mismatching flyline weight with reel
 

hello everybody. i have a question here about reels and flylines. it's kind
of going against the grain so i was hoping some of you might chime in with
thoughts or personal experiences.

i have a redington CT 5/6 reel as well as an okuma integrity 5/6 large
arobor reel. these two reels are incredibly different in size and weight,
and i know the large arbor feature has a lot to do with it. at the moment
i'm using the okuma, keeping the redington in its case for future use in
some way.

i'm currently using a 9 foot 5 weight graphite rod. i'm exploring several
late season trout streams in my area and finding them very small but fun
still the same (most would be considered rivers at other times of the year).
if, ONE DAY, i purchase a second, smaller rod, could i use the smallish 5/6
redington on a 4 or 3 weight rod with 4 or 3 weight line? i guess what i'm
asking is would this cause any serious problems in performance?

thanks.

mismatching flyline weight with reel
 

I guess the biggest question is wether or not it will balance out your rod.
Under any circumstances
Id make sure to have enough backing to avoid too much line memory. The smaller
line will fill less
of your spool and thus the outer section would probably be more coiled unless
you fill it up with
backing.

eric paul zamora wrote:

hello everybody. i have a question here about reels and flylines. it's kind
of going against the grain so i was hoping some of you might chime in with
thoughts or personal experiences.

i have a redington CT 5/6 reel as well as an okuma integrity 5/6 large
arobor reel. these two reels are incredibly different in size and weight,
and i know the large arbor feature has a lot to do with it. at the moment
i'm using the okuma, keeping the redington in its case for future use in
some way.

i'm currently using a 9 foot 5 weight graphite rod. i'm exploring several
late season trout streams in my area and finding them very small but fun
still the same (most would be considered rivers at other times of the year).
if, ONE DAY, i purchase a second, smaller rod, could i use the smallish 5/6
redington on a 4 or 3 weight rod with 4 or 3 weight line? i guess what i'm
asking is would this cause any serious problems in performance?

thanks.

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eric paul zamora wrote:
...
if, ONE DAY, i purchase a second, smaller rod, could i use the smallish 5/6
redington on a 4 or 3 weight rod with 4 or 3 weight line? i guess what i'm
asking is would this cause any serious problems in performance? ...

Well, it would wreak havoc with your gear whore rating but as for actual
fishing, all you have to do is put enough backing on to leave a 1/4" gap
at the top of the spool when fully loaded with line & backing and you're
good to go.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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ahhh yes, the gear whore rating. always a consideration which almost
slipped my mind. hmmmm. first computers, then cycling, now fly fishing.
more thought is necessary i think. ;-)

thanks to both of you.


eric zamora
fresno, ca.




From: Ken Fortenberry
Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:32:19 GMT
Subject: mismatching flyline weight with reel

eric paul zamora wrote:
...
if, ONE DAY, i purchase a second, smaller rod, could i use the smallish 5/6
redington on a 4 or 3 weight rod with 4 or 3 weight line? i guess what i'm
asking is would this cause any serious problems in performance? ...

Well, it would wreak havoc with your gear whore rating but as for actual
fishing, all you have to do is put enough backing on to leave a 1/4" gap
at the top of the spool when fully loaded with line & backing and you're
good to go.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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I think too much is made of rod balance. Little consideration is given to
whether a particular reel balances the rod if it has an up locking or down
locking reel seat, yet this changes the balance point considerably. I
personally like up locking reel seats for two reasons. 1. The reel is
closer to my hand which makes casting less tiring. 2. When I set the rod
down it keeps the reel out of the dirt.
Ernie

"Svend Tang-Petersen" wrote in message
...

I guess the biggest question is wether or not it will balance out your
rod.
Under any circumstances
Id make sure to have enough backing to avoid too much line memory. The
smaller
line will fill less
of your spool and thus the outer section would probably be more coiled
unless
you fill it up with
backing.

mismatching flyline weight with reel
 

"eric paul zamora" wrote in message
...

hello everybody. i have a question here about reels and flylines. it's
kind
of going against the grain so i was hoping some of you might chime in with
thoughts or personal experiences.

i have a redington CT 5/6 reel as well as an okuma integrity 5/6 large
arobor reel. these two reels are incredibly different in size and weight,
and i know the large arbor feature has a lot to do with it. at the moment
i'm using the okuma, keeping the redington in its case for future use in
some way.

i'm currently using a 9 foot 5 weight graphite rod. i'm exploring several
late season trout streams in my area and finding them very small but fun
still the same (most would be considered rivers at other times of the
year).
if, ONE DAY, i purchase a second, smaller rod, could i use the smallish
5/6
redington on a 4 or 3 weight rod with 4 or 3 weight line? i guess what i'm
asking is would this cause any serious problems in performance?

All of the multi-millions of words that have been written about balancing
fly rods and reels, like all of the rest of the pseudo-mystical horse****
written about gear, are a poor substitute designed primarily to sell a lot
of overpriced crap to a bunch of people who are constitutionally incapable
of discovering for themselves or even learning from those who have seen it
where the real mysticism lies.......it's on the water. Take whatever you've
got or can get your hands on cheaply and get thee on the water. The rest is
for people who have money and good sense in inverse proportions.

Wolfgang

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"eric paul zamora" wrote in message
...


i'm currently using a 9 foot 5 weight graphite rod. i'm exploring several
late season trout streams in my area and finding them very small but fun
still the same (most would be considered rivers at other times of the
year).
if, ONE DAY, i purchase a second, smaller rod, could i use the smallish
5/6
redington on a 4 or 3 weight rod with 4 or 3 weight line? i guess what i'm
asking is would this cause any serious problems in performance?


I find a heavier reel more condusive to maintaining a good casting stroke
rather than the traditional "balance". In this particular case if you take
your "smallish" 5/6 reel and load it with backing and added a 3/4 wt line
you would in essence be fishing a large arbor reel with the extra backing
constituting the "large arbor"

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I think if you found a nice 8' #4 rod, it would be fine.

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA
www.kiene.com

"eric paul zamora" wrote in message
...

hello everybody. i have a question here about reels and flylines. it's
kind
of going against the grain so i was hoping some of you might chime in with
thoughts or personal experiences.

i have a redington CT 5/6 reel as well as an okuma integrity 5/6 large
arobor reel. these two reels are incredibly different in size and weight,
and i know the large arbor feature has a lot to do with it. at the moment
i'm using the okuma, keeping the redington in its case for future use in
some way.

i'm currently using a 9 foot 5 weight graphite rod. i'm exploring several
late season trout streams in my area and finding them very small but fun
still the same (most would be considered rivers at other times of the
year).
if, ONE DAY, i purchase a second, smaller rod, could i use the smallish
5/6
redington on a 4 or 3 weight rod with 4 or 3 weight line? i guess what i'm
asking is would this cause any serious problems in performance?

thanks.

mismatching flyline weight with reel
 

On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 21:16:23 GMT, eric paul zamora
wrote:


hello everybody. i have a question here about reels and flylines. it's kind
of going against the grain so i was hoping some of you might chime in with
thoughts or personal experiences.

i have a redington CT 5/6 reel as well as an okuma integrity 5/6 large
arobor reel. these two reels are incredibly different in size and weight,
and i know the large arbor feature has a lot to do with it. at the moment
i'm using the okuma, keeping the redington in its case for future use in
some way.

i'm currently using a 9 foot 5 weight graphite rod. i'm exploring several
late season trout streams in my area and finding them very small but fun
still the same (most would be considered rivers at other times of the year).
if, ONE DAY, i purchase a second, smaller rod, could i use the smallish 5/6
redington on a 4 or 3 weight rod with 4 or 3 weight line? i guess what i'm
asking is would this cause any serious problems in performance?

thanks.


The CT is a pretty light reel being a click and pawl. I don't think you'd have
any problems.

g.c.

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George wrote:The CT is a pretty light reel being a click and pawl. I don't
think you'd
have
any problems.


I like the CT reels so much I have one in each size. I think you will love it.
I do not care too much for the smallest size reel as it coils the line tighter
than I like, but just love the others. In a reel this light there are only
advantages to the larger ones from the way I look at them.

Big Dale

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On 23 Oct 2003 13:22:45 GMT, (Brimbum) wrote:

George wrote:The CT is a pretty light reel being a click and pawl. I don't
think you'd
have
any problems.


I like the CT reels so much I have one in each size. I think you will love it.
I do not care too much for the smallest size reel as it coils the line tighter
than I like, but just love the others. In a reel this light there are only
advantages to the larger ones from the way I look at them.

Big Dale


I had the smallest CT on my one weight and I agree. The next size up is still
only 3.5 oz. and would have worked just as well. They are nice reels.

g.c.

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eric paul zamora wrote:

... could i use the smallish 5/6
redington on a 4 or 3 weight rod with 4 or 3 weight line?...

First, I should say I have no experience with Redington reels, so I
don't know if this applies to that particular reel or not.

The only problem might be the minimum drag. I've had trouble with
oversize reels when I'm using 6x or 5x leader and the fish turns out to
be a big rainbow. One reel we had just wouldn't let the line out fast
enough for those fish. We made a field fix by reversing the reel
without reversing the line. This gave no drag at all for the running
fish, but a small drag for winding in the line. My son Andy had lost 4
nice fish before we mande the change, and he landed 3 after that. We
replaced that reel with a Ross Cimeron and are entirely satisfied.

Chas
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George wrote:I had the smallest CT on my one weight and I agree. The next size
up is still
only 3.5 oz. and would have worked just as well. They are nice reels.


I had an e-mail today from a guy that says that that series has been
discontinued. I was afraid of that when I heard that Sage is the latest owner
of the company.Soundl like I better buy a couple more if and when I find them.
I prefer the middle size one for my beloved little 3 weight rods.

Big Dale

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(Brimbum) wrote:
I had an e-mail today from a guy that says that that series has been
discontinued. I was afraid of that when I heard that Sage is the
latest owner
of the company.Soundl like I better buy a couple more if and when I
find them.
I prefer the middle size one for my beloved little 3 weight rods.

Not to pick on you, but a thought struck me. Why should we buy up the
old ones instead of looking around for the new stuff that put the old
ones off the market? Maybe this is an excuse to retire an old one to
your museum and find something new and probably better.

It's the American way. ;-)

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well, to answer chas' question from my point of view, one purpose for buying
up older, discontinued reels is the price break, especially if they're new
or like new condition; dealers and others are probably clearing them out at
good prices. in this reel's case, i picked it up for about half of
redington's GD reel (GD for $129 or so). redington carries two lower
models. one, the Red.fly (maybe closer to the CT in comparison) is die cast
(the CT is machined). the redfly (about the same price as my ebay'd CT)
offers the choice of extra spools which is nice but it doesn't have the
machined look and feel which i like.

i see now that redington also offers a new "crosswater" reel which looks
good for basic purposes and is even cheaper than my discontinued CT but it's
graphite and i still like the machined aspect of the ct.

uh oh, i'm rambling... sorry ;-) and forgive me if i sound like an ad for
redington. i don't mean to push them onto others in any way. at the time i
vbought the CT, it seemed fine for my light trout use, and still does.

you mentioned the american way. what happens if nobody buys up the
discontinued models? landfill? just arguing for argument's sake.

eric zamora
(who also buys used but still very good vehicles)
fresno, ca.



From: Chas Wade
Organization: Comcast Online
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 06:52:34 GMT
Subject: mismatching flyline weight with reel

(Brimbum) wrote:
I had an e-mail today from a guy that says that that series has been
discontinued. I was afraid of that when I heard that Sage is the
latest owner
of the company.Soundl like I better buy a couple more if and when I
find them.
I prefer the middle size one for my beloved little 3 weight rods.

Not to pick on you, but a thought struck me. Why should we buy up the
old ones instead of looking around for the new stuff that put the old
ones off the market? Maybe this is an excuse to retire an old one to
your museum and find something new and probably better.

It's the American way. ;-)

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Chas wrote:Why should we buy up the
old ones instead of looking around for the new stuff that put the old
ones off the market?

I don't think it was replaced with a new and better product. Sage just dosen't
care to serve the lower end of the market very well. As far as I am concerned
their only competition was the Ross click, pawl drag reel that has the
reputation of going thru springs on a regular basis. Please educate me if
anyone else is making a high quality inexpensive click paul drag reel that is
in the same class as the Redington CT. I happen to prefer that reel to my
little Hardy and it is a hell of a lot more inexpensive.

Big Dale

Big Dale

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Brimbum wrote:

... Redington CT. I happen to prefer that reel to my
little Hardy and it is a hell of a lot more inexpensive.

Really ? Why ?

--
Ken Fortenberry

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On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:16:09 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Brimbum wrote:

... Redington CT. I happen to prefer that reel to my
little Hardy and it is a hell of a lot more inexpensive.

Really ? Why ?

--
Ken Fortenberry



They really are nice reels. And IIRC they are made by our allies in Korea.

g.c.

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George Cleveland wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Brimbum wrote:

... Redington CT. I happen to prefer that reel to my
little Hardy and it is a hell of a lot more inexpensive.

Really ? Why ?

They really are nice reels. And IIRC they are made by our allies in Korea.

I'm sure they're nice, but why, other than price, would Big Dale
or anyone else prefer it to a Hardy ?

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Ken Fortenberry wrote:

I'm sure they're nice, but why, other than price, would Big Dale
or anyone else prefer it to a Hardy ?

Maybe because he's not a snobbish, elitist, English-landed-gentry wannabe?

--
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eric paul zamora wrote:


well, to answer chas' question from my point of view, one purpose for
buying
up older, discontinued reels is the price break, especially if they're
new
or like new condition; dealers and others are probably clearing them
out at
good prices.

Excellent point.

you mentioned the american way. what happens if nobody buys up the
discontinued models? landfill? just arguing for argument's sake.

I was making a joke with that comment. There's no danger in the reels
showing up in the landfill too soon. Plenty of cheapskates are out
there to snap up the bargains, and they won't throw them away
regardless of their utility.

On a more serious note, let me add that I'm not dissing reddington, I
have no experience with them, this was just a bit of fun with the gear
whore part of each of us.

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On 25 Oct 2003 09:46:20 GMT, (Brimbum) wrote:

Chas wrote:Why should we buy up the
old ones instead of looking around for the new stuff that put the old
ones off the market?

I don't think it was replaced with a new and better product. Sage just dosen't
care to serve the lower end of the market very well. As far as I am concerned
their only competition was the Ross click, pawl drag reel that has the
reputation of going thru springs on a regular basis. Please educate me if
anyone else is making a high quality inexpensive click paul drag reel that is
in the same class as the Redington CT. I happen to prefer that reel to my
little Hardy and it is a hell of a lot more inexpensive.

Big Dale

Big Dale


Marado (Gallatin) -- bar stock, machined, Hardy type click mechanism -
F124 for the 3 wt. model, about a $100.00

http://www.gallatinrods.com/reels.htm

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Peter Charles wrote:

Marado (Gallatin) -- bar stock, machined, Hardy type click mechanism -
F124 for the 3 wt. model, about a $100.00

This is the kind of item I was talking about (again, I have no
experience to comment on Marado). Often another manufacturer pushes
out the competition with a better or cheaper and servicable
replacement. Consider the Japanese car...

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chas

the joke was recognized.

i was extremely exhausted when i replied last night after making a stupidly
long day trip to the eastern sierras over yosemite to see a couple of rivers
i've been hearing about. ran out of time but did manage to see this little
creek thing people have mentioned in the past. uhhhhhh, starts with an
"h"... three letters. verrrrrry weedy.

the cool part of hot creek was what happened at the end after the sun
disappeared over the crest of the sierras and most had left. i was wrapping
things up and looked up for some reason and saw about 6 deer on the well-
worn trail about 30 feet from me, just watching me. they then moved into
the creek and started foraging. the sun was gone, the soft pastels to the
eastern sky were a beautiful pink and i was the only one there. me and the
deer in that little canyon. i've GOT to get my olympus stylus fixed or buy
one of those new-fangled small digital cameras.

eric zamora
fresno, ca.


From: Chas Wade


you mentioned the american way. what happens if nobody buys up the
discontinued models? landfill? just arguing for argument's sake.

I was making a joke with that comment. There's no danger in the reels
showing up in the landfill too soon. Plenty of cheapskates are out
there to snap up the bargains, and they won't throw them away
regardless of their utility.

On a more serious note, let me add that I'm not dissing reddington, I
have no experience with them, this was just a bit of fun with the gear
whore part of each of us.

Chas

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Ken wrote:
... Redington CT. I happen to prefer that reel to my
little Hardy and it is a hell of a lot more inexpensive.

Really ? Why ?


The Redington is a higher quality reel than any of the Hardy's that I own.
Also, I prefer that the reel foot fit the reel seat on the rods.

The quality control of each of the Hardy reels I own is lacking.
Big Dale

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Peter wrote:Marado (Gallatin) -- bar stock, machined, Hardy type click
mechanism -
F124 for the 3 wt. model, about a $100.00


Thanks Peter. I did not know about that reel. I will check them out.

Big Dale