Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.
 

I must be mad.......
Or it might be the fact that we had a good time this year.

Here goes:
I'm starting to plan for another clave in Swedish Lapland and after some
discussions with Vaughan and Jarmo plus some indications from Myron I have
come up with three alternatives.

#1. We try for a place as remote as possible. We're talking helicopter, as
the only other option would be to walk for two - three days. Usually this
would mean a cost of about US$ 300 per person and the need for tents ( +
expenses for food and permits ). This would either be the sand ridge country
(so far north that the Arctic Circle is way distant in the south), or the
upper reaches of river Laisan.

#2. We fly in and live at one of the most remote fishing camps in Sweden,
also way north of the Arctic Circle. The price would then amount to about
US$ 585 per person ( + expenses for food and permits ). This alternative is
the Miekak fishing camp.

#3. We fish an area famous for its excellent fishing and reachable by car.
There are 5 different creeks in the area. Cost? Well, fishing permits of
course and if you feel like living at a mountain resort that can be fixed
but will cost some, whilst tents are more or less free (if you own one).
Also cost for food. This alternative is the area around Saxnas village in
the municipality of Vilhelmina.

All three destinations hold trout fishing and destinations #2 - #3 also hold
Arctic Char (and #1 if we aim for the sand ridge country).
A week's permit is around US$ 30 for most destinations.

The preferred time for this clave would be the beginning of August.

It's early yet and I thought to ask what interest there might be and in what
kind of destination. Also, if there is some questions from the interested
I'll
try to answer those.

/ Roger
Daytime engineer
Lifetime flyfisherman
If you feel like it, visit http://biphome.spray.se/angler/ for info on
flyfishing in northern Sweden, Lapland

Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.
 

Roger,
You are mad and we did have a good time................

Some thoughts:
So far as I know, I'm up for any of the 3 with preferences pretty much in
the order you list them. I was thinking about a clave in the sand ridge
country this weekend. The only problem I see is that in august we might have
low water and small streams. Not really a problem of course but if you take
Harrejokk where Jarmo and I went - we had great fishing but it would have
been difficult to spread 8 or 10 guys out along that stream without
splitting into 2 or more groups, which might also work OK. There are plenty
of alternatives, such as the upper reaches of Taava atno where there are 3
streams and a few small lakes in walking distance. I have not fished there
but it would be very interesting to visit.....

The streams north of Rostujauvri (sorry I can not spell any of these names
correctly but you know where I mean) could be exciting as well. I would not
recommend dropping 8 or 10 guys on Rostaelva in august. Not enough fishing
for that group plus the others already there. We need one of the lesser know
areas and there are many other options, especially if we looked for
somewhere with a larger lake where we could also take float tubes........

I would be enthusiastic for a simpler, and cheaper, option of going to the
upper Laisan as well. Especially since I will probably go to the sand ridge
country myself anyway...........

cheers

Vaughan



"Roger Ohlund" wrote in message
...
I must be mad.......
Or it might be the fact that we had a good time this year.

Here goes:
I'm starting to plan for another clave in Swedish Lapland and after some
discussions with Vaughan and Jarmo plus some indications from Myron I have
come up with three alternatives.

#1. We try for a place as remote as possible. We're talking helicopter, as
the only other option would be to walk for two - three days. Usually this
would mean a cost of about US$ 300 per person and the need for tents ( +
expenses for food and permits ). This would either be the sand ridge
country
(so far north that the Arctic Circle is way distant in the south), or the
upper reaches of river Laisan.

#2. We fly in and live at one of the most remote fishing camps in Sweden,
also way north of the Arctic Circle. The price would then amount to about
US$ 585 per person ( + expenses for food and permits ). This alternative
is
the Miekak fishing camp.

#3. We fish an area famous for its excellent fishing and reachable by car.
There are 5 different creeks in the area. Cost? Well, fishing permits of
course and if you feel like living at a mountain resort that can be fixed
but will cost some, whilst tents are more or less free (if you own one).
Also cost for food. This alternative is the area around Saxnas village in
the municipality of Vilhelmina.

All three destinations hold trout fishing and destinations #2 - #3 also
hold
Arctic Char (and #1 if we aim for the sand ridge country).
A week's permit is around US$ 30 for most destinations.

The preferred time for this clave would be the beginning of August.

It's early yet and I thought to ask what interest there might be and in
what
kind of destination. Also, if there is some questions from the interested
I'll
try to answer those.

/ Roger
Daytime engineer
Lifetime flyfisherman
If you feel like it, visit http://biphome.spray.se/angler/ for info on
flyfishing in northern Sweden, Lapland

Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.
 

Roger I must be mad.......

Excellent, we will support you in any way we can on the path you've
chosen.

Roger #1. We try for a place as remote as possible.
Roger #2. We fly in and live at one of the most remote fishing camps
Roger in Sweden.
Roger #3. We fish an area famous for its excellent fishing and
Roger reachable by car.

The more I think of it, any of the three options feels pretty damn
good to me. All have their pros and cons, so I'm flexible. I guess
it's really up to the list of potential participants. If there are
people who would, for example, not be willing to stay in a tent, then
I'd vote for some place with a cabin (so #2 or #3).

However, I don't think I'd want to pay for both a flight and a cabin,
so if you decided to choose #2, I'd prefer staying in a tent.

In any case, I'm in regardless of what you decide. I'm also planning a
pre-clave or an after-clave trip to Norway, if anyone is interested
(trout / sea-going charr / salmon).

--
Jarmo Hurri

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"Roger Ohlund" wrote in message
...
I must be mad.......
Or it might be the fact that we had a good time this year.

Here goes:
I'm starting to plan for another clave in Swedish Lapland and after some
discussions with Vaughan and Jarmo plus some indications from Myron I have
come up with three alternatives.

#1. We try for a place as remote as possible. We're talking helicopter, as
the only other option would be to walk for two - three days. Usually this
would mean a cost of about US$ 300 per person and the need for tents ( +
expenses for food and permits ). This would either be the sand ridge
country
(so far north that the Arctic Circle is way distant in the south), or the
upper reaches of river Laisan.

#2. We fly in and live at one of the most remote fishing camps in Sweden,
also way north of the Arctic Circle. The price would then amount to about
US$ 585 per person ( + expenses for food and permits ). This alternative
is
the Miekak fishing camp.

#3. We fish an area famous for its excellent fishing and reachable by car.
There are 5 different creeks in the area. Cost? Well, fishing permits of
course and if you feel like living at a mountain resort that can be fixed
but will cost some, whilst tents are more or less free (if you own one).
Also cost for food. This alternative is the area around Saxnas village in
the municipality of Vilhelmina.

All three destinations hold trout fishing and destinations #2 - #3 also
hold
Arctic Char (and #1 if we aim for the sand ridge country).
A week's permit is around US$ 30 for most destinations.

The preferred time for this clave would be the beginning of August.

It's early yet and I thought to ask what interest there might be and in
what
kind of destination. Also, if there is some questions from the interested
I'll
try to answer those.


First thoughts: any of the above sounds good to me. As I'm flying up from
Congo, the less I need to carry (tents, sleeping bags, etc), the better;
however, I realize that using tents, etc. means there are more options of
where to go. If we went with a remote fly-in, I'd consider buying something
fairly inexpensive and leaving it with someone after the clave.

The first week in August would have to be the latest for me....I think I
have to be back in Congo on August 10. Theres a chance it might be a week
later, and if so, I'll let you know.

Char is good. Remote is good. Is there an option #4: remote fly-in to a less
expensive/exclusive lodge than Miekak? This is a big step up in cost from
last year.

--riverman

Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.
 

I would be enthusiastic for a simpler, and cheaper, option of going to the
upper Laisan as well. Especially since I will probably go to the sand
ridge
country myself anyway...........

cheers

Vaughan


Hey Vaughan (Roger, et al)
What about a trip into Suomi? I know there are great areas in Northern
Finland where there are char, trout and salmon (although the salmon permits
are expensive). I fished an area SE of Ivalo (I have to look at my maps at
home to know the name specifically, bit I think it was the headwaters of the
Kemijoki), and there were cheap cabins, a shop, and about 15 streams
accessible by foot or by car in the region. Several of the streams drained
eastward into Russia, and they had the best fishing. It might be interesting
to go there, and its not a LOT longer than a drive to northern Sweden.

--riverman

Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.
 

"riverman" wrote in message
...


I would be enthusiastic for a simpler, and cheaper, option of going to
the
upper Laisan as well. Especially since I will probably go to the sand
ridge
country myself anyway...........

cheers

Vaughan


Hey Vaughan (Roger, et al)
What about a trip into Suomi? I know there are great areas in Northern
Finland where there are char, trout and salmon (although the salmon
permits
are expensive). I fished an area SE of Ivalo (I have to look at my maps at
home to know the name specifically, bit I think it was the headwaters of
the
Kemijoki), and there were cheap cabins, a shop, and about 15 streams
accessible by foot or by car in the region. Several of the streams drained
eastward into Russia, and they had the best fishing. It might be
interesting
to go there, and its not a LOT longer than a drive to northern Sweden.


The region I remember is Tulppio. I'd go back there in a heartbeat.

--riverman

Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.
 

The region I remember is Tulppio. I'd go back there in a heartbeat.

--riverman


Could be done. Jarmo? Osmo?

Vaughan

Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.
 

"riverman" wrote in message
...

"riverman" wrote in message
...


I would be enthusiastic for a simpler, and cheaper, option of going to
the
upper Laisan as well. Especially since I will probably go to the sand
ridge
country myself anyway...........

cheers

Vaughan


Hey Vaughan (Roger, et al)
What about a trip into Suomi? I know there are great areas in Northern
Finland where there are char, trout and salmon (although the salmon
permits
are expensive). I fished an area SE of Ivalo (I have to look at my maps
at
home to know the name specifically, bit I think it was the headwaters of
the
Kemijoki), and there were cheap cabins, a shop, and about 15 streams
accessible by foot or by car in the region. Several of the streams
drained
eastward into Russia, and they had the best fishing. It might be
interesting
to go there, and its not a LOT longer than a drive to northern Sweden.


The region I remember is Tulppio. I'd go back there in a heartbeat.

--riverman


Tempting.......
This would mean a Lapland clave where I would not be clavemeister (Finnish
Lapland).

However, If Jarmo doesn't jump at the opportunity, I think I'll stay with
Swedish Lapland. It would after all simplify arranging things, at least for
me.

/Roger

Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.
 

"riverman" wrote in message
...

"Roger Ohlund" wrote in message
...
I must be mad.......
Or it might be the fact that we had a good time this year.

Here goes:
I'm starting to plan for another clave in Swedish Lapland and after some
discussions with Vaughan and Jarmo plus some indications from Myron I
have
come up with three alternatives.

#1. We try for a place as remote as possible. We're talking helicopter,
as
the only other option would be to walk for two - three days. Usually
this
would mean a cost of about US$ 300 per person and the need for tents ( +
expenses for food and permits ). This would either be the sand ridge
country
(so far north that the Arctic Circle is way distant in the south), or
the
upper reaches of river Laisan.

#2. We fly in and live at one of the most remote fishing camps in
Sweden,
also way north of the Arctic Circle. The price would then amount to
about
US$ 585 per person ( + expenses for food and permits ). This alternative
is
the Miekak fishing camp.

#3. We fish an area famous for its excellent fishing and reachable by
car.
There are 5 different creeks in the area. Cost? Well, fishing permits of
course and if you feel like living at a mountain resort that can be
fixed
but will cost some, whilst tents are more or less free (if you own one).
Also cost for food. This alternative is the area around Saxnas village
in
the municipality of Vilhelmina.

All three destinations hold trout fishing and destinations #2 - #3 also
hold
Arctic Char (and #1 if we aim for the sand ridge country).
A week's permit is around US$ 30 for most destinations.

The preferred time for this clave would be the beginning of August.

It's early yet and I thought to ask what interest there might be and in
what
kind of destination. Also, if there is some questions from the
interested
I'll
try to answer those.


First thoughts: any of the above sounds good to me. As I'm flying up from
Congo, the less I need to carry (tents, sleeping bags, etc), the better;
however, I realize that using tents, etc. means there are more options of
where to go. If we went with a remote fly-in, I'd consider buying
something
fairly inexpensive and leaving it with someone after the clave.

The first week in August would have to be the latest for me....I think I
have to be back in Congo on August 10. Theres a chance it might be a week
later, and if so, I'll let you know.

Char is good. Remote is good. Is there an option #4: remote fly-in to a
less
expensive/exclusive lodge than Miekak? This is a big step up in cost from
last year.

--riverman

There are three different lodges that I can think of, one of them even more
expensive than Miekak and the other at the same cost level.
I put this post in to find out what opinions people might have about this
years clave. In the end I have to decide one destination and I'm not likely
to satisfy each and everyones wish.
I'm constantly looking at options but have yet to find a new #4 category of
choice.
It's early yet.......

/Roger

Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.
 

"Vaughan Hurry" wrote in message
...
Roger,
You are mad and we did have a good time................

Some thoughts:
So far as I know, I'm up for any of the 3 with preferences pretty much in
the order you list them. I was thinking about a clave in the sand ridge
country this weekend. The only problem I see is that in august we might
have
low water and small streams. Not really a problem of course but if you
take
Harrejokk where Jarmo and I went - we had great fishing but it would have
been difficult to spread 8 or 10 guys out along that stream without
splitting into 2 or more groups, which might also work OK. There are
plenty
of alternatives, such as the upper reaches of Taava atno where there are 3
streams and a few small lakes in walking distance. I have not fished there
but it would be very interesting to visit.....

The streams north of Rostujauvri (sorry I can not spell any of these names
correctly but you know where I mean) could be exciting as well. I would
not
recommend dropping 8 or 10 guys on Rostaelva in august. Not enough fishing
for that group plus the others already there. We need one of the lesser
know
areas and there are many other options, especially if we looked for
somewhere with a larger lake where we could also take float tubes........

I would be enthusiastic for a simpler, and cheaper, option of going to the
upper Laisan as well. Especially since I will probably go to the sand
ridge
country myself anyway...........

cheers

Vaughan


Hmmmmm.........
You guys have a positive approach to almost all my suggestions, which of
course is helping me none ;-(
We'll see, once we get some more responses, if there's anything in there to
help with the decision.

/Roger

Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.
 

There are three different lodges that I can think of, one of them even
more
expensive than Miekak and the other at the same cost level.
I put this post in to find out what opinions people might have about this
years clave. In the end I have to decide one destination and I'm not
likely
to satisfy each and everyones wish.
I'm constantly looking at options but have yet to find a new #4 category
of
choice.
It's early yet.......

/Roger




Roger,
How about a fly-in to Kaitum with tents? Or the C&R stretch on Malån? This
is down in the forest again but?

Vaughan

Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.
 

Hmmmmm.........
You guys have a positive approach to almost all my suggestions, which of
course is helping me none ;-(
We'll see, once we get some more responses, if there's anything in there
to
help with the decision.

/Roger


OK, how about this. Only 5 star fishing lodges employing only female
guides - none over 25 or under 5'10". And only those who can cast a minimum
of 20m into the wind with a 2 wt need consider attending. Does that help
limit the field a bit? Of course, I am disqualified on all the criteria, but
anything to be helpful............:-)

Vaughan

Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.
 

Roger Ohlund wrote:

Hmmmmm.........
You guys have a positive approach to almost all my suggestions, which of
course is helping me none ;-(
We'll see, once we get some more responses, if there's anything in there to
help with the decision.

/Roger



Let me make it a tad easier for you then.. Since cost and comfort are an
issue for me, I'd go for option 3.
Chances are I'll be decorating and painting my new house by then, but if
there's any way I can make it I will be there.

--
Herman

Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.
 

"Vaughan Hurry" wrote in message
...

Roger,
How about a fly-in to Kaitum with tents? Or the C&R stretch on Malån? This
is down in the forest again but?

Vaughan


If we look at the fly in option and consider using tents as a means to cut
prices,
- Why go any place near a camp?

I know that three of my friends will probably be attending, all have
excellent tents which means that 4 more people wouldn't have to consider
bringing tents, so this would make an interesting option.

I noticed that you had an eye on the intersection of Ghorvvejokk, Ittejohka
and Tavvaeatnu. I've been there and fished for a week. Excellent grayling
water with Arctic char in the lakes, also some trout.

I'm leaning towards the Saxnas alternative, not because I feel it's the best
place, but because it is by far the easiest to reach and cheapest
alternative.

However, I'd relly like for this event to become something special. To
consider all the water far north and high up the mountains as an
alternative, and the fact that if people travel far it might become the trip
of their lifetime, is quite fascinating.

/Roger

Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.
 

"Herman Nijland" wrote in message
...

Let me make it a tad easier for you then.. Since cost and comfort are an
issue for me, I'd go for option 3.
Chances are I'll be decorating and painting my new house by then, but if
there's any way I can make it I will be there.


Consider the fact that you'll be doing a much nicer job at painting and
decorating if you go fishing for a week before.
I can see how cost can be an issue but what kind of comfort issue are we
talking here?

/Roger

Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.
 

I noticed that you had an eye on the intersection of Ghorvvejokk,
Ittejohka
and Tavvaeatnu. I've been there and fished for a week. Excellent grayling
water with Arctic char in the lakes, also some trout.


Yes, that was one of the areas that immediately came to mind and I am very
keen to try it. I have two tents so could loan someone my 1-man tent.


I'm leaning towards the Saxnas alternative, not because I feel it's the
best
place, but because it is by far the easiest to reach and cheapest
alternative.

This is also good - but if possible the fly-in would be my favoured option.

Vaughan

Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.
 

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:35:49 +0100, "Roger Ohlund"
wrote:

I'm leaning towards the Saxnas alternative, not because I feel it's the best
place, but because it is by far the easiest to reach and cheapest
alternative.

I'd really like to try and make it over next year but I can't commit
just yet, so don't let my preferences carry too much weight.

I should be home from the western US clave and any post clave side
trips by the beginning of August, so the timing is good for me. I
wouldn't mind sleeping in a tent, but would rather not have to bring
too much camping gear. Cheaper is probably better for me, too.
--
Charlie...

Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.
 

riverman What about a trip into Suomi?

The place you're talking about (river near Tulppio) is probably
Nuorttijoki. I haven't been there myself, but my friends told me that
it is a very beautiful river, and quite unlike most other Finnish
rivers in Lapland (in terms of vegetation, at least).

I was visiting a river a bit north of Nuorttijoki last June
(Suomujoki). A gorgeous river, but seemed to have surprisingly few
fish. (I was mostly hiking, but wet the line a couple of times, with
no effect.) As with Nuorttijoki, a hiking trail follows the river, and
there's quite a bit of fishing pressure. Of course there is a chance
to catch a *really* big trout (swimming up the river from Russia), but
otherwise I wouldn't really call fishing over there good. At least
when compared with what I've experienced in Sweden.

No offense to my home country, but unfortunately I think that there is
a reason why so many Finns go fishing to Sweden, but relatively few
Swedes come to Finland. That is at least my impression, I'd like to
hear Osmo's opinion on this. For some reason, the Swedes just have it
better. I'm not sure if it's just a geographical thing (number of
lakes and rivers), or what else affects it. I'm not saying that there
are no good rivers, but still...

On the other hand, if we want to do it someday, a salmon / grayling
clave in August in river Teno would probably provide world class
fishing. For some photos of this "stream", see the links with word
"Teno" on this page:

http://www.perhokalastajat.org/kalapaikat.htm

--
Jarmo Hurri

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Hej Roger
Salivating already... Of course I am interested I principle.

Option #1
Where is the sand ridge country? Give me some clues so that I can try and
locate it on the map? What river would we fish?
However you know my views about staying in tents. I would prefer an isolated
camp with cabins in case it rains hard.

#2 Miekak:would love to go there although I am told it means a lot of
walking to get to the fishing. And these chars I am longing for. Maybe not
the best value for money and I have also heard comments that there is a lot
more fishing waters in Tjuonajokk. Obviously not for the same species.

#3 all in all: I wanted to go there anyway: my preferred option but I would
strongly suggest for part of the week we take the wilderness package and the
chopper that flies us to virgin waters for a couple of days.

So for me Kulstjongarden it is!
Sorry to stir trouble, Roger, you have obviously dismissed the idea of some
heli fishing from Ammarnas?

Best Regards
Jerome

Roger Ohlund wrote in message
...
I must be mad.......
Or it might be the fact that we had a good time this year.

Here goes:
I'm starting to plan for another clave in Swedish Lapland and after some
discussions with Vaughan and Jarmo plus some indications from Myron I have
come up with three alternatives.

#1. We try for a place as remote as possible. We're talking helicopter, as
the only other option would be to walk for two - three days. Usually this
would mean a cost of about US$ 300 per person and the need for tents ( +
expenses for food and permits ). This would either be the sand ridge
country
(so far north that the Arctic Circle is way distant in the south), or the
upper reaches of river Laisan.

#2. We fly in and live at one of the most remote fishing camps in Sweden,
also way north of the Arctic Circle. The price would then amount to about
US$ 585 per person ( + expenses for food and permits ). This alternative
is
the Miekak fishing camp.

#3. We fish an area famous for its excellent fishing and reachable by car.
There are 5 different creeks in the area. Cost? Well, fishing permits of
course and if you feel like living at a mountain resort that can be fixed
but will cost some, whilst tents are more or less free (if you own one).
Also cost for food. This alternative is the area around Saxnas village in
the municipality of Vilhelmina.

All three destinations hold trout fishing and destinations #2 - #3 also
hold
Arctic Char (and #1 if we aim for the sand ridge country).
A week's permit is around US$ 30 for most destinations.

The preferred time for this clave would be the beginning of August.

It's early yet and I thought to ask what interest there might be and in
what
kind of destination. Also, if there is some questions from the interested
I'll
try to answer those.

/ Roger
Daytime engineer
Lifetime flyfisherman
If you feel like it, visit http://biphome.spray.se/angler/ for info on
flyfishing in northern Sweden, Lapland

Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.
 

"Jarmo Hurri" wrote in message ...

riverman What about a trip into Suomi?

The place you're talking about (river near Tulppio) is probably
Nuorttijoki. I haven't been there myself, but my friends told me that
it is a very beautiful river, and quite unlike most other Finnish
rivers in Lapland (in terms of vegetation, at least).

I was visiting a river a bit north of Nuorttijoki last June
(Suomujoki). A gorgeous river, but seemed to have surprisingly few
fish. (I was mostly hiking, but wet the line a couple of times, with
no effect.) As with Nuorttijoki, a hiking trail follows the river, and
there's quite a bit of fishing pressure. Of course there is a chance
to catch a *really* big trout (swimming up the river from Russia), but
otherwise I wouldn't really call fishing over there good. At least
when compared with what I've experienced in Sweden.


Jarmo,

I have never visited Nuorttijoki. But at summer 2002 we made a trip to
Suomujoki. The water was very low at that time (end of June). We were hiking
some 12 km up from Aittajarvi to the cabin of Porttikoski. We caughed small
graylings, some fullfilling the minimum size requirement, and small trout. When
walking backwards we fished some time at Porttikoski. Small trout mostly, but
my son Miikka had a nice trout hooked once. Broken leader and lost fish,
possibly 3 kilos or so.

When we came back to our car, we met two hiking guides, who told us that
we should have walked more further upstream, 15 to 20 km, to have much better
chances to get real fishing experiences.

For the next summer we are planning a trip to Naatamojoki (Nejden in Norway)
up in northeastern Finland. Means walking some 6 km minimum to reach the
river from the road to Sevettijarvi. But may be a good experience! Decent graylings,
big trout and even salmon going up from the sea.

There is also a competing offer for Swedish Clave 2004! I just heard from my friend
that he is arranging a fishing safari to Vodlozero (Vodlajarvi) in Karelia, Russia, next
August. There will be a group of spinner fishermen from Kuopio districkt participating
this trip. I am investigating the chances for flyfishing the rivers around the lake.
There is a national park around this lake, but the fishing is allowed.

Some links:
www.sll.fi/mpe/vodla/VodlaHome.html
http://www.onego.ru/win/vodlozero/

When I get more information, I let you know!

OsmoJ

Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.
 

Roger Ohlund wrote:
"Herman Nijland" wrote in message
...

Let me make it a tad easier for you then.. Since cost and comfort are an
issue for me, I'd go for option 3.
Chances are I'll be decorating and painting my new house by then, but if
there's any way I can make it I will be there.



Consider the fact that you'll be doing a much nicer job at painting and
decorating if you go fishing for a week before.
I can see how cost can be an issue but what kind of comfort issue are we
talking here?

/Roger



I'll try that excuse on my wife :-)

Ah, comfort.. I think it is easier to explain what comfort is not, for
me of course :-). In short - comfort is not continuously being eaten
alive by bugs. Whenever I hear the words 'north Sweden' and 'August' in
one sentence, I see huge swarms of tiny, hungry knuts. I hope I'm wrong.
Plus, I like camping, but when I can get a cabin on a fishing trip I
definitely take it. Trips like this are real treats for me, and I like
to experience my treats to the fullest. A chair to sit on and a table to
put my drink make a difference.
While we're on the subject, a sauna and a post-fishing massage by a
voluptuous she-Swede wouldn't hurt either g.

--
Herman, and maybe a pre-fishing massage?

Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.
 

Comfort as in "my back won't like sleeping on the hard floor for one week"
whislt the intensive fishing is usually enough to provide a few sore limbs.
Recuperating is quite crucial after 15h fishing a day at odd times.
However I have to say that staying in a remote place is really what I am
after and if the package appeals and tents is the group consensus I will
probably end up going along. Just for the fun of meeting you guys.

Regarding cost: in absolute terms I can afford all 3 options but a drive
from Umea is the most sensible with potentially a helo flight for the final
leg of the journey...rather than a 1st flight to Stockholm + internal flight
+ transfer.
Saxnas might be easier to get to.

If the group is large, fishing space is critical as "combat fishing" is the
last thing in my mind. For me it is about sharing some experiences with a
group but also enjoying the solitude in stunning scenery.
Anymore for anymore?
Jerome


Roger Ohlund wrote in message
...

"Herman Nijland" wrote in message
...

Let me make it a tad easier for you then.. Since cost and comfort are an
issue for me, I'd go for option 3.
Chances are I'll be decorating and painting my new house by then, but if
there's any way I can make it I will be there.


Consider the fact that you'll be doing a much nicer job at painting and
decorating if you go fishing for a week before.
I can see how cost can be an issue but what kind of comfort issue are we
talking here?

/Roger

Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.
 

The Leaping Frog wrote:

Comfort as in "my back won't like sleeping on the hard floor for one week"
whislt the intensive fishing is usually enough to provide a few sore limbs.
Recuperating is quite crucial after 15h fishing a day at odd times.
However I have to say that staying in a remote place is really what I am
after and if the package appeals and tents is the group consensus I will
probably end up going along. Just for the fun of meeting you guys.

That's it, exactly.
--
Herman

Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.
 

Thanks Herman, I nearly felt like an old man saying that.

Jerome
Herman Nijland wrote in message
...
The Leaping Frog wrote:

Comfort as in "my back won't like sleeping on the hard floor for one
week"
whislt the intensive fishing is usually enough to provide a few sore
limbs.
Recuperating is quite crucial after 15h fishing a day at odd times.
However I have to say that staying in a remote place is really what I am
after and if the package appeals and tents is the group consensus I will
probably end up going along. Just for the fun of meeting you guys.

That's it, exactly.
--
Herman

Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.
 

HA ha, i think I know where you mean by sand ridge country: Råstojaure?

The guide we fished with this year in Malung was quite fond of this area..
Jerome
Roger Ohlund wrote in message
...
I must be mad.......
Or it might be the fact that we had a good time this year.

Here goes:
I'm starting to plan for another clave in Swedish Lapland and after some
discussions with Vaughan and Jarmo plus some indications from Myron I have
come up with three alternatives.

#1. We try for a place as remote as possible. We're talking helicopter, as
the only other option would be to walk for two - three days. Usually this
would mean a cost of about US$ 300 per person and the need for tents ( +
expenses for food and permits ). This would either be the sand ridge
country
(so far north that the Arctic Circle is way distant in the south), or the
upper reaches of river Laisan.

#2. We fly in and live at one of the most remote fishing camps in Sweden,
also way north of the Arctic Circle. The price would then amount to about
US$ 585 per person ( + expenses for food and permits ). This alternative
is
the Miekak fishing camp.

#3. We fish an area famous for its excellent fishing and reachable by car.
There are 5 different creeks in the area. Cost? Well, fishing permits of
course and if you feel like living at a mountain resort that can be fixed
but will cost some, whilst tents are more or less free (if you own one).
Also cost for food. This alternative is the area around Saxnas village in
the municipality of Vilhelmina.

All three destinations hold trout fishing and destinations #2 - #3 also
hold
Arctic Char (and #1 if we aim for the sand ridge country).
A week's permit is around US$ 30 for most destinations.

The preferred time for this clave would be the beginning of August.

It's early yet and I thought to ask what interest there might be and in
what
kind of destination. Also, if there is some questions from the interested
I'll
try to answer those.

/ Roger
Daytime engineer
Lifetime flyfisherman
If you feel like it, visit http://biphome.spray.se/angler/ for info on
flyfishing in northern Sweden, Lapland

Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.
 

For us southerners....i.e. folks that far removed from the arctic circle,
the extended daylight could be a problem.

Around these parts, when it gets to dark see, you are usually done drinking
because you can't see anyhow.

How would one know when to put the cork in the jug? That far north at that
time of the year a fellow like me wouldn't get any sleep at all....could be
dangerous....

john ....I've always wanted to be buried next to a wooly mammoth...

"Roger Ohlund" wrote in message
...
I must be mad.......
Or it might be the fact that we had a good time this year.

Here goes:
I'm starting to plan for another clave in Swedish Lapland and after some
discussions with Vaughan and Jarmo plus some indications from Myron I have
come up with three alternatives.

#1. We try for a place as remote as possible. We're talking helicopter, as
the only other option would be to walk for two - three days. Usually this
would mean a cost of about US$ 300 per person and the need for tents ( +
expenses for food and permits ). This would either be the sand ridge
country
(so far north that the Arctic Circle is way distant in the south), or the
upper reaches of river Laisan.

#2. We fly in and live at one of the most remote fishing camps in Sweden,
also way north of the Arctic Circle. The price would then amount to about
US$ 585 per person ( + expenses for food and permits ). This alternative
is
the Miekak fishing camp.

#3. We fish an area famous for its excellent fishing and reachable by car.
There are 5 different creeks in the area. Cost? Well, fishing permits of
course and if you feel like living at a mountain resort that can be fixed
but will cost some, whilst tents are more or less free (if you own one).
Also cost for food. This alternative is the area around Saxnas village in
the municipality of Vilhelmina.

All three destinations hold trout fishing and destinations #2 - #3 also
hold
Arctic Char (and #1 if we aim for the sand ridge country).
A week's permit is around US$ 30 for most destinations.

The preferred time for this clave would be the beginning of August.

It's early yet and I thought to ask what interest there might be and in
what
kind of destination. Also, if there is some questions from the interested
I'll
try to answer those.

/ Roger
Daytime engineer
Lifetime flyfisherman
If you feel like it, visit http://biphome.spray.se/angler/ for info on
flyfishing in northern Sweden, Lapland

Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.
 

On 28 Oct 2003 02:19:17 GMT, "asadi"
wrote:

For us southerners....i.e. folks that far removed from the arctic circle,
the extended daylight could be a problem.

Around these parts, when it gets to dark see, you are usually done drinking
because you can't see anyhow.

How would one know when to put the cork in the jug? That far north at that
time of the year a fellow like me wouldn't get any sleep at all....could be
dangerous....

john ....I've always wanted to be buried next to a wooly mammoth...



John, my buddy, I've had this experience in the Canadian North --
it's otherworldly -- a man of your tremendous appetite for experience
would no doubt, enjoy the nuances of working out this conundrum in
person.

I solved it inadvertently by not bringing enough to drink. I'm sure
that other ROFFians here, including yourself, would make no such
mistake. I contented myself with coming off the water at midnight and
returning at 3 am -- it was too bright to sleep.

Peter

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"Vaughan Hurry" kirjoitti viestissä
...
The region I remember is Tulppio. I'd go back there in a heartbeat.

--riverman


Could be done. Jarmo? Osmo?

Vaughan et al.

Sounds good for me: But as Roger said, he is not going to be the
clavemaister!
My resources are also limited but I could try to help as much as possible.

Tulppio is place, where there are several rivers reachable as Myron
mentioned:
Nuorttijoki, Sotajoki, Tulppiojoki, etc.

What becomes to Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, for me such a low cost option
like #3 is good. I am ready to live in tent but a sauna at least twice
during the week
out there would be more than desireable! What you think about a tent sauna,
swimming
in a cool river and take beer, whisky?

OsmoJ

Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.
 

"The Leaping Frog" wrote in message
...
HA ha, i think I know where you mean by sand ridge country: Råstojaure?


Yep, with rivers Rostoueatnu, Tavvaeatnu, Harrejokk, Ghorvvejokk and
Ittejohka.

/Roger

Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.
 

"The Leaping Frog" wrote in message
...
Thanks Herman, I nearly felt like an old man saying that.

Does this make Herman an old man??

Jerome,

You won't experience "combat fishing" in any of these alternatives. There's
so much space in these locations that if you want you can fish in solitude
for a week.

I'm getting a sense that it's all about money. I know Osmo, Stefan, Herman
and "Charlie Choc" consider this to be an issue.
It is after all an issue, I would myself have to start putting aside money
right now, but it would be worth it though.

What can I say, nothing is for free but of course destinations like Miekak
cost more than others.
If comfort is an issue than the remote heli and tenting alternative is out.

I think Myron, and you, proposed a couple of days heli lift and the rest in
a camp. That could be done, only thing is that we would have to pick a cheap
camp since the heli lift is just as expensive if you're on a two day trip as
on a seven day trip.

/Roger

Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.
 

"asadi" wrote in message
...
For us southerners....i.e. folks that far removed from the arctic circle,
the extended daylight could be a problem.

Around these parts, when it gets to dark see, you are usually done
drinking
because you can't see anyhow.

How would one know when to put the cork in the jug? That far north at that
time of the year a fellow like me wouldn't get any sleep at all....could
be
dangerous....

john ....I've always wanted to be buried next to a wooly mammoth...

If we go to far north we would be hard pressed trying to bury you,
permafrost and all ;-)

I think Jerome aka "The leaping frog" once told me that on his first trip to
northern Sweden he forgot about sleeping and finally more or less collapsed.

My answer to your question regading alcohol consumption is:
Buy really expensive whiskey, that way you won't be able to drink all of it
yourself since we all will be helping you ;-) and hence the
overconsumption is but a theory.

/Roger

Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.
 

"Roger Ohlund" wrote in message
...
I think Myron, and you, proposed a couple of days heli lift and the rest
in
a camp. That could be done, only thing is that we would have to pick a
cheap
camp since the heli lift is just as expensive if you're on a two day trip
as
on a seven day trip.

/Roger


Yeah, if we did a 4-night heli-lift, then a 4-night camp stay, people could
choose the whole package (most expensive), the heli-lift only
(middle-price), or just the camp stay (least expensive). But I see your
point: 4 days heli-lift and 4 days camp stay is more expensive than 8 days
heli-lift alone. Hmm, if it had to be one or the other, I think I'd want to
do a heli-lift alone, as it would be more exotic, for sure. And a fly-in and
tents might actually be cheaper than staying at a lodge for a week. However,
won't that limit the amount of area we can fish? Do you know areas with
several accessible rivers on foot (and not on those damn slippery, tilting
rocks that we had last year!)

--riverman

Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.
 

"riverman" wrote in message
...

"Roger Ohlund" wrote in message
...
I think Myron, and you, proposed a couple of days heli lift and the rest
in
a camp. That could be done, only thing is that we would have to pick a
cheap
camp since the heli lift is just as expensive if you're on a two day
trip
as
on a seven day trip.

/Roger


Yeah, if we did a 4-night heli-lift, then a 4-night camp stay, people
could
choose the whole package (most expensive), the heli-lift only
(middle-price), or just the camp stay (least expensive). But I see your
point: 4 days heli-lift and 4 days camp stay is more expensive than 8 days
heli-lift alone. Hmm, if it had to be one or the other, I think I'd want
to
do a heli-lift alone, as it would be more exotic, for sure. And a fly-in
and
tents might actually be cheaper than staying at a lodge for a week.
However,
won't that limit the amount of area we can fish? Do you know areas with
several accessible rivers on foot (and not on those damn slippery, tilting
rocks that we had last year!)

--riverman



I know several such places, one of the best is the same river that we were
last year but high up the mountains. Another would be the area that Vaughan
suggested, Tavvaeatnu, Ghorvejokk and Ittejohka.
Add to this list most of the mountain waters found on the website that I put
together.

It seems to me that Miekak is more or less scratched from the list of
alternatives.
Either we go to Saxnas and each and every one has the choice of living
quarters after their own needs, or we choose the wilderness alternative and
several of the interested will stay at home.

Either way it seems both alternatives would be possible to do without long
way visitors needing to fix tents if they choose to live in such.

/Roger

Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.
 

"Roger Ohlund" kirjoitti viestissä
...

I think Jerome aka "The leaping frog" once told me that on his first trip
to
northern Sweden he forgot about sleeping and finally more or less
collapsed.


The saami people in northern Finland normally work or visit neighbors
at night at summertime, because there is light all the time and it is not so
hot and not so much of those blood sucking small friends around.

The need of the sleep is smaller also at summertime because of the light.
But at wintertime there is dark all the time. This is the time of the year
that
saami people hibernate like bears or take buse. If they open a bottle, they
normally loose the cork in the darkness and the contents of the bottle has
to be destroyed
totally because the botle can not be closed without a cork!

OsmoJ

Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.
 

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:56:26 +0100, "Roger Ohlund"
wrote:

I'm getting a sense that it's all about money. I know Osmo, Stefan, Herman
and "Charlie Choc" consider this to be an issue.
It is after all an issue, I would myself have to start putting aside money
right now, but it would be worth it though.

Roger, don't let me constrain your choices. The main reason I'd like
to keep the costs down is so I could (if the timing is right between
college schedules) bring my two younger sons along. My youngest was at
the Baltic clave, and already has met Myron, Jarmo and Herman.
--
Charlie...

Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.
 

Roger, Herman,

Actually the old man is myself if anything (not true at all, just getting
wiser from the top of my 33 years)! It would be a bit steep to make comments
about Herman that I do not even know.

To confuse you even more Roger with clavers comments, I would definitely not
write Miekak off. Because I have never caught a char and Miekak seems ideal
for that and also less marketed and less known than Tjuonajokk, it is very
tempting.

I have no issue with the money.
Coming back with my question about Tjuonajokk: how come it is not on your
list of options? My friend who went to both camps last year felt I would
enjoy Tjuonajokk more than Miekak?

Regards
Jerome
Roger Ohlund wrote in message
...

"The Leaping Frog" wrote in message
...
Thanks Herman, I nearly felt like an old man saying that.

Does this make Herman an old man??

Jerome,

You won't experience "combat fishing" in any of these alternatives.
There's
so much space in these locations that if you want you can fish in solitude
for a week.

I'm getting a sense that it's all about money. I know Osmo, Stefan, Herman
and "Charlie Choc" consider this to be an issue.
It is after all an issue, I would myself have to start putting aside money
right now, but it would be worth it though.

What can I say, nothing is for free but of course destinations like Miekak
cost more than others.
If comfort is an issue than the remote heli and tenting alternative is
out.

I think Myron, and you, proposed a couple of days heli lift and the rest
in
a camp. That could be done, only thing is that we would have to pick a
cheap
camp since the heli lift is just as expensive if you're on a two day trip
as
on a seven day trip.

/Roger

Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.
 

"The Leaping Frog" wrote in message
...


To confuse you even more Roger with clavers comments, I would definitely
not
write Miekak off. Because I have never caught a char and Miekak seems
ideal
for that and also less marketed and less known than Tjuonajokk, it is very
tempting.

I have no issue with the money.
Coming back with my question about Tjuonajokk: how come it is not on your
list of options? My friend who went to both camps last year felt I would
enjoy Tjuonajokk more than Miekak?

Jerome,

Well, I didn't put Tjuonajokk on the list because I've already caught
grayling of such size that most of you wouldn't beleive me if I told you
;-)

To be perfectly honest, as opposed to my first sentence in this response, it
is like this, Tjuonajokk does have trout and Arctic char in the area BUT the
grayling is very dominant and I for one would like to catch more trout and
char than grayling.

Writing off Miekak wouldn't mean that you won't be able to catch char
Jerome, it only means not doing it at Miekak.
As you saw from my trip reports about Ransaran the Saxnas area will provide
you with trophy Arctic char. To catch them is another issue completely ;-)
(AND I haven't completely written off Miekak)

I've started to write down thoughts that will help me decide where to go. In
any case I will try to make it a memorable clave in beatuiful surroundings
with plenty of fish. How's that for a starter?

/Roger

Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.
 

make it a memorable clave in beatuiful surroundings with plenty of fish.
How's that for a starter?
Well, sounds fantastic and that is exactly why I regularly - this morning
again- go and check rivers and TR on your web site! I feel I will probably
learn a lot from the clave menbers and that is part of the satisfaction from
me.

Ok, I understand for Tjuonajokk. I also get the impression that catching
fish over there is less of a challenge...and certainly less than catching
char by the look of your experience and other comments I read.

I have a number of friends who have shown interest in previous years in
going to Lapland. Can I assume there is no issue in spreading the word?

all the best
Jerome

Roger Ohlund wrote in message
...
"The Leaping Frog" wrote in message
...


To confuse you even more Roger with clavers comments, I would definitely
not
write Miekak off. Because I have never caught a char and Miekak seems
ideal
for that and also less marketed and less known than Tjuonajokk, it is
very
tempting.

I have no issue with the money.
Coming back with my question about Tjuonajokk: how come it is not on
your
list of options? My friend who went to both camps last year felt I would
enjoy Tjuonajokk more than Miekak?

Jerome,

Well, I didn't put Tjuonajokk on the list because I've already caught
grayling of such size that most of you wouldn't beleive me if I told you
;-)

To be perfectly honest, as opposed to my first sentence in this response,
it
is like this, Tjuonajokk does have trout and Arctic char in the area BUT
the
grayling is very dominant and I for one would like to catch more trout and
char than grayling.

Writing off Miekak wouldn't mean that you won't be able to catch char
Jerome, it only means not doing it at Miekak.
As you saw from my trip reports about Ransaran the Saxnas area will
provide
you with trophy Arctic char. To catch them is another issue completely
;-)
(AND I haven't completely written off Miekak)

I've started to write down thoughts that will help me decide where to go.
In
any case I will try to make it a memorable clave in beatuiful surroundings
with plenty of fish. How's that for a starter?

/Roger

Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.
 

"The Leaping Frog" wrote in message
...

Well, sounds fantastic and that is exactly why I regularly - this morning
again- go and check rivers and TR on your web site! I feel I will probably
learn a lot from the clave menbers and that is part of the satisfaction
from
me.

Ok, I understand for Tjuonajokk. I also get the impression that catching
fish over there is less of a challenge...and certainly less than catching
char by the look of your experience and other comments I read.

I have a number of friends who have shown interest in previous years in
going to Lapland. Can I assume there is no issue in spreading the word?


No issue for me. You might want to wait until it's decided where to hold the
clave though.

/Roger

Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.
 

"Roger Ohlund" wrote in message
...

"The Leaping Frog" wrote in message
...

Well, sounds fantastic and that is exactly why I regularly - this
morning
again- go and check rivers and TR on your web site! I feel I will
probably
learn a lot from the clave menbers and that is part of the satisfaction
from
me.

Ok, I understand for Tjuonajokk. I also get the impression that catching
fish over there is less of a challenge...and certainly less than
catching
char by the look of your experience and other comments I read.

I have a number of friends who have shown interest in previous years in
going to Lapland. Can I assume there is no issue in spreading the word?


No issue for me. You might want to wait until it's decided where to hold
the
clave though.


And be sure to tell the newbies that they have to bring the whiskey. Don't
want any shortages like last year!!

--riverman