odd behaviour
 

As anyone else ever had a 3 lb bream tail walk.

I hooked a few bream today to about 2 lb and they behaved as expected but
close to the end of my day, about 2pm, I had a take and this bream just
erupted on the surface and kept on tail walking like you would expect a John
Wilson pike too.

The whole fight was like it was on steroids. The only other possible thing
was that there was a constant surface disturbance where small fish were
breaking surface as if a shoal of perch were hitting them, but this was a
good 30 foot away and, later, did extend away from where I was fishing into
a little bay so it could have been pike I am thinking but would that make a
sizable bream behave like a minnow in a piranha pool.


--
Gandalf

odd behaviour
 

Most certainly, i have known even bream of around 3 to 4 lb to try and stay
topside if a large pike is under, you may be surprised to know that a 3lb
bream will run from even a small 3lb pike.

But, doesnt it look real cool when they tail it :)

"Gandalf" wrote in message
...
As anyone else ever had a 3 lb bream tail walk.

I hooked a few bream today to about 2 lb and they behaved as expected but
close to the end of my day, about 2pm, I had a take and this bream just
erupted on the surface and kept on tail walking like you would expect a
John Wilson pike too.

The whole fight was like it was on steroids. The only other possible thing
was that there was a constant surface disturbance where small fish were
breaking surface as if a shoal of perch were hitting them, but this was a
good 30 foot away and, later, did extend away from where I was fishing
into a little bay so it could have been pike I am thinking but would that
make a sizable bream behave like a minnow in a piranha pool.


--
Gandalf

odd behaviour
 

"But, doesn't it look real cool when they tail it :)"

Once I had come out of shock I have to admit it was a little interesting,
all the stupid things went through the mind like a cross trout bream sort of
slim and spots really.(;-)

Needless to say but I am going again on Monday.VBG

--
Gandalf

"The Midnight Rider" wrote in message
...
Most certainly, i have known even bream of around 3 to 4 lb to try and
stay topside if a large pike is under, you may be surprised to know that a
3lb bream will run from even a small 3lb pike.

But, doesnt it look real cool when they tail it :)

"Gandalf" wrote in message
...
As anyone else ever had a 3 lb bream tail walk.

I hooked a few bream today to about 2 lb and they behaved as expected but
close to the end of my day, about 2pm, I had a take and this bream just
erupted on the surface and kept on tail walking like you would expect a
John Wilson pike too.

The whole fight was like it was on steroids. The only other possible
thing was that there was a constant surface disturbance where small fish
were breaking surface as if a shoal of perch were hitting them, but this
was a good 30 foot away and, later, did extend away from where I was
fishing into a little bay so it could have been pike I am thinking but
would that make a sizable bream behave like a minnow in a piranha pool.


--
Gandalf

odd behaviour
 

Good hunting Gandalf, try for a ballet dancer next? :{)

"Gandalf" wrote in message
...
"But, doesn't it look real cool when they tail it :)"

Once I had come out of shock I have to admit it was a little interesting,
all the stupid things went through the mind like a cross trout bream sort
of slim and spots really.(;-)

Needless to say but I am going again on Monday.VBG

--
Gandalf

"The Midnight Rider" wrote in message
...
Most certainly, i have known even bream of around 3 to 4 lb to try and
stay topside if a large pike is under, you may be surprised to know that
a 3lb bream will run from even a small 3lb pike.

But, doesnt it look real cool when they tail it :)

"Gandalf" wrote in message
...
As anyone else ever had a 3 lb bream tail walk.

I hooked a few bream today to about 2 lb and they behaved as expected
but close to the end of my day, about 2pm, I had a take and this bream
just erupted on the surface and kept on tail walking like you would
expect a John Wilson pike too.

The whole fight was like it was on steroids. The only other possible
thing was that there was a constant surface disturbance where small fish
were breaking surface as if a shoal of perch were hitting them, but this
was a good 30 foot away and, later, did extend away from where I was
fishing into a little bay so it could have been pike I am thinking but
would that make a sizable bream behave like a minnow in a piranha pool.


--
Gandalf

odd behaviour
 

Hi Midnight.

"try for a ballet dancer next? :{)"

But that would be far tutus easy, you might say.(;-) Better that than a cod
piece me thinks, now that thought could put you off fish and chips for life.

Monday got trod on by family so it will now be Thursday and Friday, they
will learn there is a cost to taking my fishing days away.VBG

Being a man of bream experience can I ask if this makes sense. I started
with a paternoster(SP) set up with feed being a short 4 inch and the hook
length a simple 8 inches. This brought a lot of gentle bites and fish
ranging from 1/2 lb to just over the lb but when I went to a short flying
hook on a running feeder rig I got the bigger ones. Is this usual for bream
or was it just a mater of luck as it happened with the larger fish moving in
later when I changed technique slightly. I changed because I though the
shallow swim ( about 6 foot ) allowed the hook length to be mauled around
before registering on the quiver tip, does that make sense as a rule.

Just come back to fishing so need to relearn a few things as my break was
down to an illness that has resulted in a bit of lost memory.

--
Gandalf

"The Midnight Rider" wrote in message
...
Good hunting Gandalf, try for a ballet dancer next? :{)

"Gandalf" wrote in message
...
"But, doesn't it look real cool when they tail it :)"

Once I had come out of shock I have to admit it was a little interesting,
all the stupid things went through the mind like a cross trout bream sort
of slim and spots really.(;-)

Needless to say but I am going again on Monday.VBG

--
Gandalf

"The Midnight Rider" wrote in message
...
Most certainly, i have known even bream of around 3 to 4 lb to try and
stay topside if a large pike is under, you may be surprised to know that
a 3lb bream will run from even a small 3lb pike.

But, doesnt it look real cool when they tail it :)

"Gandalf" wrote in message
...
As anyone else ever had a 3 lb bream tail walk.

I hooked a few bream today to about 2 lb and they behaved as expected
but close to the end of my day, about 2pm, I had a take and this bream
just erupted on the surface and kept on tail walking like you would
expect a John Wilson pike too.

The whole fight was like it was on steroids. The only other possible
thing was that there was a constant surface disturbance where small
fish were breaking surface as if a shoal of perch were hitting them,
but this was a good 30 foot away and, later, did extend away from where
I was fishing into a little bay so it could have been pike I am
thinking but would that make a sizable bream behave like a minnow in a
piranha pool.


--
Gandalf

odd behaviour
 

Sorry to hear about the illness, hope things get better with time. But
fishing is like riding a bike, you dont forget, you just get more wobbly :{)


In my experience (for what its worth), it sounds like your going in the
right direction.
A running trace tends to outdo the paternoster, in the sense that as you
know bream
can be very timid at times, being able to play a while overcomes the fear
and once
feeling safer they tend to start a slow run for the next meal. One thing
does jump
to mind however, on the paternoster the bites can be better read, in this
case a slightly
smaller hook, embedded rather than on the show, can often be crafty enough
to
fool the larger fish, also try extending to 6 and 10 as opposed to 4 and 8
to give
them a little more scope to start the run. Also, the bites can sometimes be
easier to connect if
you lower the angle of the rod slightly, the reaction time remains the same
but your movement to
connect ratio improves. (works for me because im lazy :{) )


Hope this helps, happy hunting sir.


"Gandalf" wrote in message
...
Hi Midnight.

"try for a ballet dancer next? :{)"

But that would be far tutus easy, you might say.(;-) Better that than a
cod piece me thinks, now that thought could put you off fish and chips for
life.

Monday got trod on by family so it will now be Thursday and Friday, they
will learn there is a cost to taking my fishing days away.VBG

Being a man of bream experience can I ask if this makes sense. I started
with a paternoster(SP) set up with feed being a short 4 inch and the hook
length a simple 8 inches. This brought a lot of gentle bites and fish
ranging from 1/2 lb to just over the lb but when I went to a short flying
hook on a running feeder rig I got the bigger ones. Is this usual for
bream or was it just a mater of luck as it happened with the larger fish
moving in later when I changed technique slightly. I changed because I
though the shallow swim ( about 6 foot ) allowed the hook length to be
mauled around before registering on the quiver tip, does that make sense
as a rule.

Just come back to fishing so need to relearn a few things as my break was
down to an illness that has resulted in a bit of lost memory.

--
Gandalf

"The Midnight Rider" wrote in message
...
Good hunting Gandalf, try for a ballet dancer next? :{)

"Gandalf" wrote in message
...
"But, doesn't it look real cool when they tail it :)"

Once I had come out of shock I have to admit it was a little
interesting, all the stupid things went through the mind like a cross
trout bream sort of slim and spots really.(;-)

Needless to say but I am going again on Monday.VBG

--
Gandalf

"The Midnight Rider" wrote in message
...
Most certainly, i have known even bream of around 3 to 4 lb to try and
stay topside if a large pike is under, you may be surprised to know
that a 3lb bream will run from even a small 3lb pike.

But, doesnt it look real cool when they tail it :)

"Gandalf" wrote in message
...
As anyone else ever had a 3 lb bream tail walk.

I hooked a few bream today to about 2 lb and they behaved as expected
but close to the end of my day, about 2pm, I had a take and this bream
just erupted on the surface and kept on tail walking like you would
expect a John Wilson pike too.

The whole fight was like it was on steroids. The only other possible
thing was that there was a constant surface disturbance where small
fish were breaking surface as if a shoal of perch were hitting them,
but this was a good 30 foot away and, later, did extend away from
where I was fishing into a little bay so it could have been pike I am
thinking but would that make a sizable bream behave like a minnow in a
piranha pool.


--
Gandalf

odd behaviour
 

Thank you, I will actually have it for life now but as with everything, you
learn to live around it.

Saw some sticklebacks today in a very nice little stream in a country house
park at Lydiard, just outside Swindon. Probably not the best place to try
and catch them though.

Going after the bream on Monday after all, my grandsons last chance for a
weekday trip as he starts full time school on Tuesday. We did a deal, he
mentioned he wanted to go and I promised him a nice bream on his rod, if
only he knew the odds on my end of the deal.VBG

Many thanks for the advice. I did remember to keep the tip low but did it to
stop eye strain as there was a flat and dark piece of water I could use as
backdrop to the quiver.

I did not that letting the small taps pass led to more connections, I had
assumed line bits with the angle of the line.

I will try increasing the lengths of hook and feeder line next time I use
paternoster, the lengths you mention are about what I would normally use but
mainly I used it to present bread flake so needed a little extra length due
to the movement of the bread flake on first entry in the water ( semi
floating ) for moderate carp way back.

--
Gandalf


"The Midnight Rider" wrote in message
...
Sorry to hear about the illness, hope things get better with time. But
fishing is like riding a bike, you dont forget, you just get more wobbly
:{)


In my experience (for what its worth), it sounds like your going in the
right direction.
A running trace tends to outdo the paternoster, in the sense that as you
know bream
can be very timid at times, being able to play a while overcomes the fear
and once
feeling safer they tend to start a slow run for the next meal. One thing
does jump
to mind however, on the paternoster the bites can be better read, in this
case a slightly
smaller hook, embedded rather than on the show, can often be crafty enough
to
fool the larger fish, also try extending to 6 and 10 as opposed to 4 and 8
to give
them a little more scope to start the run. Also, the bites can sometimes
be easier to connect if
you lower the angle of the rod slightly, the reaction time remains the
same but your movement to
connect ratio improves. (works for me because im lazy :{) )


Hope this helps, happy hunting sir.

odd behaviour
 

Two more tail walking bream yesterday, talked to a couple of locals and it
seems it is quiet common. Had about 15 fish, all over 1lb and the best was
close to 5lbs so a nice days pleasure fishing. Best of all was I managed to
catch one for my 4 y.o. grandson to play and land. He was well chuffed.

I did use a longer flying hook length and it did seem better on the day. I
did get smashed up twice and I think it was most probably carp.

Next target species will be tench or crucian carp as I am told of a "never
fails" swim and we all know how good they are usually.

--
Gandalf


"The Midnight Rider" wrote in message
...
Sorry to hear about the illness, hope things get better with time. But
fishing is like riding a bike, you dont forget, you just get more wobbly
:{)

odd behaviour
 

Great news, glad the young'un was chuffed.
Went this evening for my last hour at the local pool. met a nice gent who
has been fishing for around 50 years, poor chap was suffering a blanking day
since 2.30 this afternoon, so i made his day by using the same bait in the
next peg (5 feet away) to land a 7lb carp on my pole in the first 15
minutes. I feel so guilty, but what can you do? hehe.
Good luck with the carping, but the 'never fails' swims can be changeable,
take meat and paste (preferable trout type) as backup, trust me, the old
'trout paste' is a killer for carping. i find the light brown standard fishy
paste mixed with an egg then pinched on a 14 hook works for me every time
when the meat goes slow. (or if you feel inclined the normal fishy 'ready
mixed' paste in a pot .)

"Gandalf" wrote in message
...
Two more tail walking bream yesterday, talked to a couple of locals and it
seems it is quiet common. Had about 15 fish, all over 1lb and the best was
close to 5lbs so a nice days pleasure fishing. Best of all was I managed
to catch one for my 4 y.o. grandson to play and land. He was well chuffed.

I did use a longer flying hook length and it did seem better on the day. I
did get smashed up twice and I think it was most probably carp.

Next target species will be tench or crucian carp as I am told of a "never
fails" swim and we all know how good they are usually.

--
Gandalf


"The Midnight Rider" wrote in message
...
Sorry to hear about the illness, hope things get better with time. But
fishing is like riding a bike, you dont forget, you just get more wobbly
:{)

odd behaviour
 

A sick question for you Midnight, how the hell do you get rid of bream slime
from your landing net. I blasted mine with the hose after rinsing it in hot
water and it is still there. I am now trying to dry it off before I got
tomorrow.

Don't knock the 50 years experience either, I started fishing 40 years ago.
There was a 20 year gap in the middle of it though.VBG I so think my catch
upset the locals as well, they were pulling a load of small silver fish and
I could hear the chatter every time the rod bent over.

Off out to give it a go tomorrow and I have to take the wife next week, like
an idiot I offered to take her out for our anniversary and joked that it was
a fishing picnic. She said yes.(;-) Mind you the new swim is only 200 yards
from a pub so I can leave her with the rods and go for a pint.

--
Gandalf

"The Midnight Rider" wrote in message
...
Great news, glad the young'un was chuffed.
Went this evening for my last hour at the local pool. met a nice gent who
has been fishing for around 50 years, poor chap was suffering a blanking
day since 2.30 this afternoon, so i made his day by using the same bait in
the next peg (5 feet away) to land a 7lb carp on my pole in the first 15
minutes. I feel so guilty, but what can you do? hehe.
Good luck with the carping, but the 'never fails' swims can be changeable,
take meat and paste (preferable trout type) as backup, trust me, the old
'trout paste' is a killer for carping. i find the light brown standard
fishy paste mixed with an egg then pinched on a 14 hook works for me every
time when the meat goes slow. (or if you feel inclined the normal fishy
'ready mixed' paste in a pot .)

"Gandalf" wrote in message
...
Two more tail walking bream yesterday, talked to a couple of locals and
it seems it is quiet common. Had about 15 fish, all over 1lb and the best
was close to 5lbs so a nice days pleasure fishing. Best of all was I
managed to catch one for my 4 y.o. grandson to play and land. He was well
chuffed.

I did use a longer flying hook length and it did seem better on the day.
I did get smashed up twice and I think it was most probably carp.

Next target species will be tench or crucian carp as I am told of a
"never fails" swim and we all know how good they are usually.

--
Gandalf


"The Midnight Rider" wrote in message
...
Sorry to hear about the illness, hope things get better with time. But
fishing is like riding a bike, you dont forget, you just get more wobbly
:{)

odd behaviour
 

In article , Gandalf
wrote:
A sick question for you Midnight, how the hell do you get rid of bream slime
from your landing net. I blasted mine with the hose after rinsing it in hot
water and it is still there. I am now trying to dry it off before I got
tomorrow.

Soak in biological washing powder for worst cases. then rinse with *hot*
water.

Cheerio,

--
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odd behaviour
 

Many thanks Derek, that stuff defies nature I think.

--
Gandalf


"Derek Moody" wrote in message
...
In article , Gandalf
wrote:
A sick question for you Midnight, how the hell do you get rid of bream
slime
from your landing net. I blasted mine with the hose after rinsing it in
hot
water and it is still there. I am now trying to dry it off before I got
tomorrow.

Soak in biological washing powder for worst cases. then rinse with *hot*
water.

Cheerio,

--
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Writing: http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/
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odd behaviour
 

yes, tnx Derek, often wondered myself, i usualy just end up rubbing the heck
out of it between my hands when it has dried up.

"Gandalf" wrote in message
...
Many thanks Derek, that stuff defies nature I think.

--
Gandalf


"Derek Moody" wrote in message
...
In article , Gandalf
wrote:
A sick question for you Midnight, how the hell do you get rid of bream
slime
from your landing net. I blasted mine with the hose after rinsing it in
hot
water and it is still there. I am now trying to dry it off before I got
tomorrow.

Soak in biological washing powder for worst cases. then rinse with *hot*
water.

Cheerio,

--
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Writing: http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/
uk.rec.fishing.game Badge Page:
http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/

odd behaviour
 

Just to add that when doing this do not let the wife read it and then ask
her how you set the washing machine for "Hot Rinse". Seems she is OK with
maggots in the fridge but bream snot in the washer is not allowed.VBG

Failed to go fishing today, had a minor relapse with the illness so I am
hoping I am fit and able tomorrow.

--
Gandalf


"Derek Moody" wrote in message
...
In article , Gandalf
wrote:
A sick question for you Midnight, how the hell do you get rid of bream
slime
from your landing net. I blasted mine with the hose after rinsing it in
hot
water and it is still there. I am now trying to dry it off before I got
tomorrow.

Soak in biological washing powder for worst cases. then rinse with *hot*
water.

Cheerio,

--
Fishing: http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/
Writing: http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/
uk.rec.fishing.game Badge Page:
http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/

odd behaviour
 

In article , Gandalf
wrote:
Just to add that when doing this do not let the wife read it and then ask
her how you set the washing machine for "Hot Rinse". Seems she is OK with
maggots in the fridge but bream snot in the washer is not allowed.VBG

's OK. A good long soak is almost as good. No need to put it in the washing
machine, soak it in the bath for 48 hours instead.

Er,

Just don't give her my name - OK?

I've used this method for cleaning nets before a loooong (2 days in a hot
car) trip to distant waters when the pong might have built up to commentable
levels.

Failed to go fishing today, had a minor relapse with the illness so I am
hoping I am fit and able tomorrow.

Funny. Others have to contract an 'illness' to get time to go during the
week...

If you're having physiotherapy ask for a subsiduary referral to a sports
specialist who will be a little surprised to be consulted by an angler but
who will be able to work out the best way for you to distribute forces.

Cheerio,

--
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Writing: http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/
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http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/

odd behaviour
 

Hi Derek,

The funny side of that is when I asked the wife for a large bucket and I
told her I wanted to soak my landing net she suggested the bath and I
gagged.VBG

I have CFS ( Chronic Fatigue Syndrome ) which effectively means that the
brain messaging systems is totally stuffed. Basically it is being told that
I have run a marathon using my arms when all I have really done is think
about standing up. It is a strange and stupid illness that the doctors know
very little about so most times it is a case of FOALWI ( the last bit is And
Live With It, I am sure you can work out the first part VBG ). Prior to
getting it I was a work-a-holic and had run my own systems IT business, now
I am a useless house husband who dotes on his grandchildren and goes fishing
when he can

Basically I have to do things when the body allows, bit like marriage but
this way it is my body that is telling me to sod off and sit down. No physio
for me, if I am going to have to suffer the pain of exerting myself then it
has to have some real gain like fishing or a good woman ( well bad woman
then ).

Had it for nearly 20 years and known what it was for 15 so I have it in hand
about as best as I can hence the new fishing trips. Any physical or mental
exercise causes a relapse of sorts and that means muscle pain at high
levels. Being an angler you know as well as I do that excessive pain against
a fishing trip means we suffer but enjoy a day by water trying to catch
fish, If anglers did not understand that then none of them would get
married.VBG

Wish me luck tomorrow as I turn 52 and will spend it fishing for the first
time in my later life.

Notice how the original Subject line also fits my illness as well as bream
tail walking.(;-)

--
Gandalf

"Derek Moody" wrote in message
...
In article , Gandalf
wrote:
Just to add that when doing this do not let the wife read it and then ask
her how you set the washing machine for "Hot Rinse". Seems she is OK with
maggots in the fridge but bream snot in the washer is not allowed.VBG

's OK. A good long soak is almost as good. No need to put it in the
washing
machine, soak it in the bath for 48 hours instead.

Er,

Just don't give her my name - OK?

I've used this method for cleaning nets before a loooong (2 days in a hot
car) trip to distant waters when the pong might have built up to
commentable
levels.

Failed to go fishing today, had a minor relapse with the illness so I am
hoping I am fit and able tomorrow.

Funny. Others have to contract an 'illness' to get time to go during the
week...

If you're having physiotherapy ask for a subsiduary referral to a sports
specialist who will be a little surprised to be consulted by an angler but
who will be able to work out the best way for you to distribute forces.

Cheerio,

--
Fishing: http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/
Writing: http://www.author.casterbridge.net/derek-moody/
uk.rec.fishing.game Badge Page:
http://www.fishing.casterbridge.net/urfg/

odd behaviour
 

All the best for '52' gandalf old boy, and hope you get a good session for
the day.
And Derek, message from the wife "*&^%$£ you *&^%$£ dare mr." hehe.
p.s. my first blank today for many weeks, the wife is still laughing
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. she says its justice for the other night.

"Gandalf" wrote in message
...
Hi Derek,

The funny side of that is when I asked the wife for a large bucket and I
told her I wanted to soak my landing net she suggested the bath and I
gagged.VBG

I have CFS ( Chronic Fatigue Syndrome ) which effectively means that the
brain messaging systems is totally stuffed. Basically it is being told
that I have run a marathon using my arms when all I have really done is
think about standing up. It is a strange and stupid illness that the
doctors know very little about so most times it is a case of FOALWI ( the
last bit is And Live With It, I am sure you can work out the first part
VBG ). Prior to getting it I was a work-a-holic and had run my own
systems IT business, now I am a useless house husband who dotes on his
grandchildren and goes fishing when he can

Basically I have to do things when the body allows, bit like marriage but
this way it is my body that is telling me to sod off and sit down. No
physio for me, if I am going to have to suffer the pain of exerting myself
then it has to have some real gain like fishing or a good woman ( well bad
woman then ).

Had it for nearly 20 years and known what it was for 15 so I have it in
hand about as best as I can hence the new fishing trips. Any physical or
mental exercise causes a relapse of sorts and that means muscle pain at
high levels. Being an angler you know as well as I do that excessive pain
against a fishing trip means we suffer but enjoy a day by water trying to
catch fish, If anglers did not understand that then none of them would get
married.VBG

Wish me luck tomorrow as I turn 52 and will spend it fishing for the first
time in my later life.

Notice how the original Subject line also fits my illness as well as bream
tail walking.(;-)

--
Gandalf

"Derek Moody" wrote in message
...
In article , Gandalf
wrote:
Just to add that when doing this do not let the wife read it and then
ask
her how you set the washing machine for "Hot Rinse". Seems she is OK
with
maggots in the fridge but bream snot in the washer is not allowed.VBG

's OK. A good long soak is almost as good. No need to put it in the
washing
machine, soak it in the bath for 48 hours instead.

Er,

Just don't give her my name - OK?

I've used this method for cleaning nets before a loooong (2 days in a hot
car) trip to distant waters when the pong might have built up to
commentable
levels.

Failed to go fishing today, had a minor relapse with the illness so I am
hoping I am fit and able tomorrow.

Funny. Others have to contract an 'illness' to get time to go during the
week...

If you're having physiotherapy ask for a subsiduary referral to a sports
specialist who will be a little surprised to be consulted by an angler
but
who will be able to work out the best way for you to distribute forces.

Cheerio,

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In article , Gandalf
wrote:

I have CFS ( Chronic Fatigue Syndrome ) which effectively means that the
brain messaging systems is totally stuffed. Basically it is being told that

Ah one of those it-hurts-when-you-do-it-but-if-you-don't-it'll-hurt-more things iIuic :-(

Basically I have to do things when the body allows, bit like marriage but
this way it is my body that is telling me to sod off and sit down. No physio
for me, if I am going to have to suffer the pain of exerting myself then it

Physio's don't just provide exercise, they can also advise on how to
minimise stresses if you *have* to do something that's gonna hurt.
Sportsmen and musicians, for eg., are going to go on using the
muscles/joints they damaged so seek advice on how to do so with minimum
impact.

Had it for nearly 20 years and known what it was for 15 so I have it in hand

Urgh.

Wish me luck tomorrow as I turn 52 and will spend it fishing for the first
time in my later life.

You're spending it fishing, that's pretty good luck already. Many happy
wossnames.

Notice how the original Subject line also fits my illness as well as bream
tail walking.(;-)

Perhaps all usenet posts should have the subject line 'Wandering thread'

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Many thanks Midnight, I am guessing you are a younger man and firing blanks
could have more than one meaning.Sometimes I wish I had been.VBG

Total washout, after fighting to this swim I had only seen from the other
side of the lake I found out it was over grown with trees on the sides and
above. I lost two hooks before I even got a bait in the water and the swim
was an even 3 foot deep in all the places I could cast using a 12 foot match
rod. After an hour I moved but the swim that was second choice would have
meant fishing in close as a swim on the adjacent bank was occupied so it
would be unfair to cramp his style with many swims open so I went round the
corner and only had a few small roach, gudgeon and bream. The "no blank"
record holds good though. The guy who had the swim I left free had an 18.5
lb carp and I was so damn pleased for him.

Even so it was nice quiet day out.

--
Gandalf


"The Midnight Rider" wrote in message
...
All the best for '52' gandalf old boy, and hope you get a good session for
the day.
And Derek, message from the wife "*&^%$£ you *&^%$£ dare mr." hehe.
p.s. my first blank today for many weeks, the wife is still laughing
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. she says its justice for the other night.

"Gandalf" wrote in message
...
Hi Derek,

odd behaviour
 

"Derek Moody" wrote in message
...
In article , Gandalf
wrote:

I have CFS ( Chronic Fatigue Syndrome ) which effectively means that the
brain messaging systems is totally stuffed. Basically it is being told
that

Ah one of those it-hurts-when-you-do-it-but-if-you-don't-it'll-hurt-more
things iIuic :-(

And then some but the choice is to be bed bound for msot of the time and
that just is not me.


Basically I have to do things when the body allows, bit like marriage but
this way it is my body that is telling me to sod off and sit down. No
physio
for me, if I am going to have to suffer the pain of exerting myself then
it

Physio's don't just provide exercise, they can also advise on how to
minimise stresses if you *have* to do something that's gonna hurt.
Sportsmen and musicians, for eg., are going to go on using the
muscles/joints they damaged so seek advice on how to do so with minimum
impact.


Used to be a motorcycling rugby player, not at the same time of course
although that would have been interesting, so I alerady had a few stretching
and limbering up exercises to keep things moving as they also tend to cramp
up when I do exercise. The other down side to limited acticvity is weight
gain and I was never a small framed person. Add the CFS the extra weight and
laready damnged joints from rugby and motocycling and I am very much a
hobbling wreck but I keep smiling and joking and fishing. It has been said
that with my attitude I will fight them when they nail the coffin lid down.
Morelike I am jsut too damn stupid to know when to give in.VBG

Had it for nearly 20 years and known what it was for 15 so I have it in
hand

Urgh.

Wish me luck tomorrow as I turn 52 and will spend it fishing for the
first
time in my later life.

You're spending it fishing, that's pretty good luck already. Many happy
wossnames.


Thank you kind sir. You will see the results of todays fishing in the other
post, not worth rushing though.(;-)


Gandalf

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Well, made up for the blank today, a nice 11lb'er on tens elastic and 3lb
line, through the weeds and onward, but i refused to give in and landed it
(after about 10 mins or so). All in all a nice day.
Hope your luck was equal.

"Gandalf" wrote in message
...
Many thanks Midnight, I am guessing you are a younger man and firing
blanks could have more than one meaning.Sometimes I wish I had been.VBG

Total washout, after fighting to this swim I had only seen from the other
side of the lake I found out it was over grown with trees on the sides and
above. I lost two hooks before I even got a bait in the water and the swim
was an even 3 foot deep in all the places I could cast using a 12 foot
match rod. After an hour I moved but the swim that was second choice would
have meant fishing in close as a swim on the adjacent bank was occupied so
it would be unfair to cramp his style with many swims open so I went round
the corner and only had a few small roach, gudgeon and bream. The "no
blank" record holds good though. The guy who had the swim I left free had
an 18.5 lb carp and I was so damn pleased for him.

Even so it was nice quiet day out.

--
Gandalf


"The Midnight Rider" wrote in message
...
All the best for '52' gandalf old boy, and hope you get a good session
for the day.
And Derek, message from the wife "*&^%$£ you *&^%$£ dare mr." hehe.
p.s. my first blank today for many weeks, the wife is still laughing
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. she says its justice for the other night.

"Gandalf" wrote in message
...
Hi Derek,

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Well done Midnight, the whole thing you describe is what both fascinates me
and scares me about pole fishing. I had that short spell of whip fishing a
few weeks ago and it was enjoyable for small fish but if I had hit anything
with some real fight I would have had adrenaline pouring out my ears I think
which is not a bad thing other than it seeming to give the fish a greater
than 50/50 chance with little advantage to the angler. Might be I am just
old fashioned I guess.

My next trip is Wednesday and I am taking the wife for her bi-annual trip
but not too sure how long she will last as it is supposed to be wet and
cold.

--
Gandalf

"The Midnight Rider" wrote in message
...
Well, made up for the blank today, a nice 11lb'er on tens elastic and 3lb
line, through the weeds and onward, but i refused to give in and landed it
(after about 10 mins or so). All in all a nice day.
Hope your luck was equal.

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Good luck with the wife, i know how hard it is to please them, but when the
weather is bad too, oh boy. heehee.
Bi-annual? you only take her out twice a year? sounds a perfect wife to me.
Any chance she could train mine for me? hehe.
Have a good one.

"Gandalf" wrote in message
...
Well done Midnight, the whole thing you describe is what both fascinates
me and scares me about pole fishing. I had that short spell of whip
fishing a few weeks ago and it was enjoyable for small fish but if I had
hit anything with some real fight I would have had adrenaline pouring out
my ears I think which is not a bad thing other than it seeming to give the
fish a greater than 50/50 chance with little advantage to the angler.
Might be I am just old fashioned I guess.

My next trip is Wednesday and I am taking the wife for her bi-annual trip
but not too sure how long she will last as it is supposed to be wet and
cold.

--
Gandalf

"The Midnight Rider" wrote in message
...
Well, made up for the blank today, a nice 11lb'er on tens elastic and 3lb
line, through the weeds and onward, but i refused to give in and landed
it (after about 10 mins or so). All in all a nice day.
Hope your luck was equal.

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"Bi-annual? you only take her out twice a year?"

Only if I am really unlucky.(;-) I would lend her out for training purposes
but I could not take the hate mail afterwards.

After being forced into retirement she is the breadwinner so I am the one
with the crumbs now.VBG

31 years of marriage as of today, or 4 life sentences as I like to think of
it. Just to rub it in I also get to have all three grandchildren today. You
can see why I miss work so much.(;-)

Seems tomorrow will be under the brollie as rain predicted mid morning.
Still going though.

--
Gandalf


"The Midnight Rider" wrote in message
...
Good luck with the wife, i know how hard it is to please them, but when
the weather is bad too, oh boy. heehee.
Bi-annual? you only take her out twice a year? sounds a perfect wife to
me. Any chance she could train mine for me? hehe.
Have a good one.

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"Gandalf" wrote in message
...
"Bi-annual? you only take her out twice a year?"

Only if I am really unlucky.(;-) I would lend her out for training
purposes but I could not take the hate mail afterwards.

from the other hubbies or wives? haha

After being forced into retirement she is the breadwinner so I am the one
with the crumbs now.VBG

ouch! under the thumb is same as ! i know how it feels.

31 years of marriage as of today, or 4 life sentences as I like to think
of it. Just to rub it in I also get to have all three grandchildren today.
You can see why I miss work so much.(;-)

yes, you only get 15 for murder :)


Seems tomorrow will be under the brollie as rain predicted mid morning.
Still going though.

--
Gandalf

good luck , im off to llangollen tonight for a couple of sessions after the
trout (on the local river) and bream. the canal is clear as ice so might
grab a few dace along with those bream. they are a little finicky though so
its long leads and lots of patience :))




"The Midnight Rider" wrote in message
...
Good luck with the wife, i know how hard it is to please them, but when
the weather is bad too, oh boy. heehee.
Bi-annual? you only take her out twice a year? sounds a perfect wife to
me. Any chance she could train mine for me? hehe.
Have a good one.

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"The Midnight Rider" wrote in message
...

"Gandalf" wrote in message
...
"Bi-annual? you only take her out twice a year?"

Only if I am really unlucky.(;-) I would lend her out for training
purposes but I could not take the hate mail afterwards.

from the other hubbies or wives? haha

No, her after she found the new address.VBG


After being forced into retirement she is the breadwinner so I am the one
with the crumbs now.VBG

ouch! under the thumb is same as ! i know how it feels.

No chance as I am 6 foot and she is only 4 foot 10. So more like on it.(;-)

Well it was not a bad day all in all. Did not land any really large fish but
had about 10 up to 2 lbs. Lost one thanks to my stupidity. My youngest
grandson was with me when I hit into something with a lot of weight, I
assumed it was a bream as it started off sluggish so I let him help me and
it was just at the point of getting him to hold the rod with me that this
fish went wild. If it was a bream it was huge but I am thinking big tench or
moderate carp, anyhow it slipped the hook and I lost it. All my fault.

The landing net is in the biological washing powder so thanks Derek.

The wife caught well, nothing large but lots of small roach and only
bothered me a couple of times to sort tangles or disgorge a perch or two.

The rain held off in the main but the wife nearly did a Mary Poppins with my
brollie. I had to do a runner to the nearby pub as I had urgent need of
their loo. As I reached the other side of the lake the wind got up, not
mine, so I rang the misses to tell her to take down my brollie. She mumbled
something then as I walked on she came into view. Seems the brollie had
already tried to take off and when I phoned she was fighting the brollie
with a sandwich in her mouth and the phone in her hand. I really wish I had
taken my camera round with me.

I do wish I had banked the really big though.

Not able to get back out there for 8 days now due to appointments and blood
tests,supposed to be good weather after the weekend as well.

A quick and stupid question about keep nets. I bought a keep net last year
but never even opened the packet. Took it today but was unable to use it as
it bloody floats and has no weights on the lower end. Am I missing something
here or is there a new idea about keep nets


--
Gandalf

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In message , Gandalf
writes
A quick and stupid question about keep nets. I bought a keep net last year
but never even opened the packet. Took it today but was unable to use it as
it bloody floats and has no weights on the lower end. Am I missing something
here or is there a new idea about keep nets

You'll need to add your own weight(s) to the end of the net - I use
2*4oz sea leads (basically large pear leads). In my 30 years of fishing
I've yet to buy a net that had them supplied/built in. I only normally
use a keep net when match fishing anyway, or very occasionally on the
canal in winter when roach fishing at the bottom of the near shelf as I
feel that releasing the fish straight back into a close in swim can
affect the fishing. On the canal I peg both ends of the net to the bank
to prevent it being moved about by passing boats, but you need a long
net for this to keep plenty in the water for the fish - my main
keepnet's 3 metres long.

Will
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"Gandalf" wrote in message
...

snip

The rain held off in the main but the wife nearly did a Mary Poppins with
my brollie. I had to do a runner to the nearby pub as I had urgent need of
their loo. As I reached the other side of the lake the wind got up, not
mine, so I rang the misses to tell her to take down my brollie. She
mumbled something then as I walked on she came into view. Seems the
brollie had already tried to take off and when I phoned she was fighting
the brollie with a sandwich in her mouth and the phone in her hand. I
really wish I had taken my camera round with me.

would have loved to see that hehe.


snip

A quick and stupid question about keep nets. I bought a keep net last year
but never even opened the packet. Took it today but was unable to use it
as it bloody floats and has no weights on the lower end. Am I missing
something here or is there a new idea about keep nets



keepnets are unfortunately made that way now unless you pay the big bux, i
have 2 that dont sink well
i have stitched a couple of small weights onto the opposite ends of the
bottom in order to sink them.
nothing worse than trying to land with them if the water is on the move,
more fighting than the flamin
catch hehe. if it has the straight seam on the bottom you may be able to do
same as me with a small
weight each end the seam, if its a round bottom then a single wieght in the
middle should do it, perhaps
a small 1/2 ounce ledger type weight or something like that?

odd behaviour
 

In message , The Midnight Rider
writes
A quick and stupid question about keep nets. I bought a keep net last year
but never even opened the packet. Took it today but was unable to use it
as it bloody floats and has no weights on the lower end. Am I missing
something here or is there a new idea about keep nets



keepnets are unfortunately made that way now unless you pay the big bux, i
have 2 that dont sink well
i have stitched a couple of small weights onto the opposite ends of the
bottom in order to sink them.
nothing worse than trying to land with them if the water is on the move,
more fighting than the flamin
catch hehe. if it has the straight seam on the bottom you may be able to do
same as me with a small
weight each end the seam, if its a round bottom then a single wieght in the
middle should do it, perhaps
a small 1/2 ounce ledger type weight or something like that?

You must not fish fast or tidal rivers - 1/2 oz wouldn't sink even the
line in the margins in some of the places I've fished (2-4oz feeders
needed to hold bottom), the keepnet would be acting like a windsock :-)

I like to have plenty of weight attached to the end of the keepnet - it
helps keep everything where I want it, and reduces the stress on the
fish that can be caused by the net rolling/sliding around in the current
or worse collapsing. Even on stillwaters I'd want a couple of ounces to
ensure the net stays fully extended.

Will
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It would have been a good picture and I am glad I was far enough away for
her not hear the laughter.VBG

I will get a good weight for the bottom section but I think it will have to
be a good one as the net rings seem to be very buoyant which is why, despite
the obvious stupidity of it, I wondered if it was supposed to float in some
way. Lots of minor things have changed over the years away so just wondered
what else I had missed. I am getting paranoid due to kids in fishing shops
looking at me as if to say "What do you want Granddad " then realising I am
a Granddad now.(;-)

--
Gandalf


"The Midnight Rider" wrote in message
...

"Gandalf" wrote in message
...

snip

The rain held off in the main but the wife nearly did a Mary Poppins with
my brollie. I had to do a runner to the nearby pub as I had urgent need
of their loo. As I reached the other side of the lake the wind got up,
not mine, so I rang the misses to tell her to take down my brollie. She
mumbled something then as I walked on she came into view. Seems the
brollie had already tried to take off and when I phoned she was fighting
the brollie with a sandwich in her mouth and the phone in her hand. I
really wish I had taken my camera round with me.

would have loved to see that hehe.

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Memory is not what it used to be but I think the nets I used to buy back in
the 70's had the sort of sea weights you mention in the bottom section. This
net does have two loops at the bottom so I can attach those sorts of weights
to this one. It would be long enough to attach at both ends but the swim
would not allow it as there was bushes either side.

Thanks for that Will.


--
Gandalf

"Will Wilkinson" wrote in message
...
In message , Gandalf
writes
A quick and stupid question about keep nets. I bought a keep net last year
but never even opened the packet. Took it today but was unable to use it
as
it bloody floats and has no weights on the lower end. Am I missing
something
here or is there a new idea about keep nets

You'll need to add your own weight(s) to the end of the net - I use 2*4oz
sea leads (basically large pear leads). In my 30 years of fishing I've yet
to buy a net that had them supplied/built in. I only normally use a keep
net when match fishing anyway, or very occasionally on the canal in winter
when roach fishing at the bottom of the near shelf as I feel that
releasing the fish straight back into a close in swim can affect the
fishing. On the canal I peg both ends of the net to the bank to prevent it
being moved about by passing boats, but you need a long net for this to
keep plenty in the water for the fish - my main keepnet's 3 metres long.

Will
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In article , The Midnight Rider
wrote:

"Gandalf" wrote in message
...

A quick and stupid question about keep nets. I bought a keep net last year
but never even opened the packet. Took it today but was unable to use it
as it bloody floats and has no weights on the lower end. Am I missing
something here or is there a new idea about keep nets

keepnets are unfortunately made that way now unless you pay the big bux, i
have 2 that dont sink well
i have stitched a couple of small weights onto the opposite ends of the
bottom in order to sink them.
nothing worse than trying to land with them if the water is on the move,
more fighting than the flamin
catch hehe. if it has the straight seam on the bottom you may be able to do
same as me with a small
weight each end the seam, if its a round bottom then a single wieght in the
middle should do it, perhaps
a small 1/2 ounce ledger type weight or something like that?

1/2 lb would be better. I use a sea weight but a mate uses a section of lead
pipe on a short cord which seems to sit very well.

I mean to experiment with a length of lead cored rope (commercial
skate-netting bottom-line) threaded into the net to stabalise it and add a
little stiffening. Problem - depending on which bank of the river I'm
fishing - On one bank I'll want it on one side of the net - on the other
bank, the other side - and I haven't worked out how to deal with that aspect
yet. The idea is that it holds one side of the net on the bottom and
prevents it rolling with less need to peg it out.

Cheerio,

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please forgive my stupid reply haha, i was talking of 'landing nets' not
keep nets, thanks to trying to reply whilst the wife was working heavily on
my right ear.
ooops.

"Derek Moody" wrote in message
...
In article , The Midnight Rider
wrote:

"Gandalf" wrote in message
...

A quick and stupid question about keep nets. I bought a keep net last
year
but never even opened the packet. Took it today but was unable to use
it
as it bloody floats and has no weights on the lower end. Am I missing
something here or is there a new idea about keep nets

keepnets are unfortunately made that way now unless you pay the big bux,
i
have 2 that dont sink well
i have stitched a couple of small weights onto the opposite ends of the
bottom in order to sink them.
nothing worse than trying to land with them if the water is on the move,
more fighting than the flamin
catch hehe. if it has the straight seam on the bottom you may be able to
do
same as me with a small
weight each end the seam, if its a round bottom then a single wieght in
the
middle should do it, perhaps
a small 1/2 ounce ledger type weight or something like that?

1/2 lb would be better. I use a sea weight but a mate uses a section of
lead
pipe on a short cord which seems to sit very well.

I mean to experiment with a length of lead cored rope (commercial
skate-netting bottom-line) threaded into the net to stabalise it and add a
little stiffening. Problem - depending on which bank of the river I'm
fishing - On one bank I'll want it on one side of the net - on the other
bank, the other side - and I haven't worked out how to deal with that
aspect
yet. The idea is that it holds one side of the net on the bottom and
prevents it rolling with less need to peg it out.

Cheerio,

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odd behaviour
 

In article , The Midnight Rider
wrote:
please forgive my stupid reply haha, i was talking of 'landing nets' not
keep nets, thanks to trying to reply whilst the wife was working heavily on
my right ear.

Distracted by rolling pin? We understand ;-)

Cheerio,

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I did think you were being a bit of a light weight there myself but was not
confident enough to say.VBG

It does raise the idea that they could have the rings weighted on one side
and buoyant on the other so the net would never collapse. A slight weight in
each ring would aid putting the nets out as well, might try to modify mine
if I can find something to put over the frames.

--
Gandalf


"The Midnight Rider" wrote in message
...
please forgive my stupid reply haha, i was talking of 'landing nets' not
keep nets, thanks to trying to reply whilst the wife was working heavily
on my right ear.
ooops.

"Derek Moody" wrote in message
...
In article , The Midnight Rider
wrote:

"Gandalf" wrote in message
...

A quick and stupid question about keep nets. I bought a keep net last
year
but never even opened the packet. Took it today but was unable to use
it
as it bloody floats and has no weights on the lower end. Am I missing
something here or is there a new idea about keep nets


snip

same as me with a small
weight each end the seam, if its a round bottom then a single wieght in
the
middle should do it, perhaps
a small 1/2 ounce ledger type weight or something like that?

odd behaviour
 

I am in your debt Derek, my landing net is cleaner than it has ever been now
and is getting an extra rinse in the rain as we speak. Gave it a good
rinsing in hot then cold water first mind you. I was sorely tempted to
finish in off in the washing machine but I just know the wife would find
out.

--
Gandalf

"Derek Moody" wrote in message
...
In article , The Midnight Rider
wrote:

"Gandalf" wrote in message
...

odd behaviour
 

In article , Gandalf
wrote:
I am in your debt Derek, my landing net is cleaner than it has ever been now
and is getting an extra rinse in the rain as we speak. Gave it a good
rinsing in hot then cold water first mind you. I was sorely tempted to
finish in off in the washing machine but I just know the wife would find
out.

Ok, next fabric conditioner, air dry, and tuck a sprig of lavender between
the folds before you store it in the airing cupboard...

Cheerio,

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"Derek Moody" wrote in message
...
In article , Gandalf
wrote:
I am in your debt Derek, my landing net is cleaner than it has ever been
now
and is getting an extra rinse in the rain as we speak. Gave it a good
rinsing in hot then cold water first mind you. I was sorely tempted to
finish in off in the washing machine but I just know the wife would find
out.

Ok, next fabric conditioner, air dry, and tuck a sprig of lavender between
the folds before you store it in the airing cupboard...


Yeah! but what about the landing net.VBG




--
Gandalf

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okay dont rub it in haha.

"Gandalf" wrote in message
...

"Derek Moody" wrote in message
...
In article , Gandalf
wrote:
I am in your debt Derek, my landing net is cleaner than it has ever been
now
and is getting an extra rinse in the rain as we speak. Gave it a good
rinsing in hot then cold water first mind you. I was sorely tempted to
finish in off in the washing machine but I just know the wife would find
out.

Ok, next fabric conditioner, air dry, and tuck a sprig of lavender
between
the folds before you store it in the airing cupboard...


Yeah! but what about the landing net.VBG




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Gandalf