


It's a twist of the facts to say he favored staff who faked stories.
A so-called "favored" reporter faked stories, but that's not the same
thing.

Raines did lose his job though, he was perceived as an arrogant and
inaccessible tyrant by his newsroom staff.


Ooooooooh, a *dry* fly fisherman! ;-)
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj



slenon October 23rd, 2003 10:47 PM

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Greg:
Sometimes going over Niagara Falls can be a marvelous
occurrence. But all things considered, I'd just as soon not
have to partake of such enjoyments.


I'm not planning any such trip. However, the quality of my life, the amount
of pleasure in my life, increased 1000 fold after my divorce from my first
wife. It occurred in midlife. But actually there are far fewer crisis in
my life subsequently. Perhaps it was a midlife crisis reduction.

I'm not recommending divorce as a fun experience. But I think in the end it
added to my lifespan.

----
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm




Peter Charles October 24th, 2003 12:14 AM

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On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:04:13 GMT, "slenon"
wrote:

Greg:
I enjoyed, especially his early days, but I couldn't
figure out what his midlife crisis was, beyond the
divorce, which seemed like it was going to happen
regardless.


Sometimes a midlife crisis, and a divorce, can be quite marvelous
occurences. Are they, then, really crisis? But it was a fun read.

----
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm



I liked the book, even though he's an elitist, snob of a dry fly
fisherman. :) But, "Fumbling" is much funnier than "Midlife".

If you want a laugh . . .

If you want a crisis, then go with "Lines on the Water".

Peter

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Kiyu October 24th, 2003 02:38 AM

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On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:39:15 -0400, William Claspy
wrote:

And since no one else has mentioned Robert Traver, I'll put in a vote for
Trout Madness. Excellent fire side reading.


I am surprised that yours was the first....and only.

Trout Madness or Trout Magic for those days when listlessly gazing out
a window over a snow covered landscape.

Fishless Days, Angling Nights - anytime.

Kiyu


vincent p. norris October 24th, 2003 02:47 AM

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Robert A. Nisbet (1913-1996) was Albert Schweitzer Professor of the
Humanities at Columbia University...

Nope, doesn't sound like the same guy.

Wolfgang
twins, maybe? :)


Maybe. Thanks, Wolfgang

vince

David Snedeker October 24th, 2003 04:52 AM

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Ken Fortenberry wrote in message ...
David Snedeker wrote:

It's a twist of the facts to say he favored staff who faked stories.
A so-called "favored" reporter faked stories, but that's not the same
thing.


Kind of a stretch for me to buy that Raines was completely clueless that 2
of his major reporters were faking quotes and plagiarizing stories until
outsiders broke the story, but hey, maybe my Jersey boyhood makes me more
skeptical than is normal.

Dave



David Snedeker October 24th, 2003 10:46 PM

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Recommend . . .

O. Pavel, How I Came to Know Fish (1991)
(Trans. from the Czech, paper, out of print but still available used via
Amazon and Powells(?).
A personal memoir of Pavel's father, "best vacuums cleaner salesman in
Bohemia", " An account of paradise lost, set in the Bohemian countryside
before and after the arrival of the Nazis." Father outwits Nazis who
confiscate his carp ponds. Father poaches deer under noses of Nazis to
fortify family before being sent to concentration camps. They survive. Its
mostly a happy book, of strength, father/son companionship, and survival.

Pavel's only novel, a sports writer in communist Czech., Pavel dies in a
"mental" hospital. Its a beautiful book and makes a great holiday gift for
men and more thoughtful boys.

Dave




W. D. Grey November 4th, 2003 10:00 PM

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In article , Tim J.
writes
bsolute mealy-mouthed nonsense, without a germ of fact to back it up.
The gritty truth is there were cereal killers long before anyone ever
published a picture of a naked stamen. People have never been able to
live in hominy, and they never will.....bad seed and all that.....ever
since cane.


Amaizeing. All this corn talk is making my toes hurt.
--

Barley a decent pun to be heard on this group
--
Bill Grey
http://www.billboy.co.uk

riverman November 5th, 2003 08:44 AM

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"W. D. Grey" wrote in message
...
In article , Tim J.
writes
bsolute mealy-mouthed nonsense, without a germ of fact to back it up.
The gritty truth is there were cereal killers long before anyone ever
published a picture of a naked stamen. People have never been able to
live in hominy, and they never will.....bad seed and all that.....ever
since cane.


Amaizeing. All this corn talk is making my toes hurt.
--

Barley a decent pun to be heard on this group
--


Hay, what's all this stalk about puns?

--riverman



slenon November 5th, 2003 12:43 PM

As Winter Comes
 
Hay, what's all this stalk about puns?
--riverman


Just a bit of wry humor stuck in the rumor mill.

--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm





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